Endgame Gear - OP1 8k

Viper v2pro v3pro.(V2 best shape, V3 "safe" shape) *best sensor imo/from experience, no debounce delay* Super light 2. *Good sensor and no debounce delay.* Op1 8k (cable) or wireless 4k. *Fastest clicks, it registers the click before you hear the click sound. Good sensor.* My favorite of them all, G-wolf HTR 8k pro. Tiny mouse At 26g, I'm 6'4 and can use this little thing without any issues. But I would recommend the Endgame gear OP1 8k, Great shape, great coating for grip even with sweaty hands, fastest clicks of any mouse due to their own switches and good sensor. Light weight software (*no install*). Good price.

Viper v2pro v3pro.(V2 best shape, V3 "safe" shape) *best sensor imo/from experience, no debounce delay* Super light 2. *Good sensor and no debounce delay.* Op1 8k (cable) or wireless 4k. *Fastest clicks, it registers the click before you hear the click sound. Good sensor.* My favorite of them all, G-wolf HTR 8k pro. Tiny mouse At 26g, I'm 6'4 and can use this little thing without any issues. But I would recommend the Endgame gear OP1 8k, Great shape, great coating for grip even with sweaty hands, fastest clicks of any mouse due to their own switches and good sensor. Light weight software (*no install*). Good price.

So weird enough I had the same issue because i palm grip. Struth’s clawmates literally fixed that issue for me and now my OP18k won’t leave my desk. This is just an FYI if u still have the mouse and want to try to use it different.

Sure, so struth’s clawmate is on its own separate website and not Amazon I believe. They ship everywhere. Search up struth gaming clawmates. I attach them to the front right side of my OP1 to give my ring and pinky fingers something to hold in relaxed palm grip

Great question, right now I alternate between the op1 8k, and a used pwnage stormbreaker I just got from Reddit. I have pretty small hands and palm grip so there’s very very few mice I can really comfortably use.

Super disappointed with the switches. They are pretty stiff for nowadays standards, much stiffer than the Zowie U2 for example which are in the middle range. To me this is the biggest downside of the mouse for me. Quite unfortunate that’s the lightest switches Endgame offers, did anybody swap them with non official ones that feels lighter to activate ?

Light compared to what? Compared to the last 20 mice I got over the last 3 years they are not falling under the light category at all to me, at least for mechanical switches. An example of a light and spammable switch would be the Vaxee XE for example

That’s exactly how I like my clicks, the less actuation force is needed, the better

Right! I am not a fan of optical switches at the moment but I’m confident brands will improve them significantly over the years

my Xm2we has 3370 and i cant use that mouse because It feels inaccurate compared to my viper v2 and op1 8k which have the 3950 and 3395

Based on what? I hit better shots with my endgame Gear OP18K than when I was with the deathadder v3

Same hand size, used the op18k, BeastX, Lamzu Thorn and Scyrox V8. Out of all of them the Scyrox V8 feels the most comfortable. But my grip tends to be palm / relaxed claw so your experience may vary.

as someone w tiny hands (16.5-17) it just border on too long for claw but very usable if okay with having wrist off pad or stiff clicks

get the purple if u want to save money since u dont need the new pcb + lighter binned switches

Look into an Op18k, most people here will moan and cry about it being wired, it has the lowest click latency out of any mouse. and i guarantee you it will last longer then most the suggestions put into the comments on this post.

Pwnage Stormbreaker for me. I don’t have Carpel Tunnel but I do have repetitive strain flare ups in my wrists and hands now and then. It’s the most comfortable mouse I’ve tried and I get the least fatigue with it compared to my other mice due to ergo shape and low weight. FYI I have used the OG superlight, Deathadder V3 Pro, Finalmouse ULX, and Endgame Gear OP18k. Hope you find the shape that lets you game comfortably!

I found the side buttons tired out my thumb really fast and returned it. Great mouse otherwise.

I mean you could argue that coating and maybe build quality in general are points which you could take into account when deciding which mouse got the best performance. However even at those points the OP1K 8k is just amazing.

I am in the same boat I bought the endgamegear Op1 8k but it's too small for my hand. Now I can't decide between the xm2 / Viper v3 pro / Lamzu Maya fnc x 8k? 

Loving my OP1 8k. Annoyed that my pc (5800x3d 6800xt 32gb ram) can’t handle anything over 2k polling so I feel like I should’ve gone with the OP1 or OP1we but I’ve heard the clicks suck. Super happy with the mouse overall, love the shape with grips installed. Middle mouse started double clicking recently (2 weeks old) but updated the firmware and put the middle button multi click filter at 20… seems to be fine now

DAV3 wired is a spectacular mouse, I just got my op1 8K, and honestly, its literally just shape preference. Used the v3 for a little over a year now. Both are pretty much top of the line as far as latency and accuracy, and both are going to be spectacular mice for years to come. I love the op1 for claw and when I'm being a sweaty shooter gamer, I love the DAV3 for general tasks and less intense stuff. Both are pretty much end game mice if you can handle a wire (just use a bungee lol)

