MCHOSE - L7

I use a Vxe r1 and I love it. I also tried a mchoose L7 but it’s way too small for me.

thankyou for your recommendation, i think i will go with the mchose l7 because alot of people have also said it is a good mouse but i am not a very avid mouse enthusiast do you think i will be able to tell the difference between the cheaper mice vs the 20 dollar more mchose l7? also where can i buy it for the cheapest? i have seen it cheaper in aliexpress but is it reliable you think? can you also provide a link? thankyou again

thank you man i ordered the base mchose l7

Hello, I've pretty much finished making a 3D printed zeromouse blade clone using the Mchose L7 Ultra 250mah version internals. Let me know if you're interested. Only available in the U.S for now. Available in two sizes: (Normal - 83 x 23 x 62 / Small - 78 x 23 x 72). Three different click heights: Ambi: Left Click Height - Low / Right Click Height - Low (Original) Ergo: Left Click Height - High / Right Click Height - Med Super Ergo: Left Click Height - High / Right Click Height - Low Pictures: [https://imgur.com/a/J7pWBKw](https://imgur.com/a/J7pWBKw)

Considering the mice you mentioned, I'll assume you'd like a mouse with a similar shape to the VXE R1, so my recommendations would be the following. VXE Mad R/Major: Pretty much the same shape as the R1, updated specs (3950 on the Major + 8k included on most versions) and you can get the "smaller" battery version (still is 250mah, the same as the R1 pro) and be around 35g which is wild. So pretty much the same shape but better internals ATK F1/F1 V2: The V2 is better is almost every way, but if you can get the V1 extreme for around 70-80 bucks it still is a very good option. The V2 ultimate you can find pretty easily for less than 80 bucks I think. The shape is slightly less safe than the R1 Pro but in a good way, the comfort groves on the clicks and the tapering on the sides gives a pretty good locked in feeling. The feets, coating, build quality are definitely a step up in comparison to the R1 Mchose L7 Pro/Pro +: Quite similar shape, some of the lowest click latency on the market, good build quality, the non plus version is a bit smaller than the R1 Pro, but should be fine for a claw grip for medium hands. Scyrox V6/V8: Both are good/decent for claw grip (depends if you'd like a higher back hump or a more filling middle hump). Good build quality, besides the clicks structure, I've seen quite a lot of people say the clicks have a lot of wobble. Sub 40g, really low click latency. A really good mouse overall.

i have the mechanical version and i dont really like the clicks. They feel similar to kailhs

This. As someone who have this grip.. L7 is like the perfect mouse for me

Modded mine to 33g.. is so goated.

I have the same hand size and grip as you. The best feeling mice are is something like Sora shaped. The most locked in feel is the scyrox v6 (htxplus shape)and the most fun shape is Mchose L7.

Mchose L7 is fun to use as a fingertip mouse.

Yeah Mchose L7 is a good choice

The Mchose L7 or L7 plus (it is a bit bigger) Ultra variants, Attack Shark R6, Scyrox V8 are all great. V8 is for a more aggressive claw. I've got an f2 on the way myself and it looks great on paper, but I can't personally vouch for it yet.

