Endgame Gear - OP1

Go to Microcenter and try a couple diff shapes out. Or look online and see what shapes other people like for their style. Claw / fingertip / palm. Check length of your hands you really care. I had a deathadder and just switched to ENDgame Op1. Feels amazing

OP, this. Out of all the small mice I've tried, the OP1 Shape is the one I've liked the most. It doesn't feel like a scaled down version of a larger mouse. The width of the mouse is great for smaller hands (I'm 17.5x10) and makes the mouse feel proportionate to its size. All my other mouse have been shelved and I haven't even had the urge to give any of them a spin since I got my OP1 8K.

OP, this. Out of all the small mice I've tried, the OP1 Shape is the one I've liked the most. It doesn't feel like a scaled down version of a larger mouse. The width of the mouse is great for smaller hands (I'm 17.5x10) and makes the mouse feel proportionate to its size. All my other mouse have been shelved and I haven't even had the urge to give any of them a spin since I got my OP1 8K.

Razer Deathadder v3 hyperspeed is small, sleek, lightweight and all performance. no RGB. Others I’d recommend as others mentioned is Ninjutso Sora V2, Hitscan Hyperlight and Endgame OP1

I have an 80he and the OP1 XM1. If you have small hands go with OP1 8k. Great mice if you like wired like me.  

I have an 80he and the OP1 XM1. If you have small hands go with OP1 8k. Great mice if you like wired like me.  

Xm2 8k or op1 8k depending on your hand size or grip preference. Get a bungee, the wire is chill.

OP1 8k's good for rough use, if you want wireless, then use VXE R1 pro

Recently got the OP1 8K and a brand new desk mat cant wait for them to get here moving on from a razer wireless mouse.

How would you not prefer wireless with amazing click latency? I tries the op1 8K and still hate cables lol.

Yeah, I think for medium to small hands the OP1 8K is a superior shape for FPS for most people. I think for a lot of people the wire is just in their head. Again, perhaps influencers have also played their part in shaping people's attitudes towards wires. It depends a bit on use case and sens though. It can also be nice to have a wireless mouse to make your desk look cleaner. But just when it comes to in-game performance, it shouldn't limit most people imo.

I also think it's arguably the best switch implementation. I am curious to see how sentiment will shift when the OP1w becomes available.

It's a bit over budget, but if you're into esport games like r6, cs, valorant then I'd vouch for the op1 8k. It's a wired mouse, but it has the apparently the best click latency of gaming mice currently, isn't heavy at 50 grams, and has 8k polling if you care. I hear the wire is also pretty unobtrusive too. $109 at pccg.

Yeah that's all in your head. I perform better with my OP1we than any mouse. I perform exactly the same with my OP1we as I do with my op1 8k, maybe even better because no cable. I'm actually going to return my 8k

It's only problem on razer's deathadder v3 pro and viper v2 pro and they probably fixed it in new versions. If you still have gwarannty you can do rma. If you want new mouse i reccomend you endgame gear xm2 8k or op1 8k if wired. If wireless there's many options, if you liked viper v2 pro i reccomend you viper v3 pro.

At 100$ the Sora V2 is the best for claw-focused grip. It has amazing build quality although there are reports of QC issues. For wired, the OP1 8K has the best latency, and is also good for claw as well as any fingertip-related grip.

Wired DAv3 got plenty of praise here and in different reviews. Great mouse, the shape is just too big and bulky. And of course the clicks aren't nearly as good (in general some can even prefer the opticals) as with OP1 8k. Performance wise of course the differences are small but OP1 8k is lower latency than even the wired DAv3 (which is great in itself don't get me wrong). "not just about the shape, otherwise everyone would be saying OP1we was endgame." Of course it's not only about the shape. It's the combination of top performance in a great shape with overall excellent build quality and clicks. OP1we had heavier weight and clicks that many disliked or at least didn't love. 

