Pulsar Gaming Gears - Xlite v4 Large

I have 19.5cmx10cm hands, I think the DaV4 or something of similar size, like the Pulsar Xlite V4 Size 1 (large) would probably be best for palm grip, unless you're opposed to trying ergo shapes

502 is a big mouse, but maybe you want something where the hump is a little taller and more so in the middle. Ec1-dw or Xlite large v3 or 4, ec1 will be slightly taller and more forward and the xlite is similar but a good amount taller. Keep an eye on that Razer vertical mouse they announced maybe. Eloshapes to help compare

well if you think its too small i used [https://www.eloshapes.com/](https://www.eloshapes.com/) to find a mouse relative to my previous mouse zowie ec-1. my hand size is the same as yours with that being said I tried the razer deathadder v3 and it was too skinny for me. it all comes down to preference and how you hold your mouse anyway. i ended up getting the pulsar xlite v4 large (size 3) and i enjoy it.

Pulsar Xlite v4 Large is the biggest I’ve found

Get a xlite v4 large if you have big hands

Get a xlite v4 large

Damn dude your hands are massive, maybe even bigger than mine. Ill give you the list of all of the mice I've tried. 1. Steel Series Aerox 5 - probably my favorite but it is expensive, I don't particularly like the software, It had an issue where it would disconnect randomly sometimes, and after a few years the scroll wheel stopped working. But the weight and button configuration are what are great about this one. It also has a comfortable shape for big hands. 2. Pulsar xlite v4 large - great mouse, great shape, i can almost palm it, I can if im feeling lazy, wide enough for a comfy finger tip grip that large hands pretty much have to use. I wish it had more side buttons but this is my current mouse that i replaced the Aerox with and I love it. I whole heartedly recommend giving this one a try. It has a simple software that just does what its supposed to and nothing else. The software also doesnt need to be running all the time. 3. Mionix Naos Pro - its almost perfect, its almost what i want it to be. if it were just a little taller i would be able to palm it. I think its a solid choice for xxl hands but its just not quite there, the pulsar is far lighter and has a better shape for fingertip grip. 4. Steel series rival - solid, heavy, you can actually add weights to make it heavier. back when i used this i didnt think i would like a light mouse. over all a good mouse with a good shape for large hands. 5. Logi G604 - great mouse, i dont think they make them anymore so they are hard to find/expensive. Scroll wheel is great. Probably about as close to an mx master as your gonna get. Has the weird shape where it gets skinnier where the ring and pinky finger rest so you end up dragging or sticking out your pinky. Lots of thumb buttons, did i mention i like that. 6. Roccat kone xp air - weird shape, almost looks like a left handed mouse but its not. i really like the button configuration but the shape just makes it uncomfortable for the ring and pinky finger, side buttons arent worth an uncomfortable grip 7. Logi G900 - meh one of the first "large" mice i aquired. Its too narrow to be comfortable for xxl hands. 8. Logi G502 - dont listen to anyone who recommends this mouse, its actually not really any smaller than any of the other mice here but the button placement is verry uncomfortable for xxl large hands. I think that about covers it other than I use an mxMaster 3 at work. I would still like for these all to be a little bigger but gaming mice don't get any bigger than this that i have found. TLDR I RECCOMEND THE PULSAR XLITE V4 LARGE Edit - I've held some of the razers at the store and i didn't particularly care for them.

The biggest mouse I’ve felt is pulsar v4 large. It’s bigger than a Deathadder

Discovered the Teevolution Terra Pro after buying a Pulsar Xlite V4 Large, which is my first wireless mouse. It was meant to replace my Logitech G403 Hero, which still works fine, but I was looking for some new features. After using the Pulsar for only two days, I have decided to keep it. However, I miss having some subdued RGB lighting, if only to make it easier to find the mouse in my dark office. It would also be good to have a wireless charging option. I wonder if Teevolution might add either or both of these features, or if they will continue to focus on reduced weight and prolonged battery life?

