Endgame Gear - XM2w 4k

I'm a new mouse enthusiast that was **CRAZY** enough to purchase **11 different gaming mice** so you **DON'T HAVE TO** lol. I'm writing this to conclude my hyper fixation (hopefully). **TLDR: Shape is king!** YouTube mouse reviews are helpful, but reviewers have to nitpick things that really don't matter for the average consumer/gamer. Eloshapes and RTINGS 3d Comparison are great tools, but ultimately holding a mouse in-hand is the best way to compare shapes. Mouse sensors are pretty much all great these days and click latency feels identical unless you are a pro gamer or superhuman. Don't worry about latency and sensor/click performance unless you have issues with a specific mouse. High polling rate capability should be the least important factor when deciding on a mouse IMO. 2k and above are nice to have, but anything above 4k is totally unnecessary unless you have the PC to maintain good FPS and want to. Most Valorant/CS2 pros still use 1k in actual events/matches. Also a good idea to update firmware for receiver/dongle and the mouse itself right away to minimize any known issues. **WAIT at least 1 week after buying a mouse before deciding if you want to return or keep,** your first impression of a shape is fairly reliable. However, some of these mice grew on me heavily after I gave them more use and time to find a comfortable grip style. **DON'T impulsively buy mice like I did either (hindsight is 20/20 haha). Definitely try the Scyrox V6 if you have smaller hands and didn't quite enjoy the G Pro X Superlight shape.** **Spend the least amount of money possible. More expensive mice really don't feel much better than budget options from Scyrox and other competition. Only spend a lot if you are positive that a particular shape is what you want.** Most of these mice were bought through Amazon Prime. In total I ended up returning 5 of the mice over time. I play **Valorant 99 percent** of the time. I'm a hard stuck Gold player in Valorant with around 1600 hours played on and off in the past 2 years. (hate but also love the game) My hands are on the smaller side at\*\*: 17.5cm x 9.35cm.\*\* I rotate between a relaxed claw/regular claw grip. I always keep my wrist in full contact with my mousepad. I play on fairly low sensitivity in game. For Valorant and Kovvaks between 0.23 - 0.27 at 800 dpi. These mice were all used primarily on 800 dpi FWIW. **Mousepad:** Steel Series QCK XXL Heavy (Tabletop Mousepad). Has 1 year of use so is definitely more of a control pad. I've owned the original G Pro X Superlight for the past year and was basis of comparison for all of these mice. Going to rate these mice in different categories/sub-categories. Ratings will be out of 10. If you want more detailed info about any of these mice that I can't fit below please ask in comments. # Mouse Shape Comparison: G Pro X Superlight: **5/10** Safe shape that is a decent starting point for most hand sizes larger than mine. Definitely always felt too large for my hand size in length and the sides always felt too flat and wide. Shape is not distinct enough to easily have a consistent claw grip for my preferences. To say this mouse is uncomfortable would be a lie, just not my favorite. Razer Viper V3 Pro (Returned): **6/10** Think this is a better safe recommendation for claw grip for those who have medium to large hands. Compared to the superlight this mouse felt longer but more distinct in hand than the potato shape of the GPX. Sadly mouse really not ideal for smaller hand sizes like mine but if I had larger hands I would definitely prefer to GPX. Can still make work with smaller hands but have to fight the shape more. Pulsar X2 Crazylight (Returned): **6/10** Small mouse with a low side profile and not very much palm support towards back. Felt ok for me but it left me wanting much more palm support for claw grip in back hump. Side buttons always felt too cramped above thumb on left side, wish the buttons were positioned higher up. Would be better suited for a fingertip grip than claw IMO. Pulsar X2H v3 mini (Returned): **7/10** Compared to the X2 Crazylight/X2 mini shape, this mouse felt significantly better for relaxed claw and more aggressive claw grip. The length of the shape combined with the width and bulbous hump in back makes this mouse feel decently stubby, so it wasn't as comfortable as some of these other options for longer periods of use. Definitely try **Scyrox V8** instead which is pretty much a longer version of this shape that is cheaper and has better main clicks. Ninjutso Sora V2 or Pulsar X2 Medium similar options to V8. XM2w 4k v1 (Returned): **3/10** Sadly this shape was the only mouse that I found quite uncomfortable. This shape is very wide and I would definitely not recommend to anyone with hands similar or smaller than mine. The left side of the mouse I found to be ok. On the right side I couldn't find a comfortable grip for my ring and pinky fingers with the wide front flare. The back of the mouse also felt too wide for my hands to comfortably grip. **Really consider the width and length of your hands before buying this.** Think you have to like a wide in-hand feel even if you have larger hands. Lack of any button grooves also really doesn't help for comfort. Hump of mouse does not feel super supportive despite the dimensions listing 39mm tall. The width of the hump makes it feel way shorter to me. OP1w 4k v2: **7.5/10** Highly recommend this shape for claw grip if you have small/medium hands. Feels much more comfortable and precise than the XM2 for me. From what I hear also a great fingertip grip choice for all hand sizes. Narrowness of mouse and not the most palm support make this mouse become a bit fatiguing after multiple hours of use. Still love the shape but feels like it only works for claw/fingertip for gaming/aim training. Wouldn't recommend for work/use outside of gaming. Not a safe recommendation for everyone. Unless you absolutely need the wireless version I would recommend the OP18k v2 instead since its lighter which would make a difference with how small and dense the shape is. Also is noticeably cheaper with the same build quality. Lamzu Inca (Returned then bought again): **9/10** You either love this mouse shape or hate it. Truly nothing like the Zowie ZA13 shape which this is a nearly 1:1 clone of. Perfect for all types of claw (relaxed, regular, aggressive/pincer). Shape is very supportive with a high rear hump and narrow waist on sides. If