Fnatic x Lamzu - THORN (4K Compatible)

Pulsar Xlite v4 Large model probably. Pulsar is on Amazon but have 2 year warranty per their website. Intellimouse Pro maybe too (no wireless rip)? Lamzu Thorn as well. Lots of good big mice out there outside of Logi/Razer. Depends if you are wanting all the extra buttons. If you do, just grab the new 502 and don't worry about it.

I have a lamzu thorn and I like it quite well but I think it is small for my hand

Hi I just bought it I will let you know I have a lamzu Atlantis which is quite similar but the front is higher so it should be more comfortable

I'm a big ergo fan myself - my two current favorites are the Lamzu Thorn and the Pulsar Zywoo.

I've only had the Zywoo for less than a week. Still in the honeymoon phase, tbh, but I'm fan of it. No issues so far - plug and play and has responded as expected for a high profile mouse. I disagree with Thorn - I think, at this point, it's still my favorite mouse. The shape, feel and performance have all been top notch for me. Even as I enjoy the Zywoo, I keep eyeing it. I will go back to it at some point just to get a better comparison between the two. I have a similar hand size as you, fyi.

Mega nerd answer incoming: I am not a super competitive fps player, but I mostly play fps games and sometimes play ranked esports shooters with friends. I play on pretty low sensitivity, 400 dpi 25 sensitivity in bf6 for example. For me, the shape and size of the mouse is more important than the weight generally. The biggest improvement to the consistency of my aim was switching to a smaller mouse because it allowed me to use my fingers to micro-adjust the mouse with more control. Going from an older wireless razer deathadder that weighed 106g to a lamzu thorn which weighs 51g was very noticeable when doing large fast movements, like turning 180 in game. Smaller changes in weight, like going from 55g to 40g are not as noticeable for me. I personally can still feel the difference, but in terms of improving my aim it did not make a noticeable difference.

Try the lamzu thorn

i feel like the Thorn doesn't due to the size and shape. Not super restricting, same with Teevolutions Terra. These are my top 2 shapes currently as my wrist has gotten worse over time, so tucked waist mice that make me "pinch" fatigue me way faster

Bro I got like the same hand size as you basically, and very similar grip style lol, crazy. I got a YouTube channel for mice I have reviewed that I loved for small hands. Based on your grip style I can easily recommend: ZA13-DW will fit your small hands phenomenally because of your hybrid palm claw grip. I can’t tell, but if your pinky curls on the grip.l, it’ll fit very very nice into the side grooves of the ZA13-DW. If your pinky and ring finger are resting in the forward right side of the house, the front sides flair out very nicely to accommodate them. Also has a fantastic hump that’ll secure your palm as well. HITSCAN HYPERLIGHT is a super safe symmetrical shape that fits essentially every grip style, even your palm/claw grip because you have baby hands like me. Performance is top notch, and is extremely great price/performance. For a full palm grip: lamzu thorn, this thing is def one of my favorite ergos hands down for full palm contact. These three are absolutely going to be great choices for you, def look into them. I’ll plug my YouTube change here for you as I’ve reviewed both the ZA13-DW and the hyperlight and we have basically the same hand size. Cheers, https://youtube.com/@lobsterreviews-r1b?si=Qd-329zZbU0TWWZk

I have the exact same problem and most mice I've used so far caused me actual pain on my hand/wrist lol So far the x2h mini is the only "safe" mice I own. Ones I tested and can't use: any gpro based shape, Lamzhu Thorn, Pulsar xlite, any ulx based shape (causes less pain compared to the others but still far from comfortable). I'm looking into getting an op1 as it should be even flatter than the x2h at the front, at least when looking screenshots and 2d shape.

Same hand size, used the op18k, BeastX, Lamzu Thorn and Scyrox V8. Out of all of them the Scyrox V8 feels the most comfortable. But my grip tends to be palm / relaxed claw so your experience may vary.

