Fnatic x Lamzu - INCA

From the shape comparison, I think I’m fine with my Inca Lamzu for now.

I haven’t found my endgame yet sadly. I have a feeling it might be the Za-12. I like the Lamzu Inca but it feels a little small for me. Unfortunately there isn’t a light weight version of the Za-12 yet so I’m not really sure what else I can try. For my keyboard, the MCHOSE Ace 60 Pro.

Just curious have you tried any mice that force you to claw? I was a big palm grip guy until I got a lamzu inca and it’s basically forced me to use a type of claw.

Lamzu Inca with asus rog moonstone pad and DrunkDeer A75Pro keyboard

If you want the best click in the game (imo) it's lamzu inca. If you play fps a lot and use pistols or dmrs, the lamzu inca is the best.

Dawggggh. I've used the inca maya for like 30 minutes right now and it's SOOO good. I dont understand why people say that the deathadder v4 pro is the current best gaming mouse available when a mouse like this exists. The clicking which is imo much better than death adder, the weight as well and movement on my artisan zero is much better apart from the shape which the dav4 is better. I dont think I even want to attempt to make another amazon buy to see if there is a better mouse available, this has to be the winner for me...

X2h, Pulsar TenZ, Scyrox V8, Lamzu Inca/Za13 A few high humps I can name that I tried, Inca is my personal fav as its narrower

do you want an ergo or symetrical mouse? if you want symetrical there are some high hump options, with the one im using right now being the lamzu inca, same shape as zowie za13

Scyrox V8, Pulsar X2H Crazylight. For a bit bigger size Lamzu Inca. Not the same shape but close enough, worth a try.

I got the Lamzu Inca and liked it better than the Maya. It is my main rn. Really good mouse. I bought the Maya and sold it.