Hello all my mouse lovers and enthusiasts. Today is a very special day. I have been so excited to finally use the Endgame Gear Op1 8k Purple Frost edition and after a good days worth of gaming here is my review. TL;DR: This is hands down the best mouse on the market. Look past the wire and you literally have yourself a mouse worthy being called an "ENDGAME" mouse. The switches are soft yet crispy. The coating is smooth, but not slippery. The shape is the most "locked in" shape out there. Has the new PAW3950 sensor. The 8k polling feels night and day compared to any other mouse on the market. You get all this for only $90. Also easy to use and understand software which allows you to lower the click latency. 51g btw. FULL REVIEW: SHAPE - The shape is truly what shocked me. As we all know, at the end of the day a mouse can have all these bells and whistles but if the shape is uncomfortable then it's not for you. This shape is for me. My hand is 19cm×10cm. My grip style is a hybrid between palm and a relaxed claw. The "locked in" feel I get from holding this mouse is right there with the Razer Viper V3 Pro. COATING - The coating is the best I've ever felt. It's nice and smooth but not slippery. I never find my skin slipping off the mouse at all. I will mention I do have naturally clammy hands so if you have dry hands maybe your experience will differ. WEIGHT - Not much to say here. It's only 51g. I use a bungee for the wire and it basically feels wireless. I will say I have a high sens so I rarely ever swing my mouse side to side on my mousepad. SENSOR - Before I started using this Op1 8k Purple Frost, I thought the Logitech G PRO X SUPERLIGHT 2 and the Razer Viper V3 Pro had the best sensors on the mouse market. I was wrong. The PAW3950 sensor on this mous feels so much better on my 360hz monitor. It gets even better as I use higher polling rates. The 8k polling rate is so f*cking smooth. Now in all honesty, I won't be using it at 8k unless I'm playing VALORANT. I'll be using it at 2k polling rate. I just never knew the difference between a top tier wireless sensor compared to a top tier wired sensor could be so night and day. SCROLL WHEEL - It does the job. It's a little small for my liking but it still works fine. The only time I'm ever using my scroll wheel is when I'm playing Fortnite picking up items so it doesn't really matter to me. SIDE BUTTONS - Wow these side buttons are crisp. No post or pre-travel whatsoever. This to me is very important because I use my side buttons to edit and reset edits on Fortnite. So I need to be able to really FEEL that click on a moments notice. PRICE - It's $90 on Amazon. Honestly with this being the best mouse on the market (especially spec wise) this is a STEAL. I paid $200 for my Japanese imported Razer Viper V3 Pro Gengar Edition, $160 for my Logitech G pro x superlight 2, and $140 on my Fnatic Maya X 8k. All of those mice are NOTHING compared to the Endgame Gear Op1 8k Purple Frost edition. SOFTWARE - You can find the software download on Endgame Gear's website. *NOTE: the Purple Frost edition has a complete different download than the regular Op1 8k. Probably because of the updated sensor.* BATTERY LIFE - It's wired. So basically infinite as long as you don't have anything sharp next to your wire. CONCLUSION - I love this mouse. The only other wired mouse I've been using here and there was the Razer Deathadder V3 and I only used to to play casual games and edit videos. This one will be different. The Endgame Gear Op1 8k Purple Frost edition WILL be my main for the foreseeable future. Yes I will still have my mouse rotation, but when it comes to playing ranked VALORANT or ranked Fortnite I will be using this mouse. I understand if you're someone who won't switch to wired. I get it. I was scared as well. But I'm so happy I opened up my options to wired as well still using wireless mice. I want to also say I own or have used most of the best mice on the market. So me saying this is THE BEST mouse I've ever used really holds a lot of weight. At least to me it does. If you've read all the way till the end, thank you. I really wanted to show my love for this mouse to all of you. I don't have any friends who are mouse enthusiast like me so this Reddit being here is awesome. I get to express my love for mice to everyone. If you have any other questions about the mouse, let me know in the comments. Have a great day.

I just realized I forgot to talk about the main switches in my full review. Just know they're very easy to click, and they feel crispy. The mouse has Kailh GX Switches if any of you are wondering. This mouse had the LOWEST latency on the market once you go on the software and turn on speed GX mode.

endgame gear op1 8k because of its weight and repairability. You can get new sliders on it, open it with 2 screws, change the switches if you want to, change the cable and have easy portable software to control it all. [Endgame Gear OP1 8k Review - RTINGS.com](https://www.rtings.com/mouse/reviews/endgame-gear/op1-8k)

Honestly, for wired mice nowadays, the absolute best you can get are the OP1 8k and the XM2 8k. The Razer Deathadder v3 is pretty good too I've heard, but it depends on your preferred grip and your hand size though.

The op1 8k? Mine were pretty light but I'm returning mine because I like wireless more

Maybe I'll try it for shits, I just wish it wasn't clear purple. Looks like I can get it on Amazon so I'll return it if I don't like it

Yeah that's all in your head. I perform better with my OP1we than any mouse. I perform exactly the same with my OP1we as I do with my op1 8k, maybe even better because no cable. I'm actually going to return my 8k

Honestly, op1 8k if you mod the cable might be the best thing there is right now. Edit: https://youtu.be/ckqY5sRFMKw?si=RRgJDaXm2yicTrl2 I personally use the scyrox v8 cause the shape is quite similar, it’s wireless, sub-40g and has 4K polling, have a look at that

If you're willing to go outside of your comfort zone with a different brand I'd try the OP1 8k from endgame gear, even though it's wired it's seriously an amazing mouse. But if you're trying to stick with those brands then for Logitech I'd go with a superlight, even the first generation still holds up well today. And for Razer I love the Deathadder v3 as I grew up with that shape, but if you want a symmetrical mouse then a Viper V3

The answer you're looking for is the Endgame Gear OP18K https://youtu.be/JUadU6eS_HQ?si=5IvHUL_91d25S0hY

My vote would be Razer Cobra, it improved on some of the small issues with Viper Mini (added skate around sensor and fixed the wheel), its light and the click latency is still superb. It is a top level tournaments capable mouse. My main qualm with it is not optimal comfort for my liking, however there is nothing which I would feel is interfering with my movements, which actually was one of the reasons I returned Endgame Gear OP1 8k and G303 Shroud Edition, it is a highly subjective though. The objective downside is the not so good Razer software and Cobra doesn't save settings, so if there is something you specifically want from the software, you will need to keep it running in the background/RAM. Also for hard pads users Razer's skates aren't the best.

I totally didn't realize you had the op1we that's my bad You might actually be cooked. I don't think those clicks are savable. You should get the op18k though - that mouse is what I was talking about and is goated.