I have a similar grip and the same size hands, have tried many many different shapes and the bigger ergos are most comfortable for me. Its possible to go too big for gaming though; I like to have the ability to still drag down a bit within my palm. Mice similar to the ec2 shape/size are safe for me. I like the vaxee outset ax a lot. Xlite large is comfortable but I cant drag it within my palm much. Have a rapoo vt3 gen 2 on the way that I'm hoping will be my main. There are a good amount of options that could work; Lamzu Thorn is another I liked for a while

I was consistently immortal 2 on GPX when I had one. Same with a SL12. Since then, I’ve switched to a Lamzu Thorn and have been stuck green rank 😭. Definitely just coping with that I’m washed 😭. Don’t think it’s related to the mouse but ergo is more comfortable for me. With that being said - I ordered an XM2 8k the other day. We’ll see how that goes!

My x6 is holding fairly well after a year. M1 and 2 have some play and there’s some grinding but a little masking tape on the trigger point of the switch helps. It also tightens up the pre travel. The huano BSPDs sound and feel amazing. My other mouse is a Lamzu thorn, the quality of it has been amazing.

Lamzu thorn is a banger and cheaper then the DaV3 pro. The Pulsar x3 is also very good.

I love my Thorn honestly. You can palm or grip it. It's a perfect hybrid mouse for me. I've been using it a lot here lately out of all of my mice.

It's sooo comfortable, but it limits my range of motion sadly. If I wasn't serious on FPS games, it would be my main.

Sadly there aren't as many light ergos as ambis. If you have bigger hands, I'd prob recommend lamzu Thorn. If smaller, get lamzu paro. If you don't want to get a lamzu mouse, or think I glaze lamzu too much, I'd recommend either pulsar xlite, or Wlmouse sword.

Mine are 19x10 so slightly different, but I find the Lamzu Thorn very comfortable for relaxed claw

Could possibly be too narrow of a grip for you so you are having to squeeze through your ring and pinky finger more to maintain a proper grip? I had a similar issue when I used an Atlantis mini and my fingers would cramp and get fatigued. I lost a little bit of mobility in the fingers with the Thorn but it’s much more comfortable and my tracking is significantly better and more consistent.

I buy blind om this becausw of sale around 100$ in my country this is good mouse better than my supelight 2 dex, very comparable to my lamzu thorn in shape and weight and i agree the build quality is perfect can use polling rate at 8k with 2.4Ghz booster but 8k vs 4k i see no difference for me its a good eveyday gaming mouse

Its up to you if you want to buy it or not but my opinion was my own they didnt pay me anything here for 110$ i like it better than my gpx2 dex, keris 2 and lamzu thorn. It hits the right spot for its price spec and build quality its reasonable i think but their keyboards? Nahh 100% nahhh

The lamzu thorn is a vastly different shape than the Xlite, the EC2, etc. Feels way different in the hand and IS way different in shape.

This. Thorn is known to have issues with clicks not registering.

lamzu thorn fnatic edition for an extra aim boost

fnatic thorn for a premium experience

In general if you are talking about Chinese premium mouse, shape irrespective, it should be the Lamzu thorn or the Maya X. If you want to consider only budget brands then Incott G23 V2(the Ghero pro is my fav tho), Scyrox V6/V8 and Rawm ES21/ER21 pro from my experience are the best especially in terms of general quality, tech, sensor perfoemance and QC. Followed closely by Mchose L7/A7/M7 and VXE mad R variants.

Is that the ec2? If so there is the ec3-c or -dw or e1 if you want a similar and smaller shape. Lamzu thorn maybe could work as well.

G703. Currently using lamzu Thorn, but still considering to test out new Pulsar X3.

EDIT: I tried the lamzu thorn, not the lamzu maya

i have similarly sized hands, change your grip. i use a lamzu thorn in fingertip and it’s pretty comfortable, need a damn good pad for that tho

used to main a thorn for about a year until switching to the dav3 hyperspeed. Haven't tried the dex yet but I'm more of a mini ergo guy

If you used superlight 2 and you liked that shape, pulsar just released a new shape colab, pulsar susanto x (it is similar but not same exact shape). A lot of people said is tood, you can watch some reviews on youtube. I have xlite v4 size 2, lamzu thorn, razer basilisk, and pulsar x2h. Now I am waiting in my new susanto X.

I have kind of your same hand size, have thorn, and is too small. Zywoo is kind of a little bigger not much. Go with xlite from pulsar size 2, i had it and is very nice, if not size 3 at most. Smaller than those 2 mice and it will be too small for your hand. Check maybe vaxee np ergo idk how big it is but the new one is regarded as one of the best mice this year and overall. Rn im rocking maya X 10/10!!

