Pulsar Gaming Gears - Xlite V3 Mini

I wouldn't get the thorn due to its shape, it fills the hand out a lot. Xlite V3 mini is the most narrow I'm sure. Im a little confused with you saying the Viper V3 was too wide. Ergo's are wider. E1 is going to be a well built mouse, it's not an EC3, just a tad smaller EC2. The DaV3 Hyperspeed has perfectly fine specs. Literally nothing wrong with them. It'll be a little more narrow than the Thorn and E1. I'd try it personally if I were you. I don't really use ambi's now. But if a Viper was too wide, maybe look at some top ambis on elo shapes, maybe one of the new ambi zowies is more narrow where you need it?

Dissapointing, been on this Xlite V3 mini all year and I love it, but V4 offers me very little to think about another Pulsar, X3 maybe being a different shape.... Wish they would just stay on one model, do a small upgrade without calling it V4 and offer new colours at launch. On that note, hope OP doesnt mind, but anyone had any joy on any other small/medium ergos? I always felt EC2 size was a little too big for me, but Xlite mini just a little too small, anything in between? Looked at E1 or Thorn but unsure. Maybe Paro if it comes around again.

Slightly smaller hands but I claw a bit too, went back to ergo because more comfy for MMOs as I am not playing FPS as much right now, find claw mice better for FPS. Anyway. Lamzu Paro might be another to add to your list. Will keep tabs on this however as I am interested moving to something a fraction bigger than my Pulsar Xlite V3 mini.

My hands are 17,5x9 and i tried the Xlite V3 Mini. It didnt really click for me and i think it was the right side being a bit too narrow or the pinky winding up too far forward cause of the length. I'm on a Sword X now, i was afraid it would be too big but because it is pretty low for its size it feels very manuverable but at the same time comfortable. It's very easy to move it with just the fingertips or clamp down with the knuckles when needed.

>But to pretend they're the same quality as a bigger brand is just copium. I mean there is nothing else like the X2 Crazylight from the higher-end brands so what else am I going to buy?? Razer is refusing to make high-end version of their mini mice, so if we were to compare the wired Viper Mini to the X2 Crazylight, the X2 has better quality outright. I used to own the Viper Mini SE (the magnesium shell) and it broke within a couple of days since one of the shell strut just snapped, my review even got mentioned in a GamersNexus video back in the day about the downsides of magnesium mice. It also has huge friggin holes, small scratchy feet, crap raesha switches, fingerprint magnet coating, and it's heavier overall. I really don't see why the X2 Crazylight is not considered the superior product over the Viper Mini, let alone the Viper Mini SE or the Cobra. Don't even get me started with the Xlite Crazylight compared to their wired Deathadder Mini and DAv3 hyperspeed. I have both on my table right now and the DAv3 HS has started to creak and the top layer coating on the thumb area is beginning to peel, revealing the bare plastic underneath the rubberised coating. My Xlite V3 Mini is still solid and the Xlite Crazylight is somehow more solid than the Xlite V3 and DAv3 HS despite being much lighter (also no more raesha switches). So... X2 Crazylight >Viper Mini / Viper Mini SE / Viper Cobra Xlite Crazylight > Xlite V3 Mini > DA Mini / DAv3 HS

While the g305 is a good mouse, as someone with smaller hands, it caused me hand pain almost immediately. I think this was mostly due to the size and the sharp drop off on the sides of the mouse.  Getting a gaming mouse that works well for you personally can be a bit of hard thing to get right. I would look up some info on the different types of grips (claw, palm, and, fingertip) and take your hand measurements. r/MouseReview has a lot of good info.  As someone who has a relaxed claw grip I got the pulsar xlite mini v3 and love it.