I've spent more time on this mouse than my previous main (Sora 4K v1). I miss the wireless aspect, but just in a nice-to-have capacity. It absolutely does not hamper any performance the mouse has.

So, no BS, but I followed this guide for optimization for CS2, and I can run my OP1 with 8K polling at over 200 FPS in calmer situations and over 150 FPS during hairier ones, with a 9700K and a 3080Ti. As with all things PC optimization, standard disclaimer of course, read up on what each step intends to do, yadda yadda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZwFu9RnicY The video even lists some "proof" of the optimizer's credibility, if that persuades you at all.

Was looking forward to it.. but unfortunately, the mouse is way too small and narrow for me. I hope they release a bigger variation next time. I suggest everyone tries a demo unit if possible, shape and size fit is everything, despite the wonderful performance specifications it boasts.

Game: EFT Mouse: Op18k Skates: Obsidian dots Mousepad: Hayate Otsu Soft XL Keyboard: Custom Wooting60 IEM: HyperX Cloud2 Monitor: XL2546K

Wanted to love it but it's just too small for me. Used it for about an hour and now it sits collecting dust. At least it wasn't as costly as finding out the Stormbreaker didn't fit me either.

I should but I'm indecisive procrastinate until it's too late. Normally end up passing stuff like that on to friends or family. Wasn't sure about Pwnage's return policy either... Got the OP1 8K from amazon so that would probably be straightforward.

It wasn't even close though. I like my ergos small, but my favorite symmetrical size/shape so far has been the Viper V2 Pro. The OP1 isn't tall enough or wide enough for my grip.

People that recommend the Viper Mini either havent tried it themselves or dont know better, that cable is stiff, thick so its not even compatible with mouse bungees I wouldn't subject a friend to that. The minimum I'd pay for a wired mouse with an actually good cable is around 2k for the Wired Razer and Pulsar options (Razer Deathadder V3 and Pulsar X2/X2H/Xlite Wired) and max at 3k-4k for the 8k options from Endgame Gear with good wired cables as well (OP1 8k and XM2 8k) at 1k the only reasonable option is VXE R1, whatever version you can get (avoid pro max, switches suck)

Better sensor

Used this mouse for many days now, it fits my hand much better than the GPX 2. I’m glad the shape fits me :)

It’s 3950 instead of 3395.

Ec series, da v3 pro, I was getting hand cramps with an op18k but thought if I had a wide mouse it's feel a lot better so bought xm2we and it's more comfy than the DeathAdder v2 for me even being symmetrical.

Ordered one when it was on sale, gotta wait like 2 weeks tho.

This right here guys is the peak of wired gaming mouse. Can't get any better than this. OP1 8K down in the history books

op18k with a lethal cable mod and any feet you like

best wired you can get are op18k and xm28k

no idea why youre locked in to those 2 brands. endgame gear makes the op1 8k and the xm2 8k, both are symmetrical and the wired versions come in under $90. aside from initial setup you can get rid of the software too because it saves to the mouse. also you wont notice the wire, its that good. as others have mentioned the deathadder also comes in a wired version under $80, but it isnt symmetrical

Your in for a never ending rabbit hole. I personally recommend the Endgame Gear OP1 8k because I really enjoy it and it could last basically indefinitely as long as you take care of it.

there’s good Chinese brands out there I have a ATK F1 Extreme Blazing Sky (Leviatan edition) and Endgame OP1 8k and I’m loving em. those brands have better QC

Got it yesterday. If my main game wasnt cs2 I would keep it. Coming from a gpx2 I feel like you loose stability for maneuverability. I imagine it being great for games like apex where you aim all over the place but for cs2 where aiming is heavily horizontally focused I didn't like it that much.

My current main coming from the wired Cobra. Although I slightly prefer the hump placement on the Cobra, the OP1 8k was a nice little upgrade. Slightly lighter, better sensor, cable, feet, click feel and scroll wheel (hopefully no encoder issues in the long run) and no effing synapse running in the background!

I've had that happen to the cobra and two viper minis... OP1's scroll has been solid so far.

ergo g403 shape for those games, 30 recent mice i got i interchanged them with aim trainers and i get the best scores with certain scenarios on certain mice, mm711, op18k xm28k and g403 i was best with but g403 for tac was immo3 with that one. im just getting the terra pro and calling it a day

I’ve used several mice in the past 6 months and this one has become my main one.

OP1 8k or op1 w 4k have similar shape to scyrox v8 and are great quality mice

I was comparing the Scyrox to the OP18K as they have a similar shape. The back bump on the Scyrox is a little taller for sure. But I haven’t tried the Sora so I couldn’t speak on the shape of that mouse.

Endgame gear op1 nice small mouse with hotswap feature Razer cobra decent small mouse with optical switch

Endgame gear their 8k models have a basic software

Op1 and dav3 best value, the haste core is not

Not good if you're getting their wired mice chances are you'll encounter a bad qc, for wired mice I recommend zowie, vaxee and endgame gear

wired - op18k or xm2 8k, dav3 wired Wireless - zowie mice (dw, ec-cw, u2) vaxee, gpx2, viper V3 pro

Op1 is really good

Razer cobra, egg op1 or some zowie c gen mice if you don't mind wired mice it will be an upgrade to your current mouse

Nice review! I own this and agree the mouse is awesome. The clicks are insanely good. I slapped on an aero base from TJ Exclusives just to try it with a few grams less weight and it is so good. Don't think I will get anything else for a while!

for fingertip grip the L7 for sure. The Mad R is more a full size (X2 clone) where the L7 is closer to a X2 Mini clone. The coating does for sure feel better on the L7 but weight wise they are very similar. If you want fingeritp grip then the L7 is a fantastic choice and specs wise and speed wise one of the best mice on market (wired competes with the op18k and nearly competes with it wireless as well.)

