Endgame Gear - OP1w 4k v2

Viper v2pro v3pro.(V2 best shape, V3 "safe" shape) *best sensor imo/from experience, no debounce delay* Super light 2. *Good sensor and no debounce delay.* Op1 8k (cable) or wireless 4k. *Fastest clicks, it registers the click before you hear the click sound. Good sensor.* My favorite of them all, G-wolf HTR 8k pro. Tiny mouse At 26g, I'm 6'4 and can use this little thing without any issues. But I would recommend the Endgame gear OP1 8k, Great shape, great coating for grip even with sweaty hands, fastest clicks of any mouse due to their own switches and good sensor. Light weight software (*no install*). Good price.

Endgame Gear OP1w 4k if you want a smaller mouse or XM2w 4k if you want a larger mouse. Both have wired options available if you don't mind having a wire (and the OP1 has much cheaper versions if you don't care for more than 1k polling rates). Just don't get the "we" versions as these ones have pretty shitty optical switches.

Anti-Cheat systems don't detect side buttons as cheating. Your mouse is for basic office use so I am not surprised it has issues with precision. I can recommend endgame gear mice. Either get the OP1w or the XM2w if you want more stability. The wired versions are also worth considering if the wire doesn't bother you.

OP1w 4k and artisan raiden arrived yesterday and the combo already feels much better than what ive ever used.

Op1w 4k would be my recommendation. Best shape on the market right now for claw grip.

Try the op1 w4k, I enjoy using it. It's not bad at all means so if you really don't want a wired, give it a go. It's a banger either way, I'm just saying from my personal experience if the v2 version knocks the weight down, it's #1 mouse of all time.

Op1w 4k on sale on Amazon right now for $87 USD, not sure if that translates to £. I know the OP1 mice get shilled a lot here but it's kinda similar to the mouse you mentioned. G wolves htx ultra 8k also similar but a more premium price tag. Pulsar X2 has a bunch of similar stuff as well. None of them are like perfect replacements if you want the same exact thing but they are accessible I think if you are trying to get something in two days lol. Idk if the UK has actual gaming stores you can go into like micro center in the states. Edit: it was a different gwolves mouse I saw on Amazon

Op1w 4k or op18k if you dont mind a wire, if you get lucky with g wolves qc then hati s plus 8k

Good video, recently just bought the op1w 4k as an upgrade from my gpx so I'm glad to hear the op1 is a nice mouse.

Thanks for Update of the post with nYour hand size. For Your small hand 16x9 cm I would suggest - do not look on Superlights and Vipers, it will be big for Your hand, at least to to the local store and check it Yourseves (do not listen anybody). For Your hand and from Your list I would suggest 119 mm long Vaxee ZYGEN NP-01S v2. You can add to Your list 119 mm Zowie EC3-CW Small, EndGame Gear OP1W 4K, Sora V2. Even these 4 mouses can be slightly big for Your hand

op1 if you want a rounder feeling hump in your palm, and the sora if you want high and wide feeling in your palm. I'd say don't go for the x2h since it's really bulky, rounded, and aggressive in your palm unless you like it (just grip a ping pong ball in your palm if you're curious), and for the viper v3 pro well the button heigh would be too high tbh and the overall size isn't that good for your handsize unless you do relax claw so just skip that I'd say.

I will always recommend the Endgame Gear OP18k (or the OP1w 4k if you simply cannot fathom using a wired mouse), or the WLMouse Beast X Mini. Cannot go wrong between these two. I also love my Razer Viper Mini SE, but I'd never in a million years recommend it, purely due to its cost and lack of availability.

