A7 Pro

Went from a launch day super light to mchose a7 pro and I’ve been loving it so far. Costing maybe feels a little less durable or premium but it was like $36 from their AliExpress store on sale and so far has been great.

Only the V2 Pro+ and Ultra+ models have magnetic chargers, the non+ versions don't. It shouldn't be a factor really, you can keep using it with the wire while charging then just reconnect the dongle to the same cable with the adapter they include.

Practice and shape are most important. GPX clones are a safe place to start, Mchose A7 V2, ATK A9, Incott G23 V2. If you prefer a bit larger but still symmetrical, there are Viper clones, but I've only used one so far, namely the Eweadn S9. If you want larger ergo mice, my current main and favourite is the DeathAdder V3 Pro if you can find it for that much, otherwise if the wire doesn't bother you the regular V3 is the same but cheaper. If you need more buttons and don't mind the weight, Basilisk V3, I tried the G502X but the Basilisk felt better for me.

Only the V2 Pro+ and Ultra+ models have magnetic chargers, the non+ versions don't. It shouldn't be a factor really, you can keep using it with the wire while charging then just reconnect the dongle to the same cable with the adapter they include.

I’ll always recommend anything from MCHOSE and ATK. RAWM also has some good shapes but their prices jump dramatically depending on the product. I’ve used MCHOSE’s L7+ Ultra (Sora V2) , M7 Ultra (Zowie U2), A7 Pro (GPX Superlight), K7 Ultra (Razer Viper V3), and the Ace 60 Pro keyboard (Wooting 60HE). I generally liked all of the products but many simply weren’t for me because of various issues I had with specific shapes. The actual mouse quality was great and they were reasonably priced. Skates were hit or miss with some mice having great skates and others not. I still have the A7 Pro and the Ace 60 Pro to this day. ATK has changed quite a bit since I last used their products. The quality has improved significantly. Unfortunately I can’t say much more than that about them as I haven’t used their newer models but I keep up with their releases and I would recommend them as a good starting point for affordable mice. RAWM is a bit newer and they offer some new and unique shapes that I’d not seen before. I’ve been able to use the MH01 which is this interesting hybrid of the Razer Viper V2 and Razer Viper V3. What does that look like? It’s got the body of the V3 with the grip area of a V2, so like really aggressive curves that tell you where to grip from. I thought was cool but I found it caused finger pain after an hour or two. I kept trying to make it work and would even swap mice to see if it was just me but unfortunately I couldn’t bear using it for long enough. Lastly I’d like to recommend some “premium” brands that are still cheaper compared to Razer or Logitech. Lamzu and Pulsar are both brands that have a good variety of shapes at varying prices *depending on where you buy them*. You can find both within range of $90-$130 or less if you buy used. Of Lamzu’s product line I’ve used the Maya X, the Atlantis OG V2, the Inca ( Zowie Za13), and the Thorn. I found the Atlantis to be a bit too aggressive for me as it really locks in your grip so I gave it to a friend. The Thorn is a good shape for relaxed claw but you can claw it normally if you’ve got a tilted grip. I loved the Inca initially because it almost feels like a pen in your hand, it’s surprisingly narrow and really fills out the palm in a way I’ve not experienced with anything else. Unfortunately I’ve not used it much since I got it, after about a week of consistent use I was experiencing hand cramping. Turns out it was too small for me and I was basically pinching the sides with the force of a thousand suns just to stay stable. Lastly the Maya X, the bigger brother to the original Maya. I still use this one today as it’s my main mouse. It’s like if the GPX actually leaned into claw grip rather than trying to work for every grip. I don’t really know how else to describe it but I like it. Pulsar is probably the one I’ve got the least amount of time with compared to other brands. I found that many of their shapes just didn’t work for me for some reason or another. Of their products I’ve used the X2V2, X3, X2H, Xlite V3 and the TenZ Signature Edition. The X2 version 2 was my least favorite, hump support was pushed too far to the rear in my opinion and the actual grip area was like a brick. Its sides while slightly angled are very flat so it does allow for some variation in finger placement but you’re not doing much else but clawing. This actually fine as that’s what the mouse is designed for but I personally found it an uncomfortable shape to claw. I used to call it the poor man’s XM2 but both are pretty cheap nowadays so it’s just preference. The X3 I was initially excited for as I was looking for a lightweight clone of my G703. I would be disappointed to find that it was wider and stubbier by comparison. It’s just not the same and I wouldn’t find the clone I was looking for until just last year with the Teevolution Terra Pro which is a ~40g 1:1 clone with better skates and a better coating. The X2H was everything I already didn’t like about the X2 but with a higher hump and a steeper click. You might wondering why I bothered purchasing it at all if I didn’t like the X2. It was mostly because I figured the issue was I wasn’t getting enough palm contact. Turns out I just find it uncomfortable and the additional height didn’t help. I was then that realized I should be looking for mid to center rear humps with a more narrow grip area. The Xlite V3 was really just a purchase made because I was curious. The only ergo mice I’d used at that point were the Lamzu Thorn, Logitech G703, Vaxee E1, and Vaxee Outset AX. I would later learn that the Xlite was meant to be a clone of the Zowie EC series. It was an odd ergo to get used to and I never really stuck with it because I couldn’t get as good a grip as I could on my G703 or my Outset AX. The only other ergo I’ve used since was the Razer Deathadder V3 Pro which I got on sale for much cheaper than what it was sold it for at the time. The TenZ Signature Edition was my most recent purchase from Pulsar though I’ve not bought much of anything from them for quite a while. This was more of what I wanted out of the X2H. Hump has been pushed forward a little and lowered. The front has been brought up a bit so it’s not nearly as steep. And it’s got a more narrow grip area. While I did like it more than anything else I’ve used from Pulsar it still wasn’t what I was looking for. I am curious to try their most recent release of the X2N which seems like it’s exactly what I’ve been looking for from them for the last several years but I don’t have the money for it at the moment so it’ll just have to wait. I hope my long winded reply helps you find what you’re looking for.