I just got the Lamzu Inca and it is awesome My fav mouse and I tried many

I'm a new mouse enthusiast that was **CRAZY** enough to purchase **11 different gaming mice** so you **DON'T HAVE TO** lol. I'm writing this to conclude my hyper fixation (hopefully). **TLDR: Shape is king!** YouTube mouse reviews are helpful, but reviewers have to nitpick things that really don't matter for the average consumer/gamer. Eloshapes and RTINGS 3d Comparison are great tools, but ultimately holding a mouse in-hand is the best way to compare shapes. Mouse sensors are pretty much all great these days and click latency feels identical unless you are a pro gamer or superhuman. Don't worry about latency and sensor/click performance unless you have issues with a specific mouse. High polling rate capability should be the least important factor when deciding on a mouse IMO. 2k and above are nice to have, but anything above 4k is totally unnecessary unless you have the PC to maintain good FPS and want to. Most Valorant/CS2 pros still use 1k in actual events/matches. Also a good idea to update firmware for receiver/dongle and the mouse itself right away to minimize any known issues. **WAIT at least 1 week after buying a mouse before deciding if you want to return or keep,** your first impression of a shape is fairly reliable. However, some of these mice grew on me heavily after I gave them more use and time to find a comfortable grip style. **DON'T impulsively buy mice like I did either (hindsight is 20/20 haha). Definitely try the Scyrox V6 if you have smaller hands and didn't quite enjoy the G Pro X Superlight shape.** **Spend the least amount of money possible. More expensive mice really don't feel much better than budget options from Scyrox and other competition. Only spend a lot if you are positive that a particular shape is what you want.** Most of these mice were bought through Amazon Prime. In total I ended up returning 5 of the mice over time. I play **Valorant 99 percent** of the time. I'm a hard stuck Gold player in Valorant with around 1600 hours played on and off in the past 2 years. (hate but also love the game) My hands are on the smaller side at\*\*: 17.5cm x 9.35cm.\*\* I rotate between a relaxed claw/regular claw grip. I always keep my wrist in full contact with my mousepad. I play on fairly low sensitivity in game. For Valorant and Kovvaks between 0.23 - 0.27 at 800 dpi. These mice were all used primarily on 800 dpi FWIW. **Mousepad:** Steel Series QCK XXL Heavy (Tabletop Mousepad). Has 1 year of use so is definitely more of a control pad. I've owned the original G Pro X Superlight for the past year and was basis of comparison for all of these mice. Going to rate these mice in different categories/sub-categories. Ratings will be out of 10. If you want more detailed info about any of these mice that I can't fit below please ask in comments. # Mouse Shape Comparison: G Pro X Superlight: **5/10** Safe shape that is a decent starting point for most hand sizes larger than mine. Definitely always felt too large for my hand size in length and the sides always felt too flat and wide. Shape is not distinct enough to easily have a consistent claw grip for my preferences. To say this mouse is uncomfortable would be a lie, just not my favorite. Razer Viper V3 Pro (Returned): **6/10** Think this is a better safe recommendation for claw grip for those who have medium to large hands. Compared to the superlight this mouse felt longer but more distinct in hand than the potato shape of the GPX. Sadly mouse really not ideal for smaller hand sizes like mine but if I had larger hands I would definitely prefer to GPX. Can still make work with smaller hands but have to fight the shape more. Pulsar X2 Crazylight (Returned): **6/10** Small mouse with a low side profile and not very much palm support towards back. Felt ok for me but it left me wanting much more palm support for claw grip in back hump. Side buttons always felt too cramped above thumb on left side, wish the buttons were positioned higher up. Would be better suited for a fingertip grip than claw IMO. Pulsar X2H v3 mini (Returned): **7/10** Compared to the X2 Crazylight/X2 mini shape, this mouse felt significantly better for relaxed claw and more aggressive claw grip. The length of the shape combined with the width and bulbous hump in back makes this mouse feel decently stubby, so it wasn't as comfortable as some of these other options for longer periods of use. Definitely try **Scyrox V8** instead which is pretty much a longer version of this shape that is cheaper and has better main clicks. Ninjutso Sora V2 or Pulsar X2 Medium similar options to V8. XM2w 4k v1 (Returned): **3/10** Sadly this shape was the only mouse that I found quite uncomfortable. This shape is very wide and I would definitely not recommend to anyone with hands similar or smaller than mine. The left side of the mouse I found to be ok. On the right side I couldn't find a comfortable grip for my ring and pinky fingers with the wide front flare. The back of the mouse also felt too wide for my hands to comfortably grip. **Really consider the width and length of your hands before buying this.** Think you have to like a wide in-hand feel even if you have larger hands. Lack of any button grooves also really doesn't help for comfort. Hump of mouse does not feel super supportive despite the dimensions listing 39mm tall. The width of the hump makes it feel way shorter to me. OP1w 4k v2: **7.5/10** Highly recommend this shape for claw grip if you have small/medium hands. Feels much more comfortable and precise than the XM2 for me. From what I hear also a great fingertip grip choice for all hand sizes. Narrowness of mouse and not the most palm support make this mouse become a bit fatiguing after multiple hours of use. Still love the shape but feels like it only works for claw/fingertip for gaming/aim training. Wouldn't recommend for work/use outside of gaming. Not a safe recommendation for everyone. Unless you absolutely need the wireless version I would recommend the OP18k v2 instead since its lighter which would make a difference with how small and dense the shape is. Also is noticeably cheaper with the same build quality. Lamzu Inca (Returned then bought again): **9/10** You either love this mouse shape or hate it. Truly nothing like the Zowie ZA13 shape which this is a nearly 1:1 clone of. Perfect for all types of claw (relaxed, regular, aggressive/pincer). Shape is very supportive with a high rear hump