We have almost the same hand size. I play these games as well. As a former G Pro Wireless enjoyer, I can recommend the GPX 2. I tried every mainstream mouse. Viper V3 Pro, GPX 1 and 2, Lamzu Maya 8K, OP1W 4K, XM2W 4K, Zowie-S2 DW, Beast X Pro. I can say that when it comes to jack of all trades, the GPX is my main. The factor that I used the form of it for 3-4 yrs is important to note. BUT out of all these mice the OP1W 4K was the closest when it comes to perform all of these games. I was even better at tracking and target switching in COD with this mouse. But in CS2 the GPX was the most consistent for me. I hope I could give some help buddie!

op1w 4k is probably the best option 

Can’t go wrong with OP1w 4k or OP1 8k

I’ve used about 50+ mice in total over the years, and honestly it is down to personal preference due to the shape being the biggest factor. My all-time favourites for me personally are the OP1w 4k and Pulsar X2H; this is probably due to me having small hands, 16.5x9.

Yeah, I personally prefer the OP1W 4k since there's no reason for 8k polling since MC can't handle it and I prefer wireless. Op1 8k is great too. Also good to note that the xm2w 4k is also a solid option, just know which shape you prefer. Edit: I should've mentioned this but the OP1W and such mice are actually designed to be pro FPS mice and are lightweight. Personally I'd recommend using pulsar super grip tape with them, which makes it incredibly easy to drag click. I'm master in voltaic Kovaaks benchmarks with this mouse and can also get 20-40 CPS butterflying and drag clicking respectively.

I have the same grip and am 18x8.5. I like the Atlantis Mini and Pulsar X2 Crazylight mini. Both of these have had good QC in my experience and seem to have similar reports online from others. They're pretty similar; I mainly use my X2 for tracking games like Apex and my Atlantis for clicking/flicking stuff like tac shooters and MOBAs. Pros of X2: * better clicks * more tactile scroll wheel * lighter Pros of Atlantis: * scroll wheel takes less effort (pro in my case for tap strafing in Apex but could be a con if you use scroll to cycle your inventory in games) * more forward sensor position (pro/con depending on your preference) I've tried the Endgame gear op1w and didn't like how narrow it was. Superlight 2 was too big for me. Beast X mini was too small. Pulsar X2h basically same shape as X2 but I didnt like that the hump was higher. Viper mini I like the shape but its kinda outdated (and the signature edition so hard to find)

I’ve been using Pulsar mice since the original X2 and the Xlite v3 was finally a mouse where quality was good enough that I could recommend to others. X2 V1 had double clicking issues, even on later batches. Rather than fix that and allow buyers to RMA, they released a V2 instead that people had to re-buy. X2H had the worst clicks of any mouse I’ve ever tried. They then finally released a good mouse in the Xlite V3 but at this point, I’ve just gone for the OP1w 4K and won’t be buying from Pulsar again.

Endgame gear op1 nice small mouse with hotswap feature Razer cobra decent small mouse with optical switch

Op1 and dav3 best value, the haste core is not

Op1 is really good

Endgame gear op1 this mouse has a hotspot feature you can change the default switches into. A silent switch.

Too big i recommend the Op1w 4k, x2 cl.

I have tried Logitech, razer, Endgame gear, zowie mice and my experience with Logitech the g102 prodigy it's rock solid no issues with the clicks and scroll wheel the rubber scroll wheel deteriorated. Razer the dav2 mini, rvm, Dav3 wired and cobra wired, I had to rma my rvm 7 times knowing it uses a shit encoder my last razer mice are the cobra and dav3 and the quality improved a lot. Endgame gear op1 and zowie are the same they're sturdy but I'll give zowie an upper hand because they use an optical scroll wheel encoder.

I am really happy with my OP1w 4k. I also tried gwolves hts+ 4k and i like it but I heard about some quality issues with gwolves

Op1w 4k + wallhack sp004 Miku Have in rotation a few other mice but the op1 stays on the desk most of the time

Get an op1 8k purple frost, it's pre-binned with lighter switches than the regular op1 8k, which is already lighter than the op1we. Or wait for op1w 4k which should be coming any minute now if you can't stand a wire

Op1 w4k wireless or wired op1 8k. Best build quality and performance

As a small mouse enjoyer, I love my op1w 4k. I've also have a hitscan hyperlight which is more agile and fingertip friendly due to it's narrower back and mid hump. My atk f1 pro extreme is better at claw due to the more back hump and slightly wider back. Both the hyperlight and f1 have been superseded by my new Trinity CF since I like a bit higher profile on the front of the mouse to rest my ring finger. Unfortunately my unit has some side to side wiggle on mouse 1 so I'm trying to RMA it.

