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kpu is the best shape ever made. only option is the kysona uranus. dark perk ergo feels very different
kysona uranus pro is the only thing we have. but its pretty good and my main for a long time now
Good to know, thanks! I've barely dipped my toes in the Chinese mouse market. I bought the Kysona Uranus and thought it was just meh but that's not gonna stop me from trying others. What annoyed me most regarding the Uranus is the China smell when you opened the box. It's like you get a fresh whiff of COVID. I can't explain it well but it's a very distinct smell on certain inexpensive Chinese products. The coating on the Uranus isn't great and the sensor just feels floaty. However, it was ridiculously inexpensive so my comments should definitely be taken on a curve. It would be a perfectly fine mouse if that is what I had the budget for. I will occasionally grab it for some D4/ LE / POE 2 as the shape is pretty comfy.
Kysona Uranus if you want something comfortable
Attack Shark mice are made by Kysona, and they have surprisingly good quality for budget mice. I have their Uranus Pro ergo, and it's a solid product and performer for $40. So you should have no issues with the Attack Shark offerings. Kysona's M617 is a Maya X clone, and the M600 is a medium sized GPX.
Kysona Uranus Pro - stupidly comfy ergo based on Kone Pure Ultra shape, in medium size. Switches are on the quieter side, and not heavy at all.
The UP is a stupidly comfortable medium sized ergo with Huano 100M mech switches and 8K wireless. (1K wired) Switches are on the quieter side, as is the wheel. Middle click is a bit firm, but keeps it from being sloppy. The side curves allows the fingers to have something to push off of, making adjustments solid. And did I mention 55g? Not overly crazy about the included cable, as it's thick and kind of stiff. I bought an PWNAGE paracord one in Orange to match my colorway.
The two Chinesium mice I have are the Kysona Jupiter Ultra (Viper v3 Pro clone) and Uranus Pro (Kone Pure ultra in a medium size). The Ultra sports Omron opticals, and 3950 sensor, 51.5g at $60 USD. The Uranus Pro is a 3395, Huano 100m mech switches, 56.5 g $40-45 depending on colorway. Both have 8k wireless, the Jupiter having 8k wired as well. Both available on Amazon via Kysona Store Front, or their online store, which is usually more expensive.
Kysona Uranus Pro [Amazon.com: KYSONA Wireless Gaming Mouse, 26000 DPI, 8K Polling Rate, Tri-Mode 2.4GHz/USB-C/Bluetooth Ergonomic Mouse with Web-Driven, Ice-Cooling Coating, Rechargeable Gaming Mice for Laptop/PC/Mac/Xbox, Black : Video Games](https://www.amazon.com/KYSONA-Bluetooth-Web-Driven-Ice-Cooling-Rechargeable/dp/B0DTHRV39Q?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1) It's a Medium sized ergo clone of the Kone Pure Ultra. $40 I have a DAv2 Pro as well, and prefer the UP shape.
1. Grips of the DAv3 Pro - Have you tried a wet microfiber cloth with some dish soap to clean the grips? If you have, the grips can be removed with heat (hair dryer) + spudger tool. There are 3rd party precut replacements that may do you better, like say Supergrips. 2. Battery Life - Logitech mice have long battery life. The new DAv4 Pro has some nice battery life too. The Uranus Pro I get about 5 days. I also have a G309 which gets long life. I get about 2-3 weeks on a single lithium AAA. 3. Wireless charge pads - Razer has pucks that work with the Mouse Dock Pro that use Qi charging. You could use a Qi charger of your own, and just get the DAv3 Pro you have a puck. This way, just dock it at the end of the day. The pricy Mouse Dock Pro comes with 1 puck, and acts as a Hyperpolling Dongle for 8K support. Razer also has a Hyperflux v2 pad, either in hard or soft (I recommend hard, you can put a cloth pad on top if desired) which uses a puck (not Qi compatible) with the mouse to constantly recharge while in use. Logitech has a similar setup with their Powerplay 2. (I use my PP1 + G309 for batteryless operation and 68g weight, 62g with rear cover removed. The G309 has a supercapacitor that holds a few minutes of charge.) Many of Logi's gaming mice have the Powerplay puck bay. Either of these pads are Medium sized, so if you are an arm sweeper, it may not work for you, though you can put the pad under another pad, and then that area will charge. I wrist aim so the size is fine.
Kysona Uranus Pro (Kone Pure Ultra clone in medium size, super comfy) Logitech G309 (using lithium AAA, 71g)
Deathadder v3 hyperspeed is narrower Kysona Uranus Pro is a Medium sized ergo Kone Pure Ultra clone. I do love the finger grooves for locking into it. (58g) Aerox 5 Wireless is similar to Deathadder in hand, but with less left hump, which I find comfortable.