EXACTLY the same problems as myself. I've tried a bunch of other shapes for my grip (pure fingertip/relaxed fingertip) like beast x mini, x2v2 mini, Atlantis mini, xlite v3 mini, and none came close to the feeling and aim potential the g305 gives me. the only mouse that worked similarly so far is the zaopin z1 pro, which is the only one I didn't sell and been maining since I switched off the g305. though, still waiting for a proper lightweight, good sensor and switches g305 clone (ATK please make one) so I can compare with the z1 pro.

my v3 mini has double click after 2 weeks

Do you fully place every part of your hand on the mouse or do you have a slight curl in your fingers and they’re not 100% on the mouse? For palm grip, I’d generally prefer middle hump mice and consider ergo shaped mice like Pulsar Xlite V3 mini or similar

I’ve been using Pulsar mice since the original X2 and the Xlite v3 was finally a mouse where quality was good enough that I could recommend to others. X2 V1 had double clicking issues, even on later batches. Rather than fix that and allow buyers to RMA, they released a V2 instead that people had to re-buy. X2H had the worst clicks of any mouse I’ve ever tried. They then finally released a good mouse in the Xlite V3 but at this point, I’ve just gone for the OP1w 4K and won’t be buying from Pulsar again.

I’ve been liking the Xlite v3 Mini. All black with a little white or red dot on the side (might be able to turn that off idk).

Yeah I've got a FNATIC one. Before getting it I tried XLite V3 Mini, which is just a smaller ec2. It didn't suit me at all lol. My thumb couldn't get locked in anywhere. It was just sliding across the side of the mouse. And the side buttons are placed horribly, my thumb was way behind them buttons so I couldn't press them comfortably. So I returned the Pulsar mouse and got the Thorn. It felt much better, its more on a neutral side tho. And I really do like Raesha Opticals somehow. They're on a lighter side which I really like. I've got 77 hours in kovaaks (jade tracking complete with some master scores in VT benchmark) so I've got some thoughts about Thorn and Mad R. And I'm a glass pad user btw. Thorn - gives sooo much stability for me. I play relaxed claw, sometimes agressive claw. The mouse feels locked in while still having the finger movement. Mad R - light af but yk how it feels already with Hyperlight. My other friend who's much better at aiming than me said that Mad R felt bad for him cause its like raised at the bottom and his fingers just crawl under the mouse lmao. Overall I like it, I mainly play static with it (I SUCK at static). The only thing I don't really like are the Omron switches (most fucking rng switches on the market). They feel do hard to click somehow lol That's it ig, if you any more questions, feel free to ask :3

I was excited until I looked at the dimensions and saw they're using the Size 1 Xlite for this one, which I found too small for me.

Intellimouse 3.0 and Steelseries Ikari. Nowadays probably the xlite v3 es.

Pulsar X2V2 (Mini), X2H (Mini), and Xlite V3 (3 sizes) all have huge sales in different places. They use ball bearings in the scroll wheel and their own encoder, which is very reliable. They also have optical switches, which are free from any double clicking.  They are also still around 50-58g with a 3395 and solid for the money (look for them on sale for around $50-65).  If you're willing to pay more or go for wired mice, you've got a lot of options for reliable stuff. Vaxee, Zowie, and Endgame Gear products in particular.

i was able to buy a v4 with almost the same price of the v3 ( new stock, some guy sell it back to me cause he did not like the shape ), and so far i have no issue yet, it is a great mouse but yeah compair to the v3, not so much of an upgrade

I use an xlite v3 decent mouse super light wireless or wired I love it

I've changed it in my Xlite V2 and V3 mice... standard encoder. It may have been some unusual brand, and now maybe their own exclusive encoder how that they use a dustproof one... but its a standard encoder that can be swapped like any other.

I've been happy with Pulsar. I've been buying Xlites since the first wireless. While I own a pair of V3 Larges, the V4 made no sense to me. It's a V3.1 that isn't justifiable if you already have the V3. (So I never bought a V4) I'm currently running the X3. First thing I noticed was how shitty their skates are. With the Xlites I always had corepads ready to go on day 1. I think their stock skates have gotten thinner. Very easy to scratch a soft cloth mousepad. That lip is awful. On one of my Xlites v3s I did take a Dremel sander to them. Even with corepads it would scratch a specific mousepad I was running. Hoping corepads will solve this for the X3, but they're not out yet. So I ordered some dots in the meantime. I'll just need a lot of them.

