G-Wolves - HSK Pro 4K Wireless Mouse

I was on the fence about buying the Beast Miao after using the HSK Pro 4k, HTR Pro, and X2F beta. As someone who has always fingertip gripped, I was previously using the Pulsar X2 Mini and other "small but normal" mice and made it work. But when I moved to the HSK full time, things started working so much better for me. The Beast Miao is my favorite fingertip grip mouse because of its width, contoured sides, crazy strong construction, and weight. It'll be hard for something to replace this one, I tried the Fenrir Max and found it too wide for my liking.

There are very few with an adjustable sensor position. I only have experience with the razer orochi V2, Taipan, viper mini, viper mini SE and gwolves hsk pro. So I can only speak on those. You'll have to do your own research on pwnage. They seem to have produced some well priced bangers from what I've heard so I doubt they'll disappoint. The sensors on all modern gaming mice are overkill nowadays so I wouldn't worry about that either. I have a €300 mouse and never used its 8k polling rate.

Had no issue with my Gwolves mouse build quality wise. Currently imo they make the best wireless fingertip mice. Their software is ass though so changing your dpi, keybinds etc. can be annoying. They have a lot of very low weight mice (low 30g for full size and low 20g for fingertip) and they're not scared to experiment with shape so they have some very unique mice. If the conventional shapes don't do it for you gwolves has you covered.

Hey everyone, I’ve been using a relaxed claw grip for a while, but I picked up a used G Wolves HSK Pro recently to finally try fingertip grip. My main motivations were to break my bad habit of pushing my mouse down into my pad when spraying/shooting, and to see if the precision offered by fingertip gripping would help me be more consistent. For context: * Current pad: Artisan Hyate Otsu Soft * Tried hard pads before (Padsmith Empress, OG TJ Exclusives Cerapad). I stuck with the Cerapad for a bit, but eventually moved back to cloth. * Previous main mice: Scyrox V8, Ninjutso Sora V2, Fantech Helios II Pro (though I have plenty of others, they don't see much use). Side note, the 28 gram hsk makes my scyrox and sora feel heavy, which I never thought I would say. What I’ve noticed so far: * Small–medium flicks feel way more consistent. My headshot % in Valorant actually jumped from \~23% the week before to 31% this past week since picking up the mouse. * On the flip side, my micro-tracking and general tracking (especially vs strafing/counter-strafing targets) feel much worse. It’s like I’ve lost some of the control/engagement I had with my wrist/arm when clawing. * I've also felt like my longer flicks that require me to turn more have gotten less accurate (especially close range). This might also be from the same issue as my previous point. I’m guessing this might just be an adjustment thing since fingertip is such a different experience (and the HSK is so unlike any other mouse I’ve used). I have a G Wolves HT-S2 on the way that I’m hoping will let me fingertip comfortably but also give me the option to pull the mouse into my palm for some claw gripping if needed, maybe the best of both worlds. Another thought: the sensor placement feels noticeably different, which could also be throwing me off. Has anyone else run into these issues when switching to fingertip grip? Any tips on trying to engage my wrist and arm more... just time/practice? Appreciate any insights!

hsk pro 4k >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fenrir asym

almost same hand here, 20.8x10.7 I use the hsk pro 4k and the fenris asym, that are the 2 smallest mice available. embrace fingertip. also, that measure is like 90% standard percentile. Unless you can hold a basketball with your palm and not drop it, your hands are average.

hsk is the best ftip mice ever bad thing about gwolves, is that instead of continuing evolving with them and making even a little bit narrower to go to that "stylus / pen writing precission", now they are doing them but wider, which feels awful for a ftip mice.

Do you fingertip full size mice? If yes then by all means try the hsk pro or fenrir asym, if you palm or claw and never ever switch grips then don't.

What do you think of the main clicks / the switches inside? I run the HSK 4K and the Fenrir Asym looks like it might address the ring and pinky finger placement issues that I have with the HSK, but the HSK has what I consider to be easily the best mouse switches on the planet and I'm not sure I can move to anything that isn't as crisp feeling without missing them. Seriously, Zippy DF3-P1L1's are so sick. It kind of looks like the Fenrir Asym uses even smaller switches inside that are SMD mounted, so I couldn't replace them with P1L1's if I wanted to.

I was an early adopter for the HSK 4K when it launched (I was part of the batch that came with *spicy* batteries) and hadn't used ftip before. I pretty much adjusted within a few hours, it felt incredibly natural to me. Being able to move your arm for big movements and moving the mouse within your hand for small adjustments is so incredibly helpful. I was a relaxed claw grip before and noticed when I had to clutch or otherwise perform better, I noticeably tensed up my hand which ended up changing my grip - and sometimes led to cramps in my hand. That has not happened to me once since using my HSK and I honestly don't think I can go back to regular mice for video game use.