Crazylight, Mchose L7 so good in my hand I don't think about how to grip it

EDITOR'S NOTES It finally came out, huh? lol A while ago, the list 1.0 of the best mice on AliExpress was posted here on Sub, which was focused on Low Budget and more cost-benefit than performance. In this list we focused on prioritizing mice that are also cost-effective but with High End quality (that's why you'll miss some models like the Attack Shark X6, X11, AJAZZ models and others). Remembering that this tier list is based on personal experiences, leave your comment respectfully if you disagree and leave your Up if you like the work! Without further ado, let's go :D WRITTEN TIER LIST - S+: Scyrox V8, Scyrox V6, Zaopin ZPW Max, ATK F1 Extreme, ATK X1 Ultimate - S: Attack Shark R3, VXE MAD R, Attack Shark R5, Delux M900 Ultralight 8K Set, ATK Z1, MCHOSE A7 Ultra, ATK A9 Ultra - A: VGN F1 Pro, VXE R1 Pro Max, Zaopin Z2 Mini Max, Zaopin Z1 - B: Fantech Aria II, IYX Amber, Incott G23 Pro, Helios II Pro - C: Rapoo VT3 Pro Max, Rapoo VT1 Pro, MCHOSE A5, Delux M800 4k ABOUT THE TOP OF THE LIST - Scyrox V8 and V6: These two mice manage to deliver ultra-light weight, excellent construction, marked scroll, great finish, the best sensor on the market and still have an affordable price. (Same shape: Pulsar X2H) - Zaopin ZPW Max: A new launch on the market with an ergonomic shape that fits practically any hand size and grip. Although ergonomic shapes tend to have some flaws in the construction of the main buttons, this mouse managed to achieve the perfect construction.All that said, it has 8K and an excellent sensor at an affordable price, great value for money. (Same shape: Lamzu Thorn) - ATK F1 Extreme: This mouse has been on the market for a while now, but it is extremely consolidated with more of the same, better sensor, 8K and it still has the Ice Feeling coating, characteristic of ATK that helps with sweaty hands. This mouse also weighs 35 grams, making it extremely light. It's worth every penny for the quality of the material and finish, a top-notch mouse. (Same Shape: Razer Viper Mini) - ATK X1 Ultimate: The success of this mouse speaks for itself, it is everything that the ATK F1 is, but ends up being a little heavier and with a different shape for bigger hands. The Ice Feeling is also on this mouse and today it comes in metallic red and metallic purple, which may please some. (Same shape: Razer Viper V3) - IPI FLOAT: In this mouse segment, it is extremely cost-effective. When I say this, I am considering that it is practically a Finalmouse Low Budget, offering great performance but being 4 times cheaper than a Finalmouse. Some negative points would be its Feets and battery if you turn it on, but in terms of performance and overall construction, this mouse is incredible. (Same shape: VAXEE XE-S) A TIER A LITTLE LOWER - Attack Shark R3: This is a magnesium mouse that I can say the same about the IPI FLOAT: in the magnesium segment this mouse is almost 3 times cheaper than the main ones and delivers a great set. The mouse, despite being an Attack Shark, is very well built and finished, offers a great sensor and lightness, making your user experience great. (Same shape: G-wolves HTX) - VXE MAD R: This mouse is excellent, period. One of the ultra-lightweight mice, great coating, good price... so why isn't it S+? Scyrox is simply better in every aspect for a lower price, so it comes in at the S tier very well placed. (Same shape: Zowie S2-DW) - Attack Shark R5: To be quite honest, this mouse is almost a copy of the IPI FLOAT but has better feet and a better sensor, but it doesn't justify its price being almost 50% more than the IPI FLOAT, so it's in this position. (Same shape: VAXEE XE-S) - Delux M900 Ultralight 8k Set: This mouse has an extremely cost-effective set. Great coating, comes with Nano Reciver 8K, a new technology on the market, ergonomic shape that also has a good construction (not as much as the Zaopin ZPW Max) that pleases most hands and a great option for Claw grip, your hand simply rests on the mouse. (Same shape: Zowie EC1) - ATK Z1 Pro Max: This is a mouse that I didn't put in the S+ tier so as not to be too much of a club fan, hahaha. The truth is that the shape of this mouse is extremely comfortable for all hands, a shape that is used by several pro players in a mouse that is twice as expensive, it has excellent quality (after all, it is from ATK) and has a very good sensor and batteries. (Same shape: Pulsar Xlite) - MCHOSE A7 Ultra: the famous GPX shape in a really good construction (different from the GPX's own scroll wheel :p). The mouse is very complete and offers everything a high end mouse needs with excellent quality and shape for a price much lower than the price of a GPX, for example. (Same shape: guess what? Logitech G Pro Superlight 2) - ATK A9 Ultra: Pretty much the same description as the mouse above, it has the same shape as the GPX and is of excellent quality. It is a little more expensive than the MCHOSE, but it is ATK quality, in case you are unsure about exploring new horizons with the MCHOSE. (Same shape: Logitech G Pro Superlight 2) SOME FINAL CONSIDERATIONS Ultimately, all Tier S+ mice and even some mentions of Tier S have excellent quality and power, the difference will be small in relation to price (except for those in a specific segment such as Magnesium and Carbon Fiber), so the ideal is for you to choose the shape that best suits your hand and buy the one you like the most! I'm glad you guys are supporting me in the first tier, if you have any opinions, the comments are always open with a lot of respect! :D Tier list 3.0??