The xlite v4 large could be good for you, ive got large hands too

I went from a DAV3 to a xlite v4 and im very happy. Weighs less, good sensor and slightly narrower build is perfect for my claw pincir grip

Pulsar Xlite v4 Large is a dead ringer in terms of shape to the current DeathAdder Edit: Y’all, how much closer does it need to be? https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=pulsar-xlite-v4-large-vs.-razer-deathadder-v4-pro

Dude your placement of skates is total trash, just buy an Xlite V4 Large/get open box for 70$, your welcome Also, caress the mouse like this: [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UqZrWhiQZUYpgCShRTiXNIC-MoLJ\_8Ru/view?usp=drive\_link](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UqZrWhiQZUYpgCShRTiXNIC-MoLJ_8Ru/view?usp=drive_link) it'll anchor/stabilize the mouse

23cm x 13cm. I switched from the EC1-CW to the Pulsar Xlite v4 Large and I am liking it so much more.

It was 60 + shipping/tax through indiegogo as a preorder discount only, and that was without the 8k dongle. The xlite v4 large has similar overall size and was based on that shape. The EC1 has had variations in it's claimed dimensions over the years because Zowie changed how they measured it. A couple mm of length will not make or break the shape for large hands. Width and height are more important.  https://www.pulsar.gg/collections/xlite-series/products/xlite-v4-large-gaming-mouse?variant=46061157417214 

Depends on their hand size i and grip. I just switched from DAV3P to XliteV4Large cause it's ever so slightly bigger but it makes a difference. DAV3 is still great mouse tho i really love it

The Pulsar xlite v4L is also just as good for big hands imo. Lighter than the Zowie too. The hump is more pronounced on the Pulsar so its personal preferance. I alternate between the 2.

Highly recommend the pulsar Xlite large for big hands with palm grip. You can find older versions for around 80 bucks if you’re willing to stretch a bit.

Maybe a pulsar Xlite large, its similar shape but should fill your hand more https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=pulsar-xlite-v4-large-vs.-zowie-ec2-dw I have 20x10cm hands and found it very comfortable

Pulsar Xlite large is the most comfortable mouse I’ve seen for large hands palm grip. Similar shape to Deathadder but cheaper

Have similar hands and loved the viper ultimate, just bought a pulsar Xlite. The v2 is $55 right now

I was in the same boat. The viper v2 pro is the successor with the same shape but I saw a ton of people saying the scroll wheel breaks easily. The Zowie FK is the classic for that shape but pretty expensive. I was recommended the pulsar Xlite by a friend and it’s a different shape but made for bigger hands so I decided to try it. I can let you know how I like it 🙂

How big are your hands exactly? I have 20x10cm and really enjoying the endgame XM2. I also liked the pulsar Xlite large but it was even a little too big for me

Pulsar xLite v4 Large. Bigger than any suggestions so far. Ergo, comfortable and good qc. Might be of interest to you

I've been happy with Pulsar. I've been buying Xlites since the first wireless. While I own a pair of V3 Larges, the V4 made no sense to me. It's a V3.1 that isn't justifiable if you already have the V3. (So I never bought a V4) I'm currently running the X3. First thing I noticed was how shitty their skates are. With the Xlites I always had corepads ready to go on day 1. I think their stock skates have gotten thinner. Very easy to scratch a soft cloth mousepad. That lip is awful. On one of my Xlites v3s I did take a Dremel sander to them. Even with corepads it would scratch a specific mousepad I was running. Hoping corepads will solve this for the X3, but they're not out yet. So I ordered some dots in the meantime. I'll just need a lot of them.

I agree with the conclusion and I think that aligns with what a lot of us have been saying on r/MouseReview when it comes to high priced mice. I don't know Pulsar's sales numbers, they seem to be doing well. It just seems like Pulsar is going to lose their corner of the market as they approach Razer/Logitech prices, despite not having their brand/name recognition. The appeal of Pulsar was "Why buy a Razer Deathadder, when I can buy an Xlite Large for 2/3 the price?" And maining both of those mice for a year, I felt Xlite was the superior product. Now a year later, they've already become the brand... "Why buy a crazylight when you could buy a Scyrox for nearly half the price?" The only way I see Pulsar winning, is if they plan on taking down Logitech and Razer. The strategy seems like they've gotten way ahead of themselves. And I hope I'm wrong, because I do like Pulsar, but if this trend continues, I'll be looking for the next "pulsar" or whoever is selling the next $80 mouse with premium parts. (I suppose I already am, as I went from an X3 to Terra Pro) They're being ambitious. Somebody over there has big goals. But remind me in 5 years how they're doing. We'll see. At the moment, they remind me of where Glorious once was in the mouse market.