and narrow waist on sides. If you enjoy OP1 shape but want something with much more rear palm support, this is for you. Downsides being it is basically an exclusive claw shape, you cannot palm this comfortably, maybe could fingertip with large hands. Also shape is very extreme and locked in which can sometimes feel too fatiguing or excessive when using outside of high precision gaming such as in Tactical FPS games. I actually bought this mouse twice. Returned it because I thought maybe it was too extreme but regretted and purchased a second time in a different color. If you have smaller/medium hands and want a very tailored experience for Claw grip gaming with ample palm support, definitely look here! Scyrox V6: **10/10** Wish I would have started with this mouse instead of buying everything else. I can safely recommend this shape to anyone who wants a smaller ambi mouse with ample palm support. It feels like a great blend between many different mice I reviewed here. Less extreme than the Inca which makes it suitable for palm grip to some extent or just a more relaxed claw. Feels like this is what the superlight should have been for me originally. If you have smaller hands than mine, I would recommend looking into the original shape this is based on, the G-Wolves Hati/HTS plus. The length of that mouse is a bit shorter but frankly I don't think the V6 is long enough to be uncomfortable for truly small hands. Zowie S2-DW (Returned): **7/10** Good fairly safe shape that feels more locked in than GPX Superlight. Mouse feels a bit too wide for longer periods of use and wish button height was lower in front. Didn't stand out amongst other options IMO. Zowie U2-DW: **8/10** Really unique shape that is great for a relaxed claw, claw, and even a hybrid palm grip. Has elements of ergonomic mice incorporated such as the inner thumb curve on the left side. Not as good overall IMO since the hump is fairly flat feeling but still gives adequate support. Also think front button height should be lower to be the most optimized for claw grip. Definitely took a few days of use to really click with the shape and find out how to grip comfortably. Razer Cobra Wired: **6/10** Had high hopes for this since I wanted something similar to Viper Mini but really feels like this mouse is designed for fingertip grip primarily, even more so than the original Viper mini. I never tried the Viper Mini but from the RTINGs 3D comparison tool and Eloshapes it looks like it is a bit narrower on the right side and has a taller hump that tapers off more abruptly on the sides. Shape just feels like its lacking a ton of palm support for my preference and grip style. Found a way to somewhat comfortably grip by adapting a palm/relaxed claw hybrid grip but overall not ideal for comfort IMO. For fingertip grip on a budget though I think its a really great option. # Mouse Coating: OP1w 4k v2: 10/10 | XM2w 4k v1: 10/10 | Razer Viper V3 Pro: 9/10 | Zowie U2-DW: 8.5/10| Zowie S2-DW: 8/10 | Lamzu Inca: 8/10 | Scyrox V6: 7/10 | G Pro X Superlight: 7.5/10 | Pulsar X2 Crazylight: 7/10 | Pulsar X2H v3 mini: 7/10 | Razer Cobra Wired: 4/10 (just textured plastic not rubberized like rest) # MB1/MB2 (Main Clicks): OP1w 4k v2: 10/10 | XM2w 4k v1: 10/10 | Razer Viper V3 Pro: 7/10 | Zowie U2-DW: 8/10 | Zowie S2-DW: 8/10 | Lamzu Inca: 8.5/10 | Scyrox V6: 9/10 | G Pro X Superlight: 6/10 | Pulsar X2 Crazylight: 8.5/10 | Pulsar X2H v3 mini: 6/10 | Razer Cobra Wired: 6/10 # Side Buttons: OP1w 4k v2: 8/10 | XM2w 4k v1: 9/10 | Razer Viper V3 Pro: 6.5/10 | Zowie U2-DW: 10/10 | Zowie S2-DW: 8/10 | Lamzu Inca: 7.5/10 | Scyrox V6: 6/10 | G Pro X Superlight: 2/10 (god awful) | Pulsar X2 Crazylight: 7.5/10 | Pulsar X2H v3 mini: 8/10 | Razer Cobra Wired: 5/10 # Scroll Wheel/Scroll Click: OP1w 4k v2: 8/10 | XM2w 4k v1: 8.5/10 | Razer Viper V3 Pro: 7/10 | Zowie U2-DW: 7/10| Zowie S2-DW: 7.5/10 | Lamzu Inca: 6/10 | Scyrox V6: 5/10 | G Pro X Superlight: 2/10 (god awful) | Pulsar X2 Crazylight: 10/10 | Pulsar X2H v3 mini: 10/10 | Razer Cobra Wired: 4/10 # Weight Density/Overall Weight Compared to Shape: OP1w 4k v2: 7/10 | XM2w 4k v1: 7.5/10 | Razer Viper V3 Pro: 9/10 | Zowie U2-DW: 8/10| Zowie S2-DW: 6/10 | Lamzu Inca: 10/10 | Scyrox V6: 10/10 | G Pro X Superlight: 7/10 | Pulsar X2 Crazylight: 10/10 ( too light for me but perfect for some) | Pulsar X2H v3 mini: 7/10 | Razer Cobra Wired: 6/10 # Stock Mouse Skates: OP1w 4k v2: 7/10 | XM2w 4k v1: 7.5/10 | Razer Viper V3 Pro: 9/10 | Zowie U2-DW: 10/10 | Zowie S2-DW: 9.5/10 | Lamzu Inca: 9/10 | Scyrox V6: 7/10 | G Pro X Superlight: 6/10 | Pulsar X2 Crazylight: 6.5/10 | Pulsar X2H v3 mini: 6.5/10 | Razer Cobra Wired: 6/10 # Software: OP1w 4k v2: 9/10 | XM2w 4k v1: 9/10 | Razer Viper V3 Pro: 3/10 (f\*ck Razer Synapse) | Zowie U2-DW: n/a | Zowie S2-DW: n/a | Lamzu Inca: 10/10 | Scyrox V6: 10/10 | G Pro X Superlight: 7/10 | Pulsar X2 Crazylight: 8/10 | Pulsar X2H v3 mini: 8/10 | Razer Cobra Wired: 3/10 (f\*ck Razer Synapse) If you made it to the end here thank you for reading!!! Basically learned a lot here and was fun but hope this can save you from making the same mistakes as me. Also there is no perfect mouse shape but I've learned you can definitely get really close to finding the right shape for you! Definitely highly recommend Lamzu and Scyrox mice, think they offer great build quality, shapes, performance, and overall value. FWIW it could be due to the great weight balance and shapes of the Lamzu Inca and Scyrox V6 but I truly feel like I am performing my best in-game and in Kovvaks using their PAW3950 sensor implementations and Omron optical switches. Every sensor was perfectly fine on all these mice reviewed with no issues. However, there does seem to be something so responsive about the Lamzu and Scyrox sensors to me.\\ Have to give huge props to Zowie though for coming up with so many of these iconic mouse shapes and also the DW series from Zowie felt the most premium of all of these options (their price reflects this though). If you love a particular Zowie shape they offer in the DW series and want a mouse that will last you forever I would say they are 100 percent worth the premium price. They feel like they could survive an explosion and the sensors felt super responsive. The click latency is slower on paper than all these other options but once again felt impossible for my Valorant Gold player skill-level to comprehend any difference in latency to the Endgame Gear OP1 or XM2 that lead the market in terms of click latency.