I ended up forgetting about it, it would certainly be above the VXE MAD R, but the price of the MCHOSE L7 is still almost 50% more than the price of the MAD R... Is it worth it? Definitely, but they would be very even, but I'm on team L7!!

Omron optical are quiet but not that fun to click. Huano blue shell pink dots kinda replace the high pitch glass breaking sound of Omron 20m/50m/60m/100m mechanicals with more of a mid-tone range sound, so are sort of quieter. Then switches like “Huano silent” are pretty silent but also kind of meh to click. The quietest Omron optical switch mouse I’ve used is Attack Shark R6, then ones like Mchose L7 with Omron optical are also pretty quiet. Like I said, not a huge fan of how opticals feel, though. Besides that, mice like Zaopin Z1 with it’s Huanos are pretty quiet also, and VXE R1 Pro. If you know how to solder AND do a plunger swap, then Japanese Omrons are more on the quieter side as well.

Thought I would reply after testing like a dozen Chinese mice that Mchose L7 (small version - larger version is louder) probably has the quietest Omron optical clicks. Attack Shark R6 is also similar in noise but worse firmware.

I wanted as small mouse as possible and I found out Mchose L7 the best. Look at eloshapes. It has lowest height and good specs. You don't have to buy Ultra. Pro version is good enough.

if you are looking for a regular wireless mouse look at chinese superlight knockoffs tbh. I switched recently to an MCHOSE L7 ultra. Its amazing. [https://www.mchose.store/collections/mice](https://www.mchose.store/collections/mice) It's kindda dumb that a 60€ mouse works as well as a 150€ one lmfao.

My L7 just arrived and fits like a GLOVE! I have yet to test it out in-game but I already think this might be my endgame...

At the end of the day, it's dependent on your shape preference. For example, the MCHOSE L7 is definitely one of their more popular mice, but I like the A7 more because of it's shape resembles the GPX.

Most mice are going to feel like a downgrade going from a beast x. Maybe try the mchose L7 if you want to try a small rear humped mouse. 

Ordered L7 the other day and its kinda converting. For a decade I've been using different G502 and swapped to a Keychron M5 (I'm a graphic designer, so work mouse) and while it can game, I wouldn't use it for intense shooter use. So bit the bullet and got what people say is a general bang for buck. Overall it feels pretty good on the hand, but I have to learn how to grip it.

Oh sorry, i thought 150 was your budget my bad.  Mchose L7, OP1 8K, ATK F1 ext. If you like bigger mice. Madlions mad g, vxe mad r, eweadn s9/atk x1 For cloth mousepad there are a lot of good options from matrova, infinitymice, meow gaming gear, and esport tiger. Just pick the speed pad option from these companies.

Great, If you want more deeper palm contact go with scyrox. L7 and F1 if you want less palm contact and more of fingers mobility. For OP1 it just the thinness of it that will decide whether you like it or not, and because it's thin the hump should be able to snug into your palm easily

Nah, Logitech and Razer are the only big companies worth buying from really, and even they are overpriced. the Mchose L7 series is insane for small/medium claw grip probably would get that unless I already knew my hand wouldn't fit with it. If you don't like the L7 shape you have options. Mchose, ATK, Lamzu, Hitscan, Scyrox, Endgame Gear are where I would start. If I didn't like those options RAWM, Rapoo, Redragon, Aula, Darmoshark, Delux, Incott, Eweadn, Pulsar, Dareu, WLmouse, Razer, Logitech, etc. are the next layer down, either because they are just more expensive, or have some minor thing that puts them a step down from the brands listed in the first tier.

It's a good option but not the best. Mchose L7 series is better and cheaper.

Mchose L7 is the best bang for buck. But only fits small hands (or medium hands for the pro+ and ultra+ versions but they cost more) VXE R1 is also better for $28.99 (lighter and  better coating) but is still slightly smaller.

Higher polling rate doesn't matter, but the weight will. Getting under 60 grams is something I would consider important. Mchose L7 series might be around that budget  Or the VXE R1.