The quality ok the L7 is exceptional. I wouldn't expect you to run into any major issues with it during use. Op18k is more narrow i have it as well, build quality on it is just as good, it can be fingertiped but is better for claw by far.

Like many of you I’ve seen many posts all the time asking about what the best mouse under 50$ or 60$ or whatever, lots of them asking about finding a solid mouse for cheap. I’ve become someone who has more knowledge than I should ever need on solid mice sub 65$ so I figured I’d put together a list of very solid mice at a low price! I’ve broken them up into a two categories of mice as there’s a lot of them that try to aim for the exact same shape as some others and are clones. Most all shapes from China are like exactly the same as others and do not usually make their own. Some brands do, most do not, and to go farther even to say original shapes I’m gonna say like…originalish cause that’s more accurate. I’m also adding what grip type each mouse is best for but this is honestly subjective to a bit. These are mostly recommendations as far as grips go as realistically you could do whatever grip suits you best on any mouse if your hands are big/small enough and that’s not entirely a thing i can take into account. If the mouse is wired then I have added that as well as most are wireless.  *Disclaimer, most of these are cheap chinese mice. It’s kind of a dice roll if the QC will be good or not, some have particularly good QC and i’ll mention those are they come up* **ORIGINAL SHAPES(ish):** * Incott Ghero Pro A very solid ergo mouse that is called GPX Ergo (or NP-01(S) clone) by many and is extremely solid built quality wise while also being extremely affordable. (Claw/Palm) **#** * Incott HPC01M is a more traditional mouse that’s designed for all grip types and is also extremely easily hot swappable to try different switches out with. It’s super solid built wise and works for many grips (All) * ATK F1 is a more traditional shape meaning it’s got a larger hump on the end and curves in the back out towards the front, the brand is known for being fairly solid QC wise and the mouse is very lightweight at 38g. (All) * MCHOSE G3 Is an egg shape that’s overall larger. It’s more akin to the G303 if it wasn’t quite as angled and it’s butt was smaller. At the time of this post it’s fairly new but overall the Mchose brand makes some solid mice. (All) * VGN Dragonfly F1 is more of an original shape with a larger rear hump and shorter front end, that is overall a fairly solid shape akin to the style of a viper mouse. Known for having excellent quality control. (Claw/Ftip) **#** * Ajazz AJ159 is a solidly built more original shape that is akin to the Dragonfly style of a larger rear hump that curves in. (Claw)  * Darmoshark M3 is a fairly solid original shape and has very solid QC while being very good for a lot of grip styles (All) **#** * Darmoshark M3S is a smaller version of the M3 and is again very good quality and a very good overall style and feel. (Claw/Ftip) **#** * Keychron M1 is a very solid mouse with a solid original shape. It’s along the same style as a viper in terms of shape but is original overall and has very good QC as do all their mice with a lower overall profile (All) **#** * Keychron M2 is their ergo mouse that is extremely solid with a good shape that’s more original and thinner towards the front than most. A lot of Ergos do not try to be like this. It also has a mini shape as well.(Claw/Ftip) **#** * Keychron M3 is their more clad dedicated ergonomics where it’s a larger rear  and goes thinner. Due to this it’s not as good for all grip styles but is excellent for claw style. (Claw) **#** * Keychron M4 is a pure fingertip grip style. For it’s price it’s kinda wild to find a dedicated fingertip grip mouse this cheap however it’s curves are not to everyone's preferences (Ftip ONLY)  * Keychron M7 is a G502 styled mouse that is also extremely good quality but a more original shape like their others. (Claw/Palm)  * Delux M900 is an ergo original shape but close to a Deathadder shape and is fairly decent in terms of feel. (Claw/Palm) * Zaopin Z2 is an ergo with a more asymmetrical shape at it's core, with a solid shape and very solid built quality (Claw/Palm)  **#** * Darmoshark N5 is a newer very solidly built Ergo mouse that is a more original style with a harsher curve into the front from the more ergo side (Claw/Palm)  * Zowie EC2 (Wired) Most people don’t consider that Zowie mice are like under 50$ USD for the wired versions. The EC2 is what \*most\* ergo mice are based on and are very solidly build, arguably some of the better built mice out there and are beloved by many for it. (Claw/Palm) **#** * Zowie FK1/ZA11/S1 (Wired) are all  original claw styled mice that is meant to be gripped in a traditional claw shape and are what a lot of other mice ended up based on as well but you could use anything if you wanted. (All) **#** * End Game Gear OP1 Wired (Wired) This is what a lot of mice are based on as EGG has some of the better mice on market in terms of quality and built and software. It's one of the best mice you can buy. (Claw) **#** * Redragon G49/M916 is a more traditional Sora/Atlantis shape style with questionable QC (Claw/Ftip) * LTC GM022/Valkyrie M1 is a stretched Xtrfy M8 with not great click quality (Claw/Ftip) * Dareu A950 Pro a blend of GPX and a Finalmouse Hourglass shape (subtle hourglass), has decent QC but the magneisum version is not as good on clicks (All) * UHURU WM09 is a very safe shaped ambi mouse that works for most all grip styles but mostly more palm and fingertip as it's not got a ton of curves (Palm/Ftip) * Projects Gaming Sleeper is another safe rounded ambi shape which is often 20$ or less (All) * AULA SC680 is a mixture of GPX and Waizowl Cloud meaning it's a GPX with a little more curves to it. (Claw/Ftip) * Fantech Aria XD7 is a larger EGG chaped mouse overall that is much like the Orochi and Zaopin Z1 (All) * Taidu TSG808 is a safe ambi shape with a larger rear and solid sensor (Claw) * Taidu TSG608 Max is an ergo/ambi style much like the Incott Ghero and is solid for multiple grips (All) * Kysona M511/ Carpo V903 is a solid ergo shape that is much like the Darmoshark N5 and is closer to a traditional Zowie styled ergo shape (Palm/Claw) * Rapoo VT9 is a fairly safe traiditional curved mouse with seemingly heavy curves in, bit of an odd shape (Claw?) * Rapoo VT1 seems to be a GPX with some harsher curves making it more suited for claw grip (Claw) * GITOPER G2 a small but extremely curved Atlantis styled mouse with questionable QC (Claw) * UtechSmart Venus Pro is an MMO ergo mouse, one of the very few MMO mice i've seen for cheap (Claw/Palm) * ATK Z1 is a new ergo shape from ATK, very similar to other ergos but original enough. (Claw/Palm) * Attack Shark R6 is a more original shape from Attack Shark that is a larger rear hump that thins out as it goes forward, the feel is like stuff like the Sora and is at 39g with 8k (Claw/Ftip) * MCHOSE L7 is an original feeling shape that fits somewhere between the X2V2 and the Atlantis Mini, come more curves than the pure flatness of the X2, but still very capable for