MCHOSE - L7

i have the mechanical version and i dont really like the clicks. They feel similar to kailhs

This is my video review of the MCHOSE L7 Pro and Ultra. For those not interested in watching the video form, here is a text form of my review: **Intro**: The MCHOSE L7 Pro and Ultra are shapes similar to (but slightly smaller than) the Pulsar X2 Mini or X2 Crazylight. They feature Omron Optical switches, 3395 and 3950 sensors, and a 5g weight discrepancy (40g and 45g total, respectively) that I'll get into later. For just $55 and $65 respectively, I decided to give them a shot after being impressed with the quality on the A7 Ultra. **Build**: Full plastic build with no holes, no creaks, and no button wobble. Very impressive, and you can feel the trigger mechanisms having walls to prevent button wobble, so I see no reason that the click stability will deteriorate over time. The coating is impressive as well, providing a sticky rubbery coating that feels as good if not better than my DAv3 Pro Faker Edition and GPX2. The base is plastic and solid. It features the DPI button and the connectivity switch (2.4ghz, off, BT from top to bottom). MCHOSE mice feature BT connectivity if you need it. I'd assume the use case is for students that want to game with and carry one mouse, though that's a little excessive for me. I wonder if it contributes to the weight, however. The skates feature lips which I really hate (similarly on the GPX2, Pulsar mice), however, the lip is shorter here than those mentioned, and it doesn't scratch an Artisan mid or a Steelseries Speed. The weight comes in at exactly 40g and 45g for the Pro and Ultra with dot skates. You will likely be up a gram with full size skates. **Buttons**: The buttons feel great, and I did open both to confirm that they are indeed Omron Opticals due to issues with recent budget mice advertising, but ultimately skimping on, the Omron Optical switches. These are similar to a Maya X, but I get more tactile feedback here. Compared to the GPX2 there is less feedback, but the clicks are much less stiff, which people didn't enjoy on the GPX2. This will be much more comfortable to spam over time, which I appreciate. Side buttons are a bit heavy, but don't have any obvious pre or post travel to make them a pain to use. The only nitpick is that the button shapes themselves are a bit small and overly rounded, but I understand the need to make them small on a small mouse. The scroll wheel is a TTC Gold dustproof, a staple in the modding community and one I've modded in my DAv3 Pro as well. No issues with the durability on this wheel and glad they used it here. The only nitpick is that it may be too loud for some, as the meta for scroll wheels these days is to be light and quiet. I prefer the TTC Gold if it means more durability. The middle click feels great too, I believe it is not a cheaper dot switch that others tend to use. **Skates**: Black dye PTFE is the choice here, which I'm a bit confused by but they aren't the worst skates. I used to rock stock skates all the time, but I prefer dots now. You get passable stock skates here. Fortunately it is a great base to work with for dots/donuts/whatever you may choose. **Software**: I'm really happy to hear that MCHOSE had a beta webdriver in the works. In my A7 review, I used the software. Now that the webdriver is out, it works with the L7 and is backwards compatible with many of MCHOSE's previous offerings (A7, M7, L7, G7, certain G3/A5 variants, and their upcoming K7). Shout out to MCHOSE for bringing this meaningful QOL update to their previous offerings instead of restricting compatibility with their newest releases. The only bad part is that you still have to download firmware updates as files to your PC, but I don't mind. **Extras/Unboxing**: Just a set of decent looking grips that I didn't use come in the box besides the standards (mouse, cable, dongle). I would have prefered an extra set of white/clear PTFE skates considering the stock ones are black dye PTFE. On the plus side, however, they include a dongle that is compatible with high polling rates, which is incredible value for a mouse starting at $55. **In-Hand Performance**: I really enjoy this shape, even with larger hands (~21x11). This gives you that good low button height, with just enough of a back hump to give you stability when you need it. I'm trying to ditch ergo mice that just give you a bunch of stability but much less finger/wrist dexterity, so understand that I enjoy the shape while definitely not in my comfort zone. The low button height helps a ton with finger dexterity in precise tracking motions (recoil control, distant targets, PGT, Snake Track) as opposed to chunkier mice I had been using like