VXE R1 is the budget option. It's internals aren't as good as the Razer options you mentioned, but but it's basically half the price ($28 vs $51) and basically half the weight(48 grams vs 70-88 grams depending on battery), so you will perform better using it and save money. Plus, it doesn't have any issues with the scroll wheel like the viper v3 did. The Mchose L7 steps you up to $33 but does start to give you better than Razer internals. And the L7 ultra is just straight up better than the Razer options for a similar price. SE+ version is better battery I think, but also not sure they stock the regular SE. Still I would say get the base R1 if you can.

Going to say Mchose L7 series. Best performance per dollar mouse, and one of the best mice out there. And with two different size options they should fit most hands.

Mchose L7 series is just the best mice for the price on the market. With Black Friday all of them are right about your price range (the most expensive is $52 with shipping and tax)

For small/medium hands: Mchose L7 series (L7 for small L7+ for medium) For larger hands you have more options, Mchose A7/K7, ATK A9/X1 are recs, but other good options exist. Aula V9 looks good on paper too but has no reviews so...

Mchose L7 is great for small and medium hands. VXE R1 is a slightly more budget option for medium hands  Mchose A7 or ATK A9 are good for larger hands  Mchose A7 RE or Rapoo VT3 Max for a more ergo shape.

Mchose L7 is the equivalent of the Scyrox. And I would chose the Mchose for sure. K7 vs L7 depends on what shape you want.

Mchose L7 is so good and so cheap I wonder what the point of other mice existing are. Unless you are on an extremely tight budget and just have to get whatever garbage mouse works or have big hands it's the way to go.

I like Mchose. Especially the L7 for small and medium hands. If you have larger hands they are still a good option, but I think others are competitive.

Pretty happy with the Mchose L7 for about a month now.. got the Ultra for the blue color but the Pro should fit your budget

Idk my hands are pretty big 19.5 x 10.5 but i really do not understand the hype behind the shapes of the l7 and mad R for example. I main the vxe r1 and its very comfortable, the mchose l7 just feels short and awkwardly wide, like the proportions dont make sense at all , i cant find a single comfortable grip, be that claw or ftip. And no i dont have alien hands. I understand we are all diffrent with diffrent preferences but i dont really understand this one. Same goes for the mad r that i find significantly more uncomfortable than the r1 , but people keep calling it an upgrade.

your grip is 1-3-1 claw (relaxed). i use the same grip with handsize 19.5x9.5cm - i love my mchose L7. 50$ for the best quality mouse ive ever tried in my 33years. they have different shapes to chose from but most are slightly heavier. additional buttons are usually not considered worth it since they increase the weight.

i have made really bad experiences with corsair products quality overall. can not recommend. overpriced and not even good (good as long as it lasts but doesnt last long enough). you could get a flawless mchose L7 with 39g, 8khz polling and optical switches for 50 bucks nowadays btw.

This is exactly what I'm going through right now. Ultimately I'd like to find a mouse with a shape thats an evolution of the g305. I've been looking at elo shapes to find a similar mouse but they don't really provide the curves of the mouse just the overall silhouette and size. Some of the mouse I've tried are the Razer Orochi v2, fantech aria, Razer viper, mchose l7, pulsar x2h, zaopin z1. So far I've liked the fantech aria shape the most out of all the mice I've tried but there hasn't been anything quite like the g305 shape other than ofcourse it's clone mice.

I have the Mchose L7 and I like it a lot. Excellent mouse, and even better when price is considered.

MCHOSE L7 Pro version with 3395 is lighter than the Ultra version with 3950 cause they used a smaller battery... go figure

The L7 is really good. Almost too good for its price. Have the ultra, no issues.