look like your grip is palm Ergo: deathadder v3 (pro) - delux m900 (large then deathadder v3); zowie ec1; pulsar xlite large size; glorius model D symmetrical - glorius model O, vaxee xe, lamzu maya X, waizowl ogm cloud

21x11cm. I can’t claw my G403, ZA-11, EC-1, or pulsar xlite large (all the largest mice on the market) without my fingers going way past the scroll wheel almost hanging off the front, and the thumb going way past the side buttons. My XM2 feels minuscule to try and claw especially with the tapered in sides. Thus I have to fingertip grip.

If you like the deathadder shape, you can try out EC1 clones \- Xlite Size 1/Large (if you can spot a v2 on sale or even a v3 it would be great, in my country they usually go on sale for less than $100.) \- DeathAdder v3 Pro (not the v2), doesnt usually go on sale as much as the Xlites. \- Delux M900 (I think you can get this for around $50 ish) \- ATK Z1 (a bit smaller than the DA, around $70-$90 depending on where you buy it) \- Model D 2 Pro Wireless

waizowl cloud v2, pulsar xlite large, you wont gregret neither of them

Waizowl cloud, pulsar xlite large, zowie za 11, those my favorite (up to date) bigger mice shapes

nah heavily disagree, if you just see them they look very similiar xlite large however is way more filling and wider

here some of the biggest mice, za11, waizowl cloud, pulsar xlite large, when i see your grup it looks like your palm actually rest on the mousepad, you could have a decent grip on the xlite large

sadly i have to agree the pulsar xlite v4 feels vry Solid but their Main buttons are super weird, they still trying to do their weird pre preassure post travel thing, feels just awful, also not a Fan of the xs 1 on 2mm lod it feels scuffed

Ive used Pulsar xlite large, dav3 and logitech superlight dex. For DEX i had to swap gripstyle. DAV3 was my favorite for a year. They are all worth trying out

I personally have only used the xlite large size , but I prefer the DAV3 shape over it. Zaopin Z2 is great its basically like a tilted GPX so not a full ergo.

WLMouse Sword X for a bit smaller. Pulsar Xlite v3/v4 Large for pretty much same size.

Xlite Size 3. (Large)

I've similar sized hands and the large xlite fits me well although it can feel a bit tall, especially with the [way I hold it](https://imgur.com/a/9y4dZtz) I think the best part of it is how the weight is balanced on it. for such a big mouse you barely feel it when swiping fast

Yes, the QCK Performance Speed. As for the Pulsar, it’s really up to you. With your hand size, you could go with either of their size options, it just depends on which one you think suits your grip best. I really like the Xlite Large and the Xlite ES/Medium, but I prefer ergo mice.

Second pulsar Xlite large size

i was able to buy a v4 with almost the same price of the v3 ( new stock, some guy sell it back to me cause he did not like the shape ), and so far i have no issue yet, it is a great mouse but yeah compair to the v3, not so much of an upgrade

Dissapointing, been on this Xlite V3 mini all year and I love it, but V4 offers me very little to think about another Pulsar, X3 maybe being a different shape.... Wish they would just stay on one model, do a small upgrade without calling it V4 and offer new colours at launch. On that note, hope OP doesnt mind, but anyone had any joy on any other small/medium ergos? I always felt EC2 size was a little too big for me, but Xlite mini just a little too small, anything in between? Looked at E1 or Thorn but unsure. Maybe Paro if it comes around again.

I was actually very critical of their terrible v3/v3es release. My thorn left click is starting to die so i gave the v4 a shot and i think its pretty solid. You can go back through my post history on mouse review and see I have talked a ton of crap about their QC. That said I think the v4 is a good cozy mouse for us 20x10 palm folks who want something palm-able but agile. I will say though that your criticism of them in how they handle churning out so many things is absolutely valid.

QC was so chalked on the v3 that they delayed it for what seemed like a whole year. I think the xlite shape is excellent. I'm very happy with the v4 but will not be preordering pulsar things anymore. Due to their PITA RMA process I will only be buying from amazon from now on. (I've bought every iteration of the xlite)

xlite v4 or es version would be great choice. u can also consider ec2dw and zywoo chosen.

there is some difference between ec2dw and xlite4 on the shape. i cant say which one is better. you can check some reviews on youtube about the comparision between these mice. vaxee e1 can also be included into the list.