Viper V3 Pro is cheaper than the V4 if you really wanted to buy a good flagship. V4 is kinda overkill for most people. As for the Superstrike, you’re better off buying one of the Superlights in most cases. HITS only noticeably benefits certain titles and the current settings used by most pros mimic those of the Superlight 2. And yes, I do use Chinese mice, they’re good products. That’s like criticizing someone for using store brand toilet paper. It’s the same thing but cheaper.

WLMOUSE is known for having a bunch of qc issues, that’s the primary reason I’ve never bought anything from them. Compared to other brands they consider themselves premium or higher quality so their prices reflect that being $130 to $150 which is not standard pricing. There are many other brands that have consistently good quality at a lower price. MCHOSE for example, most of the peripherals I own are MCHOSE. I spent $40-$60 at most per mouse. My Ace60 Pro keyboard still works great to this day and I bought it for $50 flat like 2 years ago.

The top gaming keyboards right now for competitive shooters are the HE switch keyboards like the Wooting 80HE, NuPhy Field75 HE, Lemokey P1 HE, or similar. These keyboards have features that if enabled can actually get you banned from some games! But the most impactful (non-banned) feature that these share is the adjustable trigger point and rapid trigger. The short explanation is these keyboards can be adjusted so that try trigger with as little as 0.05mm of depression rather than the usual 1\~3mm the average keyboard has. Additionally, to release or retrigger the key you don't have to release it entirely and press again. Instead any upward movement over some user adjusted distance on the key is considered as release, and any downward movement of that also user adjusted distance will activate it. This means if you want to press a single button really fast, you can just kind of wiggle it in a half-depressed position and that'll work just as well as lifting your finger off entirely. The banned feature is what Wooting calls Rappy Snappy. Which lets you configure pairs of keys such that if one is press, the other is automatically released, even if you're still actually holding it down. The main use case for this is strafe keys, as in many games if you're holding both left and right strafe you'll actually stand entirely still, this ensures you're always moving. I believe that feature will get you banned in CS2 (and Valorant?) specifically. That said, some people don't like HE keyboards, and keyboards in general are very subjective for what people like. And while something like the features the HE keyboards have can give legitimate advantages between the very high end players, plenty of professional players still don't use it. ... For mice... the only real consistent feature that's valuable is low weight. Razer and Logitech have consistently been the two big names here for a long time, and then Glorious and Final Mouse started pushing the ultra light mice and kind of shook up the market. These days Glorious are kind of just okay, and Final Mouse have serious quality control issues even if you can get ahold of one. And there's been a massive influx of new players in the gaming mouse scene that have been putting out amazing mice for amazing prices. Something like an MCHOSE A7 Pro for $50, ATK Dragonfly A9 for $25, or Attack Shark X11 for <$20, matches a $150 Logitech G Pro X Ultralight 2 in terms of performance and often quality (for all but the AttackShark... but it's <$20). There's also mice from Pulsar and Lamzu which really are better than anything made by Logitech. Razer on the other hand does seem to be keeping up with the rest of the mouse market, but they're still priced like high end Razer products always have been... which is expensive. I will note that a lot of these mice, and the more expensive well known brands, will advertise 8k polling rates. It should be noted that the top players do not use 8k polling because while on paper it sounds like it should make things better, 1k\~2k polling rates are really the max that actually give any benefit. There's a CPU hit when using 4k or 8k that negate any of the on paper benefits it should give.

