Endgame Gear - OP1w 4k v2

Bought an op1w 4k v2 after not really liking the superlight plus it was so loud and such a heavy click. My new mouse is just perfection a little smaller but i claw grip and it works surprisingly well on my large hands. There can’t be a best mouse because each mouse caters to individual needs and use case. I used to use a death adder elite which at the time considered it the best mouse. Usually 2 things are the deciding factor in modern mice shape which is king and weight. Everything else even polling rate is subjective.

Technically yes but for Endgame Gear that would be a literal non-issue for 2 reasons. 1, their Kailh GX switches use SPDT tech, so there's a mode you can activate where it basically requires the switch be activated in a specific way that prevents double clicking, and 2, they literally market you being able to open up the mouse and swap out the switches for new ones by changing the daughterboard with packs they sell online. Makes it customizable. The OP1 series is what allows this. Otherwise if you don't wanna go for an OP1 8Kv2 or OP1W 4Kv2, can also recommend a Superlight 2c for the size (fantastic for ftip which surprised me). WLmouse BeastX series is also fantastic for ftip but the side buttons do sit a bit far forward.

Thank god I got attached to the OP1 shape, I had the same issue of 27 mice. * OP1 8K White + Corepads * OP1w v2 4K Dark Frost * OP1we White * XM1r Dark Frost * Starlight Pro TenZ Small + Tiger ICE * HSK Plus Lite Pink * Hati S Ace Wireless + Corepads * Hati S Plus 4K Transparent Black * Hati S Plus 4K White + Obsidian Dots * Hati S Plus Classic + Ghostglide Dots * HTX 4K Ruby Red + Obsidian Dots * Lamzu Atlantis Mini * Logitech G Pro Superlight White * Pulsar X2 Super Clear Mini * Pulsar X2H Mini Black * Pulsar Xlite Mini Black + Corepads + Grips * Pulsar Xlite V2 Red * Razer Orochi V2 White + Superglides * Razer Viper Mini + Corepads * Sprime PM1 * Vaxee NP-01S Blue Wireless + BTL Grips * Vaxee NP-01S White * Vaxee Outset AX Funspark * Vaxee XE White * Xtrfy MZ1 + Corepads * Zowie EC2-A + Corepads * Zowie ZA13-C + Corepads

