MCHOSE - L7

Nice collection, in your opinion when it comes to Viper Mini shape, out of ATK F1, Hitscan Hyperlight and VXE Mad R which one is the closest? I ordered ATK F1 V2 Extreme yesterday out nowhere, because I just felt like trying something closer to VM after maining Mchose L7 Pro (great mouse btw IMHO), did I choose the right mouse with F1 V2 assuming it's the same shape as V1? Unrelated, but I read you also collect IEMs, which one do you like the most when it comes to gaming? Just out of curiosity. Thanks!

tbh I am considering a zaopin z1 pro due to the fact I've never tried an egg shape before and its shorter, still looking around though, did see the x2h mini and i feel it is similar to what I want

after some searching considering a Mchose L7 Pro due to the shape being like an op1 it seems but smaller, and a bit wider which is something I think I might actually want since imo the op1we is a tad too narrow

I've been enjoying the MCHOSE L7 Pro

I am able to have my L7 hit the back of my palm and still be comfortable 

I am using the L7 pro right now since February with no issue for my giant hands but I have and L7 Ultra Plus size coming for AliExpress this week. 

This is my video review of the MCHOSE L7 Pro and Ultra. For those not interested in watching the video form, here is a text form of my review: **Intro**: The MCHOSE L7 Pro and Ultra are shapes similar to (but slightly smaller than) the Pulsar X2 Mini or X2 Crazylight. They feature Omron Optical switches, 3395 and 3950 sensors, and a 5g weight discrepancy (40g and 45g total, respectively) that I'll get into later. For just $55 and $65 respectively, I decided to give them a shot after being impressed with the quality on the A7 Ultra. **Build**: Full plastic build with no holes, no creaks, and no button wobble. Very impressive, and you can feel the trigger mechanisms having walls to prevent button wobble, so I see no reason that the click stability will deteriorate over time. The coating is impressive as well, providing a sticky rubbery coating that feels as good if not better than my DAv3 Pro Faker Edition and GPX2. The base is plastic and solid. It features the DPI button and the connectivity switch (2.4ghz, off, BT from top to bottom). MCHOSE mice feature BT connectivity if you need it. I'd assume the use case is for students that want to game with and carry one mouse, though that's a little excessive for me. I wonder if it contributes to the weight, however. The skates feature lips which I really hate (similarly on the GPX2, Pulsar mice), however, the lip is shorter here than those mentioned, and it doesn't scratch an Artisan mid or a Steelseries Speed. The weight comes in at exactly 40g and 45g for the Pro and Ultra with dot skates. You will likely be up a gram with full size skates. **Buttons**: The buttons feel great, and I did open both to confirm that they are indeed Omron Opticals due to issues with recent budget mice advertising, but ultimately skimping on, the Omron Optical switches. These are similar to a Maya X, but I get more tactile feedback here. Compared to the GPX2 there is less feedback, but the clicks are much less stiff, which people didn't enjoy on the GPX2. This will be much more comfortable to spam over time, which I appreciate. Side buttons are a bit heavy, but don't have any obvious pre or post travel to make them a pain to use. The only nitpick is that the button shapes themselves are a bit small and overly rounded, but I understand the need to make them small on a small mouse. The scroll wheel is a TTC Gold dustproof, a staple in the modding community and one I've modded in my DAv3 Pro as well. No issues with the durability on this wheel and glad they used it here. The only nitpick is that it may be too loud for some, as the meta for scroll wheels these days is to be light and quiet. I prefer the TTC Gold if it means more durability. The middle click feels great too, I believe it is not a cheaper dot switch that others tend to use. **Skates**: Black dye PTFE is the choice here, which I'm a bit confused by but they aren't the worst skates. I used to rock stock skates all the time, but I prefer dots now. You get passable stock skates here. Fortunately it is a great base to work with for dots/donuts/whatever you may choose. **Software**: I'm really happy to hear that MCHOSE had a beta webdriver in the works. In my A7 review, I used the software. Now that the webdriver is out, it works with the L7 and is backwards compatible with many of MCHOSE's previous offerings (A7, M7, L7, G7, certain G3/A5 variants, and their upcoming K7). Shout out to MCHOSE for bringing this meaningful QOL update to their previous offerings instead of restricting compatibility with their newest releases. The only bad part is that you still have to download firmware updates as files to your PC, but I don't mind. **Extras/Unboxing**: Just a set of decent looking grips that I didn't use come in the box besides the standards (mouse, cable, dongle). I would have prefered an extra set of white/clear PTFE skates considering the stock ones are black dye PTFE. On the plus side, however, they include a dongle that is compatible with high polling rates, which is incredible value for a mouse starting at $55. **In-Hand Performance**: I really enjoy this shape, even with larger hands (~21x11). This gives you that good low button height, with just enough of a back hump to give you stability when you need it. I'm trying to ditch ergo mice that just give you a bunch of stability but much less finger/wrist dexterity, so understand that I enjoy the shape while definitely not in my comfort zone. The low button height helps a ton with finger dexterity in precise tracking motions (recoil control, distant targets, PGT, Snake Track) as opposed to chunkier mice I had been using like the GPX2 and DAv3. The low weight helps a lot with fatigue in reactive motions. The physics of a direction change involve the weight. As such, a low 40g weight takes a lot of strain off of your arm over time (close range strafes, flicks, Ground/Aether). For reference, these were my experiences using this mouse to get masters in the tracking section of Voltaic S5 benchmarks. I feel like there isn't much more to go into here. It's a essentially a cloned shape, and a common shape design language at this point. **Tested Performance**: Go check the [techpowerup review](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/mchose-l7-pro/) by u/pzogel for the raw numbers, but basically, the firmware performs insanely well. The click latency is 0.2ms in wireless mode (approaching the 0.1ms mark set by EGG wired 8k mice) and provides that result in any polling setting, so don't feel like you have to use higher polling rates for that great click latency. As for the sensor performance, cross referencing the [techpowerup OP1 8k review](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/endgame-gear-op1-8k/5.html), the OP1 8k is 1.2ms ahead of the control (G403), whereas the L7 Pro is at 0.9ms ahead of the control (both set to 4k, L7 Pro at wireless). So obviously great performance, but this is only the Pro with the 3395, which gets me to my next point: my confusions with the Ultra. **Pro vs. Ultra?**: I prefer the Pro if you haven't noticed me referencing the 40g weight and the techpowerup review for the Pro throughout the review (although there isn't an Ultra review as of this review). The Pro features the 3395 and a 250mAh battery while the Ultra features the 3950 and a 500mAh battery, causing a weight discrepancy between them of 5g (40g, 45g, respectively). I feel like for true "Ultra" performance, there should be a 3950 variant with the 250mAh battery, weighing in at 40g. Even if you argue that the average consumer doesn't care about the 5g weight reduction, then my counter argument is that they also don't care about having a 3950 vs. the already incredibly performing 3395 present in the Pro. In that case, the casual consumer should be more likely to enjoy a 3395 variant with a 500mAh battery at slightly cheaper than the Ultra's current $65 price tag. This would make way for an Ultra variant with the 3950 and the 250mAh battery. This becomes even more apparent when looking at MCHOSE's full size offerings (A7 and M7). The A7 and M7 don't massively undercut the weight of the GPX2 and Zowie U2, but they could! The Pro/Ultra M7 uses a 500mAh battery for a 58g weight, the standard M7 uses a 300mAh battery for a 53g weight, and the Zowie U2 is listed at 60g. Isn't a hypothetical M7 Ultra with the 3950 and 300mAh battery at 53g a much more enticing full-size clone than what they currently produce? The Lamzu Maya X is gaining popularity among full size users, and that weights 47g. Another counter argument would be battery life, but I have had great battery life on the L7 Pro, switching from 1khz in most games and 4khz for aimtrainers and compatible games. This lasts me about 1-2 weeks, but admittedly, the Ultra didn't give me a low battery indicator in 2 weeks of testing. This gets even more confusing when you consider the upcoming K7 from MCHOSE, which features a 500mAh battery and a charging dock. If you've used a Zowie wireless mouse before, you have absolutely no clue how long the battery lasts because the charging dock is so convenient and it keeps your mouse juiced all the time. Why not use the charging dock to pursue a lighter/smaller battery, considering the 250mAh gives adequate battery life already? **Final Thoughts/TL;DR**: This is the best budget mouse I've tried. The coating is good, the weight is good, the base is good for my dot skates, the Omron Opticals feel great, the wheel is dustproof, and the webdriver covers all the bases. It's insane to think that this is available for $55 and I definitely see it putting pressure on other brands. If you slapped a Lamzu/Scyrox/Pulsar logo on this and charged $100-120, no one would notice. I could see this becoming popular for 3D printed mod kit internals in the future considering the low price, small internals, and insane performance. The best competition for this is probably the Pulsar X2 Crazylight, which gives you the benefit of a 3950 and a lower 35g weight. Unfortunately, I don't think those benefits outweigh the price discrepancy ($120 vs. $55). I concede that I haven't tried that mouse, but I'm not particularly excited to do so considering the price differential, the inconsistency of click feel between Pulsar mice, and Pulsar QC. I'd like to hear from you if you have tried the X2 Crazylight and the L7 Pro.

