G-Wolves - HT-S2 8K Wireless Mouse

TLDR: I naturally reverted to closer to a palm grip after trying to switch to claw and I feel like no mouse feels right. I want something sub 50 grams and I think I want a symmetrical mouse. I’m considering the new tenz mouse or the lamzu Inca. Hand size about 18 cm x 9 cm. Full story: I naturally did a full palm grip but I switched to claw and started getting better scores in aim training and performance / consistency in game. Have tried the following mice in this order: Logitech superlight, Deathadder V3, Lamzu maya, Ninjutso Sora v2, Viper v3 pro, now just received the g-wolves ht-s2. Maybe it’s in my head but I felt inconsistent with the ergo mice so I wanted something with equal weight balance. With the way I’ve been gripping the mouse recently as shown in the pictures I get cramps in the center of my palm at times and also feel like I’m very often adjusting my hand trying to get it in the perfect spot since my grip isn’t super secure. I either need a new shape / size or I need to retrain myself to claw grip again.

Arye RCC-1 imo. Gwolves HT-S2 or HTS Ultra perhaps.

I used to have a HT-S2, yeah. Haven't tried the HTS ultra though. I have a ASUS Harpe Ace Mini that, shape-wise, I like better than the OP1 or HT-S2. Another option is the Gwolves HTR, HTX mini/HTX ultra or maybe the Finalmouse small. I don't really enjoy the small fingertip oriented mice, but I do feel that Gwolves has the most options and best options for small mice out there.

have you tried the last two examples? I had the same qs as op but with smaller hands, i tried the ht-s2 but the hump was too obtuse so i was debating on getting the ultra cause of this

I used fingertip for a few years. The issues with tracking will get better over time as you develop better technique, but the reality is having a point of contact for extra stability so you can use your wrist more reactively is what almost every single top aimer on the planet uses for reactive tracking situations. Fingertip for smooth tracking and precision tracking is unbeatable, but in games like tac fps where stability is more important, fingertip will always be a more difficult grip style to use than claw. It's not that you can't use it, as I said I used it for years and most recently, during season 2, I had a 91 avg leetify aim rating with my HT-S2 at 26k elo and a 1.35 k/d avg. So it's not like you can't compete against public level players if you're using fingertip. But, I really feel like claw is way easier to use, this season I'm a little lower elo at 24k but I'm avging a better aim rating and much higher k/d (94/1.54) on the HTX4K using a claw grip with fingertip mainly for micro.

Pulsar latest mice with the new sensors are great latency to start motion but hit a brick wall when you stop motion. It stops too quick almost like it skipped the last inputs. Razer is quick to start, late to stop. That’s why people complain about the motion latency. Op18k with 3950 sensor is the smoothest and most responsive on both ends in my opinion. Gpx2 is right behind the op1 Pulsar 3395 sensor is late to start. Gwolves 3395 is same as pulsar 3395. Late to start. Now granted this is all for cs2 in 4:3. I can string up a bunch of mice in a dm lobby and switch between all of them and you can tell the difference. In kovaaks I can’t tell the difference. In valorant I can’t tell the difference. Look up a Rapha interview where he talks about mice. He talks about the same stuff I am above and how he had to switch between mice because he didn’t like the behavior of the sensors. And rapha is the greatest quake players if not most accomplished esports players of all time in the most aim heavy games of all time. You can tell the difference.

guilty as charged. my hands definitely have that 'too much coffee' tremor, so i need the extra weight to dampen the boomer shakes. glad the g-wolves is working for you though.

G-wolves 30-40g feels solid to me.

G wolves is honestly underrated. I understand the criticism against them, but they are undeniably the most innovative mouse company at the moment, especially in terms of weight.

Grip tape might be an option for this? You can get quite a lot for dirt cheap and replace it as often as you need. Lots of mice these days have coatings on them. Best I can think of is a gwolves mouse + using cheap grip tape like meow gaming gear which are thin, cheap and don’t last long anyway. Gwolves mice are completely uncoated plastic which may make them easier to clean (may be worse now that I think about it) They have a relatively shallow golf ball texture on them and they don’t have any lips or anything 

Me in the corner with my G-Wolves, all alone.