I'm a new mouse enthusiast that was **CRAZY** enough to purchase **11 different gaming mice** so you **DON'T HAVE TO** lol. I'm writing this to conclude my hyper fixation (hopefully). **TLDR: Shape is king!** YouTube mouse reviews are helpful, but reviewers have to nitpick things that really don't matter for the average consumer/gamer. Eloshapes and RTINGS 3d Comparison are great tools, but ultimately holding a mouse in-hand is the best way to compare shapes. Mouse sensors are pretty much all great these days and click latency feels identical unless you are a pro gamer or superhuman. Don't worry about latency and sensor/click performance unless you have issues with a specific mouse. High polling rate capability should be the least important factor when deciding on a mouse IMO. 2k and above are nice to have, but anything above 4k is totally unnecessary unless you have the PC to maintain good FPS and want to. Most Valorant/CS2 pros still use 1k in actual events/matches. Also a good idea to update firmware for receiver/dongle and the mouse itself right away to minimize any known issues. **WAIT at least 1 week after buying a mouse before deciding if you want to return or keep,** your first impression of a shape is fairly reliable. However, some of these mice grew on me heavily after I gave them more use and time to find a comfortable grip style. **DON'T impulsively buy mice like I did either (hindsight is 20/20 haha). Definitely try the Scyrox V6 if you have smaller hands and didn't quite enjoy the G Pro X Superlight shape.** **Spend the least amount of money possible. More expensive mice really don't feel much better than budget options from Scyrox and other competition. Only spend a lot if you are positive that a particular shape is what you want.** Most of these mice were bought through Amazon Prime. In total I ended up returning 5 of the mice over time. I play **Valorant 99 percent** of the time. I'm a hard stuck Gold player in Valorant with around 1600 hours played on and off in the past 2 years. (hate but also love the game) My hands are on the smaller side at\*\*: 17.5cm x 9.35cm.\*\* I rotate between a relaxed claw/regular claw grip. I always keep my wrist in full contact with my mousepad. I play on fairly low sensitivity in game. For Valorant and Kovvaks between 0.23 - 0.27 at 800 dpi. These mice were all used primarily on 800 dpi FWIW. **Mousepad:** Steel Series QCK XXL Heavy (Tabletop Mousepad). Has 1 year of use so is definitely more of a control pad. I've owned the original G Pro X Superlight for the past year and was basis of comparison for all of these mice. Going to rate these mice in different categories/sub-categories. Ratings will be out of 10. If you want more detailed info about any of these mice that I can't fit below please ask in comments. # Mouse Shape Comparison: G Pro X Superlight: **5/10** Safe shape that is a decent starting point for most hand sizes larger than mine. Definitely always felt too large for my hand size in length and the sides always felt too flat and wide. Shape is not distinct enough to easily have a consistent claw grip for my preferences. To say this mouse is uncomfortable would be a lie, just not my favorite. Razer Viper V3 Pro (Returned): **6/10** Think this is a better safe recommendation for claw grip for those who have medium to large hands. Compared to the superlight this mouse felt longer but more distinct in hand than the potato shape of the GPX. Sadly mouse really not ideal for smaller hand sizes like mine but if I had larger hands I would definitely prefer to GPX. Can still make work with smaller hands but have to fight the shape more. Pulsar X2 Crazylight (Returned): **6/10** Small mouse with a low side profile and not very much palm support towards back. Felt ok for me but it left me wanting much more palm support for claw grip in back hump. Side buttons always felt too cramped above thumb on left side, wish the buttons were positioned higher up. Would be better suited for a fingertip grip than claw IMO. Pulsar X2H v3 mini (Returned): **7/10** Compared to the X2 Crazylight/X2 mini shape, this mouse felt significantly better for relaxed claw and more aggressive claw grip. The length of the shape combined with the width and bulbous hump in back makes this mouse feel decently stubby, so it wasn't as comfortable as some of these other options for longer periods of use. Definitely try **Scyrox V8** instead which is pretty much a longer version of this shape that is cheaper and has better main clicks. Ninjutso Sora V2 or Pulsar X2 Medium similar options to V8. XM2w 4k v1 (Returned): **3/10** Sadly this shape was the only mouse that I found quite uncomfortable. This shape is very wide and I would definitely not recommend to anyone with hands similar or smaller than mine. The left side of the mouse I found to be ok. On the right side I couldn't find a comfortable grip for my ring and pinky fingers with the wide front flare. The back of the mouse also felt too wide for my hands to comfortably grip. **Really consider the width and length of your hands before buying this.** Think you have to like a wide in-hand feel even if you have larger hands. Lack of any button grooves also really doesn't help for comfort. Hump of mouse does not feel super supportive despite the dimensions listing 39mm tall. The width of the hump makes it feel way shorter to me. OP1w 4k v2: **7.5/10** Highly recommend this shape for claw grip if you have small/medium hands. Feels much more comfortable and precise than the XM2 for me. From what I hear also a great fingertip grip choice for all hand sizes. Narrowness of mouse and not the most palm support make this mouse become a bit fatiguing after multiple hours of use. Still love the shape but feels like it only works for claw/fingertip for gaming/aim training. Wouldn't recommend for work/use outside of gaming. Not a safe recommendation for everyone. Unless you absolutely need the wireless version I would recommend the OP18k v2 instead since its lighter which would make a difference with how small and dense the shape is. Also is noticeably cheaper with the same build quality. Lamzu Inca (Returned then bought again): **9/10** You either love this mouse shape or hate it. Truly nothing like the Zowie ZA13 shape which this is a nearly 1:1 clone of. Perfect for all types of claw (relaxed, regular, aggressive/pincer). Shape is very supportive with a high rear hump and narrow waist on sides. If you enjoy