If you have not try them out, I recomend a lot pulsar, specifically for you size just like me. I have tryed the X2H V3 size 2 for claw (i realized I do not like claw) Then I bought xlite v4 size 2, best ergo imo for my hand size (same as yours) I do relaxed palm with mix of claw sometimes. Perfect! Iv had razer viper v2 mini, razer basilisk, lamzu maya, lamzu thorn. Pulsar just clicks for me.

Ok so i have 19.50 x 10 hands and these are all the mice I have tried and have: Logitech superlight - Razer basilisk- Razer deathader V3- Razer viper mini- Logitech g7 something (similar to razer basilisk)- Lamzu thorn- Lamzu maya X- Pulsar x2h v3 size 2- Pulsar x2 crazylight size 1- Pulsar xlite v3 size 2 - Pulsar susanto-x - From all of these, i sold most of them due to not feeling comfortable for me (i do relaxed claw grip) And the best ones I had are maya x. - 10/10 And exlite v3 size 2. - 8.7/10 Anything smaller than that I do not recommend really for our hands sadly. I want to try vaxee new NP ergo v2 wireless, its regarded as best mouse of 2025 and very suitable for you too. If you do not want any ergo at all, I would go for Maya X or you can wait for amazon release (Idk if they are available yet or no) pulsar x2 crazylight size 2 so you can try it and return it if do not like it. GL and lmk what you pick and hope you enjoy it!

Lamzu Thorn for me

Both

It is ergonomic

I don't know exactly what you are talking about with your mouse grip, but I full palm my mice and have have 19x10 hands too. I found the DAV3 great for the hand filling shape and the thorn was surprisingly still quite comfortable to palm grip despite its smaller size (I think this is attributed to the larger hump?). Can't speak on the others based on QC, but they are pretty similar shapes I think. If I had to choose I would personally go for the Pulsar Xlite V3 large just because Pulsar is doing a sale on their old stock.

I think the best part about this mouse is how quiet the clicks are. I use it for work and it’s just fantastic. On the other hand, my Lamzu Thorn has insanely loud clicks, probably because it’s really hollow.

Hey! I have a Lamzu Thorn 4k and the shape is amazing, I do have Small to Medium hands 18.5x10 and I play claw/palm. The thing with this mouse is that its ergo but not fully so you get loads of Control and really comfortable for long playing. I had 2 Pulsars that died on me. I did like the shape of them. DAV4 is also a really good option

the companies you listed pretty much have no issues. but im gonna rank them based on personal preference. 1. VXE/VGN (got the R1, but it creaks when i squeeze it, not a deal breaker) 2. Mchose (havent used any but they have really interesting shapes) 3. Zaopin (only have the z2 and its a solid performer overall) 4. Darmoshark (got the m3 but the build quality felt cheap) for context i also have a pulsar x2 superclear and a lamzu thorn that are priced way above the ones above and they have more issues than the other chinese mice combined.

Regarding ergos, I feel the same way. Lamzu Thorn is the only one I've had that doesn't have this issue. By far the best ergo mouse I've tried. That being said, I actually main the ZA-13 DW. It has that "hourglass" shape, but it's a narrow enough mouse with a deep enough groove that I find it very comfortable and precise.

One of my favorite ergos as well next to the dav3 hyperspeed, the right side feels very comfortable and has a lot of room for me to place my fingers. I’ve used the dav3 pro, Lamzu thorn and Xlite v3 but none give me the same performance as this.

I currently have a Lamzu Thorn, and I was considering this as one of the mice I might get in the future, since I'm looking for a slightly smaller ergo mouse. I was curious about how pronounced the thumb curve is on the left side of the mouse (for both the np 01s and the ergo, if one is more curved than the other or similar, and compared to other mice like the Thorn if you've tried it before).

Hi there,I appreciate the comment..I just saw your post and your grip ..I would say you have kind of a pincer claw/forward palm hybrid style with a  pretty steep tilt.You really like to have your ring and pinky fingers on the edge and because you have short hands for that mouse(gpx)you are forced to rise your wrist and compromise health and stability.I would recommend for you a medium/small size ergonomic mouse.Deathadder Hyperspeed, Pulsar xliteV3 medium or small,lamzu thorn,zowie ec2-c or even ec3-c could fit you well, something in that line, doesn't have to be expensive,maybe a Chinese medium ergo with good sensor to see how you like it.You should try if you like medium or small better..Hope it helps...