you enjoy OP1 shape but want something with much more rear palm support, this is for you. Downsides being it is basically an exclusive claw shape, you cannot palm this comfortably, maybe could fingertip with large hands. Also shape is very extreme and locked in which can sometimes feel too fatiguing or excessive when using outside of high precision gaming such as in Tactical FPS games. I actually bought this mouse twice. Returned it because I thought maybe it was too extreme but regretted and purchased a second time in a different color. If you have smaller/medium hands and want a very tailored experience for Claw grip gaming with ample palm support, definitely look here! Scyrox V6: **10/10** Wish I would have started with this mouse instead of buying everything else. I can safely recommend this shape to anyone who wants a smaller ambi mouse with ample palm support. It feels like a great blend between many different mice I reviewed here. Less extreme than the Inca which makes it suitable for palm grip to some extent or just a more relaxed claw. Feels like this is what the superlight should have been for me originally. If you have smaller hands than mine, I would recommend looking into the original shape this is based on, the G-Wolves Hati/HTS plus. The length of that mouse is a bit shorter but frankly I don't think the V6 is long enough to be uncomfortable for truly small hands. Zowie S2-DW (Returned): **7/10** Good fairly safe shape that feels more locked in than GPX Superlight. Mouse feels a bit too wide for longer periods of use and wish button height was lower in front. Didn't stand out amongst other options IMO. Zowie U2-DW: **8/10** Really unique shape that is great for a relaxed claw, claw, and even a hybrid palm grip. Has elements of ergonomic mice incorporated such as the inner thumb curve on the left side. Not as good overall IMO since the hump is fairly flat feeling but still gives adequate support. Also think front button height should be lower to be the most optimized for claw grip. Definitely took a few days of use to really click with the shape and find out how to grip comfortably. Razer Cobra Wired: **6/10** Had high hopes for this since I wanted something similar to Viper Mini but really feels like this mouse is designed for fingertip grip primarily, even more so than the original Viper mini. I never tried the Viper Mini but from the RTINGs 3D comparison tool and Eloshapes it looks like it is a bit narrower on the right side and has a taller hump that tapers off more abruptly on the sides. Shape just feels like its lacking a ton of palm support for my preference and grip style. Found a way to somewhat comfortably grip by adapting a palm/relaxed claw hybrid grip but overall not ideal for comfort IMO. For fingertip grip on a budget though I think its a really great option. # Mouse Coating: OP1w 4k v2: 10/10 | XM2w 4k v1: 10/10 | Razer Viper V3 Pro: 9/10 | Zowie U2-DW: 8.5/10| Zowie S2-DW: 8/10 | Lamzu Inca: 8/10 | Scyrox V6: 7/10 | G Pro X Superlight: 7.5/10 | Pulsar X2 Crazylight: 7/10 | Pulsar X2H v3 mini: 7/10 | Razer Cobra Wired: 4/10 (just textured plastic not rubberized like rest) # MB1/MB2 (Main Clicks): OP1w 4k v2: 10/10 | XM2w 4k v1: 10/10 | Razer Viper V3 Pro: 7/10 | Zowie U2-DW: 8/10 | Zowie S2-DW: 8/10 | Lamzu Inca: 8.5/10 | Scyrox V6: 9/10 | G Pro X Superlight: 6/10 | Pulsar X2 Crazylight: 8.5/10 | Pulsar X2H v3 mini: 6/10 | Razer Cobra Wired: 6/10 # Side Buttons: OP1w 4k v2: 8/10 | XM2w 4k v1: 9/10 | Razer Viper V3 Pro: 6.5/10 | Zowie U2-DW: 10/10 | Zowie S2-DW: 8/10 | Lamzu Inca: 7.5/10 | Scyrox V6: 6/10 | G Pro X Superlight: 2/10 (god awful) | Pulsar X2 Crazylight: 7.5/10 | Pulsar X2H v3 mini: 8/10 | Razer Cobra Wired: 5/10 # Scroll Wheel/Scroll Click: OP1w 4k v2: 8/10 | XM2w 4k v1: 8.5/10 | Razer Viper V3 Pro: 7/10 | Zowie U2-DW: 7/10| Zowie S2-DW: 7.5/10 | Lamzu Inca: 6/10 | Scyrox V6: 5/10 | G Pro X Superlight: 2/10 (god awful) | Pulsar X2 Crazylight: 10/10 | Pulsar X2H v3 mini: 10/10 | Razer Cobra Wired: 4/10 # Weight Density/Overall Weight Compared to Shape: OP1w 4k v2: 7/10 | XM2w 4k v1: 7.5/10 | Razer Viper V3 Pro: 9/10 | Zowie U2-DW: 8/10| Zowie S2-DW: 6/10 | Lamzu Inca: 10/10 | Scyrox V6: 10/10 | G Pro X Superlight: 7/10 | Pulsar X2 Crazylight: 10/10 ( too light for me but perfect for some) | Pulsar X2H v3 mini: 7/10 | Razer Cobra Wired: 6/10 # Stock Mouse Skates: OP1w 4k v2: 7/10 | XM2w 4k v1: 7.5/10 | Razer Viper V3 Pro: 9/10 | Zowie U2-DW: 10/10 | Zowie S2-DW: 9.5/10 | Lamzu Inca: 9/10 | Scyrox V6: 7/10 | G Pro X Superlight: 6/10 | Pulsar X2 Crazylight: 6.5/10 | Pulsar X2H v3 mini: 6.5/10 | Razer Cobra Wired: 6/10 # Software: OP1w 4k v2: 9/10 | XM2w 4k v1: 9/10 | Razer Viper V3 Pro: 3/10 (f\*ck Razer Synapse) | Zowie U2-DW: n/a | Zowie S2-DW: n/a | Lamzu Inca: 10/10 | Scyrox V6: 10/10 | G Pro X Superlight: 7/10 | Pulsar X2 Crazylight: 8/10 | Pulsar X2H v3 mini: 8/10 | Razer Cobra Wired: 3/10 (f\*ck Razer Synapse) If you made it to the end here thank you for reading!!! Basically learned a lot here and was fun but hope this can save you from making the same mistakes as me. Also there is no perfect mouse shape but I've learned you can definitely get really close to finding the right shape for you! Definitely highly recommend Lamzu and Scyrox mice, think they offer great build quality, shapes, performance, and overall value. FWIW it could be due to the great weight balance and shapes of the Lamzu Inca and Scyrox V6 but I truly feel like I am performing my best in-game and in Kovvaks using their PAW3950 sensor implementations and Omron optical switches. Every sensor was perfectly fine on all these mice reviewed with no issues. However, there does seem to be something so responsive about the Lamzu and Scyrox sensors to me.\\ Have to give huge props to Zowie though for coming up with so many of these iconic mouse shapes and also the DW series from Zowie felt the most premium of all of these options (their price reflects this though). If you love a particular Zowie shape they offer in the DW series and want a mouse that will last you forever I would say they are 100 percent worth the premium price. They feel like they could survive an explosion and the sensors felt super responsive. The click latency is slower on paper than all these other options but once again felt impossible for my Valorant Gold player skill-level to comprehend any difference in latency to the Endgame Gear OP1 or XM2 that lead the market in terms of click latency.