OP1 shape but want something with much more rear palm support, this is for you. Downsides being it is basically an exclusive claw shape, you cannot palm this comfortably, maybe could fingertip with large hands. Also shape is very extreme and locked in which can sometimes feel too fatiguing or excessive when using outside of high precision gaming such as in Tactical FPS games. I actually bought this mouse twice. Returned it because I thought maybe it was too extreme but regretted and purchased a second time in a different color. If you have smaller/medium hands and want a very tailored experience for Claw grip gaming with ample palm support, definitely look here! Scyrox V6: **10/10** Wish I would have started with this mouse instead of buying everything else. I can safely recommend this shape to anyone who wants a smaller ambi mouse with ample palm support. It feels like a great blend between many different mice I reviewed here. Less extreme than the Inca which makes it suitable for palm grip to some extent or just a more relaxed claw. Feels like this is what the superlight should have been for me originally. If you have smaller hands than mine, I would recommend looking into the original shape this is based on, the G-Wolves Hati/HTS plus. The length of that mouse is a bit shorter but frankly I don't think the V6 is long enough to be uncomfortable for truly small hands. Zowie S2-DW (Returned): **7/10** Good fairly safe shape that feels more locked in than GPX Superlight. Mouse feels a bit too wide for longer periods of use and wish button height was lower in front. Didn't stand out amongst other options IMO. Zowie U2-DW: **8/10** Really unique shape that is great for a relaxed claw, claw, and even a hybrid palm grip. Has elements of ergonomic mice incorporated such as the inner thumb curve on the left side. Not as good overall IMO since the hump is fairly flat feeling but still gives adequate support. Also think front button height should be lower to be the most optimized for claw grip. Definitely took a few days of use to really click with the shape and find out how to grip comfortably. Razer Cobra Wired: **6/10** Had high hopes for this since I wanted something similar to Viper Mini but really feels like this mouse is designed for fingertip grip primarily, even more so than the original Viper mini. I never tried the Viper Mini but from the RTINGs 3D comparison tool and Eloshapes it looks like it is a bit narrower on the right side and has a taller hump that tapers off more abruptly on the sides. Shape just feels like its lacking a ton of palm support for my preference and grip style. Found a way to somewhat comfortably grip by adapting a palm/relaxed claw hybrid grip but overall not ideal for comfort IMO. For fingertip grip on a budget though I think its a really great option. # Mouse Coating: OP1w 4k v2: 10/10 | XM2w 4k v1: 10/10 | Razer Viper V3 Pro: 9/10 | Zowie U2-DW: 8.5/10| Zowie S2-DW: 8/10 | Lamzu Inca: 8/10 | Scyrox V6: 7/10 | G Pro X Superlight: 7.5/10 | Pulsar X2 Crazylight: 7/10 | Pulsar X2H v3 mini: 7/10 | Razer Cobra Wired: 4/10 (just textured plastic not rubberized like rest) # MB1/MB2 (Main Clicks): OP1w 4k v2: 10/10 | XM2w 4k v1: 10/10 | Razer Viper V3 Pro: 7/10 | Zowie U2-DW: 8/10 | Zowie S2-DW: 8/10 | Lamzu Inca: 8.5/10 | Scyrox V6: 9/10 | G Pro X Superlight: 6/10 | Pulsar X2 Crazylight: 8.5/10 | Pulsar X2H v3 mini: 6/10 | Razer Cobra Wired: 6/10 # Side Buttons: OP1w 4k v2: 8/10 | XM2w 4k v1: 9/10 | Razer Viper V3 Pro: 6.5/10 | Zowie U2-DW: 10/10 | Zowie S2-DW: 8/10 | Lamzu Inca: 7.5/10 | Scyrox V6: 6/10 | G Pro X Superlight: 2/10 (god awful) | Pulsar X2 Crazylight: 7.5/10 | Pulsar X2H v3 mini: 8/10 | Razer Cobra Wired: 5/10 # Scroll Wheel/Scroll Click: OP1w 4k v2: 8/10 | XM2w 4k v1: 8.5/10 | Razer Viper V3 Pro: 7/10 | Zowie U2-DW: 7/10| Zowie S2-DW: 7.5/10 | Lamzu Inca: 6/10 | Scyrox V6: 5/10 | G Pro X Superlight: 2/10 (god awful) | Pulsar X2 Crazylight: 10/10 | Pulsar X2H v3 mini: 10/10 | Razer Cobra Wired: 4/10 # Weight Density/Overall Weight Compared to Shape: OP1w 4k v2: 7/10 | XM2w 4k v1: 7.5/10 | Razer Viper V3 Pro: 9/10 | Zowie U2-DW: 8/10| Zowie S2-DW: 6/10 | Lamzu Inca: 10/10 | Scyrox V6: 10/10 | G Pro X Superlight: 7/10 | Pulsar X2 Crazylight: 10/10 ( too light for me but perfect for some) | Pulsar X2H v3 mini: 7/10 | Razer Cobra Wired: 6/10 # Stock Mouse Skates: OP1w 4k v2: 7/10 | XM2w 4k v1: 7.5/10 | Razer Viper V3 Pro: 9/10 | Zowie U2-DW: 10/10 | Zowie S2-DW: 9.5/10 | Lamzu Inca: 9/10 | Scyrox V6: 7/10 | G Pro X Superlight: 6/10 | Pulsar X2 Crazylight: 6.5/10 | Pulsar X2H v3 mini: 6.5/10 | Razer Cobra Wired: 6/10 # Software: OP1w 4k v2: 9/10 | XM2w 4k v1: 9/10 | Razer Viper V3 Pro: 3/10 (f\*ck Razer Synapse) | Zowie U2-DW: n/a | Zowie S2-DW: n/a | Lamzu Inca: 10/10 | Scyrox V6: 10/10 | G Pro X Superlight: 7/10 | Pulsar X2 Crazylight: 8/10 | Pulsar X2H v3 mini: 8/10 | Razer Cobra Wired: 3/10 (f\*ck Razer Synapse) If you made it to the end here thank you for reading!!! Basically learned a lot here and was fun but hope this can save you from making the same mistakes as me. Also there is no perfect mouse shape but I've learned you can definitely get really close to finding the right shape for you! Definitely highly recommend Lamzu and Scyrox mice, think they offer great build quality, shapes, performance, and overall value. FWIW it could be due to the great weight balance and shapes of the Lamzu Inca and Scyrox V6 but I truly feel like I am performing my best in-game and in Kovvaks using their PAW3950 sensor implementations and Omron optical switches. Every sensor was perfectly fine on all these mice reviewed with no issues. However, there does seem to be something so responsive about the Lamzu and Scyrox sensors to me.\\ Have to give huge props to Zowie though for coming up with so many of these iconic mouse shapes and also the DW series from Zowie felt the most premium of all of these options (their price reflects this though). If you love a particular Zowie shape they offer in the DW series and want a mouse that will last you forever I would say they are 100 percent worth the premium price. They feel like they could survive an explosion and the sensors felt super responsive. The click latency is slower on paper than all these other options but once again felt impossible for my Valorant Gold player skill-level to comprehend any difference in latency to the Endgame Gear OP1 or XM2 that lead the market in terms of click latency.