For size around Viper Mini, it's really hard to beat I also like L7 Pro and just got my hands on the Scyrox v6, but I keep going back to the Hyperlight as the micros on it feel so smooth. Not entirely sure but I'd guess it's the hump presence in combination with the low click height.

Agree, it's also disappointing cause it's all come together before in the L7 Pro Wish they could just do a normal battery size A7 Pro around Maya X weight and call it a day with these GPX clones. They feel too pressured to match everything in the other Chinese competitor brands for their market, I guess

I recently went with L7 pro. And its been great. 41 gr with stock feet

I have the mchose l7 pro and love it.

your grip is 1-3-1 claw (relaxed). i use the same grip with handsize 19.5x9.5cm - i love my mchose L7. 50$ for the best quality mouse ive ever tried in my 33years. they have different shapes to chose from but most are slightly heavier. additional buttons are usually not considered worth it since they increase the weight.

i have made really bad experiences with corsair products quality overall. can not recommend. overpriced and not even good (good as long as it lasts but doesnt last long enough). you could get a flawless mchose L7 with 39g, 8khz polling and optical switches for 50 bucks nowadays btw.

i own the L7pro and im very happy with it - its lighter and doesnt cost much more so i would recommend. both shapes are easy to handle with all grip styles if you have somewhere around avg sized hands (i have slightly bigger).

i currently main a "mchose L7 pro" and absolutely love it - its 52€ and has top notch specs and build quality. really nothing to complain - just the best mouse ive ever tried by far. but mchose have many different models and theres more than this one company. generally no need to spend more than 100 bucks tho - and forget about big brands like logitech and razer, theyre all a few years behind and way too overprized unfortunately. just make sure its below 50g and wireless! :) and thank me later.

They feel identical to me, but I'm not out here measuring this stuff. Also when I initially read your reply I thought you were talking about the MChose A7 (Superlight clone), as they're the same shape. If you're actually talking about the L7 Pro - that's the one I've been maining for the last few weeks and I prefer it over any mouse I've tried so far, mostly due to the shape and weight. No issues with the polling rate on any of them unless it's caused by the game itself and I would take any of them over the superlight any day.

Without a shadow of a doubt I would buy the MChose L7 Pro or Ultra. The best being the latter.

Second this. Or the Pro version is fine too. But since the price difference is very marginal just get the Ultra.

