Endgame Gear - XM1r Gaming Mouse

I had double clicking on my lmb on my xm1r but after weeks of troubleshooting it kinda just fixed itself and it's been 2 years now so I'm probably in the clear

for small-medium sized hands i recommend g102 (or w/e the equivalent in US is called) and xm1r both similar in shape with very good and precise sensor

I did have an XM1r but it's a little too long for me, I technically never use my palm for mousing, only my fingers and knuckles are involved, so I want something short but wide.

Exactly, I had the xm1r and xm2we for multiple years but after getting the mad r I dont see myself ever going back to a mouse above 50g. Its like monitors for me, once youve tried 240hz theres no going back.

i have used the xm1r, op1, and op1 8k v1, all of them are very good build quality wise, looks like you are in bad luck imo.

Have you tried an XM1R?

It would be the right size if he clawed it, finding a palm mouse at this size is rough.

In my opinion endgame gear are solid, I had my xm1r from release until now and it’s still rocking solidly, and never had an issue with any of mine, and my nephew has thrown them around…

I had First the xm1r endgame, then g pro.. going back to endgame now the shape as well the clicks are so nice

Alright, so, I have a question. Maybe I missed something, idk, but I'm wondering why literally ALL the new good mice are wireless: The deathadder V4 pro just come out, and there's no wired version. The superlight and superlight 2 have no wired version, pulsar mice are almost all wireless, ROG gaming mice are wireless, corsair's only good mouse is wireless, etc... I don't understand why ALL brands have to make wireless mice nowadays, and why people prefer wireless mice so much. Nobody does 360s with their mouse, nobody games 3 meters away from the pc. However, a lot of people think that they're bad at games because their mouse is wired. In addition, new hyperflex wires are unnoticeable (such as the one used on the Pulsefire Haste II) and I'm sure that, if you take someone who hates wired mice, he won't even make the difference between the Deathadder v3 and the v3 pro if he's blindfolded. Wired mice are lighter, cheaper, and more reliable, whereas wireless mice have shorter lifetime due to the [battery](https://www.electrochem.org/why-your-battery-doesnt-last-forever), are more expensive and require more advanced technology to achieve 8Khz. Plus, you have to charge them every week or buy a $100 charging mousepad to keep it charged 24/7. That's otherworldly dumb. And please don't fall for the latency dogma. That's super dumb. Humans' reaction time is around 200ms, so a 0.5ms or 1ms mouse latency will NOT make you worse at gaming, trust me. If you lose fights, that's your fault, not the mouse latency's fault. Like, the only good wired mice I can think of are the [Deathadder V3](https://www.reddit.com/r/razer/comments/yyoauq/deathadder_v3_scroll_wheel_issue_mouse_jumping/), the [Viper 8Khz](https://insider.razer.com/razer-support-45/razer-viper-8k-mouse-wheel-problem-50467), the [Pulsefire Haste II](https://www.reddit.com/r/HyperX/comments/14svxyx/hyper_x_pulsefire_haste_2wired_scroll_wheel_issues/) and the [xm1r](https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/pr4ui5/xm1r_scroll_wheel_bug/). EDIT: As some people pointed out to me, the [op1 8k](https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/1cg0c66/op1we_scroll_wheel_issue/) is also super decent. I'm not saying that wired mice are better, I'm just saying that I prefer them and I think that they're just as good as wireless mice. So uhm, if you know why good brands stopped making wired mice, or even give me your opinion about wireless mice, feel free to lmk !

if u come from g305 i would go xmr1, mouse is solid like a rock from 40 mice i haven't touched anything that is polished like that and the shape is just a better g305

if you want the "best" mouse and you mention fps i assume you looking for the best aim experience with a solid qc in that case i would just get a dav3 wired for palm or xmr1-2 wired for claw,not into finger tip, second hand you can pick them even below your budget up, dont say i warned u about cheap chinese mice when you get one and you back in this sub in a week, because those dont hold up interms of qc, coating or have flawless sensor implementation

would call xmr1 the best claw grip mouse, but its similar in size to the g203 so prob to small for your likings i assume, could go waizowl cloud its like an oversized xmr1 if you want something bigger

Right now you get can the XM1 RGB and XM1r GLOSSY both $30 on amazon. I went with the RBG even though it's heavier because I would rather use a 200gram mouse than a glossy mouse. The build quality is easily the best in my collection, makes the GPX feel like it was made by glorious. Also 82 grams is by no means heavy, it wasn't that long ago the g203 at 85 grams was one of the lightest mice you could get. If you're coming from a g203 though you might like the Razer Orochi. I picked up the hello kitty model for my wife for $30 on ebay and not kinda lie I kinda love it. Sometimes when she goes to bed early I'll grab it from her desk and run a few games of CS2 with it. If you're just after build quality though definitely check out the XM1. If you like the g203 shape the MCHOSE G3 is worth looking into, the chinese mice aren't bad at all and it definitely is gonna have better build quality than the horrific g305.