most grip styles. A little smaller but very well built with 8k (All) **CLONES:** * VXE R1 It’s a very solid mouse that is a near identical X2 style clone. It’s got a little bit less in terms of curves inside so it’s actually a narrower, flat shape, but overall very solid. The pro model has a much better coating and implementation of it’s sensor as well and is generally worth the amount more it costs. It’s extremely well built QC wise. (Claw/Ftip) **#** * Incott HPC02 is a hotswappable X2 which is fairly high quality and allows you to try multiple different switches easily (All) **#** * Attack Shark X6 is another X2 clone that is fairly solid but has mixed quality control (Claw/Ftip) * Ajazz AJ219 Is a X2 clone as well with slightly more curves alone the backside. Widely considered to be the Attack Shark X6 but worse. (Claw/Ftip)\* ATK X1 Is a pretty much exact clone of the Razer Viper V3 Pro Clone. It’s got worse side buttons as Razers tend to be fantastic but it’s still overall just an exact same shape and feel, albeit with no coating. (All) * Attack Shark X3 has a solid shape like a smaller G Pro Superlight (GPX) and fairly solid feel that comes in 1k or 4k, there’s quite a few mice like this so i’ll put them all in a row one after another. (All) * Attack Shark X11 is a Viper V3 clone but with a worse sensor (3311) which has bad skates and a texture but with grip tape and new skates is alright if you wanna test the shape (All) * Kysona M600 is pretty much the same as the Attack Shark X3 with a slightly better build quality. (All) * Machose A5 is much the same, a smaller GPX but more of an exact GPX shape. (All) * Ajazz AJ199 Is again a smaller GPX shape. (All) * Ajazz AJ139 Is also a GPX shape if you can believe it (All) * Zaopin Z1 Pro is a traditional egg shape (like the food not End Game Gear). It’s great for fingertip or a weird claw but is fairly small for an Egg shape. If you like the Orochi it’s nearly identical. (Claw/Ftip) * Puretrak Valor is literally just a superlight. However it’s like a third the price of a superlight with a 3395 sensor. This mouse is technically 120$ Since i first saw it a year ago it’s been on sale for 35$ on their website. If it’s always on sale it’s never on sale. (All) **#** * Incott G23 is a very solid built mouse with a near identical shape to the GPX while also having hot swappable switches if you wanna try out some different feeling clicks (All) # * Delux M800 Is a near exact clone of the Viper V2 and is fairly solidly built. (All) * Delux M600 Is a near exact clone of the Viper Mini and is also fairly solidly built. (Claw/Ftip) * Phlyina S450 is a HTS+ clone that's arguably extremely good on QC and makes a normally hundred dollar mouse down to like a fourth the price. To go farther than that they are working on a 38g 8k version of it and already have a 4k one. It’s one of the best built mice on this list. (Claw/Ftip) **#** * Keychron M6 Is a MX Master clone but weighs less and has a gaming mouse modern sensor. (Claw/Palm) **#** * Attackshark R1/Metapanda01 both mice use the exact same shell and are the exact same shape. They are both slightly smaller Deathadder V3s and the differences is the sensor, the R1 uses a worse sensor that above 1,000 dpi has very bad issues, but below is actually pretty much fine and will be mostly fine for everyone. (Palm/Claw) * Ajazz AJ199 Pro Is the same shape and style as the one above but a solid ergo (Palm/Claw) * Monka M3 is a solid Sora V2 Clone great for specifically claw grip (Claw mainly) * HELLO GANSS FLX3 is a solid ergonoimic Thorn Clone (Palm/Claw) * Vancer Gretxa is a finalmouse clone with an older sensor but overall i've heard good things about it (All) * Ajazz Aj099 is Zowie S2 clone meaning it's got a real fat rear and is great for claw with an older sensor (3311) (Claw mainly) * Ajazz AJ179 is a Outset AX clone which is fairly solid and new so reviews still need to release more (Claw/Palm) * RAWM SA-MH01 is a Viper V3 styled clone with hot swap switches for ease of trying multiple others to find what you like (All) * RAWM SA-ML01 is a Viper V2 styled clone with hot swap switches for ease of trying multiple others to find what you like (All but claw more) * RAWM SA-SL01 is a Viper Mini styled clone with hot swap switches for ease of trying multiple others to find what you like (Claw/Ftip) (see what i did there?) * Fantech Helios XD5 GO is a IE3.0 Micro styled shape which is somewhat of an hourglass traditional shape with a slightly older sensor and bad battery life (All) * Fantech Helios II XD3 is a S2 clone meaning it's a more traditional styled shape with an hourglass with a larger backend, mainly great for claw grip (Claw Mainly) * Edifier Hecate G3M is a hotswappable HTS clone which is a fairly solid and well enjoyed shape while allowing you to test multiple other mice switches (All) * iRocks M31R is a Darmoshark N3 clone which is a solid original shape (and also on this list in the original listing) (All) * iRocks HE3 is a viper mini styled mouse with a replaceable battery but not much else but does come in 4k for cheap (All) * Incott G24 is a EC2 and hotswappable meaning it's a really solid ergo mouse with hotswap which Incott is known for (Palm/Claw) **#** * VXE MAD R is a Z2V2 clone Super lightweight at 37g with a shape made for any shape. (any) **#** * ATK X1 is a Viper V3 Pro clone with a solid build. It's the same company as VXE and is solid build. * Scyrox V8 has its parent company from Lamzu but is a SORA V2 clone and is the same shape and weight. Very high quality build and very solid mouse. **#** Most of these mice use the 3395 sensor and are wireless and are all sub 60$ on Aliexpress or other websites.  You may be asking now "wow that's a lot of mice! how do I pick one for me?" or "What's the best mouse here overall?" and i'll tell you how to decide that for yourself. It entirely comes down to your handsize and grip style. There is no endgame best mouse for everyone. Everyone has a different grip style and hand size. Grip styles also change. I was using a X2V2 Mini before I just decided to try a Dav3 Pro randomly and ended up loving it and now main that which is the hardest reversal of grips and mouse you could just about do. I tried to mention based on a more medium hand size the different grip styles for each mouse. Figure out what you like and prefer and then aim for a mouse like that. A good thing you could do is get something like the Attack Shark X3 which is solid for as low as 12$ at times and use that to figure out what your proper grip style is then look more into the best mice in the grip style you prefer to find the right one for you. There’s plenty of other mice on the way or coming out soon as the cheap chinese mice market is going kinda wild with how many keep getting released and are just upcoming. Rapoo VT3 i just heard about today and the Incott G24 larger traditional Ergo is still on the way. I plan to be updating this list as it goes and would take feedback on it if you have any! *# on the mouse meant I heavily recommend it.* Edit: Added more mice based on suggestions for numerous people but u/manpalanges gets extra credit for making a very large list!