Hello, I've pretty much finished making a 3D printed zeromouse blade clone using the Mchose L7 Ultra 250mah version internals. Let me know if you're interested. Only available in the U.S for now. Available in two sizes: (Normal - 83 x 23 x 62 / Small - 78 x 23 x 72). Three different click heights: Ambi: Left Click Height - Low / Right Click Height - Low (Original) Ergo: Left Click Height - High / Right Click Height - Med Super Ergo: Left Click Height - High / Right Click Height - Low Pictures: [https://imgur.com/a/J7pWBKw](https://imgur.com/a/J7pWBKw)

In my case it's the opposite, I was used to my G Pro Superlight (I bought it because at that time it was reliable and one of the best), now I have a Mchose L7 Pro, and when comparing it, the Superlight feels slower and less responsive. Perhaps because the g pro has more latency and motion lag.

It's definitely worth the price but for a few euros more you can get the mchose l7 pro which might be more reliable, it's almost a flawless mouse for the price

I have had my L7 pro for about a year now. Absolutely fantastic mice for (I got the promotional discount) 38gbp. Simply the best under 50USD mice out there with a feature packed deal. Though their software is still in beta phase, web based had recently been launched too so.

You have relaxed claw grip, L7 might be a bit short for you though.

i’ve got the Mchose L7 Pro and love it

I'd go for the mchose L7 pro. It's right around 60 bucks depending on where you live. I've had it for a couple weeks now and I'm enjoying it a lot more than my previous mouse which was a super light 2 that was 3x the price but doesn't perform as well as the mchose. I also play fortnite at a moderately high(ish) level. I'd recommend for fortnite

Crazylight, Mchose L7 so good in my hand I don't think about how to grip it

EDITOR'S NOTES It finally came out, huh? lol A while ago, the list 1.0 of the best mice on AliExpress was posted here on Sub, which was focused on Low Budget and more cost-benefit than performance. In this list we focused on prioritizing mice that are also cost-effective but with High End quality (that's why you'll miss some models like the Attack Shark X6, X11, AJAZZ models and others). Remembering that this tier list is based on personal experiences, leave your comment respectfully if you disagree and leave your Up if you like the work! Without further ado, let's go :D WRITTEN TIER LIST - S+: Scyrox V8, Scyrox V6, Zaopin ZPW Max, ATK F1 Extreme, ATK X1 Ultimate - S: Attack Shark R3, VXE MAD R, Attack Shark R5, Delux M900 Ultralight 8K Set, ATK Z1, MCHOSE A7 Ultra, ATK A9 Ultra - A: VGN F1 Pro, VXE R1 Pro Max, Zaopin Z2 Mini Max, Zaopin Z1 - B: Fantech Aria II, IYX Amber, Incott G23 Pro, Helios II Pro - C: Rapoo VT3 Pro Max, Rapoo VT1 Pro, MCHOSE A5, Delux M800 4k ABOUT THE TOP OF THE LIST - Scyrox V8 and V6: These two mice manage to deliver ultra-light weight, excellent construction, marked scroll, great finish, the best sensor on the market and still have an affordable price. (Same shape: Pulsar X2H) - Zaopin ZPW Max: A new launch on the market with an ergonomic shape that fits practically any hand size and grip. Although ergonomic shapes tend to have some flaws in the construction of the main buttons, this mouse managed to achieve the perfect construction.All that said, it has 8K and an excellent sensor at an affordable price, great value for money. (Same shape: Lamzu Thorn) - ATK F1 Extreme: This mouse has been on the market for a while now, but it is extremely consolidated with more of the same, better sensor, 8K and it still has the Ice Feeling coating, characteristic of ATK that helps with sweaty hands. This mouse also weighs 35 grams, making it extremely light. It's worth every penny for the quality of the material and finish, a top-notch mouse. (Same Shape: Razer Viper Mini) - ATK X1 Ultimate: The success of this mouse speaks for itself, it is everything that the ATK F1 is, but ends up being a little heavier and with a different shape for bigger hands. The Ice Feeling is also on this mouse and today it comes in metallic red and metallic purple, which may please some. (Same shape: Razer Viper V3) - IPI FLOAT: In this mouse segment, it is extremely cost-effective. When I say this, I am considering that it is practically a Finalmouse Low Budget, offering great performance but being 4 times cheaper than a Finalmouse. Some negative points would be its Feets and battery if you turn it on, but in terms of performance and overall construction, this mouse is incredible. (Same shape: VAXEE XE-S) A TIER A LITTLE LOWER - Attack Shark R3: This is a magnesium mouse that I can say the same about the IPI FLOAT: in the magnesium segment this mouse is almost 3 times cheaper than the main ones and delivers a great set. The mouse, despite being an Attack Shark, is very well built and finished, offers a great sensor and lightness, making your user experience great. (Same shape: G-wolves HTX) - VXE MAD R: This mouse is excellent, period. One of the ultra-lightweight mice, great coating, good price... so why isn't it S+? Scyrox is simply better in every aspect for a lower price, so it comes in at the S tier very well placed. (Same shape: Zowie S2-DW) - Attack Shark R5: To be quite honest, this mouse is almost a copy of the IPI FLOAT but has better feet and a better sensor, but it doesn't justify its price being almost 50% more than the IPI FLOAT, so it's in this position. (Same shape: VAXEE XE-S) - Delux M900 Ultralight 8k Set: This mouse has an extremely cost-effective set. Great coating, comes with Nano Reciver 8K, a new technology on the market, ergonomic shape that also has a good construction (not as much as the Zaopin ZPW Max) that pleases most hands and a great option for Claw grip, your hand simply rests on the mouse. (Same shape: Zowie EC1) - ATK Z1 Pro Max: This is a mouse that I didn't put in the S+ tier so as not to be too much of a club fan, hahaha. The truth is that the shape of this mouse is extremely comfortable for all hands, a shape that is used by several pro players in a mouse that is twice as expensive, it has excellent quality (after all, it is from ATK) and has a very good sensor and batteries. (Same shape: Pulsar Xlite) - MCHOSE A7 Ultra: the famous GPX shape in a really good construction (different from the GPX's own scroll wheel :p). The mouse is very complete and offers everything a high end mouse needs with excellent quality and shape for a price much lower than the price of a GPX, for example. (Same shape: guess what? Logitech G Pro Superlight 2) - ATK A9 Ultra: Pretty much the same description as the mouse above, it has the same shape as the GPX and is of excellent quality. It is a little more expensive than the MCHOSE, but it is ATK quality, in case you are unsure about exploring new horizons with the MCHOSE. (Same shape: Logitech G Pro Superlight 2) SOME FINAL CONSIDERATIONS Ultimately, all Tier S+ mice and even some mentions of Tier S have excellent quality and power, the difference will be small in relation to price (except for those in a specific segment such as Magnesium and Carbon Fiber), so the ideal is for you to choose the shape that best suits your hand and buy the one you like the most! I'm glad you guys are supporting me in the first tier, if you have any opinions, the comments are always open with a lot of respect! :D Tier list 3.0??