Op1w 4k V2 and Artisan Raiden mid / Zero soft

Yeah, I personally prefer the OP1W 4k since there's no reason for 8k polling since MC can't handle it and I prefer wireless. Op1 8k is great too. Also good to note that the xm2w 4k is also a solid option, just know which shape you prefer. Edit: I should've mentioned this but the OP1W and such mice are actually designed to be pro FPS mice and are lightweight. Personally I'd recommend using pulsar super grip tape with them, which makes it incredibly easy to drag click. I'm master in voltaic Kovaaks benchmarks with this mouse and can also get 20-40 CPS butterflying and drag clicking respectively.

Endgame OP1W 4k. I think the OP1W v2 is out for the same price now too.

Endgame OP1W 4k. I think the OP1W v2 is out for the same price now too.

Endgame gear op1 nice small mouse with hotswap feature Razer cobra decent small mouse with optical switch

Op1 and dav3 best value, the haste core is not

Op1 is really good

Quiet side buttons don't exist yet I recommend the Op1w 4k v2, superlight 2c, or the S2-DW

Superlight 2c is what I recommend for top tier small mouse second would be the Op1w 4k v2

Endgame gear op1 this mouse has a hotspot feature you can change the default switches into. A silent switch.

Too big i recommend the Op1w 4k, x2 cl.

Nice enjoy the Op1w 4k

I have tried Logitech, razer, Endgame gear, zowie mice and my experience with Logitech the g102 prodigy it's rock solid no issues with the clicks and scroll wheel the rubber scroll wheel deteriorated. Razer the dav2 mini, rvm, Dav3 wired and cobra wired, I had to rma my rvm 7 times knowing it uses a shit encoder my last razer mice are the cobra and dav3 and the quality improved a lot. Endgame gear op1 and zowie are the same they're sturdy but I'll give zowie an upper hand because they use an optical scroll wheel encoder.

OP1w v2 and Pulsar X2 Crazylight. for pads i swap between Artisan Zero Soft and Artisan Type99 Soft

Nice. I was debating, I wound up going with Op1w 4k v2, having the wireless was really important for me, I think I’m going to stick with mostly wireless going forward.

Viper v2pro v3pro.(V2 best shape, V3 "safe" shape) *best sensor imo/from experience, no debounce delay* Super light 2. *Good sensor and no debounce delay.* Op1 8k (cable) or wireless 4k. *Fastest clicks, it registers the click before you hear the click sound. Good sensor.* My favorite of them all, G-wolf HTR 8k pro. Tiny mouse At 26g, I'm 6'4 and can use this little thing without any issues. But I would recommend the Endgame gear OP1 8k, Great shape, great coating for grip even with sweaty hands, fastest clicks of any mouse due to their own switches and good sensor. Light weight software (*no install*). Good price.

Endgame Gear OP1w 4k if you want a smaller mouse or XM2w 4k if you want a larger mouse. Both have wired options available if you don't mind having a wire (and the OP1 has much cheaper versions if you don't care for more than 1k polling rates). Just don't get the "we" versions as these ones have pretty shitty optical switches.

Anti-Cheat systems don't detect side buttons as cheating. Your mouse is for basic office use so I am not surprised it has issues with precision. I can recommend endgame gear mice. Either get the OP1w or the XM2w if you want more stability. The wired versions are also worth considering if the wire doesn't bother you.

OP1w 4k and artisan raiden arrived yesterday and the combo already feels much better than what ive ever used.

Op1w 4k would be my recommendation. Best shape on the market right now for claw grip.

Try the op1 w4k, I enjoy using it. It's not bad at all means so if you really don't want a wired, give it a go. It's a banger either way, I'm just saying from my personal experience if the v2 version knocks the weight down, it's #1 mouse of all time.

