X2 v2 Mini Gaming Mouse

I think you're definitely right that the sensor specs are a wash now. Comfort for bigger hands is most important for me. I have an x2v2 mini right now, and it's ALMOST perfect, but creates a bit of a strain in the carpal area. I'm not really sure what it is as it feels pretty locked in and comfortable for me (I like that it's somewat close to my previous Viper Mini), but might be a touch too thin on the sides and I think it's pinching my median nerve the way I claw grip it (relaxed claw). I was debating a crazylight but I'm not sure now, as I feel like this shape is nice but long-term strain is saying otherwise. I think there's definitely something out there that I prefer, just haven't had the opportunity to test enough to say..and there are also mice like the pathfinder where you can kinda dial in exact grip.

Yeah, it's not a blanket solution sure since some processors and sensors just don't do well at 1k, just as some actually are terrible at 4k or 8k and need to be down-clocked to 2k (or any other polling rate) to work properly. Actually ran into this on my Pulsar X2V2 mini, at 4k it actually is more floaty than it is at 2k (and it goes weird again at 1k). As well as some of my other mice doing the same weird behaviour as soon as I tried to down-clock them to under 8k. Honestly the polling rate is more like overclocking your GPU than anything, sometimes a lower clock yields better results. Sometimes a lower clock makes things unstable and you need to allow the chip to speed up more freely to work properly. But yeah upgrading from 1k to 8k isn't really that big of a deal, but finding that butter-zone for your mouse that makes it run perfectly is defo a big deal.

Optical switches use the same mechanism as a mechanical switch. However instead of reading the switch position with the electrical contacts, they use a laser beam to detect the position of the switch (by blocking the beam before it reaches the sensor). On a piece of paper, optical is way better since you can disable debounce (the click-delay tuning that prevents double-clicking) which means you don't get no-regs when spamming the buttons. However in reality, optical switches are usually very light, when for cps you usually want a heavier switch so you can get that nice rhythm going. Not that optical switches can't be made to feel identical to a mechanical switch, just that they aren't (much like how HE switches in a keyboard don't have to be linear, but predominantly are) for marketing purposes. Though you can just use opticals anyways, whole fam uses the Pulsar X2V2 mini which is a very early optical switch mouse. We all play spam-heavy games along with fps as well, sure the optical switches feel different, but you can adapt just fine. After which you'll be able to get higher cps out of an optical compared to a mechanical since opticals aren't limited by debounce. Then again, mechanical switches also aren't supposed to debounce, the only reason they do is because of extremely chalked programming, but that's an entire different story. If you want the superior feel of mechanical, get a Mad Cats mouse. They use the correct coding for detecting the switch position through the electrical contacts. Mad Catz mice don't double-click and have unrestricted cps just like in an optical switch. So if adapting to an optical switch sounds like pain, Mad Catz is and always has been the king of cps and click latency (and never double-clicking, unless the circuit board itself is borked, or the switch itself is actually broken and not just worn). Mad Catz has a few 3k polling mice (the Pro X and Pro S3, though I think there are a few others too) which are easily the top recommended mechanical switch mice as even their 10 year old 1k mice have comparable click latency and max cps to modern 4k optical mice. So a modern 3k Mad Catz mechanical mouse is kind of a no-brainer for maximum cps with the feel of a mechanical switch and the reliability of an optical switch. Unfortunately that means a wired mouse, and a slightly heavier mouse. The shape is actually goated, but weight is equally important as shape when it comes to preventing wrist strain, the heavier and worse the shape the more you strain your carpal tunnel. However if you were already using a heavier mouse, and remember to stretch and exercise your wrist between rounds and when taking micro-breaks, you'll be perfectly fine (especially if you're under 20, your body will adapt and build muscle in your wrist to handle the weight of a mouse without ever experiencing strain, so the worry about the weight of the mouse is more for the older audience).