I ended up forgetting about it, it would certainly be above the VXE MAD R, but the price of the MCHOSE L7 is still almost 50% more than the price of the MAD R... Is it worth it? Definitely, but they would be very even, but I'm on team L7!!

Omron optical are quiet but not that fun to click. Huano blue shell pink dots kinda replace the high pitch glass breaking sound of Omron 20m/50m/60m/100m mechanicals with more of a mid-tone range sound, so are sort of quieter. Then switches like “Huano silent” are pretty silent but also kind of meh to click. The quietest Omron optical switch mouse I’ve used is Attack Shark R6, then ones like Mchose L7 with Omron optical are also pretty quiet. Like I said, not a huge fan of how opticals feel, though. Besides that, mice like Zaopin Z1 with it’s Huanos are pretty quiet also, and VXE R1 Pro. If you know how to solder AND do a plunger swap, then Japanese Omrons are more on the quieter side as well.

Thought I would reply after testing like a dozen Chinese mice that Mchose L7 (small version - larger version is louder) probably has the quietest Omron optical clicks. Attack Shark R6 is also similar in noise but worse firmware.

I wanted as small mouse as possible and I found out Mchose L7 the best. Look at eloshapes. It has lowest height and good specs. You don't have to buy Ultra. Pro version is good enough.

My L7 just arrived and fits like a GLOVE! I have yet to test it out in-game but I already think this might be my endgame...

Most mice are going to feel like a downgrade going from a beast x. Maybe try the mchose L7 if you want to try a small rear humped mouse. 

Hey friend I live in Brazil too. You can get a VXE R1 Pro, it goes for about 260 reais with taxes. very very good mouse that lasted me a year and a half before I got a new one (it's still working flawlessly, I just got bored of it and decided to try a small mouse, the Attack Shark R6 - it's shape is better than the VXE R1 Pro for my hands, but it depends on your own hand size. build quality is inferior to the VXE though). Another one that I would recommend is the Mchose L7 Pro/Ultra (both versions are good) - it's a little more expensive at 300-320 reais, but a very good mouse because I prefer smaller mice. Another one that is good but more expensive is the VXE Mad R, people say it's a direct upgrade from the VXE R1 Pro. Ultimately, the VXE R1 Pro is my final recomendation for how universally good, well built and cheap it is.

Ordered L7 the other day and its kinda converting. For a decade I've been using different G502 and swapped to a Keychron M5 (I'm a graphic designer, so work mouse) and while it can game, I wouldn't use it for intense shooter use. So bit the bullet and got what people say is a general bang for buck. Overall it feels pretty good on the hand, but I have to learn how to grip it.

Mchose L7/Pro/Ultra 100 procent S tier

i have the mechanical version and i dont really like the clicks. They feel similar to kailhs

Oh sorry, i thought 150 was your budget my bad.  Mchose L7, OP1 8K, ATK F1 ext. If you like bigger mice. Madlions mad g, vxe mad r, eweadn s9/atk x1 For cloth mousepad there are a lot of good options from matrova, infinitymice, meow gaming gear, and esport tiger. Just pick the speed pad option from these companies.

Great, If you want more deeper palm contact go with scyrox. L7 and F1 if you want less palm contact and more of fingers mobility. For OP1 it just the thinness of it that will decide whether you like it or not, and because it's thin the hump should be able to snug into your palm easily

Pretty happy with the Mchose L7 for about a month now.. got the Ultra for the blue color but the Pro should fit your budget

Idk my hands are pretty big 19.5 x 10.5 but i really do not understand the hype behind the shapes of the l7 and mad R for example. I main the vxe r1 and its very comfortable, the mchose l7 just feels short and awkwardly wide, like the proportions dont make sense at all , i cant find a single comfortable grip, be that claw or ftip. And no i dont have alien hands. I understand we are all diffrent with diffrent preferences but i dont really understand this one. Same goes for the mad r that i find significantly more uncomfortable than the r1 , but people keep calling it an upgrade.

This is exactly what I'm going through right now. Ultimately I'd like to find a mouse with a shape thats an evolution of the g305. I've been looking at elo shapes to find a similar mouse but they don't really provide the curves of the mouse just the overall silhouette and size. Some of the mouse I've tried are the Razer Orochi v2, fantech aria, Razer viper, mchose l7, pulsar x2h, zaopin z1. So far I've liked the fantech aria shape the most out of all the mice I've tried but there hasn't been anything quite like the g305 shape other than ofcourse it's clone mice.

This. As someone who have this grip.. L7 is like the perfect mouse for me

Modded mine to 33g.. is so goated.

I have the same hand size and grip as you. The best feeling mice are is something like Sora shaped. The most locked in feel is the scyrox v6 (htxplus shape)and the most fun shape is Mchose L7.