EGG XM2w 4k or XM2 8k are s-tier. They feel so fricking good to play with.

My two mice are EGG XM2w as my main for competitive titles, and viper V3 pro as my backup/more comfortable option.

Viper v3 pro would probably be fine, but it's definitely big. You might be more comfortable on a lamzu Maya, egg Xm2 or op1, or hitscan hyper light. People rave about zowie as well, I just don't know them well enough to recommend a specific model. People also love Scyrox, except some people complain that they do not implement the sensor very well. I would investigate more. It might be a great choice for you. One key thing to know is that every single mouse these days uses the same 2-3 sensors and 2-3 processors. Those sensors and processors have a baseline capability, so really performance on mice these days is just a non-issue. Some companies create firmware that works better than others (hence why people complain that the same sensor feels worse or better on one mouse than another), but ultimately the most important feature is *shape*: How it feels in your hand, how it feels to move on the surface of your mousepad. Also, consistent reports and reviews of good build quality is important. Research is the best way to find what you like! I personally ordered multiple and kept the one I liked the most. Just make sure where you're buying has good return policy if you do that.

I have big hands, slightly bigger than yours and almost exactly the same grip. I have a Viper v3 pro but I prefer and main the XM2 from Endgame Gear. The shape is S-tier, you won't regret it.

I wrote a big review of VV3, XM2w, and Maya X. https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/s/i1RlpoocdR I would strongly suggest the XM2w. It was so fantastic. Get the wired version if you wanna save some money.

