Oh god... but why?! That looks like... is it G403 or G703? The Logitech one, that Teevolution cloned as well as Pulsar with the X3. It's got the weird thumb indentation thing going on, like the original Logitech mouse did.
That's a seriously complicated mouse to be in love with - I tried the X3, Pulsar's rendition of the shape, was the Crazylight Mini so it was the smaller edition - and damn, I didn't like it so much. I think for that one I'd need to have it full-sized because it gave me some severe thumb cramping. I liked it, but it also hurt my hand. LOL!
Your grip style and hand size make a huge impact on recommendations.
I have 6.5inch hands roughly, and a full palm grip and I had a lot of issues replacing my previous generation glorious model d. That mouse gave me no hand pain and it took several purchases to find ones I like.
Shape is king for me and always will be.
I like the razer deathadder hyperspeed, and mchose A7 ultra.
These two really feel great in my hand and aren't too big like many mice are for me.
I tried pulsar x3 crazylight, logitech dex 2 superlight, mchose m7, keychron m3 mini and m7, steelseries aerox 3 gen 2, logitech g705
All the above gave me hand pain except A7 ultra and DeathAdder hyperspeed.
Hope this helps and you find something you like.
You know. I like them a whole lot. They are bad about verbiage, so I will say it this way: if you're looking at a Crazylight model, you've found the right place. Otherwise, go look at the Crazylight version for whatever you're interested in shape-wise. X2 CL is a fav, X3 CL is a new fav, but I was really disappointed by one of my mice of theirs (a non-Crazylight) which turned out to use confusing verbiage about which switches it used, thus there is the problem. The best way to ensure you're getting the best of their product line, is to get the CL (X2 CL, X2H CL, XLITE CL, X3 CL).
They're becoming more mainstream, they will be sold in Best Buy stores now, and I hope there are demo units, because it will give a lot of people all new exposure to our weird little niche and it will help some of us pick on a mouse because we can walk into a retail store and try out the shape. So big win on that. They're good enough that a major retailer like Best Buy worked out a deal to carry their gear, so IDK. We'll see where they go in the future, the switch verbiage thing irks me a little though and the above 3 referenced brands have nothing that irks me about. Well, Zowie, their black mice recently are fingerprint magnets with my DNA for some reason. Other than that, nothing lol.
Here's one tidbit: Zowie is making a shape kit, which has demos of 14 or so of their shapes, which (probably for a hold) they'll ship to you, so you can select a mouse, then you ship back the kit to them. Isn't that awesome? That's super pro-consumer, and they are the kings of shape - almost every shape we discuss throughout this board to this day originally started out as a Zowie shape. Pretty cool IMO.
EDIT: FWIW, I own 3 Pulsar mice (well, 4 technically counting a Gen 2 Xlite) and would rate 3/4 of them absolute Top 5 mice. The other 1 mouse I would rate as "I would let go of this", it just had mushy switches. Go figure.
I have large hands (21x11) and can get away with small mice using a claw grip, but it definitely increases the rate at which my hands fatigue. Width is the main factor for me personally.
At the end of the day, many top aimers even with small to medium hands use large mice and out perform others. So there’s no real evidence so to speak that smaller mice actually perform with higher speed or agility. MattyOW, the top aim trainer grinder, isn’t lacking agility as a medium handed dude on a large and 60g mouse compared to my ass finger tipping a CL mini at 45g.
With that un mind, it really just comes down to preference and comfort.
I have 21x11 hands. Personally I prefer a palm grip 9 times out 10 and I love the pulsar x3 for this as someone who used to main the g403, the x3 is a clone with optical switches
However, I had a very fun finger tip stint on the pulsar x2v2 mini which I still use sometimes for fun and when traveling. I only stopped finger tip from fatigue issues but if it works for you I def recommend it. Good optical switches too.
I don’t like fingertip grip either lol. I tried it about two years ago for a few months but it’s just not for me, I like palm or relaxed claw way more.
I have an EC1, dav3, super light, pulsar x3, x2v2 and x2v2 mini
Personally I like the x3 best for control and palm contact.
If you’re like me, the lack of control stability you feel might come from not having enough forward contact with the mouse close to the sensor
Dav3 or 4 (4 is better but more expensive), Terra evolution (high quality g703), ec1, pulsar x3 are all great options if you want something bigger. I am 6’2 and have large ish hands and I can claw/palm hybrid all of those. The only one I can truly fully palm with minimal finger overhang is the ec1
I can also relaxed claw a super light pretty comfortably.
I have had two super lights one original and one super light 2. I’ve put both through the wringer using them as travel mice, work mice, even accidentally dropped one so hard its button came loose and I just pushed it back in and it still works fine.
Been maybe 4 years of use from that one.
Maybe I just got lucky, but I’ve had no tech issues with any of my two super lights.
The g703 is a different story; I’ve veen through four of those.
My dav3 had a bad scroll wheel after a year that I fixed by blowing dust out of it (didn’t need to open it or anything, just blew on it). Can’t complain about that
That’s unfortunate. Sorry to hear that my friend.
The Zowie ec1 and the Logitech dex are the other two big ergos I can vouch for. The pulsar x3 is cool too but very very round and the Terra teevolution I haven’t tried but I love the shape of the mouse it’s a remake of.
That being said, the dav4 is definitely the most popular one. If Razer is saying they can’t help specifically because of the supplier and not having purchase info from them, it may be worth jist buying another dav 4 from a better or more reliable supplier as I don’t think this DC issue is common and a rare unlucky like that can and does happen with many brands
Ah yeah, we’ll check out the shapes on Elo shapes.com if you can. It’s not an actual back hump, just less of a slope than an ec1 or dav
Edit: the pulsar X3 and teevolution Terra are notably more back hump than any of the other mice we’ve mentioned so I would avoid those right off the bat.
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