Mchose L7 is fun to use as a fingertip mouse.

I have 21.5cm hands. If you claw it's not a problem at all. I'm talking bout plus version, the bigger L7 You need back hump support. That's why you felt the vvp was lacking because while the mouse is long, its hump slope is not aggressive enough to support your palm. Get something Sora shaped. The latest highly recommended is the L7 plus. It's shaped like the Sora v1. But cheaper.

MCHOSE L7 Pro version with 3395 is lighter than the Ultra version with 3950 cause they used a smaller battery... go figure

The L7 is really good. Almost too good for its price. Have the ultra, no issues.

I went from OP1 to Mchose L7, been enjoying it a lot.

i love my l7

Lot of closely similar options but really depends on what kind of hump you like or the placement of it… I’ve been down the rabbit hole and ended up with an X2V2 MINI, there’s a cheaper alternative with an identical shape the MCHOSE L7, good build $50 cheaper and good build. Other options are… XM2WE, OPM1, Lamzu Maya… Eloshapes.com helps compare shapes so you can see what you think you may like. I find the XM2WE a bit too wide for my hands yet I still found it very comfortable to hold and use, just wanted something more fine tuned to me. OPM1 I found was too thin on the sides for me, opposite of XM2. Both have incredible build quality and click feel. Maya I found the hump was too far forward for me and also too high. The MCHOSE and X2V2 mini was very low profile, light, and perfect width for me personally. I ended up liking these two the most and went as far to get a pulsar custom variant. Hope this helps! And good luck

I have the Mchose L7 which is a clone of that X2 Mini Crazylight. You'll like the shape for your grip style. It's a small mouse, but has flat sides and is wide enough to not feel crampy like some other small mice. Yeah the amount of raw aiming we do in aim trainers is nowhere near what we experience in games. For some, aim training has become their main game, if that isn't the case for you definitely stick with LMB to shoot. I stopped grinding aim trainers a long time ago and just use it as a means to benchmark mice, pads, and skates now. Good luck on your journey!

if you're willing to order from aliexpress, you can get insanely good mice in that price range with the specifications you gave me. Something like a Scyrox V8, VXE Mad R, AULA SC800, Mchose L7, Delux M900 mini pro, the list goes on and on If you want necessarily big brand and want to stay below the 80$ mark, probably a deathadder v3. Only downside is that it's wired but you cant get a good wireless mouse from a big brand (that is brand new, so no 2nd hand market, which I assume you're not interested in) below those 80$. Or, at least, not with comparable performance You can get something from the big brands that is wireless and relatively cheap... However, they use AAA or AA batteries instead of having an internal one that is rechargable. Honestly I wouldnt bother with those, but if big brand is compulsory and so is wireless, have a look at them. Something like a Razer Deathadder V2 x Hyperspeed.

Mchose L7 is a clone of the Pulsar X2 MINI but even slightly smaller than that. It's quite a tiny mouse. On the contrary, the logitech g304 despite it's appearance, it's actually quite a filling mouse because of how the egg shape forces your fingers apart and is quite wide in the middle, it would be quite the adjustment for you to get a mouse as small as the mchose L7. I would go for the normal pulsar x2 shape. Some clones of that would be the Mchose L7 Pro/Ultra PLUS(+). From atk/vxe you have the Vxe r1 and the vxe mad r. Atk/vxe mice are only available from aliexpress so shipping times are a lot longer, but personally I prefer their mice to mchose and they're also a lot cheaper. Everyday aliexpress has a deal of if you spend more than $X get $Y off. On top of that there are lots of coupon codes you can apply at checkout if you pay with paypal. I was able to get my Vxe mad r for $28. The vxe r1 is the older version of that and it's dirt cheap even before aliexpress coupons. Downside if using atk/vxe is their bullshit with releasing 10 versions of every mouse... SE, standard, plus, pro, promax, ultra... really annoying. You can find the differences by looking up the mouse on their website and scrolling down until you find their chart. If you decide to go the atk/vxe route and get confused lmee know if you have any questions.

Mchose L7 is a clone of the Pulsar X2 MINI but even slightly smaller than that. It's quite a tiny mouse. On the contrary, the logitech g304 despite it's appearance, it's actually quite a filling mouse because of how the egg shape forces your fingers apart and is quite wide in the middle, it would be quite the adjustment for you to get a mouse as small as the mchose L7. I would go for the normal pulsar x2 shape. Some clones of that would be the Mchose L7 Pro/Ultra PLUS(+). From atk/vxe you have the Vxe r1 and the vxe mad r. Atk/vxe mice are only available from aliexpress so shipping times are a lot longer, but personally I prefer their mice to mchose and they're also a lot cheaper. Everyday aliexpress has a deal of if you spend more than $X get $Y off. On top of that there are lots of coupon codes you can apply at checkout if you pay with paypal. I was able to get my Vxe mad r for $28. The vxe r1 is the older version of that and it's dirt cheap even before aliexpress coupons. Downside if using atk/vxe is their bullshit with releasing 10 versions of every mouse... SE, standard, plus, pro, promax, ultra... really annoying. You can find the differences by looking up the mouse on their website and scrolling down until you find their chart. If you decide to go the atk/vxe route and get confused lmee know if you have any questions.

I recommend the mchose l7 or darmoshark m5 (a fingertip only mouse)

X2 crazy light or mchose l7

Yeah one of the best mouse for hybrid grip style

Razer cobra hyperspeed Op18k v2 X2 crazy light / mchose l7 if you want a budget x2 cl option. For mousepad what games do you play what is your preferred glide on a mousepad, speed, balance, control?

Imo no the mouse is bigger for fingertip so I recommend a small mouse or an actual fingertip mouse. For a small mouse - x2 cl, mchose l7, beast x mini. Fingertip mouse - darmoshark m5/air, keychron m4, pulsar x2f.

