Razer - DeathAdder V3 HyperSpeed

I was leaning towards getting the Basilisk cause of the bluetooth and RGB and the V3 Hyperspeed felt like a downgrade from the V2 Pro for me.

I wouldn't get the thorn due to its shape, it fills the hand out a lot. Xlite V3 mini is the most narrow I'm sure. Im a little confused with you saying the Viper V3 was too wide. Ergo's are wider. E1 is going to be a well built mouse, it's not an EC3, just a tad smaller EC2. The DaV3 Hyperspeed has perfectly fine specs. Literally nothing wrong with them. It'll be a little more narrow than the Thorn and E1. I'd try it personally if I were you. I don't really use ambi's now. But if a Viper was too wide, maybe look at some top ambis on elo shapes, maybe one of the new ambi zowies is more narrow where you need it?

To directly answer your question: The Cooler Master MM720 might fit your bill. It's a little bit fragile, but it's wide as all hell and decently cheap as well. More generally, I used the G502 exclusively for, what, a decade? and had the same issue with cramping/numbness in my pinky and ring fingers. I thought it was the mouse width, but eventually I switched off the G502 in search of a lighter mouse for use in twitch shooters. I love the 502's shape and it has the best scroll wheel out there, but I think its mass might have necessitated me gripping it more tightly than I would other mice, which could have contributed to that issue. That *may* be the case for you. What I eventually settled on was the Razer Deathadder V3 Hyperspeed -- even though it's a narrower mouse, it's much lighter and I haven't really had that issue since. (But I have long maintained that if Logitech come out with a properly superlight wireless mouse with the 502 shape, I'm switching back in a heartbeat!) That's just my $6.40 on it, though, so your mileage may vary.

I have said this many times on here before and still believe it to be true.... If you go strictly based on SW, I would pick Logitech Dex or SL 2. Why? It's the only SW I've found (and I think I've used them all) that can properly do an Aim Down Sight right click macro toggle. There are games like Cyberpunk that do not have Aim Down Sight as a toggle. And I hate holding the button to aim. Every other software does not allow me to create a macro to do this, including Synapse. Aside from that, I am not a fan of GHub. It's gotten better but it's still bloated. I think Synapse has made some headway with the Viper V3 Pro and DAV 3 HS where you can adjust sensor positions (not physically obv but you tell the SW that you are holding the mice at an angle). They also have ability to set 4k in game and default to 1k on desktop. It's little QOL features like that I enjoy especially if you make me install an app. I'd rather have just basic web app support though like the new Maya X and the Finalmouse blue one that came out a few months ago (forget the name).

Starting sometime in 2024, probably past half 2024, RAZER made some changes and added some padding or reinforcements on the inside of the shell of the DAV3. I had a couple of late 2024 and early 2025 batch samples and they are no longer cracky at all, plus the encoder has been yet again replaced with a TTC Gold dustproof (which will probably make not much difference because it's the encoders that suck, poor materials and so on, not the maker of the mouse), but somehow a not pingy TTC Gold, as I tried like 30 samples bought from AliExpress at different times from didfferent sellers and all were pingy as fuck, noisy and annoying. So I would not worry, if they are sending you a new DAV3 it should be one of the latest batches and it should be good.

I did not check the smooth touch, it's a weird one (no firmware updates, locked with the 8k dongle) and quite expensive still, but I am sure they do not differentiate when building them, the smooth touch just gets a coating, the inner parts of the sheel should be the same as the regular base.

Xlite V3 and DAV3 HS have the same sensor, in fact, RAZER's implementation is probably miles better, yet only for the DAV3 HS you mention old sensor, why ?

Honestly for the price, the sensor and the weight the hyperspeed is too good. The only gripe for me would be where do you feel most of the weight?

Rn im using the deathadder hyperspeed with a key 83 xsoft and mchose ace 68. I play cs all day everyday

After years of using small fingertip mice and a gpx I bought a deathadder hyperspeed and I’m in love with it for cs2.