I really love it, when I tried the xlight v4 I found I couldn’t 1 tap very well. I didn’t give it enough time and I’m sure if I used it for a few weeks I would adapt. I’ve heard really good things about the hyperlight so may order one.

I am currently using the Maya X butI have  the Xlite V4 coming Monday. I’m hoping it can replace the X

The V4 feels like a letdown. I have minor switch grinding on LMB/RMB, Flexing on the sides that actuate the side buttons and rough edges where they glued the plastic base together with the top.

Anything at this stage...but i'm currently maining the xlite V4 and the viper v3 pro

Why the large holes... You had 2 years of public feedback against the Viper Mini SE and decided to use similar holes on an ergo which is likely to use even more palm contact... Also no reviews out before orders are up... This is a hard sell vs. the XLite v4 at $99. The charging dock is cool though, hope they implement that in the v4 eS and the base v5 moving forward. I hope the Kailh opticals here are better than the Raeshas, but I don't support restricting the switches to this $179 model.

Editing in text form of the review... **Text form if you don't care to watch the video:** I was excited to try the Pulsar XLite v4 because I have been using the v3 in Large for about a year now. Other EC alternatives I tried deteriorated in quality, or weren't close enough to the EC/weren't doing anything interesting shapewise for me to try (DAv3 Pro was my main and the scroll wheel exploded) **I was looking forward to**: new clicks, new build, new bottom plate/skate design. Of these things, they made the clicks worse, the build much better, and kept the same trash bottom plate and skates. **Clicks**: The raeshas were a complaint of last gen but they were snappy, kept their snappiness over a year, but were just too light. Furthermore, they slam click, so a low sens player like myself is prone to accidentally shooting/right clicking, which can lose you fights/rounds/games in something like tac fps. The new clicks (Kailh opticals) are heavier, but just awful. Inconsistent feeling on RMB and LMB, mushy, not snappy. These are an L and a genuine downgrade from last gen. The only good thing is that they implemented a slam click filter, which every competitor (Lamzu) can push a firmware update for, but Pulsar needs to release a new $100 "next gen" mouse to do so. Lazy. Also my left click started squeaking literally mid review video. **Build**: My XLite v3 Large creaked in 1 month of use. I don't really care about creaking as it doesn't affect in game performance but it more so shows you the level of attention to detail from the production process of the company. It's fixed from an initial impression with the v4. It was solid and squeezing didn't even force any creakage. Will it stand the test of time? I don't know (spoiler: because I'm returning my copy). Kudos to them here. **Base/Skates**: The base of the Pulsar series is trash. The reason is that it has an outlining plastic ridge around the skates for the skates to line up. Sound familiar? Logitech GPX does the same. How does the GPX sound on soft/xsoft pads? Nails on a chalkboard (see clip in video). Same thing here, good thing I fell in love with mid firmness pads. Using the exact same skates/base that have known issues feels lazy. Likely to prevent new molds/production costs. Should go for bigger skates that most people like as Razer did. **Old 4k Dongle vs. New 8k Dongle**: This is the most frustrating part of this mouse. It isn't compatible with the old 4k dongle and you have to get the new 8k dongle to get access to higher polling rates. I'm personally of the opinion that higher polling rates don't matter unless you need that competitive edge/assurance, but if you're going to market/flaunt 4k and 8k on the box, you better include that dongle in the box. Furthermore, how are we 1 generation of sensor tech from the 4k dongle and it isn't compatible? Razer's Hyperpolling dongle is literally compatible across 3 generations of sensors (DAv3 HyperSpeed 26k, DAv3 Pro 30k, Viper V3 Pro 35k). I don't give a shit if there is a real technical reason as to why the old 4k dongle can't pair to the new 3950 mice, in that case it's bad design and if there is no real technical reason then this is forced obsolescence. **edit per /u/pzogel comment below, this is due to making a new in house firmware vs an older compx solution. So a technical reason exists, however, it is quite a pain to the customer. He makes much more technical reviews than I do, so check his posts/reviews if you haven't before** **Conclusion**: Pulsar spend money sponsoring VCT Pacific and certain teams (ironically, most of these players will not be seen with Pulsar mice on stage) instead of bring their mice up to par with competitors. I'm always weary of products/brands that overspend on marketing (think Honey), so I make sure to really see if their product development matches their marketing. In the case of Pulsar, it doesn't. Their previous v3 model suffered from slam clicks, and they never pushed a firmware update whereas Lamzu did so immediately. They are forcing 3950 mice users to buy new high polling rate dongles instead of updating the old one to pair to new mice (see edit above). What's even worse is that during the making of this video, [Pulsar is now teasing their own proprietary switch with just the caption 2025 on Twitter, when I was literally mocking them in the video that they would release a v5 next year with fixed clicks for another $100.](https://x.com/PulsarGears/status/1873671656809664652) It's clear to see that Pulsar give f\* all about the quality of their releases and just want to push a new $100 product to you. I know many are hype for the X3 and will be ordering it, but for those that are a fan of their other mice, I urge you to find alternative brands that actually care about the consumer.