I’ll also chime in and say that, as someone with basically the same hand size, I love my fenrir asym. I started with the viper mini -> orochi -> fan tech aria xd7, finger tip grip on all of them, but switching to a finger tip mouse was awesome, to the point now where It feels uncomfy and clunky to use a full sized mouse. The asym is also a noticeable upgrade from the HSK line ( I mained a HSK pro for a couple years), the larger size feels much better and the shape is better IMO. It’s certainly the case that the type of mouse is a love or hate kind of situation, but as a finger tip grip main it’s a godsend. I’ll also add I hard disagree that the mouse isn’t meant for tac FPS’ (a common sentiment I’ve seen). I’ve maintained immortal 3 in Val for a while with this mouse shape, feels great. Again, certainly personal preference but i dont think the shape is inherently bad, just how it suits you personally

I have 21cm length hands and have to fingertip grip most mice. I have all the small mice like the HSK Pro, HTR, Darmodhark M5, OP1 and more. I can BARELY claw my G403 with my fingers almost hanging off the front of the mouse, so even though we have large hands I think it’s best we use small mice with FLAT SIDES. Or at least flatish. The curves really get in the way of the thumb imo. I recently got the pulsar crazylight and adore it for fingertip. It has nice flat sides, and enough height and length for my thumb. It also has a lack of a “hip” in the back which is nice. As a bonus it’s also 35g. I also have the Beast X Mini otw and think I will like that one but can’t say yet Also the other guy is right I cut out blanks of supergrips to fit any mouse I use, helps a lot with fingertip grip.

I really like it but wish it was just a tad bigger. I find the side buttons hard to hit. Much nicer for my large hand than the HSK pro though, that is getting just a bit too small for me.

I have a fenrir, great mouse. Great for games but I’d always recommend the regular hsk pro 4k or the Miao before you consider the asym

G-Wolves has a bunch of options. They make the best ftip. Fenrir is all the rage right now but my fav is still hsk pro

HSK plus is better. G wolves for sure has better build quality than Darmoshark and sensor implementation. I have multiple mice from both brands.

Mx518 g pro if you want the old shape. Recommend a grip change + benchmarks grind to create new muscle memory. I used to palm mx518, but I eventually did a fingertip grip on it for a while before switching to the g wolves hsk pro and darmoshark m5.

As someone who has made that jump, I love the Asym clicks more it's my favorite click of all time atm, (I used to use Logitech mice) but I think the clicks were the worst part of the HSK pro, so perhaps you shouldn't listen to me, I had to aluminium tape mod it to try to improve the pre travel. I would say there is more of a click in comparison and way less pre travel.

To be honest I don't think my opinions on the HSK clicks are based around the switch itself... maybe. I do enjoy the feel of the Asym clicks but there has for sure been improvement to how much the buttons wobble in the shell for example perhaps it's that. I'm gonna give the the Fenrir Pro a go as I miss the mobility that the HSK has, Fenrir imo is super stable for a fingertip but I miss the range of motion of the HSK.

Have you considered the HSK pro or HSK Plus?

Try looking for it on r/mousemarket I bought them both locally for $60 each.

Ok we do fingertip the same way. I also have huge hands. My favorite mouse for this grip is the HSK Pro. Its a fingertip mouse and even with large hands I love it. I would have never tried it but got it as part of a used mouse bundle I purchased. Its comically small but great. For fingertip I also enjoy the Pulsar X2v2 Mini.

G wolves lol, why isnnt it on the list it clears those cheapos by such a long mile

Yeah, i also cramped up on the hsk. Fernir asym has completely solved it for me, and my grip is much more relaxed now. My mouse control is also way better

Genuinely don’t have a main since I just rotate through a games way too often, so I’ll present my main for fast paced and tac fps games: Fast-paced (Mostly Apex atm) Mouse: G-Wolves HSK Pro Ace Skates: Unusual Way Sports Silver Fox dots (4x) Pad: Padsmith Crucible Pro v2 Tac fps (Mostly Valorant atm) Mouse: WLM Fabulous Beast X Skates: X-ray pad Obsidian Air dots (8x) Pad: Kurosun Shogun I’m shit at both games btw 👍

The HSK shape is for sure the most comfortable out of all the shapes I've tried; however, it is not my preference for all games. The lack of a rear and compact shape makes it feel fast and very maneuverable but unstable in a way, which is why I prefer full mice for Tac fps games. I'm looking to keep collecting fingertip mice, but will still add to my collection smaller "full" mice for some diversity.

I have the Keychron M4, Darmoshark M5, and G-Wolves HSK Pro Ace. My favorite (by a pretty wide margin) is the HSK, actually. The M5 _would be_ my second favorite, but my unit has tracking issues :/ The M4 is definitely solid, and for the price it is insane. But I found the shape kinda uncomfortable. I mostly use it as a travel mouse nowadays. I'm considering getting an HTX Mini as a secondary (since my M5 has issues) but it's pretty expensive.

Why would you get the HTR over the hsk pro line or even Fenris a slightly chunkier hsk pro, I mean if you want the best fingertip mouse at least buy the best fingertip mouse that G Wolves makes first.