OP1 8K, by a landslide I don't care about the "it's wired" argument it's a top tier mouse and the best performance wise, built like a brick, and you know what makes it better? a clean and simple software that actually does the job without hogging a lot of resources more mice should be like that and I cannot wait for the XM2 8K. Edit: that's without considering the shape because that varies from person to person.

The non pro 500x500 Saturn is like $15 at LGG, which is a very solid value imo, which leaves a lot of budget for the mouse. Just looking at Endgame you could get an OP1 8k if you don't mind the wire or a XM2we if you do. Mice preference is mostly dictated by your specific grip style and hand size so you sort of have to narrow it down a bit. Scryox V8 is also a good budget option but a bit lower profile and narrower than what you might be expecting if you are coming from something like an ergo. I remember seeing GPX superlights (the original not v2) go as low as $80 at some places. Some people really like the GPX shape and at that price point it could make sense.

get op1 8k because you can repair anything pretty easily and build quality is great. probably don't get if you have over 11cm wide hands

I was deciding between the scyrox v8 and the op1 8k, and ended up getting the latter cuz Viscose and boardzy conviced me with their vids on it ngl, but im still curious if i made the wrong choice, tbh the wire doesnt bother much is just there and the clicks and quality and inmaculate, miles ahead of the scyrox v8 Imo.

I have both op1 8k and deathadder v3 , now using the op1 just because it's bit better for black ops 6. But it you are not into fps gaming , then deathadder v3 is fine. If you play cod warzone and you do lot of movement the smaller shape is gonna save more space for the mouse to move around. Also you need to upgrade the firmware of op1 8k if you buy it. If you have very large hands then but xm2

Ok for that grip don't buy op1 8k , it's too small. But deathadder v3 it's gonna feel fire. In my area it's really affordable on sales.

Bro 🤣🤣🤣, my deathadder v3 is cooked after almost 2.5 months of usage 🤣🤣🤣, the usb disconnects automatically. I had to clean install windows for a purpose. It's not a driver or razer software side issue. The physical cable got damaged , i use it to play call of duty black ops 6 🤣. A mouse lasting 2.5 years would be a dream to me. I got it on sale from Amazon, might be some shit unit. But i would suggest to buy something else. Don't buy op1 8k also. Just get some wireless mouse like VXE mad r major , i personally ordered atk f1 extreme. Time to go wireless finally. Fuck the wire. 👍😆😆🤣

Hello, I was in the same boat as you around 4 years ago. Wanted to keep it cheap, and did not care about rgb. I personally found that while keyboard is not insanely important. Mousepad, mouse, and monitor hz is the number 1 things preventing your skill in whatever fps game you play. I say if you invest in a solid mouse (ideally above $30) you can use that mouse for however many years you would like assuming you researched the truth of it. I gravitated towards the Glorious Model O 4 years ago, and just recently ordered the Op1 8k (easily one of the best mouse on the market). As for keyboard I am not familiar, I went ahead and purchased an easy mechanical keyboard. If I were to suggest, Op1 8k, but that is at $85.

Yeah you are right, vv3 got the 3950 sensor in it the op1 8k 3395 performance wise in games hard to tell but yeah performance wise op1 8k beats the vv3 simply because it’s a wired mouse

Op1 8k if you do not mind it being wired

Performance wise is has to go to the DAV3 Wired for big ergo and OP1 8k for small ambi. Otherwise the other commenter pointed out the top budget wireless mice.

Best symmetrical wireless mouse * OP1 8K is best symmetrical mouse in terms of performance.

What else is performance other than click and sensor latency? Shape is preference. Performance is objective and OP1 8k beats it in every measurement, I’m pretty sure.

Yeah there’s a lot more to a mouse than just sensor but OP1 8k has everything beat by a fair margin.

Op1 8k and Sora v2

Op1 8K is great but also kinda small for me but Xm2 8K would be in consideration if I was looking to buy a new mouse at the moment. I prefer wired simply because I don't have to worry about the battery and charging. It's always ready to go when I need it. Cable doesn't bother me because these higher end wired mice have great lightweight cables as well but still some people hate it and for them a bungee is always an option.