Xlite V3 owner here, big fan so far! I know Pulsar's QC can be hit or miss, but 6+ months on and I haven't had any issues. I owned the DAv3 Pro as well and while I liked it, I didn't love it and it started having scroll wheel issues.

I just checked it out and with Xlite V3 nonetheless. I knew that being comfortable is the main thing, instead of forcing myself into learning a finger tip grip on a tiny mouse…

I've been enjoying the pulsar xlite v3. Quality mouse, good software, doesn't break the bank.

I mean if you dislike loose clicks and main button wobble the thorn and pulsar xlite v3 are atrocious for it

If you want an ergo mouse, I personally love the Pulsar Xlite v3. They have other mice (ergo and ambi) and most of them have pretty plain color schemes.

Can confirm, ordered a superlight and in one game I was constantly using the middle mouse button and it just got stuck. I have ordered a pulsar xlite v3, and the later batches don't have QC problems so let's hope it's all good.

Yep, was thinking about ordering a v3, opened their Amazon store to find there’s now a v4 and like 4 other variants out of their ambi mice in like the 6 months since I was last going to buy a v3, on top of that I’ve had QC problems with them before and seeing them just pump out more mice means none of them are going to be as good as what they should be

Rival 710 > Rival 650 Wireless > Aerox 5 Wireless > Xlite V3 > X3

>This guy always doesn't recommend Pulsar mice That's just not true. The [Xlite](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-xlite/7.html) got the Editor's Choice award. The [Xlite Wireless](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-xlite-wireless/7.html), [Xlite v2](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-xlite-wireless-v2/4.html), and [Xlite v2 Mini](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-xlite-v2-mini-wireless/7.html) all got the Editor's Choice and Great Value awards (note that these were $80 or less, similar to Scyrox now). The [X2](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-x2/7.html), [X2 Mini](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-x2-mini/7.html), [X2 v2](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-x2v2/8.html), [X2H](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-x2h/9.html), and [Xlite v3](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-xlite-v3/8.html) each received the Highly Recommended award (launch price for these was closer to $100). Only the last four Pulsar mice reviewed by pzogel didn't get any awards; keep in mind that these four all had some level of polling instability with a launch price of $130-180, while cheaper mice like the [DeathAdder V3 HyperSpeed](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/razer-deathadder-v3-hyperspeed/7.html) ($100) had no such issues. It's easy to see why Pulsar no longer stands out enough to warrant a recommendation as they've become pricier and less competitive.

>This guy always doesn't recommend Pulsar mice That's just not true. The [Xlite](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-xlite/7.html) got the Editor's Choice award. The [Xlite Wireless](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-xlite-wireless/7.html), [Xlite v2](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-xlite-wireless-v2/4.html), and [Xlite v2 Mini](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-xlite-v2-mini-wireless/7.html) all got the Editor's Choice and Great Value awards (note that these were $80 or less, similar to Scyrox now). The [X2](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-x2/7.html), [X2 Mini](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-x2-mini/7.html), [X2 v2](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-x2v2/8.html), [X2H](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-x2h/9.html), and [Xlite v3](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-xlite-v3/8.html) each received the Highly Recommended award (launch price for these was closer to $100). Only the last four Pulsar mice reviewed by pzogel didn't get any awards; keep in mind that these four all had some level of polling instability with a launch price of $130-180, while cheaper mice like the [DeathAdder V3 HyperSpeed](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/razer-deathadder-v3-hyperspeed/7.html) ($100) had no such issues. It's easy to see why Pulsar no longer stands out enough to warrant a recommendation as they've become pricier and less competitive.

