Keychron - M4 Wireless Mouse

What did you feel was missing from the finalmouse ultralight 2. Compared to the finalmouse, the MCHOSE L7 Ultra's sensor is a bit more forward facing (heard its better for fingertip) and 9g lighter. Probably not a bad bet if you try that one. Attack Shark R6 very similar/2g lighter than the Kysona Merc at ~52$. Keychron m4 is 50-70$ depending on the polling rate you want, but might be too small for your hands. Darmoshark M5 Air, G-Wolves HTS Ultra 8K, G-Wolves HTX Mini 8K, G-Wolves HT-S2 Pro 8K would be interesting to look at too. More than $50 though Not a fan of Incott 029,VXE R1 Pro,MambaSnake m3,MambaSnake m5 ultra based on what I can see on eloshapes.

I don't think the taller the safest is necessarily true, while height can help if you prefer the occasional hump contact with your hand, I'd consider width more important (yes that means the bump on the asym is great and just gives so much more flexibility of grip), you mention you want to go full send in which case my recommendation would be the asym for a pure ftip experience, however the Darmoshark M5 pro is amazing because it isn't as much of a compromise or in other words it doesn't ask much of you grip wise while giving you the befits of a ftip mouse also its flat sides are big help in comfort, I would NOT consider the Keychron M4 a good introduction to ftip unless you like to go hard mode right away, it was my first ftip mouse and its hourglass shape was challenging to adapt that said I mained it for about 4 months so its perfectly usable also the M4 scroll wheel is very very good but IMO the M5 and asym are better options, to address your question IMO these mice really shine with relatively high sens and and a glass mousepad this comes together to facilitate a delicate grip as opposed to the usual death grip, this means you are truly free to use your fingers wrist or arm in a given situation, hope this helps, I've included some pictures and also out of these mice the asym is by far the lowest click height compared to the OP1, then the m4 all others are very close to the OP1, just don't expect click height to be a make or break IMO its preference I feel as comfortable using the asym as I do using say a Maya x. closing thoughts if you truly want a ftip M5 or asym are great options but only do it if you are genuinely curious, if you don't really care about going pure ftip there is no way in hell you can go wrong with the beast X mini [https://imgur.com/a/3tXHn7k](https://imgur.com/a/3tXHn7k)

Keychron M4 (4k polling rate version). I fingertip grip so most small to medium size mice feel pretty nice. I've used a few mice over the years and every Steelseries or Razor mouse I've had has died in 0.5-1.5 years. Scroll wheel on Razor mice goes instantly in my experience. Mice I've used on top of my head: CM Xornet: Extremely cheap at the time but also cheap feeling, awful sensor, amazing form that is still hard to find 10 years later. CM720: Successor to the Xornet and CM Spawn. Decent mouse overall with a terrible scroll wheel. Razer Deathadder: I've had 1, my brother has bought 3. Scroll wheel always dies first and they've never lasted 2 years. I find them to be bulky and terrible mice for fingertip gripping but a lot of people love it with claw grip. Steelseries Xai: Had two and decided I'm never buying a Steelseries mouse again. Left mouse button started dying on the first mouse within 3 months. The ambidextrous brick shape felt awkward and I ended up tilting the mouse 90 degrees G203: Amazing mouse for the price. For games like PoE there's really no need to go beyond the 25-35$ price point when mice like these exist.

Take a fingertip like g-wolves HTR or HTR pro or keychron M4... Small hands need real small mice. Not mice small for big hands lol Mots comfortable is htr, mots accuracy is htr pro, and best price/quality is really keychron M4. For a +50 mice for small hands.

16x9cm is very small. Keychron M4 is best for this.

Where are all these cheap fingertip mice on the market? Keychron M4 is $40 for 1k polling, $55 for 4K and $65 for 8k. G Wolves HSK Plus Light is $60 to 70 USD, with a last gen sensor and 1K polling. (still fine IMO, but not apples to apples) That's ALL of the commercially available; wireless, ***fingertip specific***, gaming mice with decent sensors under $100 USD\* that I am aware of. Two shape options under $100, just two while being generous with the 'cheap categorization. Under $50 there is only one and it's an overspec travel mouse from a keyboard brand. Between $100 & 200 USD the market has more options; Pulsar X2F, Gwolves HSK Pro and Fenrir models, WlMouse Miao and I think the ZeroMouse Blade comes in under $200 as well. These are priced in the premium range for gaming mice overall. That said, availability is far from good even in the more populated premium tier or used on Ebay. Many of the mentioned models are often out of stock. Total, excluding OptimumTech and very small bespoke makers, that is a grand total of what, 7 or 8 total shapes? Larger than it was, but still a VERY small market unless you include mice than are friendly to fingertip, but relatively full sized. *\*Yeah, that was a mouthful, but just trying to make a distinction between all the tiny mice that are super common, but not at all intended or spec'ed for competitive gaming, like the Logitech M317/pebble/ect.*