Hi there.Yeah,It seems that you are more comfortable with a small ergo mouse. Unfortunately there's is not much demand for that and there's few options.I would go with the Zaopin Z2 mini if you can only get it on AliExpress.Its not a true ergo,kind in between of ambi and ergo but it could fit you well.

A middle ground sounds great. Definitely need some innovation injected into the design process. I tried the Pulsar Xlite v3 and the Fnatic Lamzu Thorn recently, and while they were great mice, they just didn't feel right in my hand. The only thing that I truly love is the Razer Naga V2 Pro. I'd love to see some more innovation into mice that dive into the realm of MMOs/MMORPGs simply for the extra buttons.   My dream scenario: Razer comes out with a Razer Naga V3 Pro Wireless and the feature set of the new Naga is as follows:   **Overall** - * Significantly reduced weight (I use the 6-button side plate. Mouse weighs 131g). Around 70-80g would be welcomed. * Different color options. I'd love a Naga in that orange the [Fnatic Lamzu Thorn](https://us.maxgaming.com/bilder/artiklar/zoom/28212_1.jpg) uses. Maybe a blue like that [4Runner Voodoo Blue](https://www.butlertire.com/images/gallery/Toyota/4Runner/Toyota_4Runner_with_20in_Black_Rhino_Overland_Wheels/Toyota_4Runner_with_20in_Black_Rhino_Overland_Wheels_11886_30094_large.jpeg)? *Yes*   **Swappables** --- * Left, Right, Middle * Hot-swappable switches * Side Plates * Button Side: Keep the original 3 plate options **but** introduce a blank plate that consists of say.. 10-12 slots for buttons. Included in the package is a bag of many buttons consisting of different shapes. I personally love the 6-button (they label it as for MOBA's) side plate, but I would *love* an 8-button side plate. * Pinky side * Give us a few different plate options to customize the *width* of the Naga. * Scroll wheel * Different textured/weighted/RGB-accented wheels you can snap right into place. Maybe one that has a free/infinite ability like on some Logitech mice. * Palm * A few different plates for the palm hump. I haven't used it before, but that hump on the Zowie ZA13-DW looks so comfortable.

I have helios 2 pro and aria, both are my main. I have ninjutso sora v2, lamzu thorn, vxe r1 pro max and mchose. Shape is king.

I am a Thorn user and eventhough I love it I am switching to GPX2 DEX cause after trying it I am just better with it at gaming even with the fact that Thron is much more confortable for me (Weird that confortable doesnt equal performance :p) I tried the DEX on second hand (Availability issues in my country) before deciding if I wanted to switch or not so I tried stock skates already broken in and they felt really good for me on a Vaxee PE mousepad, which is crazy cause everyone talks shit about stock skates (I share the sentiment of them probably not being durable enough) but other than that can you recommend what skates do you think can bring a similar experience to stock saktes but being more durable? Or a direct recommendation on anyother skates that might feel good for aim tracking games (Mainly Apex Legends). Thanks in advance \^\^

Hello, I am a Thorn user but I am switching to gpx2 dex just because after trying it I am objectively better at aim tracking (mainly play Apex). What really was weird for me is that in hand feeling the thorn is naturally more confortable for me though I still perform better with the dex which is crazy to me that comfor doesnt equal performance. Also the reason why I am answering you to this post is just because I am curious on what skates did you purchased for the dex? I tried dex on second hand with stock skates already broken in and they felt really good for me eventhough everyone talks shit about them (I also think they are too thin and probbably they will have longevity issues but other than that they felt good for me). I do use a Vaxee PE and I am looking to change the skates for ones that feel similar to the stock ones but being more durable. Do you know any skates that can fullfil that request?

Game - 98% CS2 / 2% Marvel Rivals Mouse - Lamzu Thorn 4k Keyboard - Custom wooting60he Pad - Artisan Type99 Mid Headset - Logitech G Pro X Wireless

It’s not that weird. That’s a pincer claw grip with a strange thumb position. I do the same, but with the thumb below the buttons. Zowie EC2, Lamzu thorn, G Pro superlight, Asus Harpe Ace work for me. Might work for you too. Zowie ZA-13, Vaxee Outset AX or NP01-S get recommended for this kind of grip a lot, though I haven’t tried them.