I was concerned about the quality too, until I learned that Kysona makes mice for other companies, like Attack Shark, Dareu, Darmoshark, and a few others, and for $45, why not try it? So I got it, and been very happy with it. Coating is good with my grip, they don't creak, sensor is a 3395, comes with 8K wireless, and use Huano mechanical switches. So I decided to try an upgraded model, the Jupiter Ultra, with 3950 sensor (same as the Razer 30K mice), uses Omron Opticals, has the Viper v3 Pro body, 8K wired and wireless, and the Nordic controller for improved power usage. Same coating, and comes in at 51.5g Available on Amazon US via Kysona Store for $59.99 and comes in Metalllic Red. (The matching Razer model is $179.99 for the Sentinel) The rear flares out a tad more, but this is by design, as it allows the pinky finger to lock in on some support, which I really like. The control app for either one is light, and has all the features you want. No RGB on either model, other than a single light to show profile and battery status. My friend has the ATK X1 Ultimate, another Viper v3 Pro clone, and is very happy with it. Mchose makes one too, at a $20 more premium. The thing with these ultralights is that you will think they feel cheap at first, but as long as they don't creak, they're fine.
Kysona makes a bunch of affordable wireless. I have the Uranus Pro (Kone Pure Ultra clone in medium size) and the Jupiter Ultra is coming. (Viper v3 Pro clone) M617 is a Maya X clone. M600 series is GPX clones, but a tad smaller.
DA v3 Pro are $81 on Amazon US for open box "Used - Like New" from Amazon Resale, $72 for Refurbished Kysona Uranus Pro is a medium sized ergo, 3395 sensor, 8K wireless, Huano 100m mechanical switches, and lower mid hump compared to DAv3 Pro, making it very comfortable with the side finger grooves. (A Kone Pure Ultra clone) $40-45 depending on colorway (Orange being premium) [Razer DeathAdder V3 Pro alternatives - EloShapes](https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/find-similar?p=razer-deathadder-v3-pro) You can use this link to find similar shaped mice if you want a clone. Incott G24 series seems to be a DAv3 clone but a tad smaller in length. [https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=razer-deathadder-v3-pro-vs.-incott-g24-pro](https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=razer-deathadder-v3-pro-vs.-incott-g24-pro)
[https://www.amazon.com/KYSONA-Bluetooth-Web-Driven-Ice-Cooling-Rechargeable/dp/B0DTHRV39Q?crid=CQQ2ESGE82P5](https://www.amazon.com/KYSONA-Bluetooth-Web-Driven-Ice-Cooling-Rechargeable/dp/B0DTHRV39Q?crid=CQQ2ESGE82P5) This mouse is based on the Kone Pure Ultra body, in a Medium size. Super comfortable to use all day. Uses Huano 100M switches, 3395 Sensor, 55g, and a smooth rubberized coating that feels premium. I normally ftip my mice, but I gravitate to palm on this easily. Wheel and switches are on the quieter side of the spectrum.
Well, if you are looking for wheel and button reliability, the newer mice use optical switches for the mains, and the latest ones use an optical encoder for the wheel. examples: Razer Cobra Hyperspeed and Deathadder v4 Pro. Many of the modern mice use dust-free wheel encoders if they are not using optical. An example of this is my Kysona Jupiter Ultra, which has a TCC Gold encoder, and Omron optical mains. I have the Aerox 5 Wireless Diablo IV Edition, and it's a comfortable ergo, with a lower left side hump than the Deathadders. The five thumb buttons are nice for some games. Note all switches are mechanicals, so it will inevitably doubleclick, but this hasn't happened yet. (1 yr 3 mo) RGB does kill the battery quickly. Another way of looking at it is to buy mice that are on the cheaper side, and just get a new one when it goes bad. Example: Kysona Uranus Pro. Uses Huano 100m mechanicals, a TCC encoder (forget which) and 3395 sensor, and the shell is a copy of the Kone Pure Ultra in a medium size. It cost me $42 on Amazon, in Orange. Comes with 8K dongle, and when it develops an issue, I won't feel bad.
Kysona Uranus Pro, can't go wrong with it
Downsides are: The buttons are all a little bit wobbly, not the worst wobble I've ever touched, and for the price they're amazing, but if you compare it to mice that have the same performance as the Uranus Pro, it definitely doesn't have the same level of premium feel that a Lamzu, Pulsar, or Scyrox mouse has in their buttons. The scroll wheel notches are very soft, personally I still scroll just fine without clicking the wheel, and I can click the wheel just fine without scrolling, but some people really don't like the scroll wheel and have trouble with it. My own personal issue: The dongle has a green light on it that you can't turn off, and when I turn off the mouse the green light will keep flashing until I turn the mouse back on again, this means if you have multiple mice and swap between mice, you'll have to find a way to block out the annoying dongle light. In a single mouse setup this is a non-issue however, I just find it annoying.