Op1w 4k on sale on Amazon right now for $87 USD, not sure if that translates to £. I know the OP1 mice get shilled a lot here but it's kinda similar to the mouse you mentioned. G wolves htx ultra 8k also similar but a more premium price tag. Pulsar X2 has a bunch of similar stuff as well. None of them are like perfect replacements if you want the same exact thing but they are accessible I think if you are trying to get something in two days lol. Idk if the UK has actual gaming stores you can go into like micro center in the states. Edit: it was a different gwolves mouse I saw on Amazon

Op1w 4k or op18k if you dont mind a wire, if you get lucky with g wolves qc then hati s plus 8k

Good video, recently just bought the op1w 4k as an upgrade from my gpx so I'm glad to hear the op1 is a nice mouse.

Thanks for Update of the post with nYour hand size. For Your small hand 16x9 cm I would suggest - do not look on Superlights and Vipers, it will be big for Your hand, at least to to the local store and check it Yourseves (do not listen anybody). For Your hand and from Your list I would suggest 119 mm long Vaxee ZYGEN NP-01S v2. You can add to Your list 119 mm Zowie EC3-CW Small, EndGame Gear OP1W 4K, Sora V2. Even these 4 mouses can be slightly big for Your hand

op1 if you want a rounder feeling hump in your palm, and the sora if you want high and wide feeling in your palm. I'd say don't go for the x2h since it's really bulky, rounded, and aggressive in your palm unless you like it (just grip a ping pong ball in your palm if you're curious), and for the viper v3 pro well the button heigh would be too high tbh and the overall size isn't that good for your handsize unless you do relax claw so just skip that I'd say.

I'm way too many mice deep now, G305 was my favorite in 2019, mice tech started getting better and better so I started collecting mice and getting 3D printed ones from PMM and shit even but still today the G305 and Prime Mini wireless is still my favorite shapes aim wise. I love the Vaxee XE-S, OP1 4k, and Mad R Major for aiming, but the way the G305 tapers inward on the front + the curved sides lets me lift it more naturally and gives more fine control/freedom playing at low sens. Even 3D printed a G305 modkit to put Viper V2 internals in so I could use it at 2000/4000 hz but my print was scuffed lol. Mchose G3 Ultra is sick but it's slighter bigger and throws me off a lil. Recently though I got that Attack Shark G3 that came out and I love it even though that sensor is a bit slower, it's like a slightly smaller G305. Dream is still to get Vaxee / OP1 wireless latency in a G305 🙏

We have almost the same hand size. I play these games as well. As a former G Pro Wireless enjoyer, I can recommend the GPX 2. I tried every mainstream mouse. Viper V3 Pro, GPX 1 and 2, Lamzu Maya 8K, OP1W 4K, XM2W 4K, Zowie-S2 DW, Beast X Pro. I can say that when it comes to jack of all trades, the GPX is my main. The factor that I used the form of it for 3-4 yrs is important to note. BUT out of all these mice the OP1W 4K was the closest when it comes to perform all of these games. I was even better at tracking and target switching in COD with this mouse. But in CS2 the GPX was the most consistent for me. I hope I could give some help buddie!

hey, I main the op1 4k. It was not in my options at the time, but I tried some smaller mice at a friends house and ended up choosing the op1 as I was going to get an endgame gear mouse anyways. Honestly Iove this mouse and the build quality (battery life, coatin,g etc) is great. The software is straightforward. Overall, the mouse is well made with literally no complications and a very nice neutral ish shape ( fits my hand well for reference, I play a relaxed claw).

op1w 4k is probably the best option 

Hitscan Hyperlight is a great 40g claw grip mouse. I’ve used mine as my main ever since I’ve got it. Also the OP1w 4k is another great small claw grip mouse. I have both and they’re both amazing.

Can’t go wrong with OP1w 4k or OP1 8k

I’ve used about 50+ mice in total over the years, and honestly it is down to personal preference due to the shape being the biggest factor. My all-time favourites for me personally are the OP1w 4k and Pulsar X2H; this is probably due to me having small hands, 16.5x9.

I have the same grip and am 18x8.5. I like the Atlantis Mini and Pulsar X2 Crazylight mini. Both of these have had good QC in my experience and seem to have similar reports online from others. They're pretty similar; I mainly use my X2 for tracking games like Apex and my Atlantis for clicking/flicking stuff like tac shooters and MOBAs. Pros of X2: * better clicks * more tactile scroll wheel * lighter Pros of Atlantis: * scroll wheel takes less effort (pro in my case for tap strafing in Apex but could be a con if you use scroll to cycle your inventory in games) * more forward sensor position (pro/con depending on your preference) I've tried the Endgame gear op1w and didn't like how narrow it was. Superlight 2 was too big for me. Beast X mini was too small. Pulsar X2h basically same shape as X2 but I didnt like that the hump was higher. Viper mini I like the shape but its kinda outdated (and the signature edition so hard to find)

I’ve been using Pulsar mice since the original X2 and the Xlite v3 was finally a mouse where quality was good enough that I could recommend to others. X2 V1 had double clicking issues, even on later batches. Rather than fix that and allow buyers to RMA, they released a V2 instead that people had to re-buy. X2H had the worst clicks of any mouse I’ve ever tried. They then finally released a good mouse in the Xlite V3 but at this point, I’ve just gone for the OP1w 4K and won’t be buying from Pulsar again.