the GPX2 and DAv3. The low weight helps a lot with fatigue in reactive motions. The physics of a direction change involve the weight. As such, a low 40g weight takes a lot of strain off of your arm over time (close range strafes, flicks, Ground/Aether). For reference, these were my experiences using this mouse to get masters in the tracking section of Voltaic S5 benchmarks. I feel like there isn't much more to go into here. It's a essentially a cloned shape, and a common shape design language at this point. **Tested Performance**: Go check the [techpowerup review](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/mchose-l7-pro/) by u/pzogel for the raw numbers, but basically, the firmware performs insanely well. The click latency is 0.2ms in wireless mode (approaching the 0.1ms mark set by EGG wired 8k mice) and provides that result in any polling setting, so don't feel like you have to use higher polling rates for that great click latency. As for the sensor performance, cross referencing the [techpowerup OP1 8k review](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/endgame-gear-op1-8k/5.html), the OP1 8k is 1.2ms ahead of the control (G403), whereas the L7 Pro is at 0.9ms ahead of the control (both set to 4k, L7 Pro at wireless). So obviously great performance, but this is only the Pro with the 3395, which gets me to my next point: my confusions with the Ultra. **Pro vs. Ultra?**: I prefer the Pro if you haven't noticed me referencing the 40g weight and the techpowerup review for the Pro throughout the review (although there isn't an Ultra review as of this review). The Pro features the 3395 and a 250mAh battery while the Ultra features the 3950 and a 500mAh battery, causing a weight discrepancy between them of 5g (40g, 45g, respectively). I feel like for true "Ultra" performance, there should be a 3950 variant with the 250mAh battery, weighing in at 40g. Even if you argue that the average consumer doesn't care about the 5g weight reduction, then my counter argument is that they also don't care about having a 3950 vs. the already incredibly performing 3395 present in the Pro. In that case, the casual consumer should be more likely to enjoy a 3395 variant with a 500mAh battery at slightly cheaper than the Ultra's current $65 price tag. This would make way for an Ultra variant with the 3950 and the 250mAh battery. This becomes even more apparent when looking at MCHOSE's full size offerings (A7 and M7). The A7 and M7 don't massively undercut the weight of the GPX2 and Zowie U2, but they could! The Pro/Ultra M7 uses a 500mAh battery for a 58g weight, the standard M7 uses a 300mAh battery for a 53g weight, and the Zowie U2 is listed at 60g. Isn't a hypothetical M7 Ultra with the 3950 and 300mAh battery at 53g a much more enticing full-size clone than what they currently produce? The Lamzu Maya X is gaining popularity among full size users, and that weights 47g. Another counter argument would be battery life, but I have had great battery life on the L7 Pro, switching from 1khz in most games and 4khz for aimtrainers and compatible games. This lasts me about 1-2 weeks, but admittedly, the Ultra didn't give me a low battery indicator in 2 weeks of testing. This gets even more confusing when you consider the upcoming K7 from MCHOSE, which features a 500mAh battery and a charging dock. If you've used a Zowie wireless mouse before, you have absolutely no clue how long the battery lasts because the charging dock is so convenient and it keeps your mouse juiced all the time. Why not use the charging dock to pursue a lighter/smaller battery, considering the 250mAh gives adequate battery life already? **Final Thoughts/TL;DR**: This is the best budget mouse I've tried. The coating is good, the weight is good, the base is good for my dot skates, the Omron Opticals feel great, the wheel is dustproof, and the webdriver covers all the bases. It's insane to think that this is available for $55 and I definitely see it putting pressure on other brands. If you slapped a Lamzu/Scyrox/Pulsar logo on this and charged $100-120, no one would notice. I could see this becoming popular for 3D printed mod kit internals in the future considering the low price, small internals, and insane performance. The best competition for this is probably the Pulsar X2 Crazylight, which gives you the benefit of a 3950 and a lower 35g weight. Unfortunately, I don't think those benefits outweigh the price discrepancy ($120 vs. $55). I concede that I haven't tried that mouse, but I'm not particularly excited to do so considering the price differential, the inconsistency of click feel between Pulsar mice, and Pulsar QC. I'd like to hear from you if you have tried the X2 Crazylight and the L7 Pro.