Logitech G pro X SuperLight 2 (60g) or Razer Viper V3 Pro (54g) I plays CS2 also (since 1999, 5h per day currently) I really like the Logitech G pro X SuperLight 2 on a Razer Gigantus V2 it's a really good setup. I have the same hand form factor as you. Usage statistics by pro gamers : [https://prosettings.net/gear/stats/](https://prosettings.net/gear/stats/) Mice choices per pro gamers/teams : [https://prosettings.net/lists/cs2/](https://prosettings.net/lists/cs2/) EDIT: didn't see your budget try a Chinese mouse like the MCHOSE K7 Ultra (59g)

Mchose is now recognized by gaming community as Lamzu. But the Lamzu inca is over your budget, 119,99USD. And be careful with taxes in your country, for me the Lamzu is the price of a Logitech G pro X SuperLight 2 with VAT. I have experienced Chinese mouse with Incott G23 pro 8k : the web App control site and firmware has closed, left me with no more setting solution and when it was up the app was awful, I never succeed to upgrade the dongle firmware (all Chinese untranslated) and no support to contact. My hand size is 11x9cm palm and 7.5cm middle finger and the Logitech fit me perfectly, I'm a palm player not claw.

I too am a big fan of Lamzu mice. Some of the 4k versions also come with a regular 1K receiver, but not all. The Atlantis OG V2 is amazing - regular little usb receiver. The Inca and Maya X do not come with a 1k receiver as you noticed.

i'd go with lamzu inca

wow, it's $80 in my country

I dig it! I actually got it last week, so I 'm still formulating my opinion... Using it as we speak. It's more narrow/smaller up front than Maya X, I almost want to say it's like a less-intense X2H... it's got OP1 vibes as well with that shape, it falls somewhere around there. Clicks are on point, love Lamzu's wheels with that gummy rubber and the notches, I think it'll be a winner, although I'm not sure it will be as big a hit as Maya X... Looking at it next to my OP1 4K v2, that's the very obvious inspiration. A solid mouse from Lamzu once again, haven't had it long enough to tier it out but I like it a whole lot. I'd put it in my top 5 so far, can't make up my mind if I like it more or less than Maya X. [https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=lamzu-inca-vs.-pulsar-x2h-vs.-endgame-gear-op1-8k](https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=lamzu-inca-vs.-pulsar-x2h-vs.-endgame-gear-op1-8k)

I have tried around 40 mice in last year. I have 480 hz OLED with 9800x3D and RTX 5090. I got late into mouse hobby but I've tried most of the current premium lineup and some budget options. Lamzu is not as responsive as Logitech or Razer disregard of whatever you may think. Lamzu 3950 feels the same as ATK 3950, as Mchose 3950 as any other brand WHICH USES THE SAME OEM SOFTWARE ONCE THEY PUT A BATCH ORDER. Any company WHICH DOES THEIR OWN SOFTWARE IMPLEMENTATION like Logitech or Razer FEELS DIFFERENT. Disregard of sensor position or DPI deviation, in fact latest software on both GPX2 and V3Pro allow you to make 1 to 1 DPI. Mouse responsiveness is different and I would say that Razer, Logitech and Zowie are THE best in terms of software implentation for 3950 sensor. Razer has 0 delay Motion Sync which feels more responsive than Lamzu without motion sync (while Lamzu with Motion Sync is pure trash) Zowie also has bad motion sync but other than that feels good. Logitech is probably the oldest and the most weird but once you get used to it it is quite good as well. You may trust numbers or be delusional because "hardware is the same" but in hand feeling is different.