I am really happy with my OP1w 4k. I also tried gwolves hts+ 4k and i like it but I heard about some quality issues with gwolves

I have op1w and I already know I found my endgame mouse, I m waiting for some hot-swappable mouse switches just for fun.

Op1w 4k + wallhack sp004 Miku Have in rotation a few other mice but the op1 stays on the desk most of the time

Get an op1 8k purple frost, it's pre-binned with lighter switches than the regular op1 8k, which is already lighter than the op1we. Or wait for op1w 4k which should be coming any minute now if you can't stand a wire

Op1 w4k wireless or wired op1 8k. Best build quality and performance

As a small mouse enjoyer, I love my op1w 4k. I've also have a hitscan hyperlight which is more agile and fingertip friendly due to it's narrower back and mid hump. My atk f1 pro extreme is better at claw due to the more back hump and slightly wider back. Both the hyperlight and f1 have been superseded by my new Trinity CF since I like a bit higher profile on the front of the mouse to rest my ring finger. Unfortunately my unit has some side to side wiggle on mouse 1 so I'm trying to RMA it.

17cm x 8cm. Op1w 4k is my favorite since I like narrow nice. It’s really controllable. 

i would not recommend pulsar mice for narrow hands. my hands are longer than OP's but i have the same width he does and my X2h mini just feels a little too wide for my liking. id highly consider the op1 4k

Recently got the WL Mouse Beast Pro X Tempered after wanting another ULX but not wanting to deal with terrible QC again. The mouse feels really good and I'm thoroughly enjoying, it might even become my main! I don't normally do reviews but if I was to quickly go through the main points of a mice it would be as follows. Clicks - Feel pretty good, probably the 2nd best omron opticals I've felt right behind the Hitscan Hyperlight. I wish they were slightly lighter but they are not heavy at all. OP1 still has the best clicks for me, compared to the ULX they don't feel as spammable but I honestly prefer them over the ULX. Coating - Better than I expected, I thought this mouse was going to be slippery but it's really not that bad although I would probably use mouse grips with it but I'm trying not to because I like the way it looks as is. Coating is much better than the ULX where I feel like my fingers slide all over that mouse. Shape - This is why you would get this mouse, this shape is such a good shape. I play fingertip / claw grip with 19x10 hand size and this shape is just so good for that. The slight indent on the left side lets you dig your thumb in and have really good control of the mouse. I don't enjoy super small fingertip mice so along with the Hitscan Hyperlight this is up there with my favorite "fingertip" mice for me. Build Quality - This is why you would get this mouse over the ULX. The build quality is so much better than the ULX. There's no flexing, creaking, or anything like that just a normal solid mouse. Overall I highly recommend this mouse especially if you are someone who wants a finalmouse ULX. I really would say to just get this mouse instead as it just makes so much more sense. Mice in background (left to right) - Pulsar X2, ULX, Lamzu Maya X, OP1w 4k, Pulsar X2 Crazylight, Hitscan Hyperlight.

I don't use the OP1 too much because I don't think the shape is for me, it's much too narrow for me and it hurts my hand. Mouse feels amazing to use besides that though.

Op1w > literally every other mouse for claw

You have the OP1W if you don’t like wires. Their upcoming V2 line will feauture a 3950 sensor too.

I have the wireless version and absolutely love it. It's a really good mouse and this is coming from someone who has a fuck ton of mice. I find the op1 a touch too small and the xm2 a touch too big so I got the vaxee x sora as it literally right in between those 2 mice as size goes, and I think vaxee has one of the best wireless implementations in the mice industry, which imo, plays a really big role in wireless mice, which often people over look. Good wireless performance will make a mouse feel like it has a better sensor than its competitor if they don't have as good of a wireless implementation. I barley noticed a difference between my Vaxee.X Sora and my OP1, so endgame gear passes the test there. I would rank the OP1 an S tier mouse, with a top of the line sensor. the v2 is probably a 3950 sensor as the V1 is a 3395 sensor. Even though you got the wired version, the wireless also has great wireless implementation, at least the op1 w 4k does imo. I highly recommend the mouse and below are my reasons to why the OP1 is Great, shape wise. Unfortunately, the Vaxee x Sora has a much wider back than I anticipated. Elo shapes can only help so much with predicting how a mouse shape will feel. The vaxee x Sora is a perfect XM2w 4k clone that's a touch smaller in my opinion. The OP1 is also very similar in shape but where the difference lies is the mouse has a more narrow rear. the Xm2, Vaxee X Sora, and OP1 all are identical claw shaped mice, in a small, medium, large format. but I think the OP1 has a slight difference from the XM2 and Vaxee Sora, and that is the OP1 has a more narrow rear, while the XM2 and Sora have a wide rear that fills out your palm more. The OP1 having a more narrow rear than the Xm2 and Sora, allows for easier micro adjustments in my hand. You see, Palm contact is Great for stability, and no palm contact and just fingers is great for micro adjustments. The XM2 and Sora having a wide rear, and being more wide all around, fatigues my hand more and makes too much contact with the sides of my palm, giving too much stability, and I can't make as seamless micro adjustments with my fingers as I can with the op1 4k. The OP1 still has a high rear, but it's just more narrow, allowing those side areas to be hollow in my palm, so I can make micro adjustments with the OP1 without it getting snagged on the edges of my hand, all while still have a high rear so I can still make contact with the top of my palm for when I need stability.

