G-Wolves - Fenrir Max 8K Wireless Mouse

I was on the fence about buying the Beast Miao after using the HSK Pro 4k, HTR Pro, and X2F beta. As someone who has always fingertip gripped, I was previously using the Pulsar X2 Mini and other "small but normal" mice and made it work. But when I moved to the HSK full time, things started working so much better for me. The Beast Miao is my favorite fingertip grip mouse because of its width, contoured sides, crazy strong construction, and weight. It'll be hard for something to replace this one, I tried the Fenrir Max and found it too wide for my liking.

It is so strange: with a fingertip mouse I can play my best aim trainers / casual games: crazy reactions, absolutely mental shots here and there, almost all the time, as long as it’s just a casual match or DM. But in a competitive match, where there’s even a little bit of pressure or stress, my confidence can crumble fast and I start to whiff everything humanly possible. With a more regular mouse the experience is just much more stable. The highs aren’t as high, but neither are the lows. And as is well known, once things start going badly and confidence takes a hit, it’s very hard to push through those moments and keep relying on your fingertip mouse. I’ve really tried to give fingertip grip time just now, and I love those random moments of brilliance it gives me. I’ve also spent a long time developing and fine-tuning my RawAccel curve to go with it, which supports the grip and brings some stability to micro-adjustments. I feel there’s huge potential here. But it also requires me, personally, to always bring my A-game. This mouse type doesn’t forgive ANY mistakes the way a regular mouse does with more support. I do think I will seriously try to main Fenrir Max for now. I've already used it so much, that grabbing a GPX starts to feel like a slow brick in hand.... But I still have my hesitations every now and then.

Used original gpro/305 shape for years. Ended up on the g303 wireless for another couple years. Now I'm on a fingertip journey with the fenris max.

8k polling really messes with some games in my experience and causes choppy frames, completely overrated. Try fenris max from gwolves.

Depends on your grip, I'm fingertip and use fenrir max

I like to think of my different mice as "tools". Fingertip mice fill a niche that is quite unique, allowing you to do motions and training methods you can't really do with full sized mice. If I had one that was a decent fit for my hand size (looking at the upcoming fenrir pro) I might main them for some titles, but my main grip is still claw. Even then, I do pull my fenrir max out quite often for training and even games sometimes. If you're looking for your endgame mouse, I would consider conventional options first. If you have the disposable income to get one and also want one, I would recommend getting an ftip mouse, they're really fun to use even if you don't main them. I just wouldn't go into the purchase with the expectation of it being the end-all be-all solution to your mouse control shortcomings, as it's very likely not.

I have both! I prefer the asym. I find the coating to feel nicer and I like the low profile of it as well as clicks feel better. The back right flare is a nice addition but I don’t find it to be that noticeable. The max feels bigger and taller.

Man since I got my fenrir it has been on my desk. If it dies I used the htr but as soon as it has enough juice I use the fenrir. IMO it’s def my favourite mouse

I have a fenrir, great mouse. Great for games but I’d always recommend the regular hsk pro 4k or the Miao before you consider the asym

G-Wolves has a bunch of options. They make the best ftip. Fenrir is all the rage right now but my fav is still hsk pro

HSK plus is better. G wolves for sure has better build quality than Darmoshark and sensor implementation. I have multiple mice from both brands.

G-wolves Fenrir, WLMouse Miao, Darmoshark M5 Air, Keychron M4 for pure fingertip grip. Small mice, I would look at the WLMouse Beast X Mini, Zowie FK2-DW, Vaxee XE-S, Waizowl Cloud XS, Hitscan Hyperlight/ATK F1 Extreme, or Scyrox V6.

I’ve tried many over the last year, I think it really just depends on your preference of curved vs flat sides: Curved FM ULX, flat sides Pulsar X2 Crazy light. Also tried the G wolves fenrir which I really liked but caused quite a bit of hand pain overtime.