I completely forgot about the Darmoshark M5 and M5 Air! Didn't even know the Darmoshark M3 Micro existed tbh. That is two additional extant shapes. Currently at $80 for 1K polling and $130 for 8k polling respectively on AliExpress for the M5 pro and about the same ($80/$110) for the M3 Micro. The M5 Air is around $150. (prices for US market) How are we defining cheap? I feel like sub $50 is a reasonable spot for good old 1k polling, just my opinion on the matter since that price bracket is where those without the CPU grunt to handle 8 or even 4k polling in esports titles without stuttering at high FPS would be best served. CS/Val are both CPU intensive titles. For example, VXE R1 Pro had effectively the same specs for basically half the price and a better reputation for quality than Darmoshark. Gets a bit weird since it was exactly $53.69 including shipping/taxes with the 4k receiver 18 months ago from the other side of the planet to me, but things have changed a bit since. Currently, the updated 8k VXE Mad R is offered for around $65 including an 8k receiver and the R1 pro + 4k receiver is $70. A VXE Mad R 1k polling mouse is offered for around $45. The Keychron M4 1k polling is the only fingertip specific mouse in the US market under $50 price where I am subjectively drawing the "cheap" line. Availability isn't great. Sold out on Amazon, wildly overpriced through third parties on competing US online marketplaces and AliExpress, $40 direct from Keychron shipping not included which is the obvious best option at the moment.

Recently purchased the [Keychron M4](https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-m4-wireless-mouse) to try out this size/shape of mouse, as the 150$ price for the HSK series was putting me off from getting one as a "first-try" for this shape of mouse. Not a super technical review, as I'm not a super technical person, but it works quite fine for fingertip grip at my hand size (18.5 x 10). Out the box, the clicks are snappy and the chassis doesn't seem to have any creaking or flex to it at the strength I grip. Scroll-wheel is A-ok as well. The mouse settings are customizable enough on the bottom of the mouse itself (polling rate + dpi), can't comment on the software as I don't use it. I did have a slight QC issue, wherein the RMB was squeaking on some presses -- pulling the mouse open, it seemed like the upper chassis was rubbing against the actual RMB lever at points, so sanding those back a few mm solved that issue easily enough. Doesn't seem like other buyers had this issue, but if you did, it's an easy fix. Highly recommend this mouse for people looking to try this size but aren't willing to jump straight to the HSK series. Can't compare it to the Darmoshark M5 as I don't own one, but both seem fairly comparable with minor differences in size. Alternatively, if you like modding mice, it seems like a good base to mess around with -- someone recently did some weight reduction and chassis mods and got this mouse down to \~27g. Previously used a Lamzu Thorn, Glorious Model O, and a GPX superlight. I have RSI-ish in my left index finger and hand tremors, as well as everpresent wrist strain from work, of which this mouse has seemingly helped me on all fronts. Notably, the mouse is small enough that tensing my grip felt so off that I managed to break that habit lol. Smaller hands, fingertip enjoyers unsure about getting a mini, or potentially other people with wrist problems might want to give it a try, as the price makes it relatively easier to justify a massive change in shape from more traditional mice. Likely wouldn't recommend it for a larger hand, as the concave sides of the shape could cause hand cramping if you rest ring/pinky finger on the side of the mouse. For those more interested in in-game performance, I play 22cm/360 ish and the mini shape does absolutely have merit for gaming use. Kovaak's scores have gone up \~10% in two weeks for most tasks except stability (this mouse is very light to me), and I attribute it to breaking bad tension habits and more freedom on using fingers during aim. I don't aimtrain extremely seriously though.

mouse: mchose L7 ultra / keychron m4 (my recent go-to's. don't have main, more like still trying to find) mousepad: skypad 3.0 (300x350mm) keyboard: niz plum 84 pro (from 2018) game: mostly ow2, and I have bad aim/tracking headphone: koss kph40

I dont undersrand why so many people recommend the mx master, even moreso for gaming. That mouse is HUGE and a lot of its features only apply to specific workflows. If you really want a premium logitech mouse that can also do gaming, go with the mx anywhere. It has some of the features of the mx master but at a smaller, lighter form. Personally I use the Keychron M4 as it has the best latency Ive tested via bluetooth (but still significantly noticeable), or better yet use the usb dongle for the least latency on wireless.

I have tried many different mice and shapes over the last 12 months and mostly play cs2 and overwatch. For me I can say that almost every mouse that I tried was good, it just came down to giving each mouse enough time to adjust to the shapes. Also sometimes switching my gripstyle helped and now I feel pretty comfortable playing with any mouse that offers clawgrip or fingertip grip. Also the keychron M4, which is a pure fingertip mouse, performed surprisingly good in CS2 which i was not expecting at all

G-wolves Fenrir, WLMouse Miao, Darmoshark M5 Air, Keychron M4 for pure fingertip grip. Small mice, I would look at the WLMouse Beast X Mini, Zowie FK2-DW, Vaxee XE-S, Waizowl Cloud XS, Hitscan Hyperlight/ATK F1 Extreme, or Scyrox V6.