That's great, and I can admit they can make serviceable mice (I'm still using the XLite v3). However, something really needs to be said with their lack of support and seemingly obvious release cycles. No slam click update, no 4k dongle support for new mice, downgrade in the clicks, already teasing the 2025 model, spending more on marketing than firmware updates.

Yeah it feels like the v4 has strangely gone under the radar while being out for a while too

I can recommend the Large v3 on Sale for 70 right now, it's a great deal and Pulsar mice can be solid in a vacuum, it's more so their release strategies and attention to detail that upsets me.

My v3 charges from a phone charger, should be fine

Yep, was thinking about ordering a v3, opened their Amazon store to find there’s now a v4 and like 4 other variants out of their ambi mice in like the 6 months since I was last going to buy a v3, on top of that I’ve had QC problems with them before and seeing them just pump out more mice means none of them are going to be as good as what they should be

I too am a v4 size to user. I agree with some of what you have said but disagree with others views you have made. Compatibility with the 4K I agree it’s a Micky take. And again there is is no significant difference between the v3 and v4. The software also could have been to make with the v4. But to me I have noticed click differences for the better. The scroll wheel to me is slightly higher compared to the v3. Skates couldn’t agree with you more. They go immediately. But I guess as others have said it’s down to personal preference 4K v 8k polling I don’t game and to be fair can’t see a difference, the feel is the same. If it where me the v4 could have been much more it was released to early. They should have done more but didn’t…..

OSRS player here with 19.5 × 10.5 cm hands out of the mice I’ve tried, the Pulsar Xlite V4 feels the best. I also own a DeathAdder V3 Pro, but that one ended up feeling too bulky for me.

Yeah, they're the same, the v3 eS is just heavier (65g vs 54g) and the scroll wheel is aluminium i believe. It's not stiff, quite light actually, but not too light. If you were not bothered by the specifics of the v3 eS then I'd just recommend the v4. It's lighter, different scroll wheel, doesn't have a screen (which really is unnecessary anyway) but it's the same shape with updated tech I believe.

Medium (Size 2) is probably a safer option. Size 2 is what it have now and I can easily palm it. You could always get it in Size 2 and return it and get the bigger size I'd too small.

Tried the EC1-DW and Pulsar Xlite v4 recently to replace my Basilisk v3 Pro. The Basilisk made my pinky and ring finger hurt after about an hour of gaming because I have large hands. The Zowie and Pulsar were very close. The coating on the Zowie was a bit more sweaty, however fingerprints were more visible on the Pulsar. Even though the Zowie is longer, the Pulsar felt a little bigger and better due to the larger hump. I liked the charging station / receiver that came with the Zowie- for the Pulsar there is no charging station and the 8k dongle is an additional purchase making the Pulsar 15€ more expensive than the Zowie. I liked the scrollwheel and the Zowie better because it gave more feedback. In the end I kept the Pulsar because of the shape and the slightly better coating. I‘d also like to see a large hands mouse with a large hump from Zowie.

