Endgame Gear - XM2 8k

I adore mine. It feels like a slightly larger OP18K and just has a fantastic overall feel to it. For the price and performance it's absurdly solid. I'm huge into budget mice and love Lethal.gg as a company and it's easily one of the top ones out there in shape and performance.

EGG XM2w 4k or XM2 8k are s-tier. They feel so fricking good to play with.

Viper v3 pro would probably be fine, but it's definitely big. You might be more comfortable on a lamzu Maya, egg Xm2 or op1, or hitscan hyper light. People rave about zowie as well, I just don't know them well enough to recommend a specific model. People also love Scyrox, except some people complain that they do not implement the sensor very well. I would investigate more. It might be a great choice for you. One key thing to know is that every single mouse these days uses the same 2-3 sensors and 2-3 processors. Those sensors and processors have a baseline capability, so really performance on mice these days is just a non-issue. Some companies create firmware that works better than others (hence why people complain that the same sensor feels worse or better on one mouse than another), but ultimately the most important feature is *shape*: How it feels in your hand, how it feels to move on the surface of your mousepad. Also, consistent reports and reviews of good build quality is important. Research is the best way to find what you like! I personally ordered multiple and kept the one I liked the most. Just make sure where you're buying has good return policy if you do that.

I have big hands, slightly bigger than yours and almost exactly the same grip. I have a Viper v3 pro but I prefer and main the XM2 from Endgame Gear. The shape is S-tier, you won't regret it.

It sounds like they want an ergonomic shape based on their current mouse and the ones you're looking at. Sounds like you're okay with wired mice. I'd throw the Deathadder V3 wired in the mix as an affordable ergo though might not be the best for smaller hands. If they are open to Wireless options, I have a [Retro Xlite V2](https://www.pulsar.gg/products/xlite-v2-retro-brown?variant=44194578137342) that I would be okay parting ways with in your budget range if you want to DM me. If they don't care about ergonomic mouse shapes then the OP1 8k or XM2 8k are both phenomenal wired options at a great price though a little higher than the price of the mice you listed. Also good for smaller hands.

you seem to be a few years late. there are now the xm2 8k, and the op1 8k, and op1 8k v2(which i would consider as the best mouse) the thing about a cable is that many people are bothered by them, and on ultra light weight mice(<30g) you can tell that the cable is there. and for low sens players, it also bothers them as you can feel the cable move during fast flicks. source. i used to use really low sens(55cm/360) and i removed the battery from my vxe r1 se as it was shit. and the cable is super flexible, and it didnt bother me, but during fast flicks, it would. now that i use a moderate sens(32-37cm/360) it doesnt bother me at all. and why use a wired mouse, when wireless mice can now weigh 35g and have decent battery life with minimal input latency

op1 is gonna be a big change from a dav2, i would check out the xm2 8k instead as it would be easier to adjust to but if you wanna stick with familiarity the dav3 wired is a solid option

op18k, if its too small return and get xm28k

Xm2 8k or op1 8k depending on your hand size or grip preference. Get a bungee, the wire is chill.

For sure, XM2 is definitely the way to go if you have larger hands. I see people talk way more about the OP1 8k than the XM2 8k, I don't know if most people have small hands or people just like really small mice, but I find the XM2 far more comfortable.

I second this. really good mouse

Xm2 8k its wired but the best performance for affordable price only downside is that its wired

Honestly, for wired mice nowadays, the absolute best you can get are the OP1 8k and the XM2 8k. The Razer Deathadder v3 is pretty good too I've heard, but it depends on your preferred grip and your hand size though.

It's only problem on razer's deathadder v3 pro and viper v2 pro and they probably fixed it in new versions. If you still have gwarannty you can do rma. If you want new mouse i reccomend you endgame gear xm2 8k or op1 8k if wired. If wireless there's many options, if you liked viper v2 pro i reccomend you viper v3 pro.

xm2 8k guys try wired first because its cheaper once shape will fit you then this is your main 100%.