Thanks for the great answer! I have chosen the MCHOSE A7 pro due to previous recommendations. At first I was really happy about it and it seemed very comfortable. But after a couple days/weeks of actively using it I feel like it's not supporting my hand enough. I think my Grip is Pincer Grip rather than Claw grip (?). Not too sure about the different grip names. The vaxee NP2 ergo might be exactly what I need. I think I really do need an ergo mouse

i personally dont like the xm2we(which has the same shape as xm1r) but solely due to the shape, other than that it is a good mouse. depends on what kind of shape you want for your mouse. if you want a safe option, or a mouse with a shape that can accomodate for multiple gripstyles and handsizes, there are many g pro superlight clones that are bascially just as good, such as mchose a7 pro or incott g23 (there are many others). zowie also still sells their wired c-series mice too which are also great options. you could also find some good deals for used options. I personally use the deathadder v3 wired.

Mad R is similar to the A9 pro except smaller then. Mchose A7 pro is great, but if it's the Mchose A7 pro v2 would probably stick with the Mad R. You can also look at other Mchose mice like the L7 ultra+ which is similar to the VXE MAD R in size. It's currently $52.70 on Amazon.

Mad R is similar to the A9 pro except smaller then. Mchose A7 pro is great, but if it's the Mchose A7 pro v2 would probably stick with the Mad R. You can also look at other Mchose mice like the L7 ultra+ which is similar to the VXE MAD R in size. It's currently $52.70 on Amazon.

yes, Mchose is great. As a company probably the one I most recommend, though I do think that due to not having omron opticals, the A7 v2 is maybe possibly not the best option for a large mouse.

Mchose A7 is a great choice. Maybe an L7+ depending on exactly how large your hands are. (I would consider the A7 more for definitely large hands rather than medium to large) You can also look at ATK offerings like the X1 or A9

Mchose A7/Aula V9/ATK A9/ATK X1 are good for large hands. Also LGG La-1 sells batches with a small flex issue for really cheap if you can get that. the Rapoo is also a good shout. and if you don't mind wired, the Deathadder v3 is good too.

Honestly. I would get the Mchose L7 ultra or Ultra+. (Same specs just different sizes) and save the $150. You aren't going to find better by throwing money at it. (If you have big hands Mchose A7, K7, ATK X1, Rapoo VT3 Max, Superlight 2c, are all good mice)

Mchose L7 ultra for small to medium hands. Mchose A7/K7, ATK X1/F1, Aula V9, Rapoo VT3 Max, and maybe the Viper v2 pro for larger hands.

if you can get one with the optical switches definitely the Mchose A7 of those options. I think Mchose makes great products. And with their current sale it's the cheapest option too. Otherwise probably the Viper v2 pro 

>both in terms of actual performance and what’s just marketing hype (is 8K polling even worth it?). >I’m **not too worried about weight** — Funny you should say that, because the thing that affect performance the most is weight. (well the most of anything objective, fitting your hand matters the most) I would say 8k polling is "worth it" only in that most of the good mice have it. It's not a thing to go for, and you will never use it, instead leave it at 1k-2k polling. But also, the best deals often have it by default. Mchose A7/Aula V9/ATK A9/ATK X1 are good for large hands. Also LGG La-1 sells batches with a small flex issue for really cheap if you can get that.

Mchose L7 ultra is my general advice, and it has two different sizes so it has a better chance of fitting. If you have larger hands the Mchose A7 (make sure you get one with optical switches not mechanical switches) works great too.

All of those are not great choices. G309 and Orochi are old and heavy. Attack Shark X3 has fine specs but is made by Attack Shark which I would avoid. Mchose or ATK are generally the best options for good price while still being quality. Mchose A5 or A7 is probably a good option (A5 being slightly smaller) ATK A9 is also good. You can also look at more a Viper clone with the Mchose K7 or ATK X1. Or an Ergo with the Mchose A7 (RE) or ATK Z1.

Don't get the Glorious. Then Mchose L7 vs A7 is a hand size thing. A7 is quite large, the L7 pro+ is a more medium size, and the base L7 pro is small.

Mchose L7 is great for small and medium hands. VXE R1 is a slightly more budget option for medium hands  Mchose A7 or ATK A9 are good for larger hands  Mchose A7 RE or Rapoo VT3 Max for a more ergo shape.

Attack sharks are terrible quality. We easily get 3-4 times as many posts about attack sharks breaking as any other brand. I recommend Mchose A7/K7 or ATK A9/X1 for a large hand mouse. You can also go more ergo shape with the Mchose A7 (RE) or ATK Z1.

Mchose A7 series. Probably the only option for large hands at that price range. Maybe the M7 series if you like the shape and your hands aren't too large.