I have xm2w 4k and it is worth the price

Endgame Gear OP1w 4k if you want a smaller mouse or XM2w 4k if you want a larger mouse. Both have wired options available if you don't mind having a wire (and the OP1 has much cheaper versions if you don't care for more than 1k polling rates). Just don't get the "we" versions as these ones have pretty shitty optical switches.

Anti-Cheat systems don't detect side buttons as cheating. Your mouse is for basic office use so I am not surprised it has issues with precision. I can recommend endgame gear mice. Either get the OP1w or the XM2w if you want more stability. The wired versions are also worth considering if the wire doesn't bother you.

best tech specs wise? prolly Endgame Gear products. but just like most other comments here, you need to know that most mice nowadays have negligible performance difference because most are using 3395/3950 sensors or propietary sensors out there that are of similar performance. i would say to avoid logitech HERO sensors because they are not the best. however, from my personal experience, im okay with logitech. im currently maining a Endgame Gear XM2W 4K because like you, i want to try what is possibly the lowest latency mouse on the market. edit: and the QC is crazy good on my unit, shape is personally very good.

Have been playing on the XM2W 4k for the last month. Greatest mouse of all time!

Yeah I like the xm2w more myself, its just a lot wider than what he said he had currently

X2H has poor quality. At least from my experience. XM2W is the better option in this shape. But I do 100% agree with your evaluation.

I am a former G305 user. Mice I find easy to pick up because of the shape are the EGG XM2w and Zowie U2.

I used the Lamzu Atlantis (OG) for about a year, then tried the Incott GHERO about 6 months, finally on the XM2w 4k currently - hands @ 18cm x 11cm with a relaxed claw, I'd say all 3 are very comfortable for that style of grip. The XM2w 4k has very slightly better clicks / build quality than the other two but you really can't go wrong. As for the Maya (non-X) I tried it in store and it was far too small, the X may be better but I haven't had a chance to try that yet.

I have alot of mice, i recently bought xm2w 4k and even tho its heavier than what i normally would use, it has become my main mouse. I have GREAT aim control with it

Nice review! I personally prefer XM2w 4k but OP1 8k is amazing too, just a bit too small.

"xm2w 4k: I actually liked this shape but the way endgame gear handled the op1w 4k v2 malware issue (took them like 3-4 weeks to make an official statement and inform their customers) left a bad taste in my mouth so I sold it. I don’t want to support this company with my money." Doesn't seem too logical. It's not like mice are subsricption based so you could have easily continue using the mouse and just not buy their mice on the future. Well I guess its possible that you "stole" a sale from them.

Ive been trying out za13 dw for 2 weeks sometimes it feels great but im playing warzone which has quite a bit of vertical movement. I feel a bit too much of a restriction on my hand. I believe i have to switch back to xm2 4k again

Okey. I decided before I make an order. I will go to the shop and check for deathadder. I want to be sure that I’m done with ergo for good.  But I decided that first order will be endgame xm2 4K because it’s slightly bigger than s2 and same shape. It will fill my palm more which is what I need exactly. I experimented with grip and looks I can hold relaxed claw touching palm to my wrist but I need something slightly bigger than zowie s2 . Zowie za13 feels smaller than s2 which I can’t handle. 

Not bad but you should get the xm2w 4k from endgame gear, cheaper, better shape and performance, also very comfortable for hours of play time

Xm2 4K in particular is really wide at the back

grandmaster xm2w 4k + gsrse rouge

I had bought both and ended up returning the maya x because the shape was just too bad for tactical shooters, the clicks very quickly developed an annoying springboard sound and vibration on left click and to this day they haven't fixed the lift off latency bug where 20ms of latency is added to your next click whenever you lift up the mouse no matter if you set it down after or not. The xm2w 4k feels and is more responsive, has better feeling clicks imo and especially much better side buttons and scroll wheel but the higher weight is a definite downside to me. The xm2 also lasts around 50% longer and charges slightly quicker too. I have the exact same size hands as you and like the xm2 shape besides the right click clipping my finger a bit which took a while to adjust to. If you go with the xm2w get high quality skates like the unusual way sports magic ice to mitigate the higher weight

I personally enjoyed the Maya X shape more. To me something about the XM2 felt clunky and wide. Just liked the curvature and size of the Maya X more. Semi-Relaxed-Semi-Aggro Claw grip with 21.5x11.5cm hands It's very tough to say which you'd prefer. Nuances of each mouses curvature and your personal gripstyle are difficult to read. Even if you show a picture. And even then you don't know which you'd adapt to more over time.

Sorry google used some weird acc. I dont mean "short", I mean not really providing any support whatsoever. I switched from Rival 5 and 710 to XM2w and I had managed to use the mouse for 42 minutes before I got serious wrist cramps. IMO he would be better off with something ergonomic.