A bit less than that (~0.8 ms), and that number only applies to 1000 Hz. At 2000 Hz, it'll be half of that, and at 4000 Hz roughly half once again.

Palm will be difficult, fingertip grip just fine. No issue with 18 cm, I was using it with 19 cm using claw grip.

Op18k best mouse I’ve used and I have been searching for my endgame mouse forever. This one is the truth y’all.

I wish I liked the shape. It's too narrow for me, feels like I can't grip it securely and that it's gonna slip out of my hand with every movement.

Damn, that's an old comment lmao. I've actually returned the Ghero since I was noticeably worse in FPS games with it, and I actually still use and really like the OP1 now, contrary to my previous comment about it being too narrow. I've since picked up a few other mice. I'm really liking the ATK X1 Ultimate, and the Hitscan Hyperlight as well.

Had various mice up to a G Pro but bought a OP1 8k wired since my G Pro had issues. Boy this mouse is good. Maybe it is just in my head but I feel like I hit way more shots. Also love the software. Cut down to the absolute minimum.

Op18k or gpx super light with jade skates on raiden mid.

Orbital Pathfinder recently came out, mine is still shipping but I think it might be awesome if you’re unsure of the shape you want to use. Otherwise, I have OP1-8k it is awesome but a little too narrow for me.

Get an op1 8k purple frost, it's pre-binned with lighter switches than the regular op1 8k, which is already lighter than the op1we. Or wait for op1w 4k which should be coming any minute now if you can't stand a wire

Went there and ended up with an Endgame Gear OP1 8k (wired). I couldn't be happier with it - Simple, light, no frills, extremely comfortable. They also make a wireless version, the OP1w 4K. I'm guessing by the name that the polling rate may be lower for power saving or something, but I can't tell a difference in tracking between this and my old mouse, which I think had a 4K polling rate. RTings also has *very* extensive mouse testing: https://www.rtings.com/mouse

I have the black and the purple frost, purple frost creaks like a bitch so I ended up just stripping the internals and upgrading the black one 😭 The frosted plastic seems to be a lot less rigid unfortunately :(

I have the black and the purple frost, purple frost creaks like a bitch so I ended up just stripping the internals and upgrading the black one 😭 The frosted plastic seems to be a lot less rigid unfortunately :(

The stock switches are lighter so those are nice but sensor is absolutely indistinguishable, I should have just bought a switch pack.

If you are fine with a wired mouse, the op18k or xm28k are the best you can get. If you need wireless, then I would recommend one of the scryox v6/v8 but the debate is there for pretty much anything.

I think it's alarming that you never tried the good old ec2. I've tried multiple different newer mice with good internals and different shapes(the last one was op18k), but I always go back to my trusty ec2a from 2017. So comfortable and I'm aiming great in cs2

I know you said you prefer wireless but you should definitely consider the Endgame Gear OP1 8K. It's a wired mouse that performance wise blows every other mouse out of the water and has a really really nice cable that many swear you barely even feel with a good bungee. It'll probably give you the best accuracy and latency of any mouse and it's worth checking out for you. Don't let the wire affect your bias before you try it.

Been using the 8k for about a month. At first i thought it was just me but it seems to miss clicks even when browsing. i've tried different settings too. Also the scroll wheel is a bit too slippery for my liking. prefer a more silent click too. I will be returning it.

Probably already mentioned but any of Endgame Gear’s mice wired/wireless. Been a fan of the Op18k since I got it.

Finalmouse ULX small /PMM Viper v3 pro/ OP1 8k wired (lots of mice these are my favorite) Pulsar Superglide v2/Key-83 Wooting 80he Mangrid Tea Pro/ thieaudio Hype 4/ Sennheiser 490pro All pvp and pve games. Marathon Alpha playtest starts soon) https://x.com/rudyomic/status/1905926817984233933?s=46

I love this shape I really like the way the front feels, very narrow and nothing is wedging itself into my fingers in an uncomfortable way. The only way another shape could be be better is if it had a less obtrusive left rear side and the right is where the hump is. It's high and rides right under your pinky and ring finger knuckles. Until that shape exists this will be my endgame...for now.