I went from OP1 to Mchose L7, been enjoying it a lot.

i love my l7

Lot of closely similar options but really depends on what kind of hump you like or the placement of it… I’ve been down the rabbit hole and ended up with an X2V2 MINI, there’s a cheaper alternative with an identical shape the MCHOSE L7, good build $50 cheaper and good build. Other options are… XM2WE, OPM1, Lamzu Maya… Eloshapes.com helps compare shapes so you can see what you think you may like. I find the XM2WE a bit too wide for my hands yet I still found it very comfortable to hold and use, just wanted something more fine tuned to me. OPM1 I found was too thin on the sides for me, opposite of XM2. Both have incredible build quality and click feel. Maya I found the hump was too far forward for me and also too high. The MCHOSE and X2V2 mini was very low profile, light, and perfect width for me personally. I ended up liking these two the most and went as far to get a pulsar custom variant. Hope this helps! And good luck

I have the Mchose L7 which is a clone of that X2 Mini Crazylight. You'll like the shape for your grip style. It's a small mouse, but has flat sides and is wide enough to not feel crampy like some other small mice. Yeah the amount of raw aiming we do in aim trainers is nowhere near what we experience in games. For some, aim training has become their main game, if that isn't the case for you definitely stick with LMB to shoot. I stopped grinding aim trainers a long time ago and just use it as a means to benchmark mice, pads, and skates now. Good luck on your journey!

if you're willing to order from aliexpress, you can get insanely good mice in that price range with the specifications you gave me. Something like a Scyrox V8, VXE Mad R, AULA SC800, Mchose L7, Delux M900 mini pro, the list goes on and on If you want necessarily big brand and want to stay below the 80$ mark, probably a deathadder v3. Only downside is that it's wired but you cant get a good wireless mouse from a big brand (that is brand new, so no 2nd hand market, which I assume you're not interested in) below those 80$. Or, at least, not with comparable performance You can get something from the big brands that is wireless and relatively cheap... However, they use AAA or AA batteries instead of having an internal one that is rechargable. Honestly I wouldnt bother with those, but if big brand is compulsory and so is wireless, have a look at them. Something like a Razer Deathadder V2 x Hyperspeed.

Mchose L7 is a clone of the Pulsar X2 MINI but even slightly smaller than that. It's quite a tiny mouse. On the contrary, the logitech g304 despite it's appearance, it's actually quite a filling mouse because of how the egg shape forces your fingers apart and is quite wide in the middle, it would be quite the adjustment for you to get a mouse as small as the mchose L7. I would go for the normal pulsar x2 shape. Some clones of that would be the Mchose L7 Pro/Ultra PLUS(+). From atk/vxe you have the Vxe r1 and the vxe mad r. Atk/vxe mice are only available from aliexpress so shipping times are a lot longer, but personally I prefer their mice to mchose and they're also a lot cheaper. Everyday aliexpress has a deal of if you spend more than $X get $Y off. On top of that there are lots of coupon codes you can apply at checkout if you pay with paypal. I was able to get my Vxe mad r for $28. The vxe r1 is the older version of that and it's dirt cheap even before aliexpress coupons. Downside if using atk/vxe is their bullshit with releasing 10 versions of every mouse... SE, standard, plus, pro, promax, ultra... really annoying. You can find the differences by looking up the mouse on their website and scrolling down until you find their chart. If you decide to go the atk/vxe route and get confused lmee know if you have any questions.

I recommend the mchose l7 or darmoshark m5 (a fingertip only mouse)

X2 crazy light or mchose l7

Yeah one of the best mouse for hybrid grip style

Razer cobra hyperspeed Op18k v2 X2 crazy light / mchose l7 if you want a budget x2 cl option. For mousepad what games do you play what is your preferred glide on a mousepad, speed, balance, control?

Imo no the mouse is bigger for fingertip so I recommend a small mouse or an actual fingertip mouse. For a small mouse - x2 cl, mchose l7, beast x mini. Fingertip mouse - darmoshark m5/air, keychron m4, pulsar x2f.

Specs is the main difference pro max is the high end version it doesn't change the size. I don't recommend the r1 as it's an x2 clone which is a medium size what I would recommend is the mchose l7 this is an x2 mini clone, mchose G3 ultra g305 clone, mchose A5 v3 smaller gpx shape.

Lgg Neptune - https://lethal.gg/products/neptune-pro Steelseries performance speed - Raiden clone Mchose l7 the sides are straight and don't flare like the m2 mini

Op18k and mchose l7

Mchose L7 very nice also

I have it also, my favourite.