This parallels my experience when I transitioned from a FM ULX small to the G wolves Fenrir, I have a WL Mouse beast X Mini in route to transition back to smaller format mice. While I enjoyed the increased flick speed of the Fenrir similar to your own experience , I noticed the lack of stability between my main two anchor points (thumb & pinky) was forced to be completely parallel to the mouse which lead to my wrist feeling somewhat locked. Personally, being able to have those anchor points at a slightly angle really contributes to stability on those longer flicks I’ve noticed. After experimenting with different FT and smaller formats I really feel like the main contributes for comfort with FT grip come down to: hump size, enough length to allow for FT vertical adjustments and as low click wobble as you can find, there seems to be a strong suggestion for flat sides but in my personal experience with the newest crazy light it’s a matter of taste.

Agreed, G-Wolves offers shapes that 'force' you to adapt to them-- HSK, HTR, Fenrir, and so on; they're unique, and you conform to them (whenever possible, anyways). Pulsar's latest series featuring custom pro shapes are derivatives of existing shapes-- which makes sense, since pros mained well known mice beforehand anyways. The X2F is the only unique thing they've got, and in all honesty, it's not something super tantalizing for a fingertip-only user.

G wolves is honestly underrated. I understand the criticism against them, but they are undeniably the most innovative mouse company at the moment, especially in terms of weight.

Me in the corner with my G-Wolves, all alone.

Go with G Wolves on this one. Enjoy!

Once you go gwolves you never go back

I mostly use it to play aim trainer have no problem. But when playing fps game it does get a bit unstable when I trying to hold my m2 and try to lift off the mouse to reposition to mid of the mousepad. I think it is something to get used to. And yea if the click is lighter that would be an improvement I guess.

All gwolves mice comes with grip tape incase you don’t like their “golf ball” texture

Most people find it comfortable, so there’s really no need to change things up. They would probably make a new color variation than make a shape that’s gonna satisfy a small portion of the community. That said, there are promising products like Orbital Pathfinder, or G-wolves with their clay kit. Even if those aren’t within your reach, you can still try things out with a grip tape. It’ll help with the positioning and the grip itself, letting you hold the move effortlessly.

The battery isn't a bad thing, compared to say your rechargeable ones getting shorter and shorter runtimes as the months go by (my pulsar, basilisk v3, gwolves barely hold decent charge). I just swapped out my pro click mini batts after months, with weeks waiting to replace it with extra batteries on hand. I tried swapping out batteries on my g pros and it didn't end well. So yeah, replaceable batteries are good a good thing for me now :D

Not being able to change the color or turn it off is the only thing that pisses me off. Even Pulsar and G-wolves have that feature.

Oh man I had a bad G-Wolves mouse that sent me spiraling into gaming mice lmao I for sure get that. Based on everything you listed I think you should check out the Mchose L7 for sure. The original L7 is like an in-between of a X2 Mini (same shape as the Crazy light) and the Scyrox V8 (Sora V2) it's like a smaller overall mouse but has some really solid curves towards the front off the rear hump that gave you a really nice locked in feeling. The L7+ is a Sora V1 clone but honestly feels like the TenZ without a big ass rear hump to me. What are you rocking in the Pathfinder BTW? I'mixing between the LXM-110, the LAH-222 and currently doing LAM-110 build. I think what I need is something like an NP-01s honestly (which uh...is in the mail with an EC3 right now for me lmao) but VGN just dropped the Y2 so if I like the shape I may get that since its a super solid company.

Argueably, Gwolves is the king of Fingertip shapes. as a person who swaps mice alot, having a fingertip in a rotation every once and a while can REALLY help you're fine adjustment skills once you move back.

Weird take calling him a marketing Junkie and defending Logitech to the blood. I was a long time Logitech user and even tried a lot of razer mice but getting my first glorious mouse opened a new world for me. I tried some mice from lamzu, ninjutso, G-Wolves. And to my surprise they all felt better and were cheaper with at least the same quality. Hanging on brands like Logitech and Razer, etc is bad it think. It makes them stop moving forward, being innovative and sell their mice for a more competitive price.

I really like g-wolves mice, but this one is too big for me.

G wolves lol, why isnnt it on the list it clears those cheapos by such a long mile

On brand alone I’d go with G-Wolves any day