MCHOSE - L7 Ultra

what's your hand size & grip style? Since you already referenced a couple ambis: MChose L7 Ultra, Zaopin Z1 Pro Max..pick whichever shape suits you..but the internals will be better than the ones mentioned & cheaper

Yep, exactly what I meant. i think you'd probably be happy with either one, and they'd be suitable for your hands which are on the smaller end. Zaopin is an egg shape that I think gives a nice locked in feel, and the L7 is a more common shape. The l7 is a few g lighter, and there is a variant that is closer to the crazylight in weight if that's important to you in any way (39g vs 36), usually more of a concern of someone with a fingertip or claw style i would think

I own a bunch of new mice and the quietest are the Mchose L7 w/ opticals (small version - larger one is louder), the Attack Shark R5 Ultra, and Attack Shark R6. There’s a lot of caveats here, though. You can get bad luck of the draw on the Omron opticals and have them be a lot stiffer and louder. If you get good luck of the draw then the small L7 is about as quiet as it gets. I own one that’s practically silent and another that’s a good bit louder. Then if you click on the back 1/3rd of the button, most Omron opticals are also stiffer and louder. Virtually nobody will actually click there on the small L7, though. Next you have the issue that Attack Shark firmwares are mediocre. Otherwise the Omron 100m mechanical switches in R5 Ultra that are typically somewhat loud are mysteriously very quiet in that mouse. I attribute it to open air shell so no reverb and very stiff shell so no reverb from that either. Heard the WlMouse Beast are light and quiet but don’t own one as well. I doubt they’re as quiet as a good bin of an L7. \-r0ach

MCHOSE L7 Ultra+, I have the same hand size and play relaxed claw with it.

Hand size - 20cmx10,5cm Currently my main is the ***Mchose L7 Ultra+*** Fits perfectly for agressive or more relaxed claw grip, real solid choice. Also got two others one that i have it before the L7 arrival: **Scyrox V8** Man i love that mice. I use less now but it feels soo good, even with a large hand for it's size that big hump makes out for itself. I only need to curl my pinky to avoid been ran over while flicking while playing tactical or fast paced FPS games, despite that feels great. **Mchose M7 Ultra** This Zowie U2 *inspired* mice is absolutely comfortable for a relaxed claw. I use for MMORPGs and casual stuff, that shallow flare in the thumb side really makes the grip natural. Looking forward to try a more humped and larger mice like Zowie ZA13 or Lamzu Inca, too bad Zowie ZA13 is very expensive here and makes me turn away from buying it.

What did you feel was missing from the finalmouse ultralight 2. Compared to the finalmouse, the MCHOSE L7 Ultra's sensor is a bit more forward facing (heard its better for fingertip) and 9g lighter. Probably not a bad bet if you try that one. Attack Shark R6 very similar/2g lighter than the Kysona Merc at ~52$. Keychron m4 is 50-70$ depending on the polling rate you want, but might be too small for your hands. Darmoshark M5 Air, G-Wolves HTS Ultra 8K, G-Wolves HTX Mini 8K, G-Wolves HT-S2 Pro 8K would be interesting to look at too. More than $50 though Not a fan of Incott 029,VXE R1 Pro,MambaSnake m3,MambaSnake m5 ultra based on what I can see on eloshapes.

Totally a viable option lol. I couldn’t decide between the OP1w and the X2H v3 but ended up buying the OP1 AND an Mchose L7 Ultra because the mchose was so much cheaper and basically the same shape as the pulsar. Depending on if you want something like the OP1w/X2H v3 vs the Rival 3/Maya I’d highly recommend their L7/A5 mice. Build/software/performance is awesome on my L7, I just personally liked the OP1w shape more. My hand size is 19x10.5 fwiw. Oh and btw from looking at eloshapes, the sensor in the Rival 3 is pretty far back towards the palm. The L7 is probably the closest to that position of any of the mice mentioned, even though that’s not as important as shape. Hope you can find a shop to try some stuff out!

Actually, VXE Mad R (Major or not) are the new successor to the VXE R1, and are better in every way to the VXE R1. As compared to the Mchose L7 Ultra, they are very similar, but the VXE Mad R Major is larger for the same size, the Mchose L7 Ultra is a small size, whereas the VXE Mad R is a medium size. Yet, both are +- 39g (with skates and on their 200mAh version). So for that reason, the VXE Mad R Major is the best mouse over the Mchose L7 Ultra imo. Nevertheless, both are great mice, and you cannot go wrong going either way.

Do you have a source to understand what you mean by "VXE no longer has Omron opticals"? It is my understanding, and also the specification, that the VXE Mad R Major does use Omron Optical switches.

I recommend the Mchose L7 Ultra, around 70$. Or also the VXE MAD R Major. Both are superlight mouse, great sensor (PAW 3950), really light (36-39g), up to 8k polling rate (even tough you only really need 1KHz...), (Omron optical switches etc.). no need to buy fancy Logitech / razer or other expensive brand when nowadays pro gaming mice are so much more affordable and super high quality.

I have the L7 Ultra+. Best mouse I have ever used.

Mchose L7 ultra + $65 on Amazon lowkey one of the best mice you can buy

My L7 (non +) is arriving today, I've been maining the mad r for a couple of months now, its fucking amazing. I will let you know how the L7 holds up, as soon as ive had time trying it.

Im a big fan of the Mad R, but I have to admit the L7 Ultra feels higher quality. It might be due to it being the 500 mAh version (I ordered the 250 mAh version, but you cant ever be sure what youll get from AliExpress), which is 45g compared to my Mad Rs 39g, so it just feels more solid, being smaller and heavier, but its definitely well build. I personally barely notice the weight difference while playing btw, imo anything below 50g is light enough. That being said, the clicks feel similarly light, the L7 is a bit more silent on M1 and M2 but the thumb buttons feel a little more hollow compared to the Mad R. Even though i prefer small mice, for my hands (20 cm length) the L7 is slightly to small to claw-grip comfortably, so im probably going back to the Mad R for now which seems to be close to the perfect size for me, but for the price and if you prefer small mice/have smaller hands id probably go for the L7. I've also been considering getting the L7+ aswell, but its honestly a bit to similar to the Mad R in terms of shape to justify it. Another small thing, that might not matter to most is, the stock skates on the L7 felt a lot worse than on the Mad R, I immediately swapped them out for Tiger Ice V2 dots. Plus point for the little cut outs next to the skates, which made them extremly easy to remove. At least with the dots I had to put the LOD to 2mm, otherwise the sensor would cut out sometimes, this doesnt bother me at all, but might be an issue for some, idk. This also might not happen on the stock skates, not sure. All in all the L7 is incredible for the price, ive only played a little of kovaaks and overwatch yesterday, but im pretty certain I play just aswell, if not better on it compared to the Mad R but ive noticed my hand getting tired much quicker due to the smaller size. Like I've said, for the price (the L7 being about 10-15$ dollars cheaper were I am) I'd definitely recommend it over the Mad R, just get the Plus version if you think the normal one might be to small. I still think the Mad R is awesome aswell though and the weight difference, especially compared to the L7 Ultra+, might still make it the prefered choice for a lot of people, with everything else being so similar.