OP1 8k or op1 w 4k have similar shape to scyrox v8 and are great quality mice

If you are looking for a wired mouse, EndgameGear has some great options. Since you have smaller hands, the OP1 8K is worth checking out. If you are looking for pure value, definitely go for a chinese mouse (VXE R1 lineup, VXE Mad R lineup, ATK F1 lineup, Scyrox V6/V8).

Like many of you I’ve seen many posts all the time asking about what the best mouse under 50$ or 60$ or whatever, lots of them asking about finding a solid mouse for cheap. I’ve become someone who has more knowledge than I should ever need on solid mice sub 65$ so I figured I’d put together a list of very solid mice at a low price! I’ve broken them up into a two categories of mice as there’s a lot of them that try to aim for the exact same shape as some others and are clones. Most all shapes from China are like exactly the same as others and do not usually make their own. Some brands do, most do not, and to go farther even to say original shapes I’m gonna say like…originalish cause that’s more accurate. I’m also adding what grip type each mouse is best for but this is honestly subjective to a bit. These are mostly recommendations as far as grips go as realistically you could do whatever grip suits you best on any mouse if your hands are big/small enough and that’s not entirely a thing i can take into account. If the mouse is wired then I have added that as well as most are wireless.  *Disclaimer, most of these are cheap chinese mice. It’s kind of a dice roll if the QC will be good or not, some have particularly good QC and i’ll mention those are they come up* **ORIGINAL SHAPES(ish):** * Incott Ghero Pro A very solid ergo mouse that is called GPX Ergo (or NP-01(S) clone) by many and is extremely solid built quality wise while also being extremely affordable. (Claw/Palm) **#** * Incott HPC01M is a more traditional mouse that’s designed for all grip types and is also extremely easily hot swappable to try different switches out with. It’s super solid built wise and works for many grips (All) * ATK F1 is a more traditional shape meaning it’s got a larger hump on the end and curves in the back out towards the front, the brand is known for being fairly solid QC wise and the mouse is very lightweight at 38g. (All) * MCHOSE G3 Is an egg shape that’s overall larger. It’s more akin to the G303 if it wasn’t quite as angled and it’s butt was smaller. At the time of this post it’s fairly new but overall the Mchose brand makes some solid mice. (All) * VGN Dragonfly F1 is more of an original shape with a larger rear hump and shorter front end, that is overall a fairly solid shape akin to the style of a viper mouse. Known for having excellent quality control. (Claw/Ftip) **#** * Ajazz AJ159 is a solidly built more original shape that is akin to the Dragonfly style of a larger rear hump that curves in. (Claw)  * Darmoshark M3 is a fairly solid original shape and has very solid QC while being very good for a lot of grip styles (All) **#** * Darmoshark M3S is a smaller version of the M3 and is again very good quality and a very good overall style and feel. (Claw/Ftip) **#** * Keychron M1 is a very solid mouse with a solid original shape. It’s along the same style as a viper in terms of shape but is original overall and has very good QC as do all their mice with a lower overall profile (All) **#** * Keychron M2 is their ergo mouse that is extremely solid with a good shape that’s more original and thinner towards the front than most. A lot of Ergos do not try to be like this. It also has a mini shape as well.(Claw/Ftip) **#** * Keychron M3 is their more clad dedicated ergonomics where it’s a larger rear  and goes thinner. Due to this it’s not as good for all grip styles but is excellent for claw style. (Claw) **#** * Keychron M4 is a pure fingertip grip style. For it’s price it’s kinda wild to find a dedicated fingertip grip mouse this cheap however it’s curves are not to everyone's preferences (Ftip ONLY)  * Keychron M7 is a G502 styled mouse that is also extremely good quality but a more original shape like their others. (Claw/Palm)  * Delux M900 is an ergo original shape but close to a Deathadder shape and is fairly decent in terms of feel. (Claw/Palm) * Zaopin Z2 is an ergo with a more asymmetrical shape at it's core, with a solid shape and very solid built quality (Claw/Palm)  **#** * Darmoshark N5 is a newer very solidly built Ergo mouse that is a more original style with a harsher curve into the front from the more ergo side (Claw/Palm)  * Zowie EC2 (Wired) Most people don’t consider that Zowie mice are like under 50$ USD for the wired versions. The EC2 is what \*most\* ergo mice are based on and are very solidly build, arguably some of the better built mice out there and are beloved by many for it. (Claw/Palm) **#** * Zowie