17cm x 8cm. Op1w 4k is my favorite since I like narrow nice. It’s really controllable. 

Recently got the WL Mouse Beast Pro X Tempered after wanting another ULX but not wanting to deal with terrible QC again. The mouse feels really good and I'm thoroughly enjoying, it might even become my main! I don't normally do reviews but if I was to quickly go through the main points of a mice it would be as follows. Clicks - Feel pretty good, probably the 2nd best omron opticals I've felt right behind the Hitscan Hyperlight. I wish they were slightly lighter but they are not heavy at all. OP1 still has the best clicks for me, compared to the ULX they don't feel as spammable but I honestly prefer them over the ULX. Coating - Better than I expected, I thought this mouse was going to be slippery but it's really not that bad although I would probably use mouse grips with it but I'm trying not to because I like the way it looks as is. Coating is much better than the ULX where I feel like my fingers slide all over that mouse. Shape - This is why you would get this mouse, this shape is such a good shape. I play fingertip / claw grip with 19x10 hand size and this shape is just so good for that. The slight indent on the left side lets you dig your thumb in and have really good control of the mouse. I don't enjoy super small fingertip mice so along with the Hitscan Hyperlight this is up there with my favorite "fingertip" mice for me. Build Quality - This is why you would get this mouse over the ULX. The build quality is so much better than the ULX. There's no flexing, creaking, or anything like that just a normal solid mouse. Overall I highly recommend this mouse especially if you are someone who wants a finalmouse ULX. I really would say to just get this mouse instead as it just makes so much more sense. Mice in background (left to right) - Pulsar X2, ULX, Lamzu Maya X, OP1w 4k, Pulsar X2 Crazylight, Hitscan Hyperlight.

I don't use the OP1 too much because I don't think the shape is for me, it's much too narrow for me and it hurts my hand. Mouse feels amazing to use besides that though.

I have the wireless version and absolutely love it. It's a really good mouse and this is coming from someone who has a fuck ton of mice. I find the op1 a touch too small and the xm2 a touch too big so I got the vaxee x sora as it literally right in between those 2 mice as size goes, and I think vaxee has one of the best wireless implementations in the mice industry, which imo, plays a really big role in wireless mice, which often people over look. Good wireless performance will make a mouse feel like it has a better sensor than its competitor if they don't have as good of a wireless implementation. I barley noticed a difference between my Vaxee.X Sora and my OP1, so endgame gear passes the test there. I would rank the OP1 an S tier mouse, with a top of the line sensor. the v2 is probably a 3950 sensor as the V1 is a 3395 sensor. Even though you got the wired version, the wireless also has great wireless implementation, at least the op1 w 4k does imo. I highly recommend the mouse and below are my reasons to why the OP1 is Great, shape wise. Unfortunately, the Vaxee x Sora has a much wider back than I anticipated. Elo shapes can only help so much with predicting how a mouse shape will feel. The vaxee x Sora is a perfect XM2w 4k clone that's a touch smaller in my opinion. The OP1 is also very similar in shape but where the difference lies is the mouse has a more narrow rear. the Xm2, Vaxee X Sora, and OP1 all are identical claw shaped mice, in a small, medium, large format. but I think the OP1 has a slight difference from the XM2 and Vaxee Sora, and that is the OP1 has a more narrow rear, while the XM2 and Sora have a wide rear that fills out your palm more. The OP1 having a more narrow rear than the Xm2 and Sora, allows for easier micro adjustments in my hand. You see, Palm contact is Great for stability, and no palm contact and just fingers is great for micro adjustments. The XM2 and Sora having a wide rear, and being more wide all around, fatigues my hand more and makes too much contact with the sides of my palm, giving too much stability, and I can't make as seamless micro adjustments with my fingers as I can with the op1 4k. The OP1 still has a high rear, but it's just more narrow, allowing those side areas to be hollow in my palm, so I can make micro adjustments with the OP1 without it getting snagged on the edges of my hand, all while still have a high rear so I can still make contact with the top of my palm for when I need stability.