No love for the Lamzu Thorn? Very light and has been a gem for about nine months so far. Very clean looks minus the grip tape.

E1, then Lamzu Thorn

I feel the Thorn is so underated

For me, Lamzu Thorn's and Dav3 Hyperspeed's shapes are the bests.

I'd recommend going with Hitscan Hyperlight. It's pretty close to what he's used to but has less curves and tha butt is much slimer but overall it's a safe shape. What's more important is QC. I got mine and it was a refresher to recieve a mouse that has no quirks or issues out of the box. Before that I got burned by Lamzu Thorn(had to test 3 samples to pick a good one), Lamzu Paro Aurora(right click is subpar, LOD is stuck at high setting), Lamzu Maya(1st sample had bad right click, 2nd sample is perfect), VXE Mad R(twisted bumpy bottom plate), Attack Shark R6(overall perfect but the main clicks end in a sharp stoppage so it gives me finger pains if I game all day).

Hello friend, thank you for answering :) now I use the lamzu thorn but I feel that it is very big, I also have the same strange grip but it seems that I am on the right track to find my ideal mouse, where I live only AliExpress arrives so if you could recommend an ergo mouse from that page I will buy it instantly, I was looking at the "zaopin z2 mini" it seems like a good option to you or if you know another that could suit me better I am open to listening to someone with more knowledge like you

I use fnatic x lamzu thorn, great mouse.

Xlite v3/v4 if if you want a longer and wider mouse than the xlite v2 mini it is also has a taller hump. Now for a back hump ergo teevolution terra, pulsar x3 / mini, pulsar zywoo medium / mini, lamzu thorn (or you can wait for the new model of Thorn which some said it's bigger than the current thorn), outset ax.

really? i thought all mice were like that lol, im using a lamzu thorn right now and the master 3s looks amazinv

Lamzu Thorn + Neo 65 wired w/ Akko V3 Cream Yellow. Not a pro gamer but I also work from home with my setup and it’s been going great for at least the past 2 years!

How is it? I’ve tried a medium pulsar xlite and a lamzu thorn (as of ergo shaped mice). I’m really thinking about the dav3 hs since it’s on sale right now on amazon. I really like the thorn, the medium xlite was just too big for me but their small might be too small

The Sora V2 sent me down this dang rabbithole. Tried roughly 20 mice after buying it in pursuit of perfection; mostly various ambidextrous mice similar to the Sora but also some ergos. The two mice remaining on my desk after 6 months are the lamzu thorn for mostly everything, and the VXE Mad R Major for CS2. The thorn is just so damn comfortable to me but it probably feels similar to the superlight in terms of weight. The VXE perfectly allows me to make quick & accurate microadjustments swapping between claw/fingertip. It’s 1mm longer and 3mm wider than the Sora V2 with flat sides compared to the Sora’s tapered ones. Most of the aliexpress mice I’ve received have been dogshit in terms of build quality, but the VXE’s been sturdy for nearly a month now. Side buttons on the VXE could be larger but I don’t use them for anything crazy in-game, just weapon inspect lol. I don’t see a lot of people talking about it since VXE is FTK’s budget line of mice, but at this point I’ll probs pray QC isn’t an issue and buy a backup copy.

Yeah I was wondering about this. I have a superlight 2 and viper v3 pro but couldn’t get fully comfortable with either. Feels like my ring finger is too far back, and my pinky has barely any room to rest. I changed to the lamzu thorn, and it feels really comfortable, but a little awkward to make small adjustments with such a chunky mouse. I think something similar with a more neutral shape, slightly flatter and thinner would be perfect.

Lamzu thorn and pulsar xlite v3. I like the side button placement of the thorn more.

How long do your scrollwheels last because that's always my main component that fails, I've gone through a handful of mice, I am currently on a lamzu thorne, 1 year in, everything is still working.