FK1/ZA11/S1 (Wired) are all  original claw styled mice that is meant to be gripped in a traditional claw shape and are what a lot of other mice ended up based on as well but you could use anything if you wanted. (All) **#** * End Game Gear OP1 Wired (Wired) This is what a lot of mice are based on as EGG has some of the better mice on market in terms of quality and built and software. It's one of the best mice you can buy. (Claw) **#** * Redragon G49/M916 is a more traditional Sora/Atlantis shape style with questionable QC (Claw/Ftip) * LTC GM022/Valkyrie M1 is a stretched Xtrfy M8 with not great click quality (Claw/Ftip) * Dareu A950 Pro a blend of GPX and a Finalmouse Hourglass shape (subtle hourglass), has decent QC but the magneisum version is not as good on clicks (All) * UHURU WM09 is a very safe shaped ambi mouse that works for most all grip styles but mostly more palm and fingertip as it's not got a ton of curves (Palm/Ftip) * Projects Gaming Sleeper is another safe rounded ambi shape which is often 20$ or less (All) * AULA SC680 is a mixture of GPX and Waizowl Cloud meaning it's a GPX with a little more curves to it. (Claw/Ftip) * Fantech Aria XD7 is a larger EGG chaped mouse overall that is much like the Orochi and Zaopin Z1 (All) * Taidu TSG808 is a safe ambi shape with a larger rear and solid sensor (Claw) * Taidu TSG608 Max is an ergo/ambi style much like the Incott Ghero and is solid for multiple grips (All) * Kysona M511/ Carpo V903 is a solid ergo shape that is much like the Darmoshark N5 and is closer to a traditional Zowie styled ergo shape (Palm/Claw) * Rapoo VT9 is a fairly safe traiditional curved mouse with seemingly heavy curves in, bit of an odd shape (Claw?) * Rapoo VT1 seems to be a GPX with some harsher curves making it more suited for claw grip (Claw) * GITOPER G2 a small but extremely curved Atlantis styled mouse with questionable QC (Claw) * UtechSmart Venus Pro is an MMO ergo mouse, one of the very few MMO mice i've seen for cheap (Claw/Palm) * ATK Z1 is a new ergo shape from ATK, very similar to other ergos but original enough. (Claw/Palm) * Attack Shark R6 is a more original shape from Attack Shark that is a larger rear hump that thins out as it goes forward, the feel is like stuff like the Sora and is at 39g with 8k (Claw/Ftip) * MCHOSE L7 is an original feeling shape that fits somewhere between the X2V2 and the Atlantis Mini, come more curves than the pure flatness of the X2, but still very capable for most grip styles. A little smaller but very well built with 8k (All) **CLONES:** * VXE R1 It’s a very solid mouse that is a near identical X2 style clone. It’s got a little bit less in terms of curves inside so it’s actually a narrower, flat shape, but overall very solid. The pro model has a much better coating and implementation of it’s sensor as well and is generally worth the amount more it costs. It’s extremely well built QC wise. (Claw/Ftip) **#** * Incott HPC02 is a hotswappable X2 which is fairly high quality and allows you to try multiple different switches easily (All) **#** * Attack Shark X6 is another X2 clone that is fairly solid but has mixed quality control (Claw/Ftip) * Ajazz AJ219 Is a X2 clone as well with slightly more curves alone the backside. Widely considered to be the Attack Shark X6 but worse. (Claw/Ftip)\* ATK X1 Is a pretty much exact clone of the Razer Viper V3 Pro Clone. It’s got worse side buttons as Razers tend to be fantastic but it’s still overall just an exact same shape and feel, albeit with no coating. (All) * Attack Shark X3 has a solid shape like a smaller G Pro Superlight (GPX) and fairly solid feel that comes in 1k or 4k, there’s quite a few mice like this so i’ll put them all in a row one after another. (All) * Attack Shark X11 is a Viper V3 clone but with a worse sensor (3311) which has bad skates and a texture but with grip tape and new skates is alright if you wanna test the shape (All) * Kysona M600 is pretty much the same as the Attack Shark X3 with a slightly better build quality. (All) * Machose A5 is much the same, a smaller GPX but more of an exact GPX shape. (All) * Ajazz AJ199 Is again a smaller GPX shape. (All) * Ajazz AJ139 Is also a GPX shape if you can believe it (All) * Zaopin Z1 Pro is a traditional egg shape (like the food not End Game Gear). It’s great for fingertip or a weird claw but is fairly small for an Egg shape. If you like the Orochi it’s nearly identical. (Claw/Ftip) * Puretrak Valor is literally just a superlight. However it’s like a third the price of a superlight with a 3395 sensor. This mouse is technically 120$ Since i first saw it a year ago it’s been on sale for 35$ on their website. If it’s always on sale it’s never on sale. (All) **#** * Incott G23 is a very solid built mouse with a near identical shape to the GPX while also having hot swappable