I fully agree with that you found from it. I bought the L7, Mad R (X2 clone) and Attackshark R6 (Atlantis Mini Clone) all cause their under 40g. The L7 fits right in the middle. It's not got aggressive curves or but it's not entirely flat. It's a very solid feeling shape and for the price you can get the mouse for even the normal L7 not pro or Ultra is a very very solid price for value.

The quality ok the L7 is exceptional. I wouldn't expect you to run into any major issues with it during use. Op18k is more narrow i have it as well, build quality on it is just as good, it can be fingertiped but is better for claw by far.

Personally it totally changed how I view and buy mice. When I first got into them I had a Superlight then got a HTX, when it died i only looked at "higher end" mice like the X2V2 and Atlantis Mini. I have like 6 mice over 100$ now, but i have over 15 others at less than 50$ a piece. I got the Mchose L7, VXE Mad R and Attackshark R6 all recently and the cost was about 100$ total for all 3 and those mice are on par performance, QC wise, and coating wise. At this point i specialize in this subreddit in knowing cheap and budget mice because so many of them are easily able to compete. At this point why bother buying a more expensive branded mouse. You could get a Viper V3 Pro or you could just get a clone for a fraction the price that will arguably offer the same thing. It's gotten wild how high quality the budget options are when you can now just get the same for cheaper. While customer service is a factor for a lot of the mice the customer service can be hit or miss even. G-Wolves is a very well known example.

These days a lot of the more budget options are using the same encoders, same switches, and have extremely good build quality. We exited the age where only more expensive mice were viable a while back. Even the Beast X Mini you have happened because random Chinese budget companies went "Oh we can do the Viper Mini Signature Edition too" then like 5 companies all made magneisum mice on a budget compared to the 250$ for the VMSE. While a lot of them are SUPER cheap chinese electronics using older outdated parts, stuff like the Mad R, Attack Shark R6, or Mchose L7, all feel just as premium in hand as anything from Pulsar, Razer, EndGameGear or Logitech while being half or less the prices without any major flex or other issues.

If I could throw my hat in there with a few suggestions. ATK A9 is a solid competitor but more accurate to the Superlight than thechose A7. Mchose L7 and L7+ are incredibly solid for the price. Both Scyrox mice are extremely solid being a Sora V2 and a HTS+ clone. Lethal LA-1 is an incredibly solid original shape who's price kept lowering due to a small flex issue and to compete with other cheap mice, it's an incredible mouse for the price. VGY Y2 is a NP-01s clone and is super solid build quality and lighter weight for a fraction the price of the original

I've found the Mchose L7 and ATK A9 are both fantastic. Putting the A9 against an actual superlight 2 and genuinely I can't tell the difference in performance or feel. The L7 has some of the best internals on market according to many reviews, their implementation is simply superb and the quality on them is on par with Razer's own offerings.

Viper V3 Pro White is simply fantastic. The Mchose L7 and L7+ both feel great in hand, the ATK A9 Ice Feel is actually extremely nice on all their mice i've tried but overall the Pathfinder actually has my favorite coating of any mouse i've used. I was in the habit of trying mousepads, however that was a much faster journey. I tried the Steelseries QCK, Hyper X Fury Speed, Hyper X Fury, Artisan Hein XL X-Soft, SP-004, and XrayPad Aqua Control + Heat Treated. I personally realized quickly i use a fairly high mouse sense (at the fastest 35cm to do a 360, at the lowest 50cm) so i wanted faster overall pads and skates, so i stick to the SP-004 and use Jade Skates. I specifically would like to see a mouse with a left side harsh curve like the U2, with flat sides like the OP1/TenZ/L7. I personally really like a heavy thumb curve but i don't actually do much with my ride side fingers, at times only even keeping my ring finger actually on the mouse at all. I've actually currently got my Pathfinder setup like this and it feels really quite nice in the hand.