I have all or most of the mice mentioned in your post, and similarly have had issues finding a mouse that had a right side that felt normal. The XM2w caused my hand to cramp (even tho I played awesome with it lol) The E1 is the best overall mouse I've ever used imho. The shape is second to none in my opinion. I have the ec2-dw, the pulsar super light size 1 & 2ES) and many other ergos that aren't nearly as comfy. The cons to the E1 are - the buttons have a specific bounce/spring to them, so there is a tiny bit of rattle if you slam your mouse often - the scroll wheel is fine - the side buttons have a bit of a corner to them, (I just sand it down) I'm currently switching between the E1, the Viper V3, the Zowie S2-dw Oh, and the Sora is an awesome mouse with a great shape. It's god a cool internal structure that was fun to mod and get the weight super low. I missed having the curved finger grooves (so I added my own) but overall it's an awesome mouse that I mained for months before I got into ergos. The pulsar super light is awesome, but had specific curves (along the right side and front) where I never felt 100% comfy. I have the v3ES and the v3 size 1, and both were a bit off for me. And I also didn't love the raesha optical switches.... Best scroll wheels tho! The XM2w is certainly the best built mouse of these three. If there was a version that didn't have such an aggressive inward curve along the right side I would likely be maining this mouse. That and I wish it had finger grooves... It's so solid tho... My personal rankings: 1. E1 2. Sora 3. Xlite (does the v4 still use Raesha optical switches??) 4. XM2w (but if you like the shape, its potentially #1)

Just get the XM2w. Easy.

endgame gear xm2w 4k / Iquinix EZ63 / Wallhack glasspad

Yeah it’s the same specs as the op1 8k. It’s one of my favorite claw grip mice, one thing that I have to say is the back width of the mouse can restrict your movement sometimes, it doesn’t look very big on paper but it fills up your palms pretty well. I have the xm2w which is just the wireless version of the xm2

Xm2w or xm2 8k, you never mentioned your hand size so I can’t say for sure but it’s one of the best claw grip mice out there.

We definitely are at peak. The sensors are so good to the point where you can’t even tell the difference with just the naked human eye. A mouse and more to come eventually where you can adjust the increments of your dpi by just 1 dpi at a time. Mice weighing below 40 grams with polling rates high enough it drains the heck out of your battery or it’ll cause heavy stutters, especially if it’s not high polling rate friendly. The clicks on all the mice I’ve tried, GPX 2, viper v3 pro, beastx max, and Lamzu Atlantis…. They all felt the same latency wise. The only mice where I’ve clicked and felt like the quickness of its latency was the xm2w 4k and op1 8k. Even zowies mice dw series clicks feel just about the same as any other new release latency wise even though it’s higher than normal on paper. But guess what, that’s on paper and we aren’t computers lol. The race to see who’s mice are better than the other are fun but in reality… something we don’t want to admit is they are all basically the same thing but with different shapes and different weights. It all comes down to how it’s implemented. It’s crazy to hear we live in a day that people legitimately call 60 gram mice heavy. If it continues they’ll soon start calling mice 50 grams heavy lol

I have 20x11 hands and have tried superlight, superlight 2 dex, Zowie u2, EGG XM2w and currently using Viper v3 Pro. VV3 is so far the best shape for me. I think it’s the width, since the superlight 2 dex felt to narrow and made my thumb ache.. :D

Waizowl Cloud is very close in shape but slightly wider rear end. XM2w is similar but has a more filling rear end and creates more palm pressure. With basically all wireless mice nowadays you can just keep it plugged in whilst gaming and the cable is made of better materials than before

Have you tried XM2W 4K ? It has a backhump but its bit wider than GPX and Viper v3

Yeah, I personally prefer the OP1W 4k since there's no reason for 8k polling since MC can't handle it and I prefer wireless. Op1 8k is great too. Also good to note that the xm2w 4k is also a solid option, just know which shape you prefer. Edit: I should've mentioned this but the OP1W and such mice are actually designed to be pro FPS mice and are lightweight. Personally I'd recommend using pulsar super grip tape with them, which makes it incredibly easy to drag click. I'm master in voltaic Kovaaks benchmarks with this mouse and can also get 20-40 CPS butterflying and drag clicking respectively.