switches if you wanna try out some different feeling clicks (All) # * Delux M800 Is a near exact clone of the Viper V2 and is fairly solidly built. (All) * Delux M600 Is a near exact clone of the Viper Mini and is also fairly solidly built. (Claw/Ftip) * Phlyina S450 is a HTS+ clone that's arguably extremely good on QC and makes a normally hundred dollar mouse down to like a fourth the price. To go farther than that they are working on a 38g 8k version of it and already have a 4k one. It’s one of the best built mice on this list. (Claw/Ftip) **#** * Keychron M6 Is a MX Master clone but weighs less and has a gaming mouse modern sensor. (Claw/Palm) **#** * Attackshark R1/Metapanda01 both mice use the exact same shell and are the exact same shape. They are both slightly smaller Deathadder V3s and the differences is the sensor, the R1 uses a worse sensor that above 1,000 dpi has very bad issues, but below is actually pretty much fine and will be mostly fine for everyone. (Palm/Claw) * Ajazz AJ199 Pro Is the same shape and style as the one above but a solid ergo (Palm/Claw) * Monka M3 is a solid Sora V2 Clone great for specifically claw grip (Claw mainly) * HELLO GANSS FLX3 is a solid ergonoimic Thorn Clone (Palm/Claw) * Vancer Gretxa is a finalmouse clone with an older sensor but overall i've heard good things about it (All) * Ajazz Aj099 is Zowie S2 clone meaning it's got a real fat rear and is great for claw with an older sensor (3311) (Claw mainly) * Ajazz AJ179 is a Outset AX clone which is fairly solid and new so reviews still need to release more (Claw/Palm) * RAWM SA-MH01 is a Viper V3 styled clone with hot swap switches for ease of trying multiple others to find what you like (All) * RAWM SA-ML01 is a Viper V2 styled clone with hot swap switches for ease of trying multiple others to find what you like (All but claw more) * RAWM SA-SL01 is a Viper Mini styled clone with hot swap switches for ease of trying multiple others to find what you like (Claw/Ftip) (see what i did there?) * Fantech Helios XD5 GO is a IE3.0 Micro styled shape which is somewhat of an hourglass traditional shape with a slightly older sensor and bad battery life (All) * Fantech Helios II XD3 is a S2 clone meaning it's a more traditional styled shape with an hourglass with a larger backend, mainly great for claw grip (Claw Mainly) * Edifier Hecate G3M is a hotswappable HTS clone which is a fairly solid and well enjoyed shape while allowing you to test multiple other mice switches (All) * iRocks M31R is a Darmoshark N3 clone which is a solid original shape (and also on this list in the original listing) (All) * iRocks HE3 is a viper mini styled mouse with a replaceable battery but not much else but does come in 4k for cheap (All) * Incott G24 is a EC2 and hotswappable meaning it's a really solid ergo mouse with hotswap which Incott is known for (Palm/Claw) **#** * VXE MAD R is a Z2V2 clone Super lightweight at 37g with a shape made for any shape. (any) **#** * ATK X1 is a Viper V3 Pro clone with a solid build. It's the same company as VXE and is solid build. * Scyrox V8 has its parent company from Lamzu but is a SORA V2 clone and is the same shape and weight. Very high quality build and very solid mouse. **#** Most of these mice use the 3395 sensor and are wireless and are all sub 60$ on Aliexpress or other websites.  You may be asking now "wow that's a lot of mice! how do I pick one for me?" or "What's the best mouse here overall?" and i'll tell you how to decide that for yourself. It entirely comes down to your handsize and grip style. There is no endgame best mouse for everyone. Everyone has a different grip style and hand size. Grip styles also change. I was using a X2V2 Mini before I just decided to try a Dav3 Pro randomly and ended up loving it and now main that which is the hardest reversal of grips and mouse you could just about do. I tried to mention based on a more medium hand size the different grip styles for each mouse. Figure out what you like and prefer and then aim for a mouse like that. A good thing you could do is get something like the Attack Shark X3 which is solid for as low as 12$ at times and use that to figure out what your proper grip style is then look more into the best mice in the grip style you prefer to find the right one for you. There’s plenty of other mice on the way or coming out soon as the cheap chinese mice market is going kinda wild with how many keep getting released and are just upcoming. Rapoo VT3 i just heard about today and the Incott G24 larger traditional Ergo is still on the way. I plan to be updating this list as it goes and would take feedback on it if you have any! *# on the mouse meant I heavily recommend it.* Edit: Added more mice based on suggestions for numerous people but u/manpalanges gets extra credit for making a very large list!