One of my favorite ergos as well next to the dav3 hyperspeed, the right side feels very comfortable and has a lot of room for me to place my fingers. I’ve used the dav3 pro, Lamzu thorn and Xlite v3 but none give me the same performance as this.

My Xlite v3 medium has been perfect since getting it and payed ~80€ for it from Amazon.

Hi there,I appreciate the comment..I just saw your post and your grip ..I would say you have kind of a pincer claw/forward palm hybrid style with a  pretty steep tilt.You really like to have your ring and pinky fingers on the edge and because you have short hands for that mouse(gpx)you are forced to rise your wrist and compromise health and stability.I would recommend for you a medium/small size ergonomic mouse.Deathadder Hyperspeed, Pulsar xliteV3 medium or small,lamzu thorn,zowie ec2-c or even ec3-c could fit you well, something in that line, doesn't have to be expensive,maybe a Chinese medium ergo with good sensor to see how you like it.You should try if you like medium or small better..Hope it helps...

Hi there.Yeah,It seems that you are more comfortable with a small ergo mouse. Unfortunately there's is not much demand for that and there's few options.I would go with the Zaopin Z2 mini if you can only get it on AliExpress.Its not a true ergo,kind in between of ambi and ergo but it could fit you well.

A middle ground sounds great. Definitely need some innovation injected into the design process. I tried the Pulsar Xlite v3 and the Fnatic Lamzu Thorn recently, and while they were great mice, they just didn't feel right in my hand. The only thing that I truly love is the Razer Naga V2 Pro. I'd love to see some more innovation into mice that dive into the realm of MMOs/MMORPGs simply for the extra buttons.   My dream scenario: Razer comes out with a Razer Naga V3 Pro Wireless and the feature set of the new Naga is as follows:   **Overall** - * Significantly reduced weight (I use the 6-button side plate. Mouse weighs 131g). Around 70-80g would be welcomed. * Different color options. I'd love a Naga in that orange the [Fnatic Lamzu Thorn](https://us.maxgaming.com/bilder/artiklar/zoom/28212_1.jpg) uses. Maybe a blue like that [4Runner Voodoo Blue](https://www.butlertire.com/images/gallery/Toyota/4Runner/Toyota_4Runner_with_20in_Black_Rhino_Overland_Wheels/Toyota_4Runner_with_20in_Black_Rhino_Overland_Wheels_11886_30094_large.jpeg)? *Yes*   **Swappables** --- * Left, Right, Middle * Hot-swappable switches * Side Plates * Button Side: Keep the original 3 plate options **but** introduce a blank plate that consists of say.. 10-12 slots for buttons. Included in the package is a bag of many buttons consisting of different shapes. I personally love the 6-button (they label it as for MOBA's) side plate, but I would *love* an 8-button side plate. * Pinky side * Give us a few different plate options to customize the *width* of the Naga. * Scroll wheel * Different textured/weighted/RGB-accented wheels you can snap right into place. Maybe one that has a free/infinite ability like on some Logitech mice. * Palm * A few different plates for the palm hump. I haven't used it before, but that hump on the Zowie ZA13-DW looks so comfortable.

[pulsar xlite v3](https://www.rtings.com/mouse/reviews/pulsar/xlite-v3), amazing mouse for around $100usd

Pulsar Xlite v3 is far and away my favorite at the moment. Have used DAV3, Ec2, gpro DEX, Vaxee outset. It’s essentially an Ec2 clone

Medium and I got the cheaper, non-es one on Amazon for 70 bucks. It’s nearly identical to the Ec2 shape

I use just a standard gaming mouse, Pulsar Xlite V3. I don't really see MMO mice as 'necessary', but if you want to use one then you do you. What *will* make you a better player however is memorizing your rotation by practicing it on a training dummy.

Any of these a similar shape to G pro x super light?  I currently like my g pro x super light and my Pulsar Xlite v3, but neither of them is perfect for me. I feel like there is something better out there. 

just going to reiterate what others have already said. you seem to be using a palm grip so an ergo is probably the best option. if you have large hands good options are, in no particular order: zowie ec1-dw razer deathadder v3 or v4 pro logitech pro x superlight 2 dex pulsar xlite v3 or v4 (size 3 / large) teevolution terra pro some of those models also come in medium size too if the large variant did feel too big.