Idk my hands are pretty big 19.5 x 10.5 but i really do not understand the hype behind the shapes of the l7 and mad R for example. I main the vxe r1 and its very comfortable, the mchose l7 just feels short and awkwardly wide, like the proportions dont make sense at all , i cant find a single comfortable grip, be that claw or ftip. And no i dont have alien hands. I understand we are all diffrent with diffrent preferences but i dont really understand this one. Same goes for the mad r that i find significantly more uncomfortable than the r1 , but people keep calling it an upgrade.

Lot of closely similar options but really depends on what kind of hump you like or the placement of it… I’ve been down the rabbit hole and ended up with an X2V2 MINI, there’s a cheaper alternative with an identical shape the MCHOSE L7, good build $50 cheaper and good build. Other options are… XM2WE, OPM1, Lamzu Maya… Eloshapes.com helps compare shapes so you can see what you think you may like. I find the XM2WE a bit too wide for my hands yet I still found it very comfortable to hold and use, just wanted something more fine tuned to me. OPM1 I found was too thin on the sides for me, opposite of XM2. Both have incredible build quality and click feel. Maya I found the hump was too far forward for me and also too high. The MCHOSE and X2V2 mini was very low profile, light, and perfect width for me personally. I ended up liking these two the most and went as far to get a pulsar custom variant. Hope this helps! And good luck

Mchose L7 very nice also

I have it also, my favourite.

I fully agree with that you found from it. I bought the L7, Mad R (X2 clone) and Attackshark R6 (Atlantis Mini Clone) all cause their under 40g. The L7 fits right in the middle. It's not got aggressive curves or but it's not entirely flat. It's a very solid feeling shape and for the price you can get the mouse for even the normal L7 not pro or Ultra is a very very solid price for value.

The quality ok the L7 is exceptional. I wouldn't expect you to run into any major issues with it during use. Op18k is more narrow i have it as well, build quality on it is just as good, it can be fingertiped but is better for claw by far.

Personally it totally changed how I view and buy mice. When I first got into them I had a Superlight then got a HTX, when it died i only looked at "higher end" mice like the X2V2 and Atlantis Mini. I have like 6 mice over 100$ now, but i have over 15 others at less than 50$ a piece. I got the Mchose L7, VXE Mad R and Attackshark R6 all recently and the cost was about 100$ total for all 3 and those mice are on par performance, QC wise, and coating wise. At this point i specialize in this subreddit in knowing cheap and budget mice because so many of them are easily able to compete. At this point why bother buying a more expensive branded mouse. You could get a Viper V3 Pro or you could just get a clone for a fraction the price that will arguably offer the same thing. It's gotten wild how high quality the budget options are when you can now just get the same for cheaper. While customer service is a factor for a lot of the mice the customer service can be hit or miss even. G-Wolves is a very well known example.

These days a lot of the more budget options are using the same encoders, same switches, and have extremely good build quality. We exited the age where only more expensive mice were viable a while back. Even the Beast X Mini you have happened because random Chinese budget companies went "Oh we can do the Viper Mini Signature Edition too" then like 5 companies all made magneisum mice on a budget compared to the 250$ for the VMSE. While a lot of them are SUPER cheap chinese electronics using older outdated parts, stuff like the Mad R, Attack Shark R6, or Mchose L7, all feel just as premium in hand as anything from Pulsar, Razer, EndGameGear or Logitech while being half or less the prices without any major flex or other issues.