Endgame Gear XM2w 4k is the best mous ei think but in your price range the best would either be the Mad R Major+ with 8k dongle or the Scyrox V6 8k get these either ar genesis pc or neo macro

it was a good mouse, but I ended up wanting to switch away from a larger palm / claw shape to something smaller and more aggressive. Been on my XM2 4K for 4 months now, and zero regrets

Technically I think viper v3 pro overall Then comes preference So for me (I don’t care about 4k 8k polling) I use the xm2 4k wireless Logitech is great too and so are Chinese mice

I'm really lost guys. On my "prime" days I used G5, MX518, Intellimouse 3.0 and Rival 310. I had a relaxed claw grip, after that I used the G502 Hero, Model O, GPX and since then I never felt confortable with any mice and my grip also changed, now I have a tilted extended palm grip. Every mouse I've tried so far, Deathadder Essentials to try a true ergo since it was cheap, Thorn and Xm2w 4k. Some of them in the beginning feel good but after some hours not anymore. My handsize is 18x10, I can't tell if I need a big mouse or a small mouse. I really need some help please, the pictures are from Model O, Xm2w 4k and Deathadder.

They are really close to the Xm2w 4k hump and I didn't like it

I've checked the sensor position, and the ones I felt better aim are the Xm2w 4k and the G502 Hero. The G502 I don't know about sensor position, because it does not show on eloshapes and the Xm2w has a higher sensor position then the Viper V3 pro

Currently running xm2w 4k, my browser just said hey double check this is legitimate on download. No issues with the software whatsoever.

xm2w 4k and x-raypad traigun, although it feels like a mud pad because i dont have an iron to completely smooth out the humps that are still sticking up from when it was rolled up in the box. if anyone has other ideas for flattening it out i'd appreciate if u share

I've gone through most of the high end gaming mice, and like it does really depend on your personal grip/feel of the mouse, the best I found to fit me is Endgame Gear XM2w4K

Viper V3 pro is solid I also recommend the xm2w 4k or zowie u2-dw

so the xm2we is the essentials version of the wireless, so it has optical switches, but they're quite heavy so requires more force to click, not a lot like but it feels significant, the xm2w 4k uses the kailh gx switches for the lowest latency spdt switches if you want to look it up, they feel awesome but I have felt sometimes they click a bit too fast the only thing that I've found to have a bigger hump is a za zowie mouse but the only one thats wireless is the za13, if it was the 11 i would have no need for another mouse as for artisan, the type99 is THE control pad, its so easy to control your aim for me, the zero is basically a qck just a better version of it, like much better, so slightly faster, I prefer the control of the type99 what I will say is for the past few days I've been falling in love with my pulsar x2v2 again and I have ordered the tenz collab mouse as it looks to tick all the boxes I want in a mouse (21x11cm hands for reference)

Not sure what size your hands are (mine are 18x9cm), but i would recommend any of the op1's. The button are low so its comfy on the fingers. If u need something wider the xm2w is also good - same shape too.

I have a few. For ambi, it's Viper v3 and XM2w. For ergo it's EC2 and G502.

You can either: - Ask r/MouseReview - Look at what other top players are using, some of these players have some ball knowledge (Ninerik uses the OP1 8K, Nyanpotato uses the Deathadder V3 Pro) I'm inexperienced with using mouse for osu! so I don't know what to recommend, my advice is: - Observe how you grip the mouse when you play - Come up with a list of things that you want from your mouse (shape, size, weight, wired/wireless, sensor, clicks, coating, price), even better if you have an order or priority of which is more important than the other - Research for a few mice that fit all of that criteria best - Compare with alternative options, ask for help It wouldn't be nice to leave this without some actual recommendations: Personally, I main the XM2w 4K, it's a great mouse for me but I'm not sure if I would recommend it because of it's big size, so I'd recommend the OP1 8K V2

Hey homie! My hands are 21x11cm with thumb (21x9 without). I feel you the super light can be tough and cause cramps even. I think it’s mostly the low profile and skinnyness. My poor pinky has to like fold under my hand to hold it lol. Try the xm2w if you want something more palm filling and wider but still agile and symmetrical. If you want more relaxed/hand full feel I’d reccomend the dav3/4, ec1, or a 703 clone like the pulsar x3 or teevolution Terra

The xm2w has a pretty notable back hump that kinda forces more of a claw grip than I usually use. So if you like a claw, that’s great but if not it might be too aggressive for ya. That being said, it’s prolly the most impressive build quality of a mouse I’ve ever owned. Sometimes I just take it out of its case to glare at it lol

Idk it wasn´t sarcasm on my end btw :D But coming from a very dated Zowie S2-C to an XM2W4K I have to say the difference in clicks is gigantic. In the beginning I often times double clicked by mistake because it´s so much easier to activate a click on the EGG. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID... In actual game performance/advantage there is just 0 difference between the S2-C and the XM2 despite the latency of the Zowie probably being multiple times higher. It simply does nothing for you and when I think about it that makes sense. Biggest factor is your reaction time/body with hundreds of ms and shaving of a single, or even 10ms does literally nothing in practice. Nice to have but for me at least absolutely not important compared to shape.

I’m trying wireless for the first time currently, bought an XM2w 4k. It does seem to be burning through a charge pretty quickly, less than a week. I’m not in love with that. Otherwise it’s really nice.