They do make a ton of mice like that. You need to look for mice that are specifically made for claw grip. Pulsar X2 or X2H is like that. Endgame gear OP1 or XM2 are also like that. Sora v1 , or Vaxee X Sora are also like that. I'm sure there plenty more that I can't think of from the top of my head. The hour glass gives your fingers better leverage to really handle the mouse but yea, if your hands are too big or small for the mouse, it can cause issues. I honestly would say the Logitech GPX has a very very subtle hour glass, that it will probably feel pretty flat on the sides for you, it's one of the safest first mice for a reason. Asus harpe ace if I remember correctly is also pretty flat on the sides, it's shaped like a Logitech GPX but just longer.

First day using the EG OP1 v2 (ZOWIE GSR mousepad)—- very impressed with the build quality and clicks latency. Mainly playing CS2. Hand size 19 x 10cm. Tried a number of mouse before this — VV3 pro, Gpx 2, lamzu maya x 8k and regular size; scyrox v6 & 8; Pulsar X2v2 mini and the newer Crazylight. Didnt have an issue even with the reviews that I see that this mouse is uncomfortable with it’s shape for longer periods of playing. So far I found it the best and superior than all of the listed ones. Easier to track and flick. Sensor response is top notch. Love that it’s small but stable with it’s weight. Prevents over shooting and more stable for micro correction.

The weight is perfect actually. Tried the pulsar crazylight and scyrox v6/v8 which are <40g. For games like valorant and cs2, the op1s weight gives better stability during microadjustments or holding angles. Replaced them with the bigger skates that came with it. Control is top notch. I keep debating bet. Superlight 2 vs the OP1. I have a fingertip/claw grip and the op1 gives me more confidence in game.

I tried the crazy superlight and the regular xlite v4 mini. I prefer the op1.

Bruh, it's kind of sad I can't say much, because I came from a Logitech G102. Maybe I can't tell the difference yet, but after just 30 minutes, I'm in love with the shape. I think.

Yes, my hands are kind of small; I really like the shape.

After using the V2 for a while, I tried to adjust a bit since I came from a G102. While I really like the back of the mouse, the front feels a bit narrow. I think it suits a claw grip, but I don't always use claw. I'm still trying to adjust, but overall, I really like it.

The weight is enough to give a little stability but not enough to slow you down in any sort of significant way. The mouse does feel “denser” than what I’m used to but it’s just a psychological thing

Go to Microcenter and try a couple diff shapes out. Or look online and see what shapes other people like for their style. Claw / fingertip / palm. Check length of your hands you really care. I had a deathadder and just switched to ENDgame Op1. Feels amazing

OP1, XM1. There are rgb versions with a tad more weight if you want that at all, but since you're casually gaming then the base model is fine and you won't need 8k polling.

two different mice. look at the comma. [Op1](https://www.endgamegear.com/en-us/op1-series) [Xm1](https://www.endgamegear.com/en-us/xm1-series)

Harpe might be a better pick than the rest, OP1 is nice for the shape, my homie has the OP1we paired with the Hone Ace mousepad and holy fuck my wrist might get fucked 😂😂

This is a fun assignment, maybe EGG OP1 for claw and fortnite. Roccat Kone Pro for moba (not really). Rocket Jump Ninja mouse for fingertip.

Yes, you can't go wrong with the basic OP1 model.

You might like the OP1 series from Endgame gear, they're very narrow. Keep on gaming brother

I’m currently using a g203 wired mouse (big mistake), after 2-3 years it started to double click alot, and when I scroll it usually goes the opposite direction of what I want. It’s really unusable now so I’m looking for a better and more durable mouse that I can use for years, no double clicking, no scrolling problems, no need for any fancy stuff just a good durable mouse with 2 side buttons for gaming. My budget is around 50 bucks but if the mouse is worth it I can go for more. I’ve been looking around online and found the XM1r to be a pretty sturdy and reliable-looking mouse. But I really don’t know much about mouse so I’m looking forward to hear your suggestions.