If you want pure fingertip grip, then go for it. If you have a 3D printer, print up the shapes (there is an online database of all the mice somewhere, use that to find the mice you're looking at and trial the shapes) and find out for yourself which one you want the most. If you still want the hump, then the Pulsar X2 mini is what I'd recommend (easily the best fingertip mouse I've ever touched, though I do use the hump as a rest when being lazy and browsing YouTube, not having it wouldn't be the end of the universe though). As far as grips go, it's honestly so hard to predict what you'll love and hate. Some people find the hump on the asym mice absolutely game-changing for all the right reasons. Others find it "game-changing" for all the wrong reasons. If you have the free cash (and no 3D printer) get both Fenris mice since you'll never know whether you want the asymmetric hump or not until you try it. Otherwise, I would recommend the X2F since it's taking an already amazing fingertip mouse shape (that's known to be unanimously amazing for everyone) and making it a pure fingertip grip mouse shape. It's definitely the safest option here. Personally I don't really find height to be all that impactful ngl, but do note that as the weight decreases, each gram becomes exponentially more noticeable. I mean holding 1 gram vs 2 grams is noticeable since that's a doubling in weight, so although the difference between a 130 gram mouse and a 100 gram mouse is not very noticeable, the difference between a 40 gram mouse and a 20 gram mouse is huge. That being said, shape is more important than weight, and if the shape is wrong for you, a 20 gram mouse will feel heavier (in the hand, plot twist our body doesn't use grams to measure the weight of objects, so the shape actually has more impact on the "felt weight" than the actual physical weight itself) than a 40 gram mouse if it's the wrong shape for you. So when it comes to the Gwolves mice you're gambling that they're the right shape for you. I mean nothing is stopping you from buying them, and there is a larger chance that they'll be an amazing shape for you than anything. But if you're pressed for cash and buying multiple new mice isn't in-store for you, the X2F is guaranteed to be an amazing shape and definitely the "safe" option.

Same hand size but slightly different grip: I like a more open grip, so my pinky is where your ring finger is and rung finger is farther forward on the mouse almost touching pinky finger. For my grip style the Kysona Uranus Pro is absolutely locked-in. It has a little nubbin on the front right side that I hook and pull back on with my ring finger, and push forward on with my pinky finger. However that won't work with how aggressively you like to curl your ring and pinky fingers (I've been training through years of Cello practice to always keep my fingers relaxed and slightly curled, so I find it incredibly uncomfortable to grip mice the way you do since I've developed different muscles in my hand). If you're happy with a more open and relaxed grip however (hurts if you have a tendency to over-grip your mouse, though the pain will teach you to break that bad habit). Defo give that mouse a shot (or the Pulsar X2 mini, I do the same thing with hooking my ring finger around the front of the mouse). The Maya X is either a carpal-tunnel claw mouse (not pincer claw) or a 1-3-1 pincer claw mouse (I rest my ring finger on the top of the lip next to the rmb, and push down with my ring finger since it's not actually pressing the rmb, actually extremely comfortable and absolutely locked in). However when I try to grip the Maya X with curved fingers like you do, it actually feels extremely locked-in with perfect sensor angle alignment and it doesn't torque to the side if you over-grip the mouse. Though I do find that uncomfortable of course, not sure if it's because I find curling my fingers like that uncomfortable, or if it's because the Maya X is uncomfortable to grip like that. I do grip the ASUS Harpe 2 Ace in an almost identical fashion though. Still my fingers are a little more open and relaxed, however they're almost as curled in as yours are and I do actually find that incredibly comfortable on the Harpe 2 Ace. It has a deceptively long butt that means you grip it far enough back where the middle of the hourglass shape is far enough forwards to reach it without too aggressive of a finger curl. So the Harpe 2 Ace might actually be right up your alley. However, from all reviews online, and trying out 3D printed shape-testers: The Mchose G3 series of mice might actually be perfect for you. Egg shapes (and the elusive diamond and cheese wedge shapes) accommodate claw-grip perfectly as they kick your pinky out farther than your ring finger, and also "snuggle" into the palm of your hand as you grip them. Unlike hour-glass shapes which scoot away from the palm of your hand, and also kick the ring finger out wider than the pinky. Although I do like hourglass mice for fingertip grip, I don't like them for claw grip unless they have a feature I can use to counteract their anti-claw tendencies (like the Uranus Pro nubbin, X2 mini front corner, Maya X rmb ledge, or Hape 2 Ace's long butt). So I would definitely recommend looking into non-hourglass shapes for claw grip (especially pincer claw, carpal tunnel claw is less sensitive to hourglass shapes but pincer claw is very sensitive to hourglass shapes).