If you're happy with the brand and can extend your budget a little, I've been enjoying the XM2w 4k. It's larger than the OP1 8K that I'd tried before, which I found to be too small. Battery life isn't all that exciting, but I'm new to rechargeable wireless mice, maybe it's typical. Overall I'm happy with it.

XM2w 4k is lit.

Why the XM2WE? Go for the XM2W 4K if you're already going that route.

1. Scyrox V6 2.Vancer Thrash 3.ATK F1 Extreme 4. Endgame Gear XM2W 4k 5.ATK X1 Ultra Everything is just based of the shape and the mice I've tested, performance vise there isn't that much difference anyway.

there's a lot more factors into it if you're just looking at the peripherals. These could include mousepad, mouse weight, size, grip etc. Personally I've used a lot of mice playing tac fps. These includes a Logitech G402, EC2, 2 crappy GPWs, RVU, a very bad copy of the GPX, DAV3P, and now I'm on my Lamzu Maya X and EGG XM2W 4K Looking back I think I made the most progress with my game with the RVU, then again I also upgraded to a Hien mousepad from a very old QcK. You could also say that my own personal growth as a player could've contributed to it as well. Although looking at it objectively it's actually quite funny since I felt that playing the AWP/OP I was more consistent when using an ergo mouse and when rifling I feel more consistent with an ambi mouse. I think even today when I'm playing Rivals, l4d2, BF, or Squad with the boys I still feel the same way.

XM2 4k + GSR-SE done and under budget

and XM2W 4K is a much better refined version of that shape

Cloud is closer to Viper V3 Pro and XM2W shape wise. The hump isn't centered but rather pushed back a little. Cloud has very deep grooves on the side and the hump feels flatter even though its only 1mm shorter. IMO the shape isn't that good... people are giving it credit just because it was designed 20 years ago. XM2W is a much better version of that shape.

XM2W 4K and Viper V3 Pro are the go to.

Ec3-DW, Dav3 hs, Vv3p, Superlight 2c. Hand size is 19 x 10 cm and Claw grip. Main Game: Overwatch Current Rank: Master5 on tank, Master 3 on dps, Gm5 on support Main Mouse: Dav3hs Dav3 hs and vv3p are what I kept from my last collection culling, they were my favorite ergo and ambi that I tried and those two I plan to keep and never sell (Im not a razer shill I promise lol). Ec3 and gpx 2c are mice that I am still testing out atm and ultimately I will decide whether to keep or sell them. I also want to try Vaxee’s lineup (xe v2, np01s v2, E1) but I wish they sold on Amazon. Maybe one day. My last collection post: https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/1i01sdj/mouse_collection_pic/ Mice that I Sold: dav3 pro: too big, not unusably but was a bit unwieldy. S2-DW: was fine size-wise and shape-wise but didnt really use it over the vv3 pro. FK2-DW: too flat. i prefer a bump for stability when aiming. ZA13-DW: most unique shape I’ve tried. It was fine but I prefer the more general(?) shape of the vv3p. EC2-DW: size was fine but i preferred dav3hs. I know alot of people rave about the ec shape but it didnt do anything for me personally. xm2w 4k: I actually liked this shape but the way endgame gear handled the op1w 4k v2 malware issue (took them like 3-4 weeks to make an official statement and inform their customers) left a bad taste in my mouth so I sold it. I don’t want to support this company with my money. gpx dex: similar big size to dav3 pro but the shape and coating made it easier to grip for me. I would have no problems using this but I just prefer smaller ergos. U2-DW: claw grip mouse but I didnt like the locked in feeling it gave. rvmse: too small op1w 4k: too thin gpx2: size is fine but after years of trying to use this shape I was never able to get used to it. I only tried for so long bc so many pros use it but it just doesnt work for me.

yes that is a false positive that pops up for endgame gears software because they dont sign their software with windows. The xred malware infected software is a separate issue. Only the op1w 4k v2 config tool was infected not the xm2w 4k.

But is not even close to being the best mouse especially for it’s price. Even the scyrox v6 is better than the super light imo for a lot less. MayaX and viper v3 pro are goated mice last year and for 2025 i think pulsar crazylight and endgame xm2w are the way to go.