Xlite v3/v4 if if you want a longer and wider mouse than the xlite v2 mini it is also has a taller hump. Now for a back hump ergo teevolution terra, pulsar x3 / mini, pulsar zywoo medium / mini, lamzu thorn (or you can wait for the new model of Thorn which some said it's bigger than the current thorn), outset ax.

Xlite v3 medium fits your description probably the lightest wired ergonomic mouse also it is a clone of the ec2 which is a popular asymmetrical mouse on the market

I just wait for a sale on any decent brand. I got a Pulsar Xlite v3 for about 2500PHP(44 USD). Pretty damn happy with the mouse way less headache than my G703.

I went from a G703 to Xlite V3 and the shape bump and weight difference was insane for me. My first grab of the I would sent it sliding forward. I got used to it now but yeah it’s make a huge difference in the palm area for me.

All endgamegear mice, newer pulsar mice (x2v2/xlite v3 and newer) razer viper v3 pro (for big/medium hands), arbiter studios akitsu (really good quality but expensive and only for small/medium hands), all vaxee/zowie mice

How about pulsar xlite v3? Currently using mini size and it's good

Lamzu thorn and pulsar xlite v3. I like the side button placement of the thorn more.

I'm using the Xlite V3. And find that it is fine for my needs. But I think that constructive criticism is always welcome and needed.

I’d get the X3. I just picked one up last night coming from the GPW and I like it so far. The hump is fairly tall, but the back slope isn’t too aggressive, so I find that it fits right in the middle of the palm pretty well. I haven’t tested it super thoroughly yet, mostly just some web browsing and random screwing around, but so far seems pretty comfortable and responsive. The extra width helps with control, as well. For reference, I thought the DAV3 and Xlite V3 were ehh in terms of comfort, with the DAV3 having too aggressive of slopes and the Xlite V3 being a bit too small for me.

I tried Dav3 and it was to big. Hyperspeed to small. I have used an xlite v3 and really enjoyed it for a few years. I was having a bit of an issue with side flair. I moved to the WLMouse Sword X and haven’t looked back. Really good mouse with no side flair so a lot more comfy in the hand IMO.

I got the v1, v2 and v3. I'll skip this one.

I've tried many small ambi mice and found these to be my favorite: Lamzu Paro (aurora or regular\[has raesha switches which suck\]), Pulsar xlite v3( not sure if you can find this cheap so you might have to go for v4), and zaopin z2 mini. I also like the shape of the Fantech XD5 but I wouldn't really recommend that for the price.

Dav3 is such a good mouse all around, but you can’t go wrong with the xlite v3 for the price. If you don’t mind spending extra, id recommend the dav3.

Pulsar Xlite v3/4 are really with a similar shape and weigh a little less.

I have the xlite v3 I haven’t had any issues so far at all but I understand from you point of view about it the only other mouse really is the superlight dex which is overpriced and the Glorious model D which is not a great mouse.

xlite v3 is my favorite rn. I used large, mini and medium version (hand 19x10) and medium is the way to go

Pulsar Xlite v3, I have one and it is great

I have the v2 and v3 can't go wrong with them for an ergo.

thats quite sad to be fair, the v2 and 3 was really good, i settled on the atk x1 ultra which i think is a 1:1 viper v3 pro clone lol

Pulsar Xlite V3 pro, i switch to this mice because my old sensei raw was starting to trigger me too much with the bugged wheel. It's so light you don't feel it rubbing on the pad. Every parameter can be set up on the mouse so it's plug and play. Wireless as well with a few weeks between charges with moderate polling rate (1kHz) and it's right handed so it feel more confortable to me. You should take a look to all those korean e-sport focused brands

Pulsar Xlite V3. If you like a light mouse with only 2 side buttons and no software required to configure/use it, I think it's solid. No free spinning scroll wheel though, that's the one thing I keep wishing I had for PoE but I've never had a mouse with that feature.