I really like my lamzu thorne, im one year in, its still going strong. A lot of my mice break scroll wheel so I am pleased to see it's a year in, with good battery life still so I am liking lamzu a lot and I'm happy I gave them a chance since I had a logitech mouse glitch out after a few months.

i can also vouch for the lamzu thorn as a relaxed claw user, and i also had pinky fatigue with the op1(=ying), i think its just how thin it is combined with relaxed claw

Definitely take a look at the Lamzu thorn, goated claw ergo shape.

It's the only ergo I've ever gotten along with, great for claw.

Lamzu Thorn is the best ergo shape I've ever tried.

lamzu thorn and copycat ajazz179pro

i also have lamzu thorn but for me the clicks are its biggest downside, it's been 9 months of daily use and i still hate them, i also have that steelseries prime mini which clicks feel better but are also heavier and the mouse is a little outdated having like 8ms of click latency according to rtings so i wouldn't recommend it either what i dont like about thorn switches is the feeling overall, my friend has a viper v3 pro and i wish my thorn had its switches

I'm currently using Thorn and I'm used to it. I used X2H Mini but I didn't like it.

I'm using it right now :D

I have around the same hand size as you ergo: DAV3, EC2, EC1, Xlite size 2/3, Zaopin Z2, Vaxee E1, Lamzu Thorn ambi: Maya X, VXE Mad R (small but I can still claw it), GPX, Viper V3 pro

Use a larger mouse pad (490mmx420), reduce dpi, mouse cursor should able to go from one side of the screen to other in 350mm, and don't use your wrist. Use your whole arm to move the mouse. The pain is most likely not the shape of the mouse but the constant wrist motion.  Lamzu Thorn for the mouse after you do the above. 

Maybe try the Lamzu Thorn? I have the same grip and find that very comfortable to use.

Felt the same way in comparison to the DAV3 and lamzu thorn when I had them. I like how the dex fills out my hand but I am still waiting on my replacement skates to arrive to use it more. I am also waiting for my teevolution terra to arrive so I can compare that too.

ergo mice work well for claw, a lot of pros who use claw tend towards ergo for the more comfortable profile - I'm a claw palm hybrid, sometimes main relaxed claw, and the lamzu thorn (smaller ergo) has been the most comfortable mouse I've used so far

Lamzu Thorn. Had a G502X Plus before but the Thorn has a more aggressive ergo shape which I prefer, and is lightweight too with 8K polling when I need it.

Yeah I've got a FNATIC one. Before getting it I tried XLite V3 Mini, which is just a smaller ec2. It didn't suit me at all lol. My thumb couldn't get locked in anywhere. It was just sliding across the side of the mouse. And the side buttons are placed horribly, my thumb was way behind them buttons so I couldn't press them comfortably. So I returned the Pulsar mouse and got the Thorn. It felt much better, its more on a neutral side tho. And I really do like Raesha Opticals somehow. They're on a lighter side which I really like. I've got 77 hours in kovaaks (jade tracking complete with some master scores in VT benchmark) so I've got some thoughts about Thorn and Mad R. And I'm a glass pad user btw. Thorn - gives sooo much stability for me. I play relaxed claw, sometimes agressive claw. The mouse feels locked in while still having the finger movement. Mad R - light af but yk how it feels already with Hyperlight. My other friend who's much better at aiming than me said that Mad R felt bad for him cause its like raised at the bottom and his fingers just crawl under the mouse lmao. Overall I like it, I mainly play static with it (I SUCK at static). The only thing I don't really like are the Omron switches (most fucking rng switches on the market). They feel do hard to click somehow lol That's it ig, if you any more questions, feel free to ask :3

Lamzu Thorn + Empress V2 Speed. Completed master on tracking yesterday >.<

I just got the pulsar x2 cl, it's so light and comfy, but I prefer lamzu maya over it. I was so greedy that I wanted better mouse than maya 4k, and tried g pro superlight 2, lamzu maya x, lamzu thorn, and my final conclusion is maya 4k, its the best shape I ever used in my entire life.

I swear to god my Superlight's sensor feels ever so slightly snappier than my Lamzu 4K. I don't like the shape enough to justify it tho.

My hands are similar to yours. Ended up going with a Deathadder v3 Pro after trying a slew of mice. Mchose A7 (gpx clone), and Maya X were too small, had to hold them in an odd tilted way to not feel discomfort. Even the Maya Thorn didn't feel right.