That is not true. I have a X2 Mini and X2V2 Mini which are 51-52g, the X2 Crazylight which is 37g feels a lot more solid than my X2V2 Mini. The tolerance are tighter too - the gaps around the buttons are a lot slimmer, the clicks are better (FE opticals vs Raesha opticals), these do cost more so they were probably spending more effort on the QC for these mice as it is the more premium option.

No that's fair, the standard X2V2 and X2H (2023 model) had really bad quality control, my X2V2 was fine though the X2 Crazylight is significantly much better built than the X2V2 Mini which had slight button wobble due to the large gaps of the buttons. It seems spending more on Pulsar's limited or "premium" editions tends to have significantly better quality than the standard ones (or that they have improved everything this generation).

That is not true. I have a X2 Mini and X2V2 Mini which are 51-52g, the X2 Crazylight which is 37g feels a lot more solid than my X2V2 Mini. The tolerance are tighter too - the gaps around the buttons are a lot slimmer, the clicks are better (FE opticals vs Raesha opticals), these do cost more so they were probably spending more effort on the QC for these mice as it is the more premium option.

I have same hand size - Pulsar X2 Mini is what you'd want. Specifically there is the Pulsar Crazylight X2 which is a more advanced version of the X2 Mini.

I have the same hand size as OP, the hump of the X2H mini causes the same issue that prevents us from reaching the front of the mouse (OP1 too long, X2H hump too high). The X2 Mini is better for our case as I main that instead.

EXACTLY the same problems as myself. I've tried a bunch of other shapes for my grip (pure fingertip/relaxed fingertip) like beast x mini, x2v2 mini, Atlantis mini, xlite v3 mini, and none came close to the feeling and aim potential the g305 gives me. the only mouse that worked similarly so far is the zaopin z1 pro, which is the only one I didn't sell and been maining since I switched off the g305. though, still waiting for a proper lightweight, good sensor and switches g305 clone (ATK please make one) so I can compare with the z1 pro.

I have 21x11 hands. Personally I prefer a palm grip 9 times out 10 and I love the pulsar x3 for this as someone who used to main the g403, the x3 is a clone with optical switches However, I had a very fun finger tip stint on the pulsar x2v2 mini which I still use sometimes for fun and when traveling. I only stopped finger tip from fatigue issues but if it works for you I def recommend it. Good optical switches too.

as someone come from s2, lamzu atlantis and x2h shape, ive never thought of main the x2v2 mini until recently as i thought it will small for my 19x10 hand. damn i was wrong . somehow it feels more comfortable and aiming better with it despite its small shape. it give me more freedom of motion and somewhat effortless tracking in fps that ive been looking for compared to my other mouse. definitely gonna try and buy x2 crazylight soon.

>This guy always doesn't recommend Pulsar mice That's just not true. The [Xlite](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-xlite/7.html) got the Editor's Choice award. The [Xlite Wireless](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-xlite-wireless/7.html), [Xlite v2](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-xlite-wireless-v2/4.html), and [Xlite v2 Mini](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-xlite-v2-mini-wireless/7.html) all got the Editor's Choice and Great Value awards (note that these were $80 or less, similar to Scyrox now). The [X2](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-x2/7.html), [X2 Mini](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-x2-mini/7.html), [X2 v2](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-x2v2/8.html), [X2H](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-x2h/9.html), and [Xlite v3](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-xlite-v3/8.html) each received the Highly Recommended award (launch price for these was closer to $100). Only the last four Pulsar mice reviewed by pzogel didn't get any awards; keep in mind that these four all had some level of polling instability with a launch price of $130-180, while cheaper mice like the [DeathAdder V3 HyperSpeed](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/razer-deathadder-v3-hyperspeed/7.html) ($100) had no such issues. It's easy to see why Pulsar no longer stands out enough to warrant a recommendation as they've become pricier and less competitive.