I am using a Pulsar V3 and it looks boring AF but feels and performs great.

I have pretty much the same grip style and hand size. I found out for me that while the ec shape like the xlite are very comfy, they're sometimes not great cause I can't micro adjust with my fingers. I now really like either lower humps like viper mini/finalmouse inspired or something with a back hump like the Sora 4k. Allthough I think the lower hump is nicer.

Appreciate it. I was trying to find some information on the new click implementation but couldn’t find any. Very disappointing because I really like the x2 and xlite shapes.

As someone who has had the DAV3 Pro and DEX, tried the NP-01s, Xlite and the EC2… For shape, it’s the DEX hands down. Build could be a little better for the price but shape is king/queen. Note: hands are 20.5 x 11cm and I use relaxed claw. I’ve also heard good things about the E1 but I can’t find a 3D scan of it anywhere.

I seen to aim best with the most uncomfortable ones like mz1/inca, most comfatble I think is like xlite but don't like it for aiming good for none fps games for me, hmm vxe shape I think is borderline between the 2 ai quite well and it isn't uncomfortable but don't like the clicks and wish it was just maybe 2mm thinner, know of any mice like that?

Any good ec clone, i think xlite or Dav3 are the best ergos in that aspect atm. Maybe something like the terra too (g703 clone) i have similarly sized hands and i enjoyed the g703 back in the day alot.

You can: Replace the switches (soldering iron + maybe 10 dollars on switches) Buy a new razer mouse (fuckass software and support. I wouldn't do this but that's because I hate razer as a company and don't want to give them my money) Buy a new mouse from a different brand (I like the Xlite lineup)

You can: Replace the switches (soldering iron + maybe 10 dollars on switches) Buy a new razer mouse (fuckass software and support. I wouldn't do this but that's because I hate razer as a company and don't want to give them my money) Buy a new mouse from a different brand (I like the Xlite lineup)

You can: Replace the switches (soldering iron + maybe 10 dollars on switches) Buy a new razer mouse (fuckass software and support. I wouldn't do this but that's because I hate razer as a company and don't want to give them my money) Buy a new mouse from a different brand (I like the Xlite lineup)

as an owner of g703 and DAv3, i think youll love the Dav3. my only dislike was that it uses synapse. Oh, and the dongle is annoyingly hard to plug the cable into sometimes because it has like a mineshaft inside of it unlike the pulsar dongles. If you find that you dislike it for whatever reason, pulsar has a pretty much EC clone and I loved my xlite for years before I got my dav3.

It feels like Pulsar pumps out a new mouse every week at this point. Their mice are decent overall, but I really wish they would get around to improving their click and build quality. I find it hard to go back to my Xlite ever since I tried out the Outset Ax and EC2-CW.

I have the exact same problem and most mice I've used so far caused me actual pain on my hand/wrist lol So far the x2h mini is the only "safe" mice I own. Ones I tested and can't use: any gpro based shape, Lamzhu Thorn, Pulsar xlite, any ulx based shape (causes less pain compared to the others but still far from comfortable). I'm looking into getting an op1 as it should be even flatter than the x2h at the front, at least when looking screenshots and 2d shape.

