Endgame Gear - XM2we

There are many options under 100, steer away from mainstream brands though they are way too expensive for what they provide. Especially stuff like logitech g305, they are very old tech wise. I will give you some recommendations with different price points. Ninjutso Sora 2. Lightest non-combed mice under 100. VXE R1 Pro. Great budget option, Pro version is the one to get not the others. Lamzu mice are overall solid. Endgamegear i think has the best build quality mice, they are a bit more expensive for their tech though. WLMouse Beast X variants are great if you wanna go over budget for something different, it is magnesium. I use VXE R1 Pro and Endgamegear xm2we. XM2we feels superior in build quality but r1 pro is way lighter.

I kind of fingertipped my superlight towards the rear like you and have the same hand size. I went with the endgame gear xm2we and have been loving it. I go back and forth from hybrid claw and fingertip, and while the tapered sides were hard to adjust to for my usual claw grip, I ended up being able to fingertip really fine off the bat. Figured my claw on it but yeah man I highly recommend the xm2 as a sleeper fingertip mouse. I think you’ll enjoy the aggressive sides and low front mouse height with the way you grip Edit: not sure if the xm2we is still on sale but I got it off Amazon for 30 dollars off (59) which is a steal

Yeah the op1 is smaller, and def viable if you’re looking for more strictly fingertip. I just wanted to be able to claw as well and have had a similar shaped small mouse in the mm710 and it didn’t feel “for me”. Based on my prefences I can fingertip the xm2 fine and enjoy the size so I wouldn’t want to go smaller (I’m pretty biased AGAINST small mice for my use though), but a lot of fingertippers love having small more nimble mice so it’s a high chance you’ll like it man! Best of luck! Edit: not sure if you already showed you understood this, but in case you didn’t, they’re sister mice, xm2 is the bigger version.

It’s not a bad rec, I’ve got the same hands as op but his grip is more “aggressive” claw based on the ring and pinky. I have both the xm2 and mm710 (wired cheaper version of 712), I like the xm2 better,and I would’ve recommended it to OP but he says he doesn’t like it, I think my ring and pinky don’t curl as much as his and go to the front. With my relaxed claw the mm712 was small but if the xm2 was too long and u don’t get palm contact I think he might like it…or at least try out the mm710 just for the shape (wired, worst sensor and clicks but I got mine for 25 bucks so it was worth a test). Just know while the mm712 is popular, cooler master is done making peripherals so you won’t ever get an updated version.

I’ve had the same exact problems from two different xm2 mice now. I love the shape, but the quality of the mouse is just terrible compared to other manufacturers from my experience. Is there an alternative mouse that you found with a similar shape to the xm2w?

I have it now too, but the shape... I had xm2we, but I sold it because the backrest was wide for me and I decided after a while to try the xm shape again, but again the backrest was wide for me and there is no getting used to it. My palm is 18.5x9.5 and the u2 fits me better. but it’s a pity egg doesn’t have something in between xm and op shapes....

I use an xm2

I have the xm2 and like the curve sides but curious if I’d like the smaller form factor. Do you think the op1 is for me? My hands are similar at 18.5x10 and I have a relaxed claw grip.

za...12 or what that is on the screenshot? probably your best bet and if you wanna get a new one, can \*highly\* recommend the xm2, 8k or 4kw depending on your budget

I second this. Currently running an XM2 + LGG Saturn and this combo absolutely slaps.

great shape but weight could be better

Exactly, I had the xm1r and xm2we for multiple years but after getting the mad r I dont see myself ever going back to a mouse above 50g. Its like monitors for me, once youve tried 240hz theres no going back.

I have large hands and recently switched to an xm2we. It works great and you can pick it up for about 90 bucks on amazon

The non pro 500x500 Saturn is like $15 at LGG, which is a very solid value imo, which leaves a lot of budget for the mouse. Just looking at Endgame you could get an OP1 8k if you don't mind the wire or a XM2we if you do. Mice preference is mostly dictated by your specific grip style and hand size so you sort of have to narrow it down a bit. Scryox V8 is also a good budget option but a bit lower profile and narrower than what you might be expecting if you are coming from something like an ergo. I remember seeing GPX superlights (the original not v2) go as low as $80 at some places. Some people really like the GPX shape and at that price point it could make sense.

