L7 Ultra+

+1 for Mchose L7 Ultra. I have the same hand size and prefer the L7 Ultra Plus but that seems like a preference thing.

MCHOSE L7 Ultra+, I have the same hand size and play relaxed claw with it.

Hand size - 20cmx10,5cm Currently my main is the ***Mchose L7 Ultra+*** Fits perfectly for agressive or more relaxed claw grip, real solid choice. Also got two others one that i have it before the L7 arrival: **Scyrox V8** Man i love that mice. I use less now but it feels soo good, even with a large hand for it's size that big hump makes out for itself. I only need to curl my pinky to avoid been ran over while flicking while playing tactical or fast paced FPS games, despite that feels great. **Mchose M7 Ultra** This Zowie U2 *inspired* mice is absolutely comfortable for a relaxed claw. I use for MMORPGs and casual stuff, that shallow flare in the thumb side really makes the grip natural. Looking forward to try a more humped and larger mice like Zowie ZA13 or Lamzu Inca, too bad Zowie ZA13 is very expensive here and makes me turn away from buying it.

MCHOSE products in my experience have been very good, I’ve yet to have a failure or notice anything that would dampen performance. I actually still have an L7+ on hand that I’m returning only because it’s too small for me, quality was great otherwise. I currently have the A7 Pro, K7 Ultra, G3 Pro and the Ace 60 Pro keyboard.

Just throwing this out there since some people get confused, the MCHOSE L7 and L7+ are different shapes entirely and are not simply size variations. The L7 is a Pulsar X2 Crazylight clone and the L7+ is a slightly larger Ninjutso Sora V2 clone.