Mchose L7 very nice also

I have it also, my favourite.

I fully agree with that you found from it. I bought the L7, Mad R (X2 clone) and Attackshark R6 (Atlantis Mini Clone) all cause their under 40g. The L7 fits right in the middle. It's not got aggressive curves or but it's not entirely flat. It's a very solid feeling shape and for the price you can get the mouse for even the normal L7 not pro or Ultra is a very very solid price for value.

The quality ok the L7 is exceptional. I wouldn't expect you to run into any major issues with it during use. Op18k is more narrow i have it as well, build quality on it is just as good, it can be fingertiped but is better for claw by far.

Personally it totally changed how I view and buy mice. When I first got into them I had a Superlight then got a HTX, when it died i only looked at "higher end" mice like the X2V2 and Atlantis Mini. I have like 6 mice over 100$ now, but i have over 15 others at less than 50$ a piece. I got the Mchose L7, VXE Mad R and Attackshark R6 all recently and the cost was about 100$ total for all 3 and those mice are on par performance, QC wise, and coating wise. At this point i specialize in this subreddit in knowing cheap and budget mice because so many of them are easily able to compete. At this point why bother buying a more expensive branded mouse. You could get a Viper V3 Pro or you could just get a clone for a fraction the price that will arguably offer the same thing. It's gotten wild how high quality the budget options are when you can now just get the same for cheaper. While customer service is a factor for a lot of the mice the customer service can be hit or miss even. G-Wolves is a very well known example.

These days a lot of the more budget options are using the same encoders, same switches, and have extremely good build quality. We exited the age where only more expensive mice were viable a while back. Even the Beast X Mini you have happened because random Chinese budget companies went "Oh we can do the Viper Mini Signature Edition too" then like 5 companies all made magneisum mice on a budget compared to the 250$ for the VMSE. While a lot of them are SUPER cheap chinese electronics using older outdated parts, stuff like the Mad R, Attack Shark R6, or Mchose L7, all feel just as premium in hand as anything from Pulsar, Razer, EndGameGear or Logitech while being half or less the prices without any major flex or other issues.

If I could throw my hat in there with a few suggestions. ATK A9 is a solid competitor but more accurate to the Superlight than thechose A7. Mchose L7 and L7+ are incredibly solid for the price. Both Scyrox mice are extremely solid being a Sora V2 and a HTS+ clone. Lethal LA-1 is an incredibly solid original shape who's price kept lowering due to a small flex issue and to compete with other cheap mice, it's an incredible mouse for the price. VGY Y2 is a NP-01s clone and is super solid build quality and lighter weight for a fraction the price of the original

If I could throw my hat in there with a few suggestions. ATK A9 is a solid competitor but more accurate to the Superlight than thechose A7. Mchose L7 and L7+ are incredibly solid for the price. Both Scyrox mice are extremely solid being a Sora V2 and a HTS+ clone. Lethal LA-1 is an incredibly solid original shape who's price kept lowering due to a small flex issue and to compete with other cheap mice, it's an incredible mouse for the price. VGY Y2 is a NP-01s clone and is super solid build quality and lighter weight for a fraction the price of the original

I currently own over 30 gaming mice and have tried over 40. I fell into this rabbit hole about 2 years ago when my G-Wolves HTX died on me after only a few months of use and sent me spiraling trying to find a new mouse to replace it. This ended up sending me down a rabbit hole which you can hear more about in this video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogv2aLNVBR4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogv2aLNVBR4) So this post today is because I recently got to over 30 mice owned and over 40 used. Last time I made a post with everything it blew up as at the time I had said I'd be stopping as the Scyrox V6 was basically my personal end point. Many of you called that out as a lie. Many of you clocked me correctly. F\*\*k you. Anyways, because of this I've ended up with more, got a much better understanding of what I do properly actually want instead of just randomly searching for mice and am actually, probably, for real this time, nearing my end game. So I figured I'd do it again, list all the mice I own and have tried, and answer any questions you all have about the mice I've used.  You may have seen me around here as well, I've made a lot of comments helping people to try and find mice for them as at this point I know a TON about gaming mice and even more about cheaper ones to help people find ones that are just way cheaper and better for them rather than letting people spend a hundred dollars on a mouse that won't quite work for them. Order: GQLRQ  Smart Mouse at rear. OP18K Purple Frost, Razer Viper V3 Pro, Mchose L7+, Orbital Pathfinder, Pulsar TenZ, Zowie EC3-CW, Glorious Model D 2  Pro, Lethal LA-1 Logitech G Pro Dex, PureTrak Valor, VXE Mad R Major, Keychron M2 Mini, Pulsar X2V2 Mini, Zaopin Z1 Pro, Mchose L7 Pro, AttackShark R6 Darmoshark M5, Phylina S450, Lamzu Atlantis Mini, Delux M600, AttackShark X3, G-Wolves HTX, ATK U2, Glorious Series 2 Pro Pulsar X2H, Scyrox V6, ZeroMouse V35, ZeroMouse Blade, Vaxee NP-01s, Cherry Xtrfy M64, ATK A9 Plus Not Pictured Previously Used: VXE R1, AttackShark R1, Razer DeathAdder V3 Pro, ZeroMouse V34, Razer Viper V2 Pro, Deathadder V2 Wired, Logitech G Pro Superlight 1 and 2. Also most of these mice were either bought on a deep discount, or used. Only about 4 of these mice did I pay full price for, the majority of them were under 50$ (of the 32 pictured, 21 were under 50$). Though for sure I do have a spending problem. **\*\*EDIT\*\*** Since Many Asked here's my top 10: Mchose L7+, Viper V3 Pro, Orbital Pathfinder, Pulsar TenZ, OP18K PE, Mchose L7, Glorious Model D 2 Pro, Lamzu Atlantis Mini, Scyrox V6, Lethal LA-1.