Razer Viper v3 pro i have same grip and handsize. Best mouse imo tried op1 (too small), xm2 (good but i like more bulk) GPX2 (similar to viper but worse shape feels like potato)

Your hands are not small - middle hands are from 17 till 19 cm (middle mouse 116-125 mm). So, generally for this hand and palm grip You need mouse 120 - 126 mm, but You feel that 125 mm Superlight is big. It looks a bit strange measure Your hands once again from wrist crease to middle fingertip. You tell that hand is small, but it is not. Taking into account above, I suggest You to go to the first PC shop and found some size of the mouse which is good for You. Anyhow, lets find something for You inbetween 118-122 mm - all of them good. 1. 122 mm Razer DeathAdder V3 HyperSpeed - smaller version of Deathadder V3Pro (one of flagship mouses) 2. 122 mm EGG XM2we - good mouse with optical switches. Not expensive 3. 122 mm ATK Z1 ProMax / Ultra-solid good mouse with best inside. Chinese, good, not expensive. (they have 118 mm ATK F1 - I'm afraid it might be too small for U) 4. 120,4 mm Pulsar X2H v3 or 122 mm Xlite v4 middle size (not Large) - good new mouses with optical switches and sensors... 5. 119 mm LAMZU Maya 4K (not Maya X) or LAMZU Fnatic MAYA 8K - very good mouse, with special top coating, good optical switches and sensor... 6. 118 mm Scyrox V8 or 119 mm scyrox V6 - good chinese mouses with best inside. 7. 118 mm Hitscan Hyperlight - new very good mouse with best inside.

Mam endgame xm2we i jest wystawiona na eBay, a to z powodu samokliknięcia przy używaniu scrollu 🤷‍♂️. Nie często się to zdarza, kilka razy dziennie scroll i samoistnie lewy klawisz myszy klik, i jest ciężka 😅. 

Imagine op1 as much thinner and flatter sides atlantis mini with the hump feeling rounded in your palm. X2h mini digs and fills out your palm so much more with the hump being rounded as well, you will have trouble for micro adjustments if that's what you usually do when aiming. For xm2 just imagine model o but the hump fills out your palm entirely, also xm2 hump feel less filling in your hand than the x2h mini. Still not much room for fingers maneuverability. I don't know what you're really looking on a shape so I'll just describe how it feels in the hand.

I'm using an xm2we from Endgame Gear for a bit more than a year now and I'm very satisfied. Not sure about longetivity but so far no issues.

Got mine today, exceptional

Since the x2 is such a universal shape at this point, I’d prob suggest the tried and true XM2 or OP1 shapes

Loved two of them until the scroll wheel sensor started acting up and my scrolls turned into mystery adventures lol. If they even registered the scroll…

The Ninjutso Sora v2 is a premier small mouse claw shape. It’s a similar size to the x2 but slightly bigger. The XM2 is a fantastic claw shape but bigger and wider. The OP18k is a top tier mouse that’s still on the small side. Any of those three mice are great. All those mice are pretty fantastic tho EGG’s quality is impossible to match. I’m personally loving the Sora as a claw shape for small hands.

While true it’s very small id say because I went from a g302 to a xm2we with glass skates and not much changed tbh

Recently moved from ZA-11 to XM2We, it's a nice mouse but I lost a lot of the precise control that the ZA shape offers. So then I picked up a ZA-13DW and absolutely love it. As far as I know there isn't another mouse with this shape.

I feel like OP1 is the best claw shape for small and medium hands and xm2 for big hands. Dav3 for palm grip even though, me personally I liked the size of dav2 more, because it is larger if I recall correctly.

Xm2we, good for my claw grip. 60g

Ec series, da v3 pro, I was getting hand cramps with an op18k but thought if I had a wide mouse it's feel a lot better so bought xm2we and it's more comfy than the DeathAdder v2 for me even being symmetrical.

21x11cm. I can’t claw my G403, ZA-11, EC-1, or pulsar xlite large (all the largest mice on the market) without my fingers going way past the scroll wheel almost hanging off the front, and the thumb going way past the side buttons. My XM2 feels minuscule to try and claw especially with the tapered in sides. Thus I have to fingertip grip.

