Endgame Gear - OP1

Or OP1w 4k if wanting a wireless mouse. The regular (non 8k) wired OP1 versions are also good choices.

Endgame gear op1 nice small mouse with hotswap feature Razer cobra decent small mouse with optical switch

Op1 and dav3 best value, the haste core is not

Op1 is really good

All zowie wireless mice, op1 dark frost rgb / op18k v2 dark frost, razer cobra wired, deathadder V3 wired

Endgame gear op1 this mouse has a hotspot feature you can change the default switches into. A silent switch.

I have tried Logitech, razer, Endgame gear, zowie mice and my experience with Logitech the g102 prodigy it's rock solid no issues with the clicks and scroll wheel the rubber scroll wheel deteriorated. Razer the dav2 mini, rvm, Dav3 wired and cobra wired, I had to rma my rvm 7 times knowing it uses a shit encoder my last razer mice are the cobra and dav3 and the quality improved a lot. Endgame gear op1 and zowie are the same they're sturdy but I'll give zowie an upper hand because they use an optical scroll wheel encoder.

I have a more updated list here: * Incott Ghero Pro: Solid Mouse that feels like a GPX Ergo (or NP-01 Clone) and is extremely solidly build while staying price wise at 50$ * VGN Dragonfly F1: Solid orignial shape with a larger rear hump on the end that curves more inwards before coming out at the front, very safe shape at 46$ * ATK Blazing Sky F1: Shaped akin to a Sora V2 it's got a much larger rear hump with substantial curves as it comes into the front while going thinner towards it with lowered clicks. Is 38g and has a 3950 sensor but is usually a full 70$ * Darmoshark M3S: Solid Viper styled shape with those same bell curves, usually around 40$ * Zaopin Z2: Solid ergo light with a much smaller ergo feel yet still has a nice rounded bump and curve to it for the ergo feel at 50$ * Endgame Gear OP1 Wired: This is what a lot of mice are based on as EGG has some of the better mice on market in terms of quality and built and software. It's one of the best mice you can buy. It is wired but if you don't care about 4k or 8k it's perfectly fine at 45$ * VXE R1: Nearly identical to the Pulsar X2V2 it's got a super solid feel and the pro model has a better coating and overall well implemented sensor. Considered the king of the budgets it's 50$ for the Pro and as low as 20$ for not pro. * VXE Mad R: Identical to the mouse above in shape its another X2V2 clone perfect at 38g great for all grip styles, the Major verision has a 3950 sensor and is 45$ for normal, 63$ for Major, if you can grab this over the normal R1. * Incott HPC02M: is a X2 clone with supersolid build quality and the ability to swap the switches with ease. 55$ * PureTrak Valor: Clone of the GPX but with 3395 and USB-C that usually sells for sub 50$ * Incott G23: GPX clone with hotswappable switches at 50$ * Phlyina S450: HTS+ Clone with solid build quality and a really good mouse. They are working on a 38g version and have a 4k version around 40-50$ * Scyrox V8: Sora V2 clone at 38g with a 3950 built for claw, can be found for 70$ * Attack Shark R6: Another Sora V2 Clone with a 3950 built for claw, can be found for 50$. * ATK Blazing Sky X1: Viper V3 clone with 3950 and solid build quality right at the 70$ price range. * Incott G24: Zowie EC2 Clone that's hotswap and solid weight can be found for 70$ * Mchose L7: 38g with a shape somewhere between the Lamzu Atlantis and X2V2. It has flatter sides but still a larger rear curve to lock in slightly better than something like the Mad R while still feeling very premium. Basic model has 3395 for 45$ and pro is closer to 60$ for 3950. * Lethal LA-1: Basically a larger OP1. Same kind of curves but a larger overall feel, due to having some very small issues with the batch and to compete with budget mice it can now be found for 30$. * Razer Viper V3 Hyperspeed: While a bit heavier than most at 83g and using a AA battery, It still boasts a solid sensor and performance with a shape that people adore for 70$ * Scyrox V8 and V6: solid Sora clone and HTS+ clone both at around 40g with full 8k and solid internals. Very good overall and some of the best budget out there. 70$

