R.A.T. 8+ ADV

hey you can check for R.A.T Series of Mad Catz. R.A.T 6+, R.A.T. DWS and R.A.T. 8+ adv. if you cna go little up in your budget then the latest M.M.O. 7 also is great choice. These mouse are feature loaded, for long term daily use and good in both gaming and normal PC use. I have used R.A.T DWS before, so i can tell that it worth a try. you can DM me is you need more help.

Hey, AliExpress mice (Skyrox, ATK, mchose…) can look great on paper, but reliability can be hit or miss. If you want something safer with a similar lightweight wireless feel, you could check out Mad Catz for example the R.A.T. DWS (wireless + versatile) or the R.A.T. 8+ ADV, which is very lightweight and adjustable. For the mousepad, instead of going for a cheap glass one (often disappointing), I’d really recommend the GLIDE series from Mad Catz (GLIDE 19 or 38). You get a fast glide close to glass, but with way more control, less noise, and better durability. Honestly a much better value

Honestly from what you described (20x10.5cm hands, relaxed claw, liking the EC1 / DAV2 shape), I think you're still on the right track looking for larger ergo micebut I’d also throw in a bit of a wildcard: Mad Catz mice, especially their newer RAT lineup. Something like the RAT 8+ or RAT DWS can actually work surprisingly well for bigger hands because they’re highly adjustable (palm rest length, thumb support, even width to some extent). That means you can dial it closer to that “fills your hand” feeling you got from the DeathAdder V2 or EC1, instead of being stuck adapting to a fixed shell. A few reasons it might fit your situation: You’re getting cramps on smaller / ambi shapes → RAT mice let you extend the body, which helps reduce finger curl strain in claw You liked ergo but had durability issues (rubber coating) → Mad Catz uses more hard shell / modular parts, so less of that indent problem Relaxed claw → the adjustable palm support actually works well for hybrid grips That said, it’s definitely a love-it-or-hate-it shape, so not as “safe” as EC-style mice.

If you’re mainly playing CS and want something with strong performance rather than just following the latest hype, I’d recommend taking a look at the MAD CATZ R.A.T. 8+. A lot of people focus only on weight and polling rate, but shape and comfort matter just as much for consistency in CS. The R.A.T. 8+ has a high-end sensor, adjustable ergonomics, and lets you fine-tune the fit to your hand, which can be a bigger advantage than chasing a few grams of weight reduction. It’s definitely not the typical recommendation you’ll see next to all the Superlights and Vipers, but if you’re open to something different and want a mouse built around performance and customization, it’s worth checking out. Especially if you spend long hours playing and want a shape you can really dial in to your preferences.

I had a G502 at one point, but I found it a little small for my hands and a little less weight than I prefer. After that I tried a cheapo Gamdias Zeus from Staples because I generally liked the configurability options of the G502. Being cheap, it didn't last long. That led me to a Mad Catz R.A.T. 5. That one really hit the sweet spot for configurability and size and weight and button programming and location Etc. I still have that one and it still works , but it does seem to have some intermittent tracking issues. I believe the company went bankrupt for a while, got resurrected but was producing cheap crap for a time, and then eventually improved again. On hearing that they had improved their product quality, I bought a R.A.T. 8+ Advanced a couple years ago and I love it. If you generally like the G502 but it falls a little short, you might want to consider one of those. https://www.amazon.ca/CATZ-Gaming-Mouse-20000dpi-Buttons/dp/B08FGWWTK7

I LOVE my RAT-8, its heavy as fuck, and very customizable

MAD CATZ has [many cool mice](https://madcatz.store/collections/mouse), not just R.A.T. I tried R.A.T. 8+ and M.M.O. 7+ both are great, but there's more options in their store.

you could look at the Mad Catz R.A.T. 8+. The nice thing about it is that you can adjust parts of the mouse, so you can make it fit your hand and grip style better instead of worrying about the shape. The palm rest is adjustable so you can move it back and keep your palm off the mouse, which works well for fingertip grip. Another option is the Mad Catz M.M.O. 7+ since it also has adjustable parts and can be comfortable for longer sessions, but the R.A.T. shape might be closer to what you're describing.

Check out the MAD CATZ R.A.T. 8+ -- I tried it, good accessories made it, and I was able to get it to fit my hand perfectly

I have the M.M.O. 7+ and the R.A.T. 8+. My hand size is about 19.5 cm. Both are great, and I enjoyed playing CS2 with the M.M.O. 7+.

I have about 20 CM hands, using MAD CATZ M.M.O. 7+ and previously using R.A.T. 8+ both are great