Hehe I brought the OP1 and XM2 to my office for a straight week, on top of gaming. I personally cannot claw or palm 99% of mice, and for pure fingertip the OP1 was much more comfortable. The XM2 has more strongly curved sides I disliked over the OP1. I have literally no joke each of the mice the guy mentioned below (besides model O),I don’t rly agree with him at all.

got the xm2we and my mousewheel started jumping, sadly. looking for a replacement

I just switched my grip so I could use the egg xm2. Nothing actually fits my hand

yeah i did. its now pretty aggressive but im used to it now that i stopped trying to find something that would work and suit my needs. i have a trackball if im not gaming too so that helps

how large are your hands? i have very large hands and i can claw the xm2 well enough and the zowie fk1+ also fits me pretty well

I know I own it. He’s asking for convex click shapes which the xm2 has

This or the XM2 if you can find it. Can't go wrong. If you must be wireless then go for the X2H. But beware people return Pulsar mice because the main clicks can be crap. I returned two X2H and an X2 V3 before getting decent copies.

Just recently got an XM2 and now I am an addict. Probably my favorite mouse out right now.

Endgame gear got you covered. Eighter with the op1 , or the xm2we. I have the second and it's a tank.

Although it's true that mechanical switched develop double clicking, with modern mechanical switches it doesn't happen as quickly as with older mice (like the g203). If you want, the xm2we has optical switches, and doesn't cost more than the op1 8k.

I’ve loved my xm2we, great shape, the clicks feel tense at first but you get used to it. Damn nice mouse

Lot of closely similar options but really depends on what kind of hump you like or the placement of it… I’ve been down the rabbit hole and ended up with an X2V2 MINI, there’s a cheaper alternative with an identical shape the MCHOSE L7, good build $50 cheaper and good build. Other options are… XM2WE, OPM1, Lamzu Maya… Eloshapes.com helps compare shapes so you can see what you think you may like. I find the XM2WE a bit too wide for my hands yet I still found it very comfortable to hold and use, just wanted something more fine tuned to me. OPM1 I found was too thin on the sides for me, opposite of XM2. Both have incredible build quality and click feel. Maya I found the hump was too far forward for me and also too high. The MCHOSE and X2V2 mini was very low profile, light, and perfect width for me personally. I ended up liking these two the most and went as far to get a pulsar custom variant. Hope this helps! And good luck

i have xm2 and op1 fingertip both fine but maybe not as good as a proper fingertip grip mouse

I got incott v2 pro, I do like it but not a fan of the gpx shape(I wanted to try the shape, that's why I got the mouse) but after some testing, I just prefer the shape of my xm2we for claw grip. Incott is a very good mouse but the shape is not for everyone. Most of the pros use it but it's not for everyone.i just use it for normal usage on PC, pretty comfy mouse when not claw griping

so the xm2we is the essentials version of the wireless, so it has optical switches, but they're quite heavy so requires more force to click, not a lot like but it feels significant, the xm2w 4k uses the kailh gx switches for the lowest latency spdt switches if you want to look it up, they feel awesome but I have felt sometimes they click a bit too fast the only thing that I've found to have a bigger hump is a za zowie mouse but the only one thats wireless is the za13, if it was the 11 i would have no need for another mouse as for artisan, the type99 is THE control pad, its so easy to control your aim for me, the zero is basically a qck just a better version of it, like much better, so slightly faster, I prefer the control of the type99 what I will say is for the past few days I've been falling in love with my pulsar x2v2 again and I have ordered the tenz collab mouse as it looks to tick all the boxes I want in a mouse (21x11cm hands for reference)

If you claw the xm2 might be the one for you.

I have almost all the mice that people are mentioning. imo the op1/xm2 are awful to grip like this, anything with even moderately curved sides gets pretty uncomfortable after long periods of time. I too have forayed into a finger tip grip albeit with smaller hands. If you get a pure fingertip mouse i think youll be disappointed with you handsize might lead to a bit of hand cramping. Id try stuff like the: * ATK MAD R MAJOR * Pulsar X2/X2 mini crazylight * pulsar susanto none of these have truly flat sides though. I did feel that the crazylight with grips was end game for me at one point. Pingu's aim is cracked but my experience with pure fingertip is this: it felt impossible to get the same grip consistently. Putting different amounts of pressure on the sides and downward on the mouse will affect how you aim in pressure situations. If you really want to go finger tip check out this one! hopefully it comes back in stock too [https://www.bymidorigroup.com/products/opt1p](https://www.bymidorigroup.com/products/opt1p) I think it checks a lot of your boxes and being wider may help with your sized hands hope this helps and happy aiming!

anyone who've used both know if this is a good upgrade from an XM2we? Kinda torn on what mouse to buy and have no way to test mice before buying where I live. The XM2 grip was nice but weight could be better.