Honestly, I would just go for a really light goated shape that's thin as 7.5 cm wide hands is skinny as hell... So you're wrist range of motion isn't limited. \- PMM OP1 - less than 35 g and expected release sometime this month in October \- HTS Ultra 8K - 29.5 g like Scyrox V6/HTS Plus but shorter \- HTX Ultra 8K - 32.1 g if you like Razer Viper Mini buy this one \- Crosshair Sabre V2 Pro - 36 g and only recommending because you can try it in Best Buy at the Crosshair display before you buy it

Not lighter but the shape u describe might work well with an endgame gear xm2/Op1

Fingertip can be pretty good when using the OP1. For my experience, it has been amazing, aside from my palm brushing up against the hump accidentally. I am going for the BeastX Mini due to the hump being more centered towards the mouse. I have small hands myself, and I am very excited to try to get it this Christmas

It’s a very good mouse, I just wish they added the front thumb button. I’m too used to having one…

Go to Microcenter and try a couple diff shapes out. Or look online and see what shapes other people like for their style. Claw / fingertip / palm. Check length of your hands you really care. I had a deathadder and just switched to ENDgame Op1. Feels amazing

OP1, XM1. There are rgb versions with a tad more weight if you want that at all, but since you're casually gaming then the base model is fine and you won't need 8k polling.

two different mice. look at the comma. [Op1](https://www.endgamegear.com/en-us/op1-series) [Xm1](https://www.endgamegear.com/en-us/xm1-series)

Harpe might be a better pick than the rest, OP1 is nice for the shape, my homie has the OP1we paired with the Hone Ace mousepad and holy fuck my wrist might get fucked 😂😂

This is a fun assignment, maybe EGG OP1 for claw and fortnite. Roccat Kone Pro for moba (not really). Rocket Jump Ninja mouse for fingertip.

Yes, you can't go wrong with the basic OP1 model.

You might like the OP1 series from Endgame gear, they're very narrow. Keep on gaming brother

I’m currently using a g203 wired mouse (big mistake), after 2-3 years it started to double click alot, and when I scroll it usually goes the opposite direction of what I want. It’s really unusable now so I’m looking for a better and more durable mouse that I can use for years, no double clicking, no scrolling problems, no need for any fancy stuff just a good durable mouse with 2 side buttons for gaming. My budget is around 50 bucks but if the mouse is worth it I can go for more. I’ve been looking around online and found the XM1r to be a pretty sturdy and reliable-looking mouse. But I really don’t know much about mouse so I’m looking forward to hear your suggestions.

Thank you. I’m definitely going with the op1 then since it’s really well praised by most people on this thread, I would love such a durable and quality mouse.

That is good to know, I mainly have an issue with my scroll wheel on my old mouse (it keeps scrolling the wrong way and the middle click works like 50% of the time) so I’m looking for a mouse that can work well for a long time, and alot of people showed me that the op1 is probably the best choice for my budget.

Yeah I’ve just taken a look at it and it seems very nice, this is probably the best one for my budget, might I ask what is the difference between the OP1 and OP1we version other than the wire, since it’s a 30 euro difference so I will probably go with the wired version if it’s the same.

I’m definitely going for the op1 then, I do not mind the wire and actually prefer them tbh. Everyone seem to really recommend it too so it’s probably a no-brainer atp. Thank you for your help.

Oh the scroll wheel is something I really must consider, since my current mouse cannot scroll correctly and clicking the mmb rarely works, it’s really annoying to use. I really hope it’s just a rare case and not a common occurrence. Thank you for the heads up.

I think I’ll go for the op1, Endgame Gear seems to really be reliable in terms of quality from what I’ve heard.

Thanks. I was considering the xm1 first but then people really love and recommend the op1 more, is it a newer mouse compared to xm1? Also I’m looking for a mouse that have good mouse buttons, and mainly a scroll wheel that won’t have any issues since my current mouse scroll is making it unusable (it keeps scrolling the wrong direction and clicking the mmb works only half the time). So for now it seems like op1 is the best fit for my budget.

