L7 Pro+

Mchose L7 or L7+ depending on hand size. Best shape and quality I've used on a budget mouse.

As another xm2 user, I’d recommend it as well, with the caveat that the sides are curved aggressively. If you’re into kind of letting the shape tell you how to hold it, grab it. But I think back hump heavy mice are good for grips like this because they allow for some finger dexterity (hybrid grips that are in between fingertip and claw) If the curves of the xm2 make you nervous, the Mchose L7+ looks like a similar shape with straighter sides I’ve been meaning to try. I will say it was worth trying and learning the xm2 for me and I love the mouse.

Razer viper is one of the best mice ever made imo. I recently picked up an Mchose L7 Pro+ and i think it's my favorite mouse ever, might be worth looking into if you wanted to switch it up.

Been using the Mchose L7 Pro+ with this grip and it's great

[Mchose L7 Pro+](https://www.amazon.com/MCHOSE-L7-Pro-Ultra-Lightweight-Programmable/dp/B0FLXPD43K?th=1). I specifically recommend the Pro because the 3950 sensor supposedly has some weird tracking/floaty feeling issues. Don't know the details regarding the sensor issues but i have the Pro+ and its an excellent mouse and avoids any issues caused by that.

If you want something close to Crazylight medium, Mchose L7 Pro+ is very close in shape and around $60 on amazon in the us (with coupon) [https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=pulsar-x2-crazylight-medium-vs.-mchose-l7-pro-plus](https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=pulsar-x2-crazylight-medium-vs.-mchose-l7-pro-plus) If you want something smaller then the L7 Pro (non + ) is same shape but smaller If you want a different shape but under $60, knowing your hand size and grip type would help How to measure your hand and basic grip styles [https://imgur.com/a/SHN1iut](https://imgur.com/a/SHN1iut)

Skyrox > R1 pro > L7 Pro Plus as my preference of choice for shape but for performance Skyrox = R1 pro = L7 Pro Plus for performance and R1 pro > L7 Pro Plus > Skyrox for budget

For small/medium hands: Mchose L7 series (L7 for small L7+ for medium) For larger hands you have more options, Mchose A7/K7, ATK A9/X1 are recs, but other good options exist. Aula V9 looks good on paper too but has no reviews so...

Don't get the Glorious. Then Mchose L7 vs A7 is a hand size thing. A7 is quite large, the L7 pro+ is a more medium size, and the base L7 pro is small.

The A9 and A7 are larger, not really comparable to the R1 pro. IMO the R1 pro generally isn't worth it. The base R1 is still good price performance. But you can step up to a VXE Mad R or Mchose L7 pro+ for about the price of an R1 pro and get a notably better mouse of about the same size

Yeah, L7 series is top tier as far as mice go, you can't get better performance no matter how much you pay.

That is for the pro and ultra, not the pro+ and ultra+ Only difference for the pro+ and ultra+ is sensor, which objective performance wise is basically not worth anything unless you use it on glass often.

You can get an Mchose L7 pro or pro+, they usually aren't that much more expensive, and will probably last longer because they use optical switches, or look for a sale. I know where I am right now the Ultra+ is about the same price as the base L7 when shipping is considered. Redragon options might be available just make sure it has a paw 3395 and you are good.

Mchose L7 pro+ (or ultra+ if it's still on sale) LGG LA-1 is also pretty good if you are on a tight budget and some redragon stuff is cheap on Amazon right now (but finding sizes for these things is a pain) pretty sure anything with pro is good (M815 pro, M816 pro, M917 pro, M916 pro, M918 pro, M995 pro, etc)

If it fits your hand size get the Mchose L7 pro+ If it doesn't, Rapoo VT3 pro max, Deathadder v3, Pulsar xlite, Darmoshark M3XS, Mchose A5, Keychron M3, Rapoo VT9pro, Inphic in10p, etc all look like decent options.  