Are you sure you are using fingertip and palm grip hybrid? You probably are mistaking palm for relaxed claw grip. And you are probably cramping due to size of g305 if this is the case. There are people with relaxed claw + fingertip hybrid grip including me. Mice that works for me have almost flat sides like pulsar x2 or x2h(medium or mini), gpx, or op18k.

I have the op1 8k (white version) and the new Xm2 8k. The op1 8k is too small for my hands but the Xm2 8k is perfect. Like op said the sensor on a wired mouse is noticeably better then wireless. I have the superlight 2 and it's no where near as good sensor wise. I can't tell any difference when playing under 240hz. But when I play 240-480hz it's definitely noticeable. Op1 8k is perfect for small to medium hands. Xm2 8k is good for medium to large hands. If your hands are medium I'd go with the Xm2 8k.

Not lighter but the shape u describe might work well with an endgame gear xm2/Op1

Xm2 8k or op1 8k depending on your hand size or grip preference. Get a bungee, the wire is chill.

OP1 8k's good for rough use, if you want wireless, then use VXE R1 pro

Recently got the OP1 8K and a brand new desk mat cant wait for them to get here moving on from a razer wireless mouse.

How would you not prefer wireless with amazing click latency? I tries the op1 8K and still hate cables lol.

Yeah, I think for medium to small hands the OP1 8K is a superior shape for FPS for most people. I think for a lot of people the wire is just in their head. Again, perhaps influencers have also played their part in shaping people's attitudes towards wires. It depends a bit on use case and sens though. It can also be nice to have a wireless mouse to make your desk look cleaner. But just when it comes to in-game performance, it shouldn't limit most people imo.

I also think it's arguably the best switch implementation. I am curious to see how sentiment will shift when the OP1w becomes available.

It's a bit over budget, but if you're into esport games like r6, cs, valorant then I'd vouch for the op1 8k. It's a wired mouse, but it has the apparently the best click latency of gaming mice currently, isn't heavy at 50 grams, and has 8k polling if you care. I hear the wire is also pretty unobtrusive too. $109 at pccg.

Shape is one of if not the best for medium / small hand sizes, the hump allows you to comfortably claw grip it while keeping the front more narrow for great use of fingertip adjustments. And then there's the fact that the build quality is all around premium, the coating, the switches are amazing, especially the side buttons which a lot of other mice use softer more mushier switches, whether these are all snappy and built like a tank. The stock skates are also really good. And the cable is very lightweight and flexible, it feels more like fabric and you practically don't notice it at all with a good dongle. Oh and the Op1 is built to be easily moddable, it's very easy to open, requiring just 2 screws and the switches have been made to be hot swappable if you wish to change them. The only reason I'm not using the op1 8k, 24/7 is the fact my desk is too small, so my wire drags slightly off the table, because going to the top of my pad makes my mouse wire fall off the desk. That won't be an issue for larger tables. It's also the fact of the weight, imo 50g\~ mice and under feel way less exhausting to use than 60g\~ mice. Which is why I tend to use the Hyperlight over the Op1 w4k. Because even though I prefer the op1 build quality and shape, it's just a way better experience using something lightweight. But that doesn't make it bad at all means. I can use my op1 w4k quite well, it's just I think having it as the same weight as the op1 8k, literally perfects it. As I said, the weight basically puts the op1 8k currently as the best mouse overall, if you get a bungee, you can just get a simple pulsar micro one and stick it to the underside of your monitor and you're good to go. Even then if you want to wait until July / June to get the v2 versions, that's completely up to you, they will have a slight weight reduction (we don't know about the op1 wireless or xm2 weights currently). And you'll get a slightly better build with a 3950 sensor, (but the difference between that and the 3395 is practically unnoticable) That's why I'm saying if the new op1 w4k v2 is 50g, you might as well not even buy anything else.

Try the op1 w4k, I enjoy using it. It's not bad at all means so if you really don't want a wired, give it a go. It's a banger either way, I'm just saying from my personal experience if the v2 version knocks the weight down, it's #1 mouse of all time.

It's only problem on razer's deathadder v3 pro and viper v2 pro and they probably fixed it in new versions. If you still have gwarannty you can do rma. If you want new mouse i reccomend you endgame gear xm2 8k or op1 8k if wired. If wireless there's many options, if you liked viper v2 pro i reccomend you viper v3 pro.

At 100$ the Sora V2 is the best for claw-focused grip. It has amazing build quality although there are reports of QC issues. For wired, the OP1 8K has the best latency, and is also good for claw as well as any fingertip-related grip.

Wired DAv3 got plenty of praise here and in different reviews. Great mouse, the shape is just too big and bulky. And of course the clicks aren't nearly as good (in general some can even prefer the opticals) as with OP1 8k. Performance wise of course the differences are small but OP1 8k is lower latency than even the wired DAv3 (which is great in itself don't get me wrong). "not just about the shape, otherwise everyone would be saying OP1we was endgame." Of course it's not only about the shape. It's the combination of top performance in a great shape with overall excellent build quality and clicks. OP1we had heavier weight and clicks that many disliked or at least didn't love. 

OP1 8K, by a landslide I don't care about the "it's wired" argument it's a top tier mouse and the best performance wise, built like a brick, and you know what makes it better? a clean and simple software that actually does the job without hogging a lot of resources more mice should be like that and I cannot wait for the XM2 8K. Edit: that's without considering the shape because that varies from person to person.