That's so true and i'm so sorry. Mchose L7+, ZeroMouse Blade, Viper V3 Pro, Orbital Pathfinder, Pulsar TenZ

Top 5: L7+, ZeroMouse Blade, Viper V3 Pro, Orbital Pathfinder, Pulsar TenZ Quietest is honestly probably the L7+ It's opticals but they just sound full and overall more on the bass side than treble which makes them very quiet, outside the gaming oriented ones the Smart Mouse is nearly totally silent.

Mchose L7+ is my current main but probably the Viper V3 Pro since it's overall just fantastic for almost all shapes and grips. But if someone was only gonna buy one mouse out of all these? the Pathfinder easily, it just offers so much more than all the others.

The Z1 I got when i was first getting into mice cause it was cheap and a unique shape and after spending many hours with it i can firmly say i have no fucking idea how i'm personally supposed to hold that mouse. It never clicked for me lmfao. As for Fingertipping the L7, I'd say that's totally doable. It's got some small curves to the rear hump going towards the front, but really not a lot. It's fairly flat all the way up and i can easily fingertip it if i try with 19x10 hands. The L7 and L7+ are just totally different shapes entirely. The L7+ has a larger rear hump, more agressive tapering down from the top, harsher curves overall, while the L7 is more like a slightly curvier X2 Mini the L7+ is a straight up Sora V1 clone. You'd have a substantially harder time fingertipping that.

I've found the Mchose L7 and ATK A9 are both fantastic. Putting the A9 against an actual superlight 2 and genuinely I can't tell the difference in performance or feel. The L7 has some of the best internals on market according to many reviews, their implementation is simply superb and the quality on them is on par with Razer's own offerings.

Viper V3 Pro White is simply fantastic. The Mchose L7 and L7+ both feel great in hand, the ATK A9 Ice Feel is actually extremely nice on all their mice i've tried but overall the Pathfinder actually has my favorite coating of any mouse i've used. I was in the habit of trying mousepads, however that was a much faster journey. I tried the Steelseries QCK, Hyper X Fury Speed, Hyper X Fury, Artisan Hein XL X-Soft, SP-004, and XrayPad Aqua Control + Heat Treated. I personally realized quickly i use a fairly high mouse sense (at the fastest 35cm to do a 360, at the lowest 50cm) so i wanted faster overall pads and skates, so i stick to the SP-004 and use Jade Skates. I specifically would like to see a mouse with a left side harsh curve like the U2, with flat sides like the OP1/TenZ/L7. I personally really like a heavy thumb curve but i don't actually do much with my ride side fingers, at times only even keeping my ring finger actually on the mouse at all. I've actually currently got my Pathfinder setup like this and it feels really quite nice in the hand.

To add to this now the Mchose L7 is a X2V2 Mini clone at sub 40g, the Attackshark R6 is a Clone of the Sora V2 for 50$, and VXE Mad R is the R1 nut weighs way less. Brands like VXE and ATK and Scyrox have come up and are way way cheaper now for their build quality

I have a more updated list here: * Incott Ghero Pro: Solid Mouse that feels like a GPX Ergo (or NP-01 Clone) and is extremely solidly build while staying price wise at 50$ * VGN Dragonfly F1: Solid orignial shape with a larger rear hump on the end that curves more inwards before coming out at the front, very safe shape at 46$ * ATK Blazing Sky F1: Shaped akin to a Sora V2 it's got a much larger rear hump with substantial curves as it comes into the front while going thinner towards it with lowered clicks. Is 38g and has a 3950 sensor but is usually a full 70$ * Darmoshark M3S: Solid Viper styled shape with those same bell curves, usually around 40$ * Zaopin Z2: Solid ergo light with a much smaller ergo feel yet still has a nice rounded bump and curve to it for the ergo feel at 50$ * Endgame Gear OP1 Wired: This is what a lot of mice are based on as EGG has some of the better mice on market in terms of quality and built and software. It's one of the best mice you can buy. It is wired but if you don't care about 4k or 8k it's perfectly fine at 45$ * VXE R1: Nearly identical to the Pulsar X2V2 it's got a super solid feel and the pro model has a better coating and overall well implemented sensor. Considered the king of the budgets it's 50$ for the Pro and as low as 20$ for not pro. * VXE Mad R: Identical to the mouse above in shape its another X2V2 clone perfect at 38g great for all grip styles, the Major verision has a 3950 sensor and is 45$ for normal, 63$ for Major, if you can grab this over the normal R1. * Incott HPC02M: is a X2 clone with supersolid build quality and the ability to swap the switches with ease. 55$ * PureTrak Valor: Clone of the GPX but with 3395 and USB-C that usually sells for sub 50$ * Incott G23: GPX clone with hotswappable switches at 50$ * Phlyina S450: HTS+ Clone with solid build quality and a really good mouse. They are working on a 38g version and have a 4k version around 40-50$ * Scyrox V8: Sora V2 clone at 38g with a 3950 built for claw, can be found for 70$ * Attack Shark R6: Another Sora V2 Clone with a 3950 built for claw, can be found for 50$. * ATK Blazing Sky X1: Viper V3 clone with 3950 and solid build quality right at the 70$ price range. * Incott G24: Zowie EC2 Clone that's hotswap and solid weight can be found for 70$ * Mchose L7: 38g with a shape somewhere between the Lamzu Atlantis and X2V2. It has flatter sides but still a larger rear curve to lock in slightly better than something like the Mad R while still feeling very premium. Basic model has 3395 for 45$ and pro is closer to 60$ for 3950. * Lethal LA-1: Basically a larger OP1. Same kind of curves but a larger overall feel, due to having some very small issues with the batch and to compete with budget mice it can now be found for 30$. * Razer Viper V3 Hyperspeed: While a bit heavier than most at 83g and using a AA battery, It still boasts a solid sensor and performance with a shape that people adore for 70$ * Scyrox V8 and V6: solid Sora clone and HTS+ clone both at around 40g with full 8k and solid internals. Very good overall and some of the best budget out there. 70$