Definitely the smaller one. The deathadder v3 pro is huge, probably it's biggest con for a lot of people. I have 20x10cm hands and I find the deathadder v3 pro too big. Im a big ergo fan and if you wanted a recommendation outside of the deathadder, I would recommend the Vaxee E1, I freaking love that mouse. It's wireless implementation is top notch, it feels like it's a wired mouse, its a great ergo mouse. And I also really like the Logitech Superlight DEX, it also has amazing wireless implementation, top tier sensor, and a comfortable shape. The deathadder also has great wireless stability and latency. I've realized just how much wirelss implementation plays a factor into how good a mouse feels, Because all modern sensors are so good these days, that wireless stability, latency, and accuracy will play a much bigger difference between which mice feel really good and which ones feel okay. I have found that Logitech, Razer, vaxee, and zowie have the best wireless implementation When ever I use something like my pulsar xlite v4, it feels way more "loose" with big flicks, it feels like it has a subpar sensor compared to the vaxee E1, or the DEX, or the Deathadder v3 pro, but it should be on par with the vaxee e1 and dav3. Do note that the deathadder v3 hyperspeed uses a lower end sensor, it's not even a 3395, but it's wireless stability and latency is sooo good, it'll feel just as good as a pulsar xlite v4 that has the highest end sensor currently, the 3950. Comparing the deathadder v3 pro to.the hyperspeed, I only feel a ever so slight difference, where the hyperspeed feels a little more "loose", a little "faster" with it's fast flicks. Compared to the deathadder v3 pro, it feels a little more "slowed down" with it's big flicks, almost like it has a little more control ability so it feels a little more slowed down as you flick it. I own all these mice and have tested them all extensively.

just going to reiterate what others have already said. you seem to be using a palm grip so an ergo is probably the best option. if you have large hands good options are, in no particular order: zowie ec1-dw razer deathadder v3 or v4 pro logitech pro x superlight 2 dex pulsar xlite v3 or v4 (size 3 / large) teevolution terra pro some of those models also come in medium size too if the large variant did feel too big.

Xlite v3/v4 if if you want a longer and wider mouse than the xlite v2 mini it is also has a taller hump. Now for a back hump ergo teevolution terra, pulsar x3 / mini, pulsar zywoo medium / mini, lamzu thorn (or you can wait for the new model of Thorn which some said it's bigger than the current thorn), outset ax.

Of course I'm sure, pulsar xlite has multiple sizes so depending on the size you prefer.

Only get the es if you want a plug n play mouse like a zowie mouse all the settings configuration are on the mouse.

Xlite v4 mainly because Im maining a zowie ec

Have been using DAV3 for the last 2 years or so, been through a couple because of scroll wheel dying early on them. Just picked up a Pulsar Xlite v4 and am trialing it now, if it lasts at least as long as the DAV3 probably gonna move to maining this, Razer is just asking too much money for what they're putting out anymore.

It feels like Pulsar pumps out a new mouse every week at this point. Their mice are decent overall, but I really wish they would get around to improving their click and build quality. I find it hard to go back to my Xlite ever since I tried out the Outset Ax and EC2-CW.

I have the exact same problem and most mice I've used so far caused me actual pain on my hand/wrist lol So far the x2h mini is the only "safe" mice I own. Ones I tested and can't use: any gpro based shape, Lamzhu Thorn, Pulsar xlite, any ulx based shape (causes less pain compared to the others but still far from comfortable). I'm looking into getting an op1 as it should be even flatter than the x2h at the front, at least when looking screenshots and 2d shape.

I have all or most of the mice mentioned in your post, and similarly have had issues finding a mouse that had a right side that felt normal. The XM2w caused my hand to cramp (even tho I played awesome with it lol) The E1 is the best overall mouse I've ever used imho. The shape is second to none in my opinion. I have the ec2-dw, the pulsar super light size 1 & 2ES) and many other ergos that aren't nearly as comfy. The cons to the E1 are - the buttons have a specific bounce/spring to them, so there is a tiny bit of rattle if you slam your mouse often - the scroll wheel is fine - the side buttons have a bit of a corner to them, (I just sand it down) I'm currently switching between the E1, the Viper V3, the Zowie S2-dw Oh, and the Sora is an awesome mouse with a great shape. It's god a cool internal structure that was fun to mod and get the weight super low. I missed having the curved finger grooves (so I added my own) but overall it's an awesome mouse that I mained for months before I got into ergos. The pulsar super light is awesome, but had specific curves (along the right side and front) where I never felt 100% comfy. I have the v3ES and the v3 size 1, and both were a bit off for me. And I also didn't love the raesha optical switches.... Best scroll wheels tho! The XM2w is certainly the best built mouse of these three. If there was a version that didn't have such an aggressive inward curve along the right side I would likely be maining this mouse. That and I wish it had finger grooves... It's so solid tho... My personal rankings: 1. E1 2. Sora 3. Xlite (does the v4 still use Raesha optical switches??) 4. XM2w (but if you like the shape, its potentially #1)