I’m 21x11 and claw I use the Maya x comfortably probably the best light weight option or xm2 8k viper v3 pro beast x max all work comfortably you hands are wide but not that long

i have op1 8k and xm2 8k, 19 x 10 hands too. i feel like you can have a wider range of grips on the op1 8k due to the straight sides, i really don't find it too small to the point where i get hand cramps.

is there an option for you to buy both on amazon and return the one you don't like as much? I bought the xm2 first but got too curious and wanted to try the op1 and ended up preferring how it felt in my hand

highly recommend xm2 8k, op1 will likely be too small if g305 is too small. xm2 is great for claw, less so for palm

Not the same shape.. also, the sides of the xm2 don't go over the buttons, meaning I will endlessly press it when I didn't intend to. You can even see it on eloshapes: https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=endgame-gear-op1-vs.-endgame-gear-xm2-8k

For cost to performance you can't beat endgame gear Check out the xm2 8k and op18k

i have same hand size same grip, i tried superlight and it was too awkward feeling couldnt get a good grip, im currently on an ec2-c atm but i recently tried about 20 different mice and so far the xm2 8k - zowie fk2- zowie fk1+- and maya X were my favourite. mainable end game mouse would be Maya X and xm2 8k forsure. \*edit i forgot to mention the deathadder v3 wired that i own is extremely comfortable shape and suits this grip exceptionally well. my copy personally just had a mouse click issue but if it didnt i would probably be using it over the ec2-c atm

He’s talking about people who gives props to the G Pro superlight even though it’s history backs up the hype it has. My vote though is a Lamzu Atlantis OG or endgame gear xm2 8k

Xm2w or xm2 8k, you never mentioned your hand size so I can’t say for sure but it’s one of the best claw grip mice out there.

I don’t recommend or agree with those referring to the op1 8k because the mouse is a lot smaller in hands than the g203/g305. Xm2 8k is a better fit for you since it is a bit more wide and longer than the g305.

People that recommend the Viper Mini either havent tried it themselves or dont know better, that cable is stiff, thick so its not even compatible with mouse bungees I wouldn't subject a friend to that. The minimum I'd pay for a wired mouse with an actually good cable is around 2k for the Wired Razer and Pulsar options (Razer Deathadder V3 and Pulsar X2/X2H/Xlite Wired) and max at 3k-4k for the 8k options from Endgame Gear with good wired cables as well (OP1 8k and XM2 8k) at 1k the only reasonable option is VXE R1, whatever version you can get (avoid pro max, switches suck)

Endgame gear xm2 8k is the Best mouse ive ever bought

I just switched my grip so I could use the egg xm2. Nothing actually fits my hand

yeah i did. its now pretty aggressive but im used to it now that i stopped trying to find something that would work and suit my needs. i have a trackball if im not gaming too so that helps

no idea why youre locked in to those 2 brands. endgame gear makes the op1 8k and the xm2 8k, both are symmetrical and the wired versions come in under $90. aside from initial setup you can get rid of the software too because it saves to the mouse. also you wont notice the wire, its that good. as others have mentioned the deathadder also comes in a wired version under $80, but it isnt symmetrical

21x11 hands here No mouse will fit me well, so I adjusted my trip to a claw and now I use the egg xm2 8k. I would like something closer to the zowie fk1+ but nothing modern exists close to that shape and size

Hand size: 21x11 My main mouse is the xm2 8k. Since finding a light palm grip ergo mouse is impossible for me, I decided to go for a claw grip. It hasn't been as big a detriment to my aim as I thought it would be. I can grab the hips of the mouse and really press it into my wrist though so that's probably helping me

I'm in the same boat. I now force a claw grip so I can use the xm2 8k. Something with a really wide back and a narrow middle help me keep my grip on it

Op1 8K is great but also kinda small for me but Xm2 8K would be in consideration if I was looking to buy a new mouse at the moment. I prefer wired simply because I don't have to worry about the battery and charging. It's always ready to go when I need it. Cable doesn't bother me because these higher end wired mice have great lightweight cables as well but still some people hate it and for them a bungee is always an option.

As a fellow 'mouse noob', I am quite happy with the Endgame Gear XM2 8k. It has a top of the line sensor, build quality is very high so should last you a very long time, the clicking buttons are mechanical and super smooth, and comes with two configurable side buttons for your thumb. I think in the US it's probably roughly 75usd, for a very high end mouse from a technical perspective, so good price/quality ratio. Good shape for average to slightly above average hands. Only con (not for me but to some) is that this specific one isn't wireless.

ergo g403 shape for those games, 30 recent mice i got i interchanged them with aim trainers and i get the best scores with certain scenarios on certain mice, mm711, op18k xm28k and g403 i was best with but g403 for tac was immo3 with that one. im just getting the terra pro and calling it a day

Deathadder V3 is good XM2 8k you can claw and palm this mouse

Xm2 8k is what i recommend if cable is not an issue

Endgame gear their 8k models have a basic software

Buy zowie c series mouse or the endgame gear xm2 8k

It's a great mouse but it's small so if you're coming from the dav2 it'll be a huge transition I suggest to give it some time as you may like it or not there is also an XM2 8k which is a different shape but good for 19x10 hands

Xm2 8k, dav3 wired, zowie c series

Op18k or xm2 8k

Different shapes and different sizes they're both good. If you have small hands get the op18k if you have medium size hands get the XM2 8k.