They do make a ton of mice like that. You need to look for mice that are specifically made for claw grip. Pulsar X2 or X2H is like that. Endgame gear OP1 or XM2 are also like that. Sora v1 , or Vaxee X Sora are also like that. I'm sure there plenty more that I can't think of from the top of my head. The hour glass gives your fingers better leverage to really handle the mouse but yea, if your hands are too big or small for the mouse, it can cause issues. I honestly would say the Logitech GPX has a very very subtle hour glass, that it will probably feel pretty flat on the sides for you, it's one of the safest first mice for a reason. Asus harpe ace if I remember correctly is also pretty flat on the sides, it's shaped like a Logitech GPX but just longer.

Bruh, it's kind of sad I can't say much, because I came from a Logitech G102. Maybe I can't tell the difference yet, but after just 30 minutes, I'm in love with the shape. I think.

Yes, my hands are kind of small; I really like the shape.

After using the V2 for a while, I tried to adjust a bit since I came from a G102. While I really like the back of the mouse, the front feels a bit narrow. I think it suits a claw grip, but I don't always use claw. I'm still trying to adjust, but overall, I really like it.

Fingertip can be pretty good when using the OP1. For my experience, it has been amazing, aside from my palm brushing up against the hump accidentally. I am going for the BeastX Mini due to the hump being more centered towards the mouse. I have small hands myself, and I am very excited to try to get it this Christmas

It’s a very good mouse, I just wish they added the front thumb button. I’m too used to having one…

Go to Microcenter and try a couple diff shapes out. Or look online and see what shapes other people like for their style. Claw / fingertip / palm. Check length of your hands you really care. I had a deathadder and just switched to ENDgame Op1. Feels amazing

OP1, XM1. There are rgb versions with a tad more weight if you want that at all, but since you're casually gaming then the base model is fine and you won't need 8k polling.

two different mice. look at the comma. [Op1](https://www.endgamegear.com/en-us/op1-series) [Xm1](https://www.endgamegear.com/en-us/xm1-series)

Harpe might be a better pick than the rest, OP1 is nice for the shape, my homie has the OP1we paired with the Hone Ace mousepad and holy fuck my wrist might get fucked 😂😂

This is a fun assignment, maybe EGG OP1 for claw and fortnite. Roccat Kone Pro for moba (not really). Rocket Jump Ninja mouse for fingertip.

Yes, you can't go wrong with the basic OP1 model.

I’m currently using a g203 wired mouse (big mistake), after 2-3 years it started to double click alot, and when I scroll it usually goes the opposite direction of what I want. It’s really unusable now so I’m looking for a better and more durable mouse that I can use for years, no double clicking, no scrolling problems, no need for any fancy stuff just a good durable mouse with 2 side buttons for gaming. My budget is around 50 bucks but if the mouse is worth it I can go for more. I’ve been looking around online and found the XM1r to be a pretty sturdy and reliable-looking mouse. But I really don’t know much about mouse so I’m looking forward to hear your suggestions.

Thank you. I’m definitely going with the op1 then since it’s really well praised by most people on this thread, I would love such a durable and quality mouse.

That is good to know, I mainly have an issue with my scroll wheel on my old mouse (it keeps scrolling the wrong way and the middle click works like 50% of the time) so I’m looking for a mouse that can work well for a long time, and alot of people showed me that the op1 is probably the best choice for my budget.

Yeah I’ve just taken a look at it and it seems very nice, this is probably the best one for my budget, might I ask what is the difference between the OP1 and OP1we version other than the wire, since it’s a 30 euro difference so I will probably go with the wired version if it’s the same.

I’m definitely going for the op1 then, I do not mind the wire and actually prefer them tbh. Everyone seem to really recommend it too so it’s probably a no-brainer atp. Thank you for your help.