XE S is one of my current favorites. In fact, I specifically bought it since it shared a similar profile as Cloud XS. I switch between it and OP1 8K.

Anyone that is wanting a great mouse, I recommend Endgame Gear Op1 or Op1 8k (8k polling rate is overkill and requires alot alot of processing power) These mice are affordable on any budget, and the performance you get with them is as good or better than it's competitors. One could argue that it is better than it's competitors in every aspect.

Anyone that is wanting a great mouse, I recommend Endgame Gear Op1 or Op1 8k (8k polling rate is overkill and requires alot alot of processing power) These mice are affordable on any budget, and the performance you get with them is as good or better than it's competitors. One could argue that it is better than it's competitors in every aspect.

I personally don’t mind wired. Prefer my op1 8k over most wireless mice. BUT, I also have wireless mice and have happily used them the last 6 years. There’s really no reason to go wired unless you enjoy a shape. And even then most wired mice also have a wireless version.

Endgame gear op1 nice small mouse with hotswap feature Razer cobra decent small mouse with optical switch

Op1 and dav3 best value, the haste core is not

Not good if you're getting their wired mice chances are you'll encounter a bad qc, for wired mice I recommend zowie, vaxee and endgame gear

Op1 is really good

Razer cobra, egg op1 or some zowie c gen mice if you don't mind wired mice it will be an upgrade to your current mouse

Fingertip can be pretty good when using the OP1. For my experience, it has been amazing, aside from my palm brushing up against the hump accidentally. I am going for the BeastX Mini due to the hump being more centered towards the mouse. I have small hands myself, and I am very excited to try to get it this Christmas

It’s a very good mouse, I just wish they added the front thumb button. I’m too used to having one…

Harpe might be a better pick than the rest, OP1 is nice for the shape, my homie has the OP1we paired with the Hone Ace mousepad and holy fuck my wrist might get fucked 😂😂

This is a fun assignment, maybe EGG OP1 for claw and fortnite. Roccat Kone Pro for moba (not really). Rocket Jump Ninja mouse for fingertip.

Yes, you can't go wrong with the basic OP1 model.

I second the OP1