Right now you get can the XM1 RGB and XM1r GLOSSY both $30 on amazon. I went with the RBG even though it's heavier because I would rather use a 200gram mouse than a glossy mouse. The build quality is easily the best in my collection, makes the GPX feel like it was made by glorious. Also 82 grams is by no means heavy, it wasn't that long ago the g203 at 85 grams was one of the lightest mice you could get. If you're coming from a g203 though you might like the Razer Orochi. I picked up the hello kitty model for my wife for $30 on ebay and not kinda lie I kinda love it. Sometimes when she goes to bed early I'll grab it from her desk and run a few games of CS2 with it. If you're just after build quality though definitely check out the XM1. If you like the g203 shape the MCHOSE G3 is worth looking into, the chinese mice aren't bad at all and it definitely is gonna have better build quality than the horrific g305.

I was in the same boat a few months ago and ended up going with the Razer Viper V3 Pro. It’s been fantastic. Super light, no noticeable latency, and the new sensor is dead accurate. I was skeptical about wireless for years, but honestly, it feels just as fast as wired now. I also tried the Pulsar X2H Wireless and it’s a solid option too, especially for the price. Great shape if you claw or fingertip. If you’re on a tighter budget or just prefer wired, I still think the XM1r holds up really well. But wireless is the way to go these days IMO, tech’s caught up.

For me it’s a toss up between my old main the Razer Viper Ultimate and my current main the Lamzu Maya X. For the Viper I loved the flat hump that it has and it fit perfectly into my general gaming setup at the time. I’m still chasing that feeling of flatness for fingertip that i cant find on any other mice (no i will not buy the v2) As for the Maya X It gave the same feeling as the viper ultimate mixed with the GPX which was another old mouse that i mained but didnt like quite as much as the viper. I still swap around between these 2 as I use the maya for FPS and my 5 y/o viper for more general use and gaming (mobas and rpgs) Honorable mention to the Endgame Gear XM1r that i thoroughly enjoyed for both fps and moba gaming as it gave me that kinda same flatness for fingertip of the viper ultimate but with the security of the high back hump for an aggressive claw grip for when i play fps.

Honestly, I started with a Viper Mini and MP510 I’ve not become better while having all these new peripherals 20+ mice and mousepads. Of course I’m better than 5 years ago lol, but aim training and just playing the games I like has helped much more than peripheral changes. I went from a Viper Mini 5 years ago to a Hitscan Hyperlight (similar shape) basically went full circle lol. Even tried the XM1 that you have but it was too large for my hand, but it felt very premium to me at the time.

I've been looking at the OP1 for some time but it seems too similar to the M42 which I had and felt too small. I had the XM1 and loved it but felt a tad too big, would you say 17.5x10 hands are medium or on the large side?

Same grip and \~same hand size, started gaming long time ago with the first G502.. then when Logitech made G PRO (G305) shape.. I got the Prodigy one, G203 and used that for a long time. Looking for a lighter replacement I tried: \- XM1 (good shape, great coating, but slightly large, back hump too big, definitely worth trying) \- OP1 (way to narrow, not for me) \- All the Zowies, ended up using for a short time EC-3 (issue: no micro adjustments), ZA-13 (back hump too high) \- GPX 2.. not bad but for some reason can't find a good grip... also, slippery, sold. I'll try the smaller 2 C \- G303 SE, great if it wasn't so big (still use it regularly at work) but G305 has better shape. \- MZ1 awesome.. just unreliable and a liiiiitle bit too small. \- Viper Mini = No! \- G403 that hump's huge. Now trying Mchose L7 Ultra and G3 Ultra... You (me also) want a mouse small enough that let you do micro adjustments with your fingers, it also must have some support where that small palm part touch it. G305 is great at this because you can freely move the mouse, that slightly tilted sides let fingers grab it easily, and when you press it against your palm you have enough support. If I have to pick a mouse right now for the next years, shapewise G305.. Can't understand why Logitech have not yet released a superlight version and is milking with no end the GPX shape.. Think about not buying a mouse because a pro use it but buy it if it suits you, that's what counts.

I have 21cm length hands, XM1 is too thick, OP1 is fine to fingertip. I have both and many other fingertip mice.

Yea the xm1 is a biiit too wide in the back. And the op1 is too thin in the middle. I kinda wanna try the x2 small as well, what do you think ?

I have an 80he and the OP1 XM1. If you have small hands go with OP1 8k. Great mice if you like wired like me.