It's got amazing build quality, nice and thick shell, absolutely never going to get stress fractures. The sensor performance is the same as my Maya X 8k (when both mice are at 8k) despite having the longest battery life of all the mice I've ever owned (*ON* 8k polling, if you want to save battery even more I'd recommend 2k polling since there's no difference between 2k and 4k but it gets glitchy at 1k, so 2k and 8k are my two recommended polling rates, at 2k it's still better than all of my Steelseries mice and most mice of the same calibre). The click latency is also amazing, it uses mechanical switches so it's not the fastest clicks, but still head and shoulders above the vast majority of mice, and even comparing it to the Maya X 8k it's basically the same (I mean I can tell it's slower by a very thin margin, but it's insignificant, like I can't tell the difference unless I'm A/B testing which really says something about just how insanely fast the Uranus pro is, defo sub 2ms click latency). It has a web-based software, meaning it's compatible with any operating system and you don't need to download the software to use the mouse's features let alone have the software running in the background. This basically means the software is future-proof and you won't have to worry about Kysona dropping software support for your mouse. This is a massive plus. It's also easy to take apart, so if you need to replace a faulty component (or want to swap out the switches) it's super easy (there are 5 screws, and 2 clips, one clip on each side of the mouse, very easy to take apart). The coating is really nice. The shape is a copy of the pinnacle of the Roccat Kone shape, meaning it's a truly universal mouse for all grip types (the only truly universal shape I've come across), there are two positions for you thumb and two positions for your fingers: Both in the forward position rotates the mouse like a cam, making it shorter and allowing you to claw-grip it. Slide your thumb back (fingers still forward) and the mouse rotates to become longer, giving you a palm grip. Slide both fingers and thumb back for a fingertip grip. If you're a mutant you can also slide your fingers back and your thumb forward, I actually do see some people grip mice like this, and of all the shapes this is actually their endgame shape, but the mutant grip is definitely not my cup of tea so this is purely based off of what I've read online. Although it's not the pinnacle of all grip types, the fact it can do any grip type makes it the ultimate beginner/budget mouse, since it allows you to explore all the different grip types, find your favourite, it'll still be absolutely amazing for your preferred grip type. If you want to get a more specialised mouse down the road that is made for one grip type specifically, you won't know what grip type you want to pursue until after you've tried out each one, so one mouse to try all grip types is definitely an amazing find. The Kysona Uranus Pro is honestly one of my favourite mice I've ever used, like I still use my Maya X for intense shooters since I love the claw grip, but I can also use the Uranus Pro for the same games whenever I'm charging up my Maya X and I'll still hit all my shots on the Uranus Pro all the same. It's basically *THE* mouse to buy when you're not sure about your preferred grip type, or you're on a budget and just need a mouse that works and performs amazingly.
Then again you have people like me who had 7 Razer products break before the warranty in a row. It is quite shocking just how solid some of the ultra cheap mice are though, like for $80 aud the Kysona Uranus Pro is the most solid mouse I've ever owned, if it weren't so light I'd swear it were completely solid. Like it makes sense as a lot of these mice are made in the same few factories, but it's still shocking to see the disparity between a $280 aud Razer mouse and an $80 aud Kysona. How does the build quality of scyrox and G-wolves compare to Pulsar btw? I also have the X2V2 mini and am curious about eventually trying out Scyrox and G-wolves.
Unfortunately, brands only make good shit when they're new/growing. So for a new G402, look for a brand that is still trying to build brand-loyalty and grow a wide gamer-stan audience. Dareu will do you right. The web-software compatible ASUS mice are actually goated and exactly what you're looking for (though they've yet to release a new browser-software Chakram, only 2 button mice). Glorious is perpetually stuck in decent-quality limbo due to their extremely flaky fanbase (which is a score cause it keeps Glorious mostly on the straight and narrow). Keychron is experiencing growing pains, the M6 is trash due to a hardware glitch in the sensor, but the M7 and M5 are actually great. And of course, Mad Catz will always make the single-most over-built indestructible mice on the planet (and then go bankrupt for the 7 billionth time, have another worker union go on strike and overthrow the CEO during a revolution, go bankrupt again, then come back from the dead right when you least expect it). My original R.A.T. 3 is still my travel mouse, it's been with me for over half my life (and is older than the G402) and still works as it did brand-new (earlier this year the rubberized coating did finally goober, but after going at it with the 50 grit it's good as new again). That thing survived getting thrown full force against a brick wall and a concrete floor during my 12yo gamer-rage era, has moved 16 times, survived 8 years of getting crammed into a backpack that was yeeted around during commutes (was usually in the bottom of the backpack getting crushed by textbooks) and never used on a mouse-pad (only wood tables, glass tables, really worn cutting-mats, marble and masonry counters too). That shit don't break like genuinely I thought people were joking about bad switches, glitchy sensors, and back-scrolling scroll-wheels until I got a Razer mouse and it broke in 4 months (with very delicate use cause I actually really cared about the Razer mouse cause it was expensive). The only other brand that rivals the absolute-unit built quality of my first ever gaming mouse, is Pulsar. Unfortunately Pulsar only makes 2 button mice, but their software and build quality are absolutely top-dollar. Just wish they made an MMO mouse, fortunately Mad Catz has released a revised MMO7+ so when I have the cash that's my new MMO mouse that'll last me the rest of my life probably. I mean the Rat 3 is still going strong and the MMO7+ has metal-reinforcements throughout it's shell for enhanced durability so I seriously doubt that mouse will break anytime soon as I no longer yeet mice into brick walls full-force (though somehow the MMO7+ is the second lightest wireless MMO mouse out there, second to the Aerox 9 which has such a terrible shape it genuinely feels twice as heavy than it actually is, plus I accidentally dipped my Aerox 9 in acid and it's slowly turning into a sponge. Of course if you're happy with a 2 button mouse, the Kysona Uranus Pro is absolutely GOATED that thing is built like a tank, I haven't yeeted it but I'd have 100% confidence the Uranus Pro would survive a year of the brick wall treatment no questions.