To add to this now the Mchose L7 is a X2V2 Mini clone at sub 40g, the Attackshark R6 is a Clone of the Sora V2 for 50$, and VXE Mad R is the R1 nut weighs way less. Brands like VXE and ATK and Scyrox have come up and are way way cheaper now for their build quality

I have a more updated list here: * Incott Ghero Pro: Solid Mouse that feels like a GPX Ergo (or NP-01 Clone) and is extremely solidly build while staying price wise at 50$ * VGN Dragonfly F1: Solid orignial shape with a larger rear hump on the end that curves more inwards before coming out at the front, very safe shape at 46$ * ATK Blazing Sky F1: Shaped akin to a Sora V2 it's got a much larger rear hump with substantial curves as it comes into the front while going thinner towards it with lowered clicks. Is 38g and has a 3950 sensor but is usually a full 70$ * Darmoshark M3S: Solid Viper styled shape with those same bell curves, usually around 40$ * Zaopin Z2: Solid ergo light with a much smaller ergo feel yet still has a nice rounded bump and curve to it for the ergo feel at 50$ * Endgame Gear OP1 Wired: This is what a lot of mice are based on as EGG has some of the better mice on market in terms of quality and built and software. It's one of the best mice you can buy. It is wired but if you don't care about 4k or 8k it's perfectly fine at 45$ * VXE R1: Nearly identical to the Pulsar X2V2 it's got a super solid feel and the pro model has a better coating and overall well implemented sensor. Considered the king of the budgets it's 50$ for the Pro and as low as 20$ for not pro. * VXE Mad R: Identical to the mouse above in shape its another X2V2 clone perfect at 38g great for all grip styles, the Major verision has a 3950 sensor and is 45$ for normal, 63$ for Major, if you can grab this over the normal R1. * Incott HPC02M: is a X2 clone with supersolid build quality and the ability to swap the switches with ease. 55$ * PureTrak Valor: Clone of the GPX but with 3395 and USB-C that usually sells for sub 50$ * Incott G23: GPX clone with hotswappable switches at 50$ * Phlyina S450: HTS+ Clone with solid build quality and a really good mouse. They are working on a 38g version and have a 4k version around 40-50$ * Scyrox V8: Sora V2 clone at 38g with a 3950 built for claw, can be found for 70$ * Attack Shark R6: Another Sora V2 Clone with a 3950 built for claw, can be found for 50$. * ATK Blazing Sky X1: Viper V3 clone with 3950 and solid build quality right at the 70$ price range. * Incott G24: Zowie EC2 Clone that's hotswap and solid weight can be found for 70$ * Mchose L7: 38g with a shape somewhere between the Lamzu Atlantis and X2V2. It has flatter sides but still a larger rear curve to lock in slightly better than something like the Mad R while still feeling very premium. Basic model has 3395 for 45$ and pro is closer to 60$ for 3950. * Lethal LA-1: Basically a larger OP1. Same kind of curves but a larger overall feel, due to having some very small issues with the batch and to compete with budget mice it can now be found for 30$. * Razer Viper V3 Hyperspeed: While a bit heavier than most at 83g and using a AA battery, It still boasts a solid sensor and performance with a shape that people adore for 70$ * Scyrox V8 and V6: solid Sora clone and HTS+ clone both at around 40g with full 8k and solid internals. Very good overall and some of the best budget out there. 70$

We have the same hand size and roughly same grip. While that is how your hand rests do you end up swapping to palm as you play? If so then you grip like me and I have about 5 mice i could reccomend that I personally use a ton. OP18K: Larger rear hump that thins out towards the front with flat sides for easily adjusting grips or getting solid finger placements. Lethal LA-1: Same shape as OP1 but a little larger with slightly easier curves and comfort grooves on the clicks. Gives a solid locked in feeling and is only like 30$ which is a really good price. Mchose L7: For the price this mouse is insane. Fairly small but has just the fight curves on the side to lock you in but not quite force a grip like a Lamzu Atlantis or Scyrox V8 would. Glorious Model D 2 Pro: EC2 Clone thats a very comfy ergo. It has spinout issues and I dont reccomend glorious but its solid for me. Razer Viper V3 Pro: Solid hourglass like shape that's got a very good middle hump to really lock you in with however you want to grip it. Pulsar TenZ: Nice rear hump and higher clicks let's me get a full feeling palm with a light claw hybrid which feels fantastic to me. Scyrox V6: Solid hourglass but smaller and harsher curves with a splid middle hump to allow fantastic grip and really lock you in, probably one of the best mice i own. Pathfinder: Allows innumerable styles and grips to be tried and used, Great for any grip style ever or dialing in one you like off its changeable sides and rear hump.