XM2w by far is your best bet. I have 19x10 and it’s a great fit. OP1 is semi too small for me

i would say you need a bit of a wider mouse since your hand is relatively large compared to the lenght of your fingers, so the op1 might be a bit too narrow and thus cause some tense hand. If you like endgame gear you could try the XM2 W

I have the wireless version and absolutely love it. It's a really good mouse and this is coming from someone who has a fuck ton of mice. I find the op1 a touch too small and the xm2 a touch too big so I got the vaxee x sora as it literally right in between those 2 mice as size goes, and I think vaxee has one of the best wireless implementations in the mice industry, which imo, plays a really big role in wireless mice, which often people over look. Good wireless performance will make a mouse feel like it has a better sensor than its competitor if they don't have as good of a wireless implementation. I barley noticed a difference between my Vaxee.X Sora and my OP1, so endgame gear passes the test there. I would rank the OP1 an S tier mouse, with a top of the line sensor. the v2 is probably a 3950 sensor as the V1 is a 3395 sensor. Even though you got the wired version, the wireless also has great wireless implementation, at least the op1 w 4k does imo. I highly recommend the mouse and below are my reasons to why the OP1 is Great, shape wise. Unfortunately, the Vaxee x Sora has a much wider back than I anticipated. Elo shapes can only help so much with predicting how a mouse shape will feel. The vaxee x Sora is a perfect XM2w 4k clone that's a touch smaller in my opinion. The OP1 is also very similar in shape but where the difference lies is the mouse has a more narrow rear. the Xm2, Vaxee X Sora, and OP1 all are identical claw shaped mice, in a small, medium, large format. but I think the OP1 has a slight difference from the XM2 and Vaxee Sora, and that is the OP1 has a more narrow rear, while the XM2 and Sora have a wide rear that fills out your palm more. The OP1 having a more narrow rear than the Xm2 and Sora, allows for easier micro adjustments in my hand. You see, Palm contact is Great for stability, and no palm contact and just fingers is great for micro adjustments. The XM2 and Sora having a wide rear, and being more wide all around, fatigues my hand more and makes too much contact with the sides of my palm, giving too much stability, and I can't make as seamless micro adjustments with my fingers as I can with the op1 4k. The OP1 still has a high rear, but it's just more narrow, allowing those side areas to be hollow in my palm, so I can make micro adjustments with the OP1 without it getting snagged on the edges of my hand, all while still have a high rear so I can still make contact with the top of my palm for when I need stability.

They do make a ton of mice like that. You need to look for mice that are specifically made for claw grip. Pulsar X2 or X2H is like that. Endgame gear OP1 or XM2 are also like that. Sora v1 , or Vaxee X Sora are also like that. I'm sure there plenty more that I can't think of from the top of my head. The hour glass gives your fingers better leverage to really handle the mouse but yea, if your hands are too big or small for the mouse, it can cause issues. I honestly would say the Logitech GPX has a very very subtle hour glass, that it will probably feel pretty flat on the sides for you, it's one of the safest first mice for a reason. Asus harpe ace if I remember correctly is also pretty flat on the sides, it's shaped like a Logitech GPX but just longer.

The gpx isn’t a good mouse for the price at all. Go for the end game gear xm1 or xm2. They are pretty wide and the side curvature is pretty good for 1-3-1. It’s a little cheaper than the gpx and on Black Friday it’ll be even cheaper

It’s not a bad rec, I’ve got the same hands as op but his grip is more “aggressive” claw based on the ring and pinky. I have both the xm2 and mm710 (wired cheaper version of 712), I like the xm2 better,and I would’ve recommended it to OP but he says he doesn’t like it, I think my ring and pinky don’t curl as much as his and go to the front. With my relaxed claw the mm712 was small but if the xm2 was too long and u don’t get palm contact I think he might like it…or at least try out the mm710 just for the shape (wired, worst sensor and clicks but I got mine for 25 bucks so it was worth a test). Just know while the mm712 is popular, cooler master is done making peripherals so you won’t ever get an updated version.

Ended up with the XM2. The shape fits my hand like a glove. Thank you for recommending me this mouse :)

Look into End Game Gear. EGG XM2 looks like it belongs in an office not in a pile of rainbow puke.

I just switched my grip so I could use the egg xm2. Nothing actually fits my hand

yeah i did. its now pretty aggressive but im used to it now that i stopped trying to find something that would work and suit my needs. i have a trackball if im not gaming too so that helps

egg op1 or xm2 line, hitscan hyperlight, mchose L7 (I'm getting this one soon)

Endgame Gear XM2 would be my recommendation. Feels fantastic.

It's also got a really nice grip on the ring and pinky side. Think it would be perfect for your aggressive claw style.

I have to physically correct the swing. Like changing the natural swing i would do to a more unnatual curve, for me at least. I end up pulling my arm more kinda downwards on a swing to the left and the other way around. There maybe is a Software fix but it mostly roots from the way im Holding my ergo mice. I just Stay on my egg xm2 tbh

If you like the OP1 and it’s just too small try the Endgame XM2. It’s very similar just bigger. I have 20x10 hands and it’s perfect for me.

How big are your hands exactly? I have 20x10cm and really enjoying the endgame XM2. I also liked the pulsar Xlite large but it was even a little too big for me

I would definitely recommend the XM2 then, it’s a larger version of the very popular OP1. If you want a more aggressive locked in feeling it’s my favorite mouse I’ve used.

Endgame Gear Mice with GX Safe mode will never double click.