Oh the scroll wheel is something I really must consider, since my current mouse cannot scroll correctly and clicking the mmb rarely works, it’s really annoying to use. I really hope it’s just a rare case and not a common occurrence. Thank you for the heads up.

I think I’ll go for the op1, Endgame Gear seems to really be reliable in terms of quality from what I’ve heard.

Thanks. I was considering the xm1 first but then people really love and recommend the op1 more, is it a newer mouse compared to xm1? Also I’m looking for a mouse that have good mouse buttons, and mainly a scroll wheel that won’t have any issues since my current mouse scroll is making it unusable (it keeps scrolling the wrong direction and clicking the mmb works only half the time). So for now it seems like op1 is the best fit for my budget.

Yeah guess it’s kinda steering me towards getting an op1 now, I didn’t really understand much about mouse back then but now I’ll probably avoid logitech mouse.

Around 50 dollars is the most comfortable range for me, but if the mouse is really worth it I can try 10 dollars more.

Yep definitely avoiding logitech mouse from now on, from the help I received from this thread, the best mouse for around 50 dollars is the op1 by Endgame Gear. I did some self research and their mouse are very durable and the quality is top notch, so this seems like the best choice if you wanna buy a new mouse.

Endgame gear got you covered. Eighter with the op1 , or the xm2we. I have the second and it's a tank.

Although it's true that mechanical switched develop double clicking, with modern mechanical switches it doesn't happen as quickly as with older mice (like the g203). If you want, the xm2we has optical switches, and doesn't cost more than the op1 8k.

The scroll wheel thingy it's probably the only flaw in some endgame gear mice, they don't use the bests ttc encoders (the thingy necessary for the scroll wheel to do scroll wheel things). As for the exit for the op2 V2, I have no idea for when it will come out, but endgame is not known for releasing stuff on time, so if you want to risk it, wait for the V2, or you can just get one other op1 now. The possibility of the scroll wheel dying again is rather low.

Razer Deathadder v3 hyperspeed is small, sleek, lightweight and all performance. no RGB. Others I’d recommend as others mentioned is Ninjutso Sora V2, Hitscan Hyperlight and Endgame OP1

I second the OP1

I highly recommend checking out Pulsar's options! There's the X2A which will give you 4 side buttons that are programmable. Their wireless options are also very good, without any blatant input lag. The cables are also way nicer than I've seen from Razer or Logitech, I had a Viper mini awhile back, but had to return it because it felt cheap and the cable was so stiff it'd push the mouse on its own. All of their mice have mini versions which have been perfect for my hands, which are pretty small. There's also the Coolermaster MM711, It's very small and comfy, and has a top of the line sensor for a pretty cheap price. Also if you can find it, the HK Gaming Mira S is nice, and it comes in some different colorways other than just the plain old black or white. Logitech and Razer have some nice offerings, but personally I'd avoid them. Logitech's offerings are genuinely good but their higher end options are crazy expensive compared to other brands. Razer has just always been overhyped in my experience. I've had half a dozen mice from them and each and every one has just been *okay* while being 2x the price of lesser-known brands that give you the same performance with higher quality plastics, and software that doesn't use up a bunch of background resources :/ Also honourable mention to endgame gear, the OP1 might be a nice fit for you, it's a smidge bigger than the Pulsar X2H mini -which is what I currently use- but it's still fairly small compared to most mice.

Anyone that is wanting a great mouse, I recommend Endgame Gear Op1 or Op1 8k (8k polling rate is overkill and requires alot alot of processing power) These mice are affordable on any budget, and the performance you get with them is as good or better than it's competitors. One could argue that it is better than it's competitors in every aspect.

try the endgame gear OP1, it is a really good small and light mouse for FPS games. The RGB version is still on sale on amazon for 35€ here in germany.

And add a dpi button on top!

Yeah, I really like the op1, broken several personal records with it, just can't play without that extra button on top, hard to find a wired mouse with recent sensor and that illusive extra button.

I have an 80he and the OP1 XM1. If you have small hands go with OP1 8k. Great mice if you like wired like me.