I’ll always recommend anything from MCHOSE and ATK. RAWM also has some good shapes but their prices jump dramatically depending on the product. I’ve used MCHOSE’s L7+ Ultra (Sora V2) , M7 Ultra (Zowie U2), A7 Pro (GPX Superlight), K7 Ultra (Razer Viper V3), and the Ace 60 Pro keyboard (Wooting 60HE). I generally liked all of the products but many simply weren’t for me because of various issues I had with specific shapes. The actual mouse quality was great and they were reasonably priced. Skates were hit or miss with some mice having great skates and others not. I still have the A7 Pro and the Ace 60 Pro to this day. ATK has changed quite a bit since I last used their products. The quality has improved significantly. Unfortunately I can’t say much more than that about them as I haven’t used their newer models but I keep up with their releases and I would recommend them as a good starting point for affordable mice. RAWM is a bit newer and they offer some new and unique shapes that I’d not seen before. I’ve been able to use the MH01 which is this interesting hybrid of the Razer Viper V2 and Razer Viper V3. What does that look like? It’s got the body of the V3 with the grip area of a V2, so like really aggressive curves that tell you where to grip from. I thought was cool but I found it caused finger pain after an hour or two. I kept trying to make it work and would even swap mice to see if it was just me but unfortunately I couldn’t bear using it for long enough. Lastly I’d like to recommend some “premium” brands that are still cheaper compared to Razer or Logitech. Lamzu and Pulsar are both brands that have a good variety of shapes at varying prices *depending on where you buy them*. You can find both within range of $90-$130 or less if you buy used. Of Lamzu’s product line I’ve used the Maya X, the Atlantis OG V2, the Inca ( Zowie Za13), and the Thorn. I found the Atlantis to be a bit too aggressive for me as it really locks in your grip so I gave it to a friend. The Thorn is a good shape for relaxed claw but you can claw it normally if you’ve got a tilted grip. I loved the Inca initially because it almost feels like a pen in your hand, it’s surprisingly narrow and really fills out the palm in a way I’ve not experienced with anything else. Unfortunately I’ve not used it much since I got it, after about a week of consistent use I was experiencing hand cramping. Turns out it was too small for me and I was basically pinching the sides with the force of a thousand suns just to stay stable. Lastly the Maya X, the bigger brother to the original Maya. I still use this one today as it’s my main mouse. It’s like if the GPX actually leaned into claw grip rather than trying to work for every grip. I don’t really know how else to describe it but I like it. Pulsar is probably the one I’ve got the least amount of time with compared to other brands. I found that many of their shapes just didn’t work for me for some reason or another. Of their products I’ve used the X2V2, X3, X2H, Xlite V3 and the TenZ Signature Edition. The X2 version 2 was my least favorite, hump support was pushed too far to the rear in my opinion and the actual grip area was like a brick. Its sides while slightly angled are very flat so it does allow for some variation in finger placement but you’re not doing much else but clawing. This actually fine as that’s what the mouse is designed for but I personally found it an uncomfortable shape to claw. I used to call it the poor man’s XM2 but both are pretty cheap nowadays so it’s just preference. The X3 I was initially excited for as I was looking for a lightweight clone of my G703. I would be disappointed to find that it was wider and stubbier by comparison. It’s just not the same and I wouldn’t find the clone I was looking for until just last year with the Teevolution Terra Pro which is a ~40g 1:1 clone with better skates and a better coating. The X2H was everything I already didn’t like about the X2 but with a higher hump and a steeper click. You might wondering why I bothered purchasing it at all if I didn’t like the X2. It was mostly because I figured the issue was I wasn’t getting enough palm contact. Turns out I just find it uncomfortable and the additional height didn’t help. I was then that realized I should be looking for mid to center rear humps with a more narrow grip area. The Xlite V3 was really just a purchase made because I was curious. The only ergo mice I’d used at that point were the Lamzu Thorn, Logitech G703, Vaxee E1, and Vaxee Outset AX. I would later learn that the Xlite was meant to be a clone of the Zowie EC series. It was an odd ergo to get used to and I never really stuck with it because I couldn’t get as good a grip as I could on my G703 or my Outset AX. The only other ergo I’ve used since was the Razer Deathadder V3 Pro which I got on sale for much cheaper than what it was sold it for at the time. The TenZ Signature Edition was my most recent purchase from Pulsar though I’ve not bought much of anything from them for quite a while. This was more of what I wanted out of the X2H. Hump has been pushed forward a little and lowered. The front has been brought up a bit so it’s not nearly as steep. And it’s got a more narrow grip area. While I did like it more than anything else I’ve used from Pulsar it still wasn’t what I was looking for. I am curious to try their most recent release of the X2N which seems like it’s exactly what I’ve been looking for from them for the last several years but I don’t have the money for it at the moment so it’ll just have to wait. I hope my long winded reply helps you find what you’re looking for.

Viper V3 Pro is cheaper than the V4 if you really wanted to buy a good flagship. V4 is kinda overkill for most people. As for the Superstrike, you’re better off buying one of the Superlights in most cases. HITS only noticeably benefits certain titles and the current settings used by most pros mimic those of the Superlight 2. And yes, I do use Chinese mice, they’re good products. That’s like criticizing someone for using store brand toilet paper. It’s the same thing but cheaper.

WLMOUSE is known for having a bunch of qc issues, that’s the primary reason I’ve never bought anything from them. Compared to other brands they consider themselves premium or higher quality so their prices reflect that being $130 to $150 which is not standard pricing. There are many other brands that have consistently good quality at a lower price. MCHOSE for example, most of the peripherals I own are MCHOSE. I spent $40-$60 at most per mouse. My Ace60 Pro keyboard still works great to this day and I bought it for $50 flat like 2 years ago.

19x9 cm hands / relaxed claw here If the price tag on the GPX is too steep (because it is for what you get), check out the Rapoo VT2 and 9 Max Gen 2 models. Both are slight variations on the GPX shape and are solid quality for 1/3 the price. The VT0 Max Gen 2 is similar to that sora/L7+ shape, but with a less aggro claw shape, I prefer it to the L7 Ultra+ or Hitscan. It's completely out of left field, but you might also check out the Mchose M7. Modern take on an old Zowie shape that fits nicely for relaxed claw.

I have the L7 Ultra+. Best mouse I have ever used.

Just got MChose L7 Ultra+ and I love it, $40 on Amazon try it out before you spend $160