Za11-c and xm2 8k if cable is not an issue

I have 19x10 hands and i use a relaxed claw as well. I tried the xm2 8k and returned it after a couple of days because it was a horrible shape for me. It is so wide that my hand hurt after a few mins of playing. Maybe i was holding it wrong or i am just not used to larger mice because i mained a smaller and narrower mouse (Razer cobra).

If you are fine with a wired mouse, the op18k or xm28k are the best you can get. If you need wireless, then I would recommend one of the scryox v6/v8 but the debate is there for pretty much anything.

>Anyways, because of this I've ended up with more, got a much better understanding of what I do properly actually want instead of just randomly searching for mice and am actually, probably, for real this time, nearing my end game. At this point, what is it that is holding any of these mice back from being endgame? Is there a target spec you are looking for? I imagine you have the shape preference already locked in. I went down a similar rabbit hole after getting my first "enthusiast" mouse (the original XM1) back in 2020. Almost ironically, after trying a number of shapes, specs, technologies, etc., I am for the foreseeable future on the XM2 8K. I know specs are still improving, but I feel like for the past year or maybe two, we have been in diminishing returns territory.

I have an XM2 8k, if you are already accustomed to wired it’s a better buy than wireless. There’s no polling latency, lighter and don’t have to charge it, and most importantly it’s CHEAPER. Also the ACPro Neon feels very premium, I have it in XSOFT.

r/mousereview might be able to help but there's a lot of enthusiasts there that might recommend niche mice that may or may not be a good fit. You could also check out https://www.rtings.com/mouse for some more mainstream focused recommendations and reviews. Come up with a budget and decide whether you want wired/wireless. Some personal recommendations, though I hate charging so I'm biased towards wires. Wired * Razer Cobra [cheap, small] * Razer Deathadder V3 wired [large ergonomic] * Endgame Gear OP1 8k [small, top of the line performance] * Endgame Gear XM2 8k [larger than the op1, top of the line performance, potential scroll wheel issues?] Wireless * Razer Viper V2 pro [cheaper than the V3, neutral shape] * Razer Viper V3 pro [expensive, neutral shape] * Razer Deathadder V3 pro [expensive, large ergonomic] If you get something cheaper, you could take the extra and grab a decent mousepad if he doesn't have one already, ~15-35ish dollar range for solid options. Arguably just as important as the mouse. I'm a fan of the ESPTIGER mousepads on amazon that sometimes go on sale for 15 bucks, lethal.gg has a lot of good options too.

if you want the "best" mouse and you mention fps i assume you looking for the best aim experience with a solid qc in that case i would just get a dav3 wired for palm or xmr1-2 wired for claw,not into finger tip, second hand you can pick them even below your budget up, dont say i warned u about cheap chinese mice when you get one and you back in this sub in a week, because those dont hold up interms of qc, coating or have flawless sensor implementation

Ended up with the XM2. The shape fits my hand like a glove. Thank you for recommending me this mouse :)

Look into End Game Gear. EGG XM2 looks like it belongs in an office not in a pile of rainbow puke.

They do make a ton of mice like that. You need to look for mice that are specifically made for claw grip. Pulsar X2 or X2H is like that. Endgame gear OP1 or XM2 are also like that. Sora v1 , or Vaxee X Sora are also like that. I'm sure there plenty more that I can't think of from the top of my head. The hour glass gives your fingers better leverage to really handle the mouse but yea, if your hands are too big or small for the mouse, it can cause issues. I honestly would say the Logitech GPX has a very very subtle hour glass, that it will probably feel pretty flat on the sides for you, it's one of the safest first mice for a reason. Asus harpe ace if I remember correctly is also pretty flat on the sides, it's shaped like a Logitech GPX but just longer.

egg op1 or xm2 line, hitscan hyperlight, mchose L7 (I'm getting this one soon)

Endgame Gear XM2 would be my recommendation. Feels fantastic.

It's also got a really nice grip on the ring and pinky side. Think it would be perfect for your aggressive claw style.

I have to physically correct the swing. Like changing the natural swing i would do to a more unnatual curve, for me at least. I end up pulling my arm more kinda downwards on a swing to the left and the other way around. There maybe is a Software fix but it mostly roots from the way im Holding my ergo mice. I just Stay on my egg xm2 tbh

razer mice seem to have a tendency of breaking components like scroll wheel and stuff. endgame's mice are excellent quality wise and their 8k series latency is top of the line

Not lighter but the shape u describe might work well with an endgame gear xm2/Op1