Oh man I had a bad G-Wolves mouse that sent me spiraling into gaming mice lmao I for sure get that. Based on everything you listed I think you should check out the Mchose L7 for sure. The original L7 is like an in-between of a X2 Mini (same shape as the Crazy light) and the Scyrox V8 (Sora V2) it's like a smaller overall mouse but has some really solid curves towards the front off the rear hump that gave you a really nice locked in feeling. The L7+ is a Sora V1 clone but honestly feels like the TenZ without a big ass rear hump to me. What are you rocking in the Pathfinder BTW? I'mixing between the LXM-110, the LAH-222 and currently doing LAM-110 build. I think what I need is something like an NP-01s honestly (which uh...is in the mail with an EC3 right now for me lmao) but VGN just dropped the Y2 so if I like the shape I may get that since its a super solid company.

No the L7 is actually a totally original shape. https://imgur.com/a/WbpN2vO Here's some quick shots, it's kinda got the same hump at the rear, but the L7 stays a bit thicker towards the front, it also has harsher curves from the top going in towards the bottom so you can get a really solid grip on it. Configs for the orbital are in the top of the shapes box. Left Side, Right Side, Rear Side, then spacers. So if you use Average, Claw, High, 1 spacer, 2 spacers, 3 spacers then it'll be ACH-123 for example. There's a lot to try for sure. I'm excited to see the newer shape packs and I'm trying to get my 3D printer to work to start printing shapes, a dude in the server for it made like a U2, G502 and like a dozen other shapes, dudes a legend. Id try checking around resellers, I've been in the Optimum ZeroMouse server a lot and there's a whole TON of people in the AUS that do aim training and get tons of mice I've met in there, might be worth checking it out

20x10 and I can fingertip Beast X (Mini also), Mchose L7, Hyperlight, ULX M/S, X2/Mini etc. as long as the mouse is small enough in height and length and light weight there’s plenty of options outside of the pure fingertip designed mice like the Keychron M4 etc. People with smaller hands have less options than you for fingertip options.

So I know they are not the same however just keep in mind. The duckbill or mchose l7 are also claw shapes just like the egg and tenz mice. L7 has flatter sides like the op1 it's just wider, especially the grip width. If that doesn't sound appealing maybe give the duckbill a shot first. Just my two cents.

Sadly, most mice only have 2 side buttons. I wish the standard was 3 or 4 tbh. Only one I can think of with more buttons is the Razer Naga V2 pro. It has replaceable sides with either 2, 6 or 12 buttons. It's not very small and pretty heavy though. If you can live with 2 side buttons, the g-wolves fenrir max is probably one of the smallest gaming mice on the market. For a more conventional size, but still quite small, I can recommend the Mchose L7 series. Probably the best bang for buck on the market.

Yea, as others have suggested Mchose L7 is also good (albeit a bit smaller). If you're a palm gripper you can go for something like ATK Z1, if you're a ftip/claw ipi float maybe? strictly ftip idk darmoshark m5/gwolves hsk + lite

L7 is a good suggestion. Great mouse.

You can find them for around $50 off mousemarket. It’s a solid mouse but the QC with clicks can be bad. But it’s a proven shape so you dont need to wait. The Mchose L7 is really good and also cheaper.

The ultra+ is not the same shape. + had more curvature on the sides and they are sloped. Personally I prefer the straight sides of the l7 or mad r far more as a fingertip user. I keep accidentally lifting the mouse when using the l7+

I think you will be happy with r1. wireless I think is better when I comes to mice. The latency for wireless gaming mice now is not noticeable at all. I got the mchose L7 (exact shape as r1 just a little smaller) not to long ago and I like it way better than my superlight 2. L7+ is the exact same shape as the r1 and might cheaper for you.

Mchose L7. Probably many of their other mice have the option as well. Has both the dongle and Bluetooth, just a switch on the bottom to toggle modes. Not really similar shape to GPX Superlight but I think Mchose probably has a Superlight clone as well.

I have the mchose L7 and attack shark r5, both are great. Zero problems with either of those in my experience.