Same hand size but slightly different grip: I like a more open grip, so my pinky is where your ring finger is and rung finger is farther forward on the mouse almost touching pinky finger. For my grip style the Kysona Uranus Pro is absolutely locked-in. It has a little nubbin on the front right side that I hook and pull back on with my ring finger, and push forward on with my pinky finger. However that won't work with how aggressively you like to curl your ring and pinky fingers (I've been training through years of Cello practice to always keep my fingers relaxed and slightly curled, so I find it incredibly uncomfortable to grip mice the way you do since I've developed different muscles in my hand). If you're happy with a more open and relaxed grip however (hurts if you have a tendency to over-grip your mouse, though the pain will teach you to break that bad habit). Defo give that mouse a shot (or the Pulsar X2 mini, I do the same thing with hooking my ring finger around the front of the mouse). The Maya X is either a carpal-tunnel claw mouse (not pincer claw) or a 1-3-1 pincer claw mouse (I rest my ring finger on the top of the lip next to the rmb, and push down with my ring finger since it's not actually pressing the rmb, actually extremely comfortable and absolutely locked in). However when I try to grip the Maya X with curved fingers like you do, it actually feels extremely locked-in with perfect sensor angle alignment and it doesn't torque to the side if you over-grip the mouse. Though I do find that uncomfortable of course, not sure if it's because I find curling my fingers like that uncomfortable, or if it's because the Maya X is uncomfortable to grip like that. I do grip the ASUS Harpe 2 Ace in an almost identical fashion though. Still my fingers are a little more open and relaxed, however they're almost as curled in as yours are and I do actually find that incredibly comfortable on the Harpe 2 Ace. It has a deceptively long butt that means you grip it far enough back where the middle of the hourglass shape is far enough forwards to reach it without too aggressive of a finger curl. So the Harpe 2 Ace might actually be right up your alley. However, from all reviews online, and trying out 3D printed shape-testers: The Mchose G3 series of mice might actually be perfect for you. Egg shapes (and the elusive diamond and cheese wedge shapes) accommodate claw-grip perfectly as they kick your pinky out farther than your ring finger, and also "snuggle" into the palm of your hand as you grip them. Unlike hour-glass shapes which scoot away from the palm of your hand, and also kick the ring finger out wider than the pinky. Although I do like hourglass mice for fingertip grip, I don't like them for claw grip unless they have a feature I can use to counteract their anti-claw tendencies (like the Uranus Pro nubbin, X2 mini front corner, Maya X rmb ledge, or Hape 2 Ace's long butt). So I would definitely recommend looking into non-hourglass shapes for claw grip (especially pincer claw, carpal tunnel claw is less sensitive to hourglass shapes but pincer claw is very sensitive to hourglass shapes).
I'm diagnosed with essential tremors but for some reason my hands are calm no sweaty moms spaghetti even when I'm holding a 35g mouse With that said I feel like thumb grooves of some sort are always a huge plus for me so a perfect shape for me is something like the Kysona Uranus. G502 LS maybe?
Kysona Uranus Pro and Wooting 60HE. I've been rocking Artisan dots and a Key83 mid for awhile now and have no reason to switch, but I think I'd like to try a Zero just to see if the extra control is helpful. Otherwise I'm set. The KPU shape is 95% perfect.
Pick up a Kysona Uranus (yeah name sucks) for less than $12 right now on Amazon. Uses PAW3311 and is a clone of the Roccat Cone I think. Programmable via web and really light. tri mode wireless. Ended up picking up a few more after trying it out.
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