HSK pro ace, 5k hrs

I have medium/large hands and I prefer to use HSK ACE pro or a superlight mouse like the FinalMouse Greek Gods edition Small size. And I don’t move my elbows - I just literally move my fingers to aim. I use a skypad 3.0 XL or a cerapad Kin and I barely use 10-15% of the pad surface area. This is because I grew up with a tiny desk using those 8x5” 3M mousepads you can get at Staples. I also don’t play those aim training games. Just hop in pop heads talk shit and log out. Also AI anime limited edition mousepads are kind of dumb. There’s a lot of collaborations that can be done with video game artists, concept artists, heck - even tattoo artists like Nissaco would have dope sales and don’t have to end up with some convoluted licensing agreement.

Yeah that’s me. I need it short and low. Settled with an HSK ace pro and nothing touches the back of my hand I don’t even move my arm, just move the mouse with my fingers with my wrist firmly planted

I had the HSK+ and HSK pro ace. I didn't like the HSK+ because the mouse gets thinner towards the back, whereas the pro ace gets wider. I wouldn't recommend the HSK+ for that reason

Hsk pro ace w/ obsidian reds and tekkusai singularity.

I'm with ya on all that, but I happen to like the weight. I've only had one mouse (g wolves hati) that was lighter than my model o and I don't think I want to go any lighter, but maybe I haven't tried the right one.

Are there any light optical mouse switches? The ones in the HSK are diabolically heavy for something in such a small mouse. They're heavy to the point that it's easy to move the mouse by accident due to how hard you have to press to click considering the lower stability of fingertip. I've never modded any other mouse switches, but I desoldered and swapped those out.

Agreed, G-Wolves offers shapes that 'force' you to adapt to them-- HSK, HTR, Fenrir, and so on; they're unique, and you conform to them (whenever possible, anyways). Pulsar's latest series featuring custom pro shapes are derivatives of existing shapes-- which makes sense, since pros mained well known mice beforehand anyways. The X2F is the only unique thing they've got, and in all honesty, it's not something super tantalizing for a fingertip-only user.

G wolves is honestly underrated. I understand the criticism against them, but they are undeniably the most innovative mouse company at the moment, especially in terms of weight.

Me in the corner with my G-Wolves, all alone.

Go with G Wolves on this one. Enjoy!

Once you go gwolves you never go back

I mostly use it to play aim trainer have no problem. But when playing fps game it does get a bit unstable when I trying to hold my m2 and try to lift off the mouse to reposition to mid of the mousepad. I think it is something to get used to. And yea if the click is lighter that would be an improvement I guess.

All gwolves mice comes with grip tape incase you don’t like their “golf ball” texture

Most people find it comfortable, so there’s really no need to change things up. They would probably make a new color variation than make a shape that’s gonna satisfy a small portion of the community. That said, there are promising products like Orbital Pathfinder, or G-wolves with their clay kit. Even if those aren’t within your reach, you can still try things out with a grip tape. It’ll help with the positioning and the grip itself, letting you hold the move effortlessly.

The battery isn't a bad thing, compared to say your rechargeable ones getting shorter and shorter runtimes as the months go by (my pulsar, basilisk v3, gwolves barely hold decent charge). I just swapped out my pro click mini batts after months, with weeks waiting to replace it with extra batteries on hand. I tried swapping out batteries on my g pros and it didn't end well. So yeah, replaceable batteries are good a good thing for me now :D

Not being able to change the color or turn it off is the only thing that pisses me off. Even Pulsar and G-wolves have that feature.

Oh man I had a bad G-Wolves mouse that sent me spiraling into gaming mice lmao I for sure get that. Based on everything you listed I think you should check out the Mchose L7 for sure. The original L7 is like an in-between of a X2 Mini (same shape as the Crazy light) and the Scyrox V8 (Sora V2) it's like a smaller overall mouse but has some really solid curves towards the front off the rear hump that gave you a really nice locked in feeling. The L7+ is a Sora V1 clone but honestly feels like the TenZ without a big ass rear hump to me. What are you rocking in the Pathfinder BTW? I'mixing between the LXM-110, the LAH-222 and currently doing LAM-110 build. I think what I need is something like an NP-01s honestly (which uh...is in the mail with an EC3 right now for me lmao) but VGN just dropped the Y2 so if I like the shape I may get that since its a super solid company.

Argueably, Gwolves is the king of Fingertip shapes. as a person who swaps mice alot, having a fingertip in a rotation every once and a while can REALLY help you're fine adjustment skills once you move back.

Weird take calling him a marketing Junkie and defending Logitech to the blood. I was a long time Logitech user and even tried a lot of razer mice but getting my first glorious mouse opened a new world for me. I tried some mice from lamzu, ninjutso, G-Wolves. And to my surprise they all felt better and were cheaper with at least the same quality. Hanging on brands like Logitech and Razer, etc is bad it think. It makes them stop moving forward, being innovative and sell their mice for a more competitive price.

I really like g-wolves mice, but this one is too big for me.

On brand alone I’d go with G-Wolves any day