I think you have a lot of options in that grip style, and I’d just go with something you enjoy. I can pincer my x2v2 and sl2 easily. I’d say the x2v2 is the most agile of those followed by the sl2. My xm2 has too much back hump/width and fills the palm more consequently even tho it’s shorter than an sl2. Since my hand is about 5-10% bigger than yours I’d probably guess the x2v2 or something similarly low profile and around 120mm length would be nice

Xm2 is a great large hand option for symmetrical mice, and the waizowl cloud looks good but I haven’t tried it personally Teevolution Terra, dav3, ec1 and Logitech Dex are all a little more hand filling and great weights, but not symmetrical

Neither really. The xm is kinda chonky for fingertip and the op1 is kinda small and narrow for big hands. If I had to choose it would be the op1

I use to main the Fk-1 C. Waizowl Cloud - $50 Alixpress. Similar to fk1 but wider. XM2 We -:$80 Amazon US. similar to fk1 shorter and hump is little bigger.

Sounds like OP1 or XM2 would be the perfect mouse for what you try to do. High back hump so you can still maintain partial palm contact while claw gripping and lighter but not made of air so you don't have a hard time transitioning.

Scroll wheel encoders get gunked up. learn to solder. Grab yourself a XM2 or a OP1 and you can swap out the switches whenever you please.

Finger tip grip is the only answer for me. I use a viper v3 pro / xm2 I have big hands too.

19x8 im using xm2 rn but the qc is so bad

Keychron M6 or M7 are great G502 style modern affordable mice. They have higher polling optional or 1K if you don't care. These are durable and surprisingly good OP1 / XM2 are insanely well performing mice but more competitive performance that happens to be comfortable and hard wired. These are durable and performance focused. Pulsar makes some cool designed mice that are competitive but pricey well designed mice with a nice web UI. Performance and Aesthetics with good build quality but more brittle than some.

XM2WE is on sale on Amazon right now and it’s a great shape but some people do think the clicks are too heavy

after doing some shape testing with 3D printed test shapes, I just pulled the trigger and went with the XM2we :)

I'd also like to point out that the shape is actually much more comfortable than the printed one since it actually sits a bit higher due to the glides

I really like how well defined the clicks are. I'm used to old Razer mice and they tend to be a bit mushy with a bit of pre and post travel

This was the mouse that made me love lightweight mice. Excellent pick.

I’d say to try out an XM2 for claw/fingertip. Stay away from ergonomic unless you palm.

I’d say 85% true fingertip, and I’ll occasionally pull it closer to a lazy fingertip, or I guess it’s called pincer grip??. It’s just the hump of the XM2 will graze occasionally,as it’s designed to, and it throws me off. I was just looking at the Atlantis mini champion edition, or a hyperlight with the forward sensor.

Xm2 is concave. It has quite a pronounced thumb groove. It's just that eloshapes doesn't show it

Yeah it’s the same specs as the op1 8k. It’s one of my favorite claw grip mice, one thing that I have to say is the back width of the mouse can restrict your movement sometimes, it doesn’t look very big on paper but it fills up your palms pretty well. I have the xm2w which is just the wireless version of the xm2

i would say you need a bit of a wider mouse since your hand is relatively large compared to the lenght of your fingers, so the op1 might be a bit too narrow and thus cause some tense hand. If you like endgame gear you could try the XM2 W