I have all or most of the mice mentioned in your post, and similarly have had issues finding a mouse that had a right side that felt normal. The XM2w caused my hand to cramp (even tho I played awesome with it lol) The E1 is the best overall mouse I've ever used imho. The shape is second to none in my opinion. I have the ec2-dw, the pulsar super light size 1 & 2ES) and many other ergos that aren't nearly as comfy. The cons to the E1 are - the buttons have a specific bounce/spring to them, so there is a tiny bit of rattle if you slam your mouse often - the scroll wheel is fine - the side buttons have a bit of a corner to them, (I just sand it down) I'm currently switching between the E1, the Viper V3, the Zowie S2-dw Oh, and the Sora is an awesome mouse with a great shape. It's god a cool internal structure that was fun to mod and get the weight super low. I missed having the curved finger grooves (so I added my own) but overall it's an awesome mouse that I mained for months before I got into ergos. The pulsar super light is awesome, but had specific curves (along the right side and front) where I never felt 100% comfy. I have the v3ES and the v3 size 1, and both were a bit off for me. And I also didn't love the raesha optical switches.... Best scroll wheels tho! The XM2w is certainly the best built mouse of these three. If there was a version that didn't have such an aggressive inward curve along the right side I would likely be maining this mouse. That and I wish it had finger grooves... It's so solid tho... My personal rankings: 1. E1 2. Sora 3. Xlite (does the v4 still use Raesha optical switches??) 4. XM2w (but if you like the shape, its potentially #1)

Viper v3 pro is my current favorite symmetrical shape, but if you were interested in trying ergos I’ve been using a pulsar xlite for a while now and it just melts perfectly into my hand. My current favorite ec2 clone

Pulsar always has issues with gen 1 versions of all of their products. Xlite, X2, X2A, X2H, all had quality control issues. If you like the X3, wait for the X3V2.

I'd say the vaxxee e1 but that still might be a bit too wide. Try the Xlite, QC is a hit and miss maybe you get lucky. Remember the smaller the mice, the better you aim

If you told us the size of your hand it would be easier. But generally for palm something like an Pulsar Xlite would be a good choice because it comes in 3 sizes.

you basically drew an op1 and VAXEE xe/xe-s. consider those or an ergonomic mouse like the vaxee e1, ec2/3-dw, or pulsar xlite. even the VAXEE np-01s might be the best shape for you, based on the issues described. it has more ring and pinky support than any non-ergo mouse I've used and you can easily be agile with it and have a flexible grip, while having more support for the thumb and ring/pinky fingers.

Have similar hands and loved the viper ultimate, just bought a pulsar Xlite. The v2 is $55 right now

I was in the same boat. The viper v2 pro is the successor with the same shape but I saw a ton of people saying the scroll wheel breaks easily. The Zowie FK is the classic for that shape but pretty expensive. I was recommended the pulsar Xlite by a friend and it’s a different shape but made for bigger hands so I decided to try it. I can let you know how I like it 🙂

OP1 8K v2 is about $90 I think. That’s on the smaller side, and it’s well regarded as one of the best (if not categorically the best) mice for FPS. Even best mouse overall, it outperforms just about everything. Do you prefer symmetrical or ergonomic? The Razer Deathadder v3 is often on sale for $50-70, in my opinion it’s no slouch, it’s ergonomic. Much less of a performer as the OP1 but it is pretty decent. It’s large tho. If you’re interested in Pulsar their mini’s on the smaller size and I’ve seen some models (like x2 v2) on Amazon marked down to $70-90. Those will be wireless and are good. Pulsar also has an XLite (ergo) or X2 (wired) for $50, those are awesome choices IMO.

Honestly I'm amazed at how my Pulsar xlite is.. was 50$ and using it years later no issues. It's the perfect mouse for me

Pulsar mini is mg favorite, or mby op1we

Check out Pulsar Xlite series, excellent performance, good ergonomic shape, under 60g, Comes in 3 different sizes.

Hope i had this kinda luck with everything but never had a Deathadder fail on me (v2, v3, Pro). The V4 actually removes the mechanical scroll for an optical one, so the same scroll issue shouldn’t happen. If you like the shape but don’t want to drop 170 on Razer again, the Eweadn A5 Pro has the same shape. The Superlight 2 Dex does too, though it’s pricier. This year’s really been Pulsar’s, the Xlite series matches the shape and gets strong reviews

if you want an ergo more like the model d, i recommend the razer deathadder v3 (if you don't like that you could look at the pulsar xlite series or at zowie ec2)