Viper v3 pro is my current favorite symmetrical shape, but if you were interested in trying ergos I’ve been using a pulsar xlite for a while now and it just melts perfectly into my hand. My current favorite ec2 clone

Pulsar always has issues with gen 1 versions of all of their products. Xlite, X2, X2A, X2H, all had quality control issues. If you like the X3, wait for the X3V2.

I'd say the vaxxee e1 but that still might be a bit too wide. Try the Xlite, QC is a hit and miss maybe you get lucky. Remember the smaller the mice, the better you aim

If you told us the size of your hand it would be easier. But generally for palm something like an Pulsar Xlite would be a good choice because it comes in 3 sizes.

you basically drew an op1 and VAXEE xe/xe-s. consider those or an ergonomic mouse like the vaxee e1, ec2/3-dw, or pulsar xlite. even the VAXEE np-01s might be the best shape for you, based on the issues described. it has more ring and pinky support than any non-ergo mouse I've used and you can easily be agile with it and have a flexible grip, while having more support for the thumb and ring/pinky fingers.

OP1 8K v2 is about $90 I think. That’s on the smaller side, and it’s well regarded as one of the best (if not categorically the best) mice for FPS. Even best mouse overall, it outperforms just about everything. Do you prefer symmetrical or ergonomic? The Razer Deathadder v3 is often on sale for $50-70, in my opinion it’s no slouch, it’s ergonomic. Much less of a performer as the OP1 but it is pretty decent. It’s large tho. If you’re interested in Pulsar their mini’s on the smaller size and I’ve seen some models (like x2 v2) on Amazon marked down to $70-90. Those will be wireless and are good. Pulsar also has an XLite (ergo) or X2 (wired) for $50, those are awesome choices IMO.

Honestly I'm amazed at how my Pulsar xlite is.. was 50$ and using it years later no issues. It's the perfect mouse for me

I used to do that with my G502 and now I have a 60g xlite and an 80g zowie plugged in, I play better on either of them

best is subjective, its between deathadder v3 pro/wired, hyperspeed(mini), superlight dex, ec2-dw, pulsar xlite v3/4, and maybe even np-01s. it depends on your handsize and gripstyle

Pulsar Xlite V3/V4 es, amazing battery and comfortable

>This guy always doesn't recommend Pulsar mice That's just not true. The [Xlite](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-xlite/7.html) got the Editor's Choice award. The [Xlite Wireless](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-xlite-wireless/7.html), [Xlite v2](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-xlite-wireless-v2/4.html), and [Xlite v2 Mini](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-xlite-v2-mini-wireless/7.html) all got the Editor's Choice and Great Value awards (note that these were $80 or less, similar to Scyrox now). The [X2](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-x2/7.html), [X2 Mini](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-x2-mini/7.html), [X2 v2](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-x2v2/8.html), [X2H](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-x2h/9.html), and [Xlite v3](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pulsar-xlite-v3/8.html) each received the Highly Recommended award (launch price for these was closer to $100). Only the last four Pulsar mice reviewed by pzogel didn't get any awards; keep in mind that these four all had some level of polling instability with a launch price of $130-180, while cheaper mice like the [DeathAdder V3 HyperSpeed](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/razer-deathadder-v3-hyperspeed/7.html) ($100) had no such issues. It's easy to see why Pulsar no longer stands out enough to warrant a recommendation as they've become pricier and less competitive.

ulx small tfue/xlite crazylight/op1 8k + raiden mid

Mini ergos cater toward fingertip / claw grip for smaller hands. Smaller mice also lend themselves very well to games with a lot of verticality. Honestly as an ergo fingertip enjoyer I'd pick up this new mouse, but Pulsars XS-1 / 3950 firmware is not good.