I have the wireless version and absolutely love it. It's a really good mouse and this is coming from someone who has a fuck ton of mice. I find the op1 a touch too small and the xm2 a touch too big so I got the vaxee x sora as it literally right in between those 2 mice as size goes, and I think vaxee has one of the best wireless implementations in the mice industry, which imo, plays a really big role in wireless mice, which often people over look. Good wireless performance will make a mouse feel like it has a better sensor than its competitor if they don't have as good of a wireless implementation. I barley noticed a difference between my Vaxee.X Sora and my OP1, so endgame gear passes the test there. I would rank the OP1 an S tier mouse, with a top of the line sensor. the v2 is probably a 3950 sensor as the V1 is a 3395 sensor. Even though you got the wired version, the wireless also has great wireless implementation, at least the op1 w 4k does imo. I highly recommend the mouse and below are my reasons to why the OP1 is Great, shape wise. Unfortunately, the Vaxee x Sora has a much wider back than I anticipated. Elo shapes can only help so much with predicting how a mouse shape will feel. The vaxee x Sora is a perfect XM2w 4k clone that's a touch smaller in my opinion. The OP1 is also very similar in shape but where the difference lies is the mouse has a more narrow rear. the Xm2, Vaxee X Sora, and OP1 all are identical claw shaped mice, in a small, medium, large format. but I think the OP1 has a slight difference from the XM2 and Vaxee Sora, and that is the OP1 has a more narrow rear, while the XM2 and Sora have a wide rear that fills out your palm more. The OP1 having a more narrow rear than the Xm2 and Sora, allows for easier micro adjustments in my hand. You see, Palm contact is Great for stability, and no palm contact and just fingers is great for micro adjustments. The XM2 and Sora having a wide rear, and being more wide all around, fatigues my hand more and makes too much contact with the sides of my palm, giving too much stability, and I can't make as seamless micro adjustments with my fingers as I can with the op1 4k. The OP1 still has a high rear, but it's just more narrow, allowing those side areas to be hollow in my palm, so I can make micro adjustments with the OP1 without it getting snagged on the edges of my hand, all while still have a high rear so I can still make contact with the top of my palm for when I need stability.

They do make a ton of mice like that. You need to look for mice that are specifically made for claw grip. Pulsar X2 or X2H is like that. Endgame gear OP1 or XM2 are also like that. Sora v1 , or Vaxee X Sora are also like that. I'm sure there plenty more that I can't think of from the top of my head. The hour glass gives your fingers better leverage to really handle the mouse but yea, if your hands are too big or small for the mouse, it can cause issues. I honestly would say the Logitech GPX has a very very subtle hour glass, that it will probably feel pretty flat on the sides for you, it's one of the safest first mice for a reason. Asus harpe ace if I remember correctly is also pretty flat on the sides, it's shaped like a Logitech GPX but just longer.

Viper v3 pro would probably be fine, but it's definitely big. You might be more comfortable on a lamzu Maya, egg Xm2 or op1, or hitscan hyper light. People rave about zowie as well, I just don't know them well enough to recommend a specific model. People also love Scyrox, except some people complain that they do not implement the sensor very well. I would investigate more. It might be a great choice for you. One key thing to know is that every single mouse these days uses the same 2-3 sensors and 2-3 processors. Those sensors and processors have a baseline capability, so really performance on mice these days is just a non-issue. Some companies create firmware that works better than others (hence why people complain that the same sensor feels worse or better on one mouse than another), but ultimately the most important feature is *shape*: How it feels in your hand, how it feels to move on the surface of your mousepad. Also, consistent reports and reviews of good build quality is important. Research is the best way to find what you like! I personally ordered multiple and kept the one I liked the most. Just make sure where you're buying has good return policy if you do that.

I have big hands, slightly bigger than yours and almost exactly the same grip. I have a Viper v3 pro but I prefer and main the XM2 from Endgame Gear. The shape is S-tier, you won't regret it.

The gpx isn’t a good mouse for the price at all. Go for the end game gear xm1 or xm2. They are pretty wide and the side curvature is pretty good for 1-3-1. It’s a little cheaper than the gpx and on Black Friday it’ll be even cheaper

Ended up with the XM2. The shape fits my hand like a glove. Thank you for recommending me this mouse :)

Look into End Game Gear. EGG XM2 looks like it belongs in an office not in a pile of rainbow puke.

egg op1 or xm2 line, hitscan hyperlight, mchose L7 (I'm getting this one soon)

Endgame Gear XM2 would be my recommendation. Feels fantastic.

It's also got a really nice grip on the ring and pinky side. Think it would be perfect for your aggressive claw style.

I have to physically correct the swing. Like changing the natural swing i would do to a more unnatual curve, for me at least. I end up pulling my arm more kinda downwards on a swing to the left and the other way around. There maybe is a Software fix but it mostly roots from the way im Holding my ergo mice. I just Stay on my egg xm2 tbh

If you like the OP1 and it’s just too small try the Endgame XM2. It’s very similar just bigger. I have 20x10 hands and it’s perfect for me.

How big are your hands exactly? I have 20x10cm and really enjoying the endgame XM2. I also liked the pulsar Xlite large but it was even a little too big for me

I would definitely recommend the XM2 then, it’s a larger version of the very popular OP1. If you want a more aggressive locked in feeling it’s my favorite mouse I’ve used.