The non pro 500x500 Saturn is like $15 at LGG, which is a very solid value imo, which leaves a lot of budget for the mouse. Just looking at Endgame you could get an OP1 8k if you don't mind the wire or a XM2we if you do. Mice preference is mostly dictated by your specific grip style and hand size so you sort of have to narrow it down a bit. Scryox V8 is also a good budget option but a bit lower profile and narrower than what you might be expecting if you are coming from something like an ergo. I remember seeing GPX superlights (the original not v2) go as low as $80 at some places. Some people really like the GPX shape and at that price point it could make sense.

get op1 8k because you can repair anything pretty easily and build quality is great. probably don't get if you have over 11cm wide hands

I was deciding between the scyrox v8 and the op1 8k, and ended up getting the latter cuz Viscose and boardzy conviced me with their vids on it ngl, but im still curious if i made the wrong choice, tbh the wire doesnt bother much is just there and the clicks and quality and inmaculate, miles ahead of the scyrox v8 Imo.

I have both op1 8k and deathadder v3 , now using the op1 just because it's bit better for black ops 6. But it you are not into fps gaming , then deathadder v3 is fine. If you play cod warzone and you do lot of movement the smaller shape is gonna save more space for the mouse to move around. Also you need to upgrade the firmware of op1 8k if you buy it. If you have very large hands then but xm2

Ok for that grip don't buy op1 8k , it's too small. But deathadder v3 it's gonna feel fire. In my area it's really affordable on sales.

Bro 🤣🤣🤣, my deathadder v3 is cooked after almost 2.5 months of usage 🤣🤣🤣, the usb disconnects automatically. I had to clean install windows for a purpose. It's not a driver or razer software side issue. The physical cable got damaged , i use it to play call of duty black ops 6 🤣. A mouse lasting 2.5 years would be a dream to me. I got it on sale from Amazon, might be some shit unit. But i would suggest to buy something else. Don't buy op1 8k also. Just get some wireless mouse like VXE mad r major , i personally ordered atk f1 extreme. Time to go wireless finally. Fuck the wire. 👍😆😆🤣

Hello, I was in the same boat as you around 4 years ago. Wanted to keep it cheap, and did not care about rgb. I personally found that while keyboard is not insanely important. Mousepad, mouse, and monitor hz is the number 1 things preventing your skill in whatever fps game you play. I say if you invest in a solid mouse (ideally above $30) you can use that mouse for however many years you would like assuming you researched the truth of it. I gravitated towards the Glorious Model O 4 years ago, and just recently ordered the Op1 8k (easily one of the best mouse on the market). As for keyboard I am not familiar, I went ahead and purchased an easy mechanical keyboard. If I were to suggest, Op1 8k, but that is at $85.

Yeah you are right, vv3 got the 3950 sensor in it the op1 8k 3395 performance wise in games hard to tell but yeah performance wise op1 8k beats the vv3 simply because it’s a wired mouse

Op1 8k if you do not mind it being wired

Performance wise is has to go to the DAV3 Wired for big ergo and OP1 8k for small ambi. Otherwise the other commenter pointed out the top budget wireless mice.

Best symmetrical wireless mouse * OP1 8K is best symmetrical mouse in terms of performance.

What else is performance other than click and sensor latency? Shape is preference. Performance is objective and OP1 8k beats it in every measurement, I’m pretty sure.

Yeah there’s a lot more to a mouse than just sensor but OP1 8k has everything beat by a fair margin.

Op1 8k and Sora v2

Op1 8K is great but also kinda small for me but Xm2 8K would be in consideration if I was looking to buy a new mouse at the moment. I prefer wired simply because I don't have to worry about the battery and charging. It's always ready to go when I need it. Cable doesn't bother me because these higher end wired mice have great lightweight cables as well but still some people hate it and for them a bungee is always an option.

OP, this. Out of all the small mice I've tried, the OP1 Shape is the one I've liked the most. It doesn't feel like a scaled down version of a larger mouse. The width of the mouse is great for smaller hands (I'm 17.5x10) and makes the mouse feel proportionate to its size. All my other mouse have been shelved and I haven't even had the urge to give any of them a spin since I got my OP1 8K.

If you are looking for a wired mouse, EndgameGear has some great options. Since you have smaller hands, the OP1 8K is worth checking out. If you are looking for pure value, definitely go for a chinese mouse (VXE R1 lineup, VXE Mad R lineup, ATK F1 lineup, Scyrox V6/V8).

I have an 80he and the OP1 XM1. If you have small hands go with OP1 8k. Great mice if you like wired like me.  

XE S is one of my current favorites. In fact, I specifically bought it since it shared a similar profile as Cloud XS. I switch between it and OP1 8K.

Anyone that is wanting a great mouse, I recommend Endgame Gear Op1 or Op1 8k (8k polling rate is overkill and requires alot alot of processing power) These mice are affordable on any budget, and the performance you get with them is as good or better than it's competitors. One could argue that it is better than it's competitors in every aspect.

Anyone that is wanting a great mouse, I recommend Endgame Gear Op1 or Op1 8k (8k polling rate is overkill and requires alot alot of processing power) These mice are affordable on any budget, and the performance you get with them is as good or better than it's competitors. One could argue that it is better than it's competitors in every aspect.

I personally don’t mind wired. Prefer my op1 8k over most wireless mice. BUT, I also have wireless mice and have happily used them the last 6 years. There’s really no reason to go wired unless you enjoy a shape. And even then most wired mice also have a wireless version.

Fingertip can be pretty good when using the OP1. For my experience, it has been amazing, aside from my palm brushing up against the hump accidentally. I am going for the BeastX Mini due to the hump being more centered towards the mouse. I have small hands myself, and I am very excited to try to get it this Christmas

It’s a very good mouse, I just wish they added the front thumb button. I’m too used to having one…

Harpe might be a better pick than the rest, OP1 is nice for the shape, my homie has the OP1we paired with the Hone Ace mousepad and holy fuck my wrist might get fucked 😂😂

This is a fun assignment, maybe EGG OP1 for claw and fortnite. Roccat Kone Pro for moba (not really). Rocket Jump Ninja mouse for fingertip.

Yes, you can't go wrong with the basic OP1 model.

I second the OP1