Mchose L7+ series is similar in size to the VXE R1, though a little more setup for claw it can be palmed.  The Mchose A5 is maybe a little better for a palm grip if you want to give it a try.

dozens to maybe hundreds of good mice at that price or lower. Here's my recs: Small hands: Mchose L7 series (about $50) Medium Hands: Mchose L7+ series (about $50) Large Hands: RAWM leviathan v4 (I think it's $82 with discounts), Mchose A7 series (about $50), ATK A9 air ($64 with discount).

Nah, Logitech and Razer are the only big companies worth buying from really, and even they are overpriced. the Mchose L7 series is insane for small/medium claw grip probably would get that unless I already knew my hand wouldn't fit with it. If you don't like the L7 shape you have options. Mchose, ATK, Lamzu, Hitscan, Scyrox, Endgame Gear are where I would start. If I didn't like those options RAWM, Rapoo, Redragon, Aula, Darmoshark, Delux, Incott, Eweadn, Pulsar, Dareu, WLmouse, Razer, Logitech, etc. are the next layer down, either because they are just more expensive, or have some minor thing that puts them a step down from the brands listed in the first tier.

It's a good option but not the best. Mchose L7 series is better and cheaper.

Going to say Mchose L7 series. Best performance per dollar mouse, and one of the best mice out there. And with two different size options they should fit most hands.

Mchose L7 series is just the best mice for the price on the market. With Black Friday all of them are right about your price range (the most expensive is $52 with shipping and tax)

VXE R1 is still good. But if you want a coating, might as well get the VXE MAD R or Mchose L7 series. Similar price as the VXE R1 pro (which is the one with a coating), but with notable upgrades, including optical switches.

If he has small or medium hands I pretty much wouldn't consider anything outside the Mchose L7 series. Large hands is tougher. Mchose A7X and K7 are good options under $100. (The A7X is pushing it though) But ATK has a pretty decent sale right now, and the A9 air is a great deal. And the RAWM Leviathan v4 is also an amazing mouse, though on the pricier side.

I think the Mchose L7 series is just the no brainer option at that hand size. But if you want a similar shape to what you have the pulsar xlite v4 mini isn't bad.

If you want a more office mouse, the Keychron M5 is a vertical mouse with modern specs if you want a gaming mouse: Mchose L7 series for small and medium hands is basically the best option outside of really good sales (Rapoo Vt1 pro max is super cheap right now and is a great choice for Medium hands if you are on a budget) Large hands don't have a specific best option, but here's a few good options: Mchose M7, K7, A7, A7X ATK A9, X1, Z1 RAWM Leviathan v4 Rapoo VT2 gen 2, VT7 gen 2, VT3 gen 2,

dozens to maybe hundreds of good mice at that price or lower. Here's my recs: Small hands: Mchose L7 series (about $50) Medium Hands: Mchose L7+ series (about $50) Large Hands: RAWM leviathan v4 (I think it's $82 with discounts), Mchose A7 series (about $50), ATK A9 air ($64 with discount).

I would reccomended also mchose l7+ any of the + ones are great performance wise and they're medium size.

Can you get an mchose l7 from Aliexpress? It's a great mouse and specifically for claw shape. If that's too small the mchose l7+ would be perfect. I have 18x9 hands and love the mchose l7 ultra+

Depends on the games you play and how much you want to spend, but you can have a very nice budget combo for $100 roughly. If you play fps games I would get a good clone lightweight mouse, something like the mchose l7/l7+ or the vxe mad r / major, if you want something bigger (big hands) mchose a7 is basically identical to l7 but bigger and heavier, or atk x1 is a deathadder clone. If you specifically need many mouse buttons redragon make good mmo mice for a low price like the m901pks/m913 for the wireless ones or m908 for the wired one. Keyboards, well there are simply so many cheap ones and they're almost all identical for sub 50 dollars, it heavily depends on personal preference of switch type and keyboard size but if the budget isn't strict I love my keychron k2 he.