We have the same hand size and roughly same grip. While that is how your hand rests do you end up swapping to palm as you play? If so then you grip like me and I have about 5 mice i could reccomend that I personally use a ton. OP18K: Larger rear hump that thins out towards the front with flat sides for easily adjusting grips or getting solid finger placements. Lethal LA-1: Same shape as OP1 but a little larger with slightly easier curves and comfort grooves on the clicks. Gives a solid locked in feeling and is only like 30$ which is a really good price. Mchose L7: For the price this mouse is insane. Fairly small but has just the fight curves on the side to lock you in but not quite force a grip like a Lamzu Atlantis or Scyrox V8 would. Glorious Model D 2 Pro: EC2 Clone thats a very comfy ergo. It has spinout issues and I dont reccomend glorious but its solid for me. Razer Viper V3 Pro: Solid hourglass like shape that's got a very good middle hump to really lock you in with however you want to grip it. Pulsar TenZ: Nice rear hump and higher clicks let's me get a full feeling palm with a light claw hybrid which feels fantastic to me. Scyrox V6: Solid hourglass but smaller and harsher curves with a splid middle hump to allow fantastic grip and really lock you in, probably one of the best mice i own. Pathfinder: Allows innumerable styles and grips to be tried and used, Great for any grip style ever or dialing in one you like off its changeable sides and rear hump.

Oh man I had a bad G-Wolves mouse that sent me spiraling into gaming mice lmao I for sure get that. Based on everything you listed I think you should check out the Mchose L7 for sure. The original L7 is like an in-between of a X2 Mini (same shape as the Crazy light) and the Scyrox V8 (Sora V2) it's like a smaller overall mouse but has some really solid curves towards the front off the rear hump that gave you a really nice locked in feeling. The L7+ is a Sora V1 clone but honestly feels like the TenZ without a big ass rear hump to me. What are you rocking in the Pathfinder BTW? I'mixing between the LXM-110, the LAH-222 and currently doing LAM-110 build. I think what I need is something like an NP-01s honestly (which uh...is in the mail with an EC3 right now for me lmao) but VGN just dropped the Y2 so if I like the shape I may get that since its a super solid company.

No the L7 is actually a totally original shape. https://imgur.com/a/WbpN2vO Here's some quick shots, it's kinda got the same hump at the rear, but the L7 stays a bit thicker towards the front, it also has harsher curves from the top going in towards the bottom so you can get a really solid grip on it. Configs for the orbital are in the top of the shapes box. Left Side, Right Side, Rear Side, then spacers. So if you use Average, Claw, High, 1 spacer, 2 spacers, 3 spacers then it'll be ACH-123 for example. There's a lot to try for sure. I'm excited to see the newer shape packs and I'm trying to get my 3D printer to work to start printing shapes, a dude in the server for it made like a U2, G502 and like a dozen other shapes, dudes a legend. Id try checking around resellers, I've been in the Optimum ZeroMouse server a lot and there's a whole TON of people in the AUS that do aim training and get tons of mice I've met in there, might be worth checking it out

Oh man I had a bad G-Wolves mouse that sent me spiraling into gaming mice lmao I for sure get that. Based on everything you listed I think you should check out the Mchose L7 for sure. The original L7 is like an in-between of a X2 Mini (same shape as the Crazy light) and the Scyrox V8 (Sora V2) it's like a smaller overall mouse but has some really solid curves towards the front off the rear hump that gave you a really nice locked in feeling. The L7+ is a Sora V1 clone but honestly feels like the TenZ without a big ass rear hump to me. What are you rocking in the Pathfinder BTW? I'mixing between the LXM-110, the LAH-222 and currently doing LAM-110 build. I think what I need is something like an NP-01s honestly (which uh...is in the mail with an EC3 right now for me lmao) but VGN just dropped the Y2 so if I like the shape I may get that since its a super solid company.

20x10 and I can fingertip Beast X (Mini also), Mchose L7, Hyperlight, ULX M/S, X2/Mini etc. as long as the mouse is small enough in height and length and light weight there’s plenty of options outside of the pure fingertip designed mice like the Keychron M4 etc. People with smaller hands have less options than you for fingertip options.

So I know they are not the same however just keep in mind. The duckbill or mchose l7 are also claw shapes just like the egg and tenz mice. L7 has flatter sides like the op1 it's just wider, especially the grip width. If that doesn't sound appealing maybe give the duckbill a shot first. Just my two cents.

Sadly, most mice only have 2 side buttons. I wish the standard was 3 or 4 tbh. Only one I can think of with more buttons is the Razer Naga V2 pro. It has replaceable sides with either 2, 6 or 12 buttons. It's not very small and pretty heavy though. If you can live with 2 side buttons, the g-wolves fenrir max is probably one of the smallest gaming mice on the market. For a more conventional size, but still quite small, I can recommend the Mchose L7 series. Probably the best bang for buck on the market.

L7 is a good suggestion. Great mouse.

You can find them for around $50 off mousemarket. It’s a solid mouse but the QC with clicks can be bad. But it’s a proven shape so you dont need to wait. The Mchose L7 is really good and also cheaper.

Mchose l7 pro/ultra is a good option

I use a Vxe r1 and I love it. I also tried a mchoose L7 but it’s way too small for me.

The ultra+ is not the same shape. + had more curvature on the sides and they are sloped. Personally I prefer the straight sides of the l7 or mad r far more as a fingertip user. I keep accidentally lifting the mouse when using the l7+

The ultra+ is not the same shape. + had more curvature on the sides and they are sloped. Personally I prefer the straight sides of the l7 or mad r far more as a fingertip user. I keep accidentally lifting the mouse when using the l7+