Yeah guess it’s kinda steering me towards getting an op1 now, I didn’t really understand much about mouse back then but now I’ll probably avoid logitech mouse.

Around 50 dollars is the most comfortable range for me, but if the mouse is really worth it I can try 10 dollars more.

Yep definitely avoiding logitech mouse from now on, from the help I received from this thread, the best mouse for around 50 dollars is the op1 by Endgame Gear. I did some self research and their mouse are very durable and the quality is top notch, so this seems like the best choice if you wanna buy a new mouse.

Endgame gear got you covered. Eighter with the op1 , or the xm2we. I have the second and it's a tank.

Although it's true that mechanical switched develop double clicking, with modern mechanical switches it doesn't happen as quickly as with older mice (like the g203). If you want, the xm2we has optical switches, and doesn't cost more than the op1 8k.

The scroll wheel thingy it's probably the only flaw in some endgame gear mice, they don't use the bests ttc encoders (the thingy necessary for the scroll wheel to do scroll wheel things). As for the exit for the op2 V2, I have no idea for when it will come out, but endgame is not known for releasing stuff on time, so if you want to risk it, wait for the V2, or you can just get one other op1 now. The possibility of the scroll wheel dying again is rather low.

Razer Deathadder v3 hyperspeed is small, sleek, lightweight and all performance. no RGB. Others I’d recommend as others mentioned is Ninjutso Sora V2, Hitscan Hyperlight and Endgame OP1

I second the OP1

They do make a ton of mice like that. You need to look for mice that are specifically made for claw grip. Pulsar X2 or X2H is like that. Endgame gear OP1 or XM2 are also like that. Sora v1 , or Vaxee X Sora are also like that. I'm sure there plenty more that I can't think of from the top of my head. The hour glass gives your fingers better leverage to really handle the mouse but yea, if your hands are too big or small for the mouse, it can cause issues. I honestly would say the Logitech GPX has a very very subtle hour glass, that it will probably feel pretty flat on the sides for you, it's one of the safest first mice for a reason. Asus harpe ace if I remember correctly is also pretty flat on the sides, it's shaped like a Logitech GPX but just longer.

I highly recommend checking out Pulsar's options! There's the X2A which will give you 4 side buttons that are programmable. Their wireless options are also very good, without any blatant input lag. The cables are also way nicer than I've seen from Razer or Logitech, I had a Viper mini awhile back, but had to return it because it felt cheap and the cable was so stiff it'd push the mouse on its own. All of their mice have mini versions which have been perfect for my hands, which are pretty small. There's also the Coolermaster MM711, It's very small and comfy, and has a top of the line sensor for a pretty cheap price. Also if you can find it, the HK Gaming Mira S is nice, and it comes in some different colorways other than just the plain old black or white. Logitech and Razer have some nice offerings, but personally I'd avoid them. Logitech's offerings are genuinely good but their higher end options are crazy expensive compared to other brands. Razer has just always been overhyped in my experience. I've had half a dozen mice from them and each and every one has just been *okay* while being 2x the price of lesser-known brands that give you the same performance with higher quality plastics, and software that doesn't use up a bunch of background resources :/ Also honourable mention to endgame gear, the OP1 might be a nice fit for you, it's a smidge bigger than the Pulsar X2H mini -which is what I currently use- but it's still fairly small compared to most mice.

Anyone that is wanting a great mouse, I recommend Endgame Gear Op1 or Op1 8k (8k polling rate is overkill and requires alot alot of processing power) These mice are affordable on any budget, and the performance you get with them is as good or better than it's competitors. One could argue that it is better than it's competitors in every aspect.

try the endgame gear OP1, it is a really good small and light mouse for FPS games. The RGB version is still on sale on amazon for 35€ here in germany.

And add a dpi button on top!

Yeah, I really like the op1, broken several personal records with it, just can't play without that extra button on top, hard to find a wired mouse with recent sensor and that illusive extra button.

I have an 80he and the OP1 XM1. If you have small hands go with OP1 8k. Great mice if you like wired like me.  

Endgame Gear Mice with GX Safe mode will never double click.