Thank you. I’m definitely going with the op1 then since it’s really well praised by most people on this thread, I would love such a durable and quality mouse.

That is good to know, I mainly have an issue with my scroll wheel on my old mouse (it keeps scrolling the wrong way and the middle click works like 50% of the time) so I’m looking for a mouse that can work well for a long time, and alot of people showed me that the op1 is probably the best choice for my budget.

Yeah I’ve just taken a look at it and it seems very nice, this is probably the best one for my budget, might I ask what is the difference between the OP1 and OP1we version other than the wire, since it’s a 30 euro difference so I will probably go with the wired version if it’s the same.

I’m definitely going for the op1 then, I do not mind the wire and actually prefer them tbh. Everyone seem to really recommend it too so it’s probably a no-brainer atp. Thank you for your help.

Oh the scroll wheel is something I really must consider, since my current mouse cannot scroll correctly and clicking the mmb rarely works, it’s really annoying to use. I really hope it’s just a rare case and not a common occurrence. Thank you for the heads up.

I think I’ll go for the op1, Endgame Gear seems to really be reliable in terms of quality from what I’ve heard.

Thanks. I was considering the xm1 first but then people really love and recommend the op1 more, is it a newer mouse compared to xm1? Also I’m looking for a mouse that have good mouse buttons, and mainly a scroll wheel that won’t have any issues since my current mouse scroll is making it unusable (it keeps scrolling the wrong direction and clicking the mmb works only half the time). So for now it seems like op1 is the best fit for my budget.

Yeah guess it’s kinda steering me towards getting an op1 now, I didn’t really understand much about mouse back then but now I’ll probably avoid logitech mouse.

Around 50 dollars is the most comfortable range for me, but if the mouse is really worth it I can try 10 dollars more.

Yep definitely avoiding logitech mouse from now on, from the help I received from this thread, the best mouse for around 50 dollars is the op1 by Endgame Gear. I did some self research and their mouse are very durable and the quality is top notch, so this seems like the best choice if you wanna buy a new mouse.

Endgame gear got you covered. Eighter with the op1 , or the xm2we. I have the second and it's a tank.

Although it's true that mechanical switched develop double clicking, with modern mechanical switches it doesn't happen as quickly as with older mice (like the g203). If you want, the xm2we has optical switches, and doesn't cost more than the op1 8k.

The scroll wheel thingy it's probably the only flaw in some endgame gear mice, they don't use the bests ttc encoders (the thingy necessary for the scroll wheel to do scroll wheel things). As for the exit for the op2 V2, I have no idea for when it will come out, but endgame is not known for releasing stuff on time, so if you want to risk it, wait for the V2, or you can just get one other op1 now. The possibility of the scroll wheel dying again is rather low.

Razer Deathadder v3 hyperspeed is small, sleek, lightweight and all performance. no RGB. Others I’d recommend as others mentioned is Ninjutso Sora V2, Hitscan Hyperlight and Endgame OP1

I highly recommend checking out Pulsar's options! There's the X2A which will give you 4 side buttons that are programmable. Their wireless options are also very good, without any blatant input lag. The cables are also way nicer than I've seen from Razer or Logitech, I had a Viper mini awhile back, but had to return it because it felt cheap and the cable was so stiff it'd push the mouse on its own. All of their mice have mini versions which have been perfect for my hands, which are pretty small. There's also the Coolermaster MM711, It's very small and comfy, and has a top of the line sensor for a pretty cheap price. Also if you can find it, the HK Gaming Mira S is nice, and it comes in some different colorways other than just the plain old black or white. Logitech and Razer have some nice offerings, but personally I'd avoid them. Logitech's offerings are genuinely good but their higher end options are crazy expensive compared to other brands. Razer has just always been overhyped in my experience. I've had half a dozen mice from them and each and every one has just been *okay* while being 2x the price of lesser-known brands that give you the same performance with higher quality plastics, and software that doesn't use up a bunch of background resources :/ Also honourable mention to endgame gear, the OP1 might be a nice fit for you, it's a smidge bigger than the Pulsar X2H mini -which is what I currently use- but it's still fairly small compared to most mice.

Anyone that is wanting a great mouse, I recommend Endgame Gear Op1 or Op1 8k (8k polling rate is overkill and requires alot alot of processing power) These mice are affordable on any budget, and the performance you get with them is as good or better than it's competitors. One could argue that it is better than it's competitors in every aspect.

try the endgame gear OP1, it is a really good small and light mouse for FPS games. The RGB version is still on sale on amazon for 35€ here in germany.

And add a dpi button on top!

Yeah, I really like the op1, broken several personal records with it, just can't play without that extra button on top, hard to find a wired mouse with recent sensor and that illusive extra button.

I have an 80he and the OP1 XM1. If you have small hands go with OP1 8k. Great mice if you like wired like me.