Honestly it’s probably the most underrated ergo mouse out there. I prefer it way more to all the ec2 clones. I bought it along with the medium xlite and a few other ergos and the dav3 hs really stood out

I have no clue about attack shark mice. Pricing differs from region to region. Best value in my market is deathadder v3 hyperspeed.

durability is a diceroll usually. with two of same mouse, one can break in a month while the other lasts years. the theoretically most durable mice would be ones with optical switches but those have been out for so little it's hard to have actual evidence that they last long. ime the most durable and well built mice are Zowie and Vaxee brand ones. they scream quality in the hand but also come at pretty high prices. maybe the Zowie U2 which is $90 right now for some reason (msrp $130) is a good choice. edit: I'm using the deathadder v3 hyperspeed which has optical switches but the plastic and coating don't give me confidence it'll last super long. I'm a bit scared to travel with it since it feels like the rubbery coat might just get scratched off by any hard plastic or metal thing I pack it with.

Thanks. I should have mentioned I have the DAV3 Hyperspeed, as amazing as it is, the flare out drives me insane, just cant get comfy wtih a right side flare out, I was the same on the Viper shape.

If you are looking for that back hump, the OP1 8k is really good, the precision and stability you get with the shape is insane. But it's a really thin shape so if you want something wider, the Hyperlight is your best bet albeit with a less aggressive back hump.

The closest is the Viper v3 Pro, it's amazing for claw grip. I would say it's a better GPX, can't say much about ergos tho

The shape is awesome if you are looking for a nimble ergo mouse. I thought it was a little small at first, smaller than the Viper v3 Pro. But after using it for a while size is perfect for my grip, very comfortable all around. Matches the Viper in terms of specs and the coating is perfect for my dry hands.

People don't talk about the Deathadder enough here. Great ergo shape

Razer Deathadder V3 is a great large ergo shape. The Hyperspeed version is smaller but the full size version may be a better fit for you.

I just got the DAV3 Hyperspeed and I am absolutely amazed. I have similar hands.

A hidden gem and my current main.

If all the mice I've tested, I aim best with the DAV3HS and my hand is 19.5 x 10.5 cm for reference. Hope this helps.

True, I did pick up a Deathadder V3 Hyperspeed for £50 on eBay too.

There’s nothing wrong with the DAV3 Hyperspeed specs wise so that shouldn’t influence your purchase of it. I don’t think you can go wrong with any of them you’ve listed but I’ve also had issues with Pulsar QC in the past.

Brother… Razer have one of the best sensor technology/performance. There’s nothing old about it.

I absolutely loved mine. Just couldn’t get past the terrible optical switches

I have it. It's one of my favorite ERGO mice i have. I'd definitely recommend it!

Hello my mouse lovers and enthusiasts! Today's question/discussion is pretty simple, but important. What is your favorite mouse of all time in terms of shape. Now, this could be a mouse that you haven't used in a long time because it's outdated or it could be your current main mouse. I'm asking because I'm curious how many people prefer small or large mice. I know mice like the SUPERLIGHT have a super safe shape which is why it's so popular. There's also mice like the G703, where a lot of people LOVE the shape but don't it isn't used a lot because of how outdated it is. My favorite ambidextrous shape RIGHT NOW has to be the LA-1. Even though I've only owned this mouse for a little under a month, the shape is just perfect for my hand and grip style. I know the mouse itself isn't popular, but it's my favorite right now i terms of shape. The Razer Viper V3 Pro is a VERY close 2nd. My favorite ergonomic mouse shape is easily the Razer Deathadder V3 Hyperspeed. Although I don't use ERGO mice, the Deathadder v3 hyperspeed is just super comfortable. I only use ergonomic mice for casual games typically. Thanks for reading and have a great rest of your day! (Side note: I ordered two new mice. The Waizowl OGM Cloud V2 and the Pulsar X3 Mini. Can't wait to get my hands on them.)

I love the Deathadder V3 Hyperspeed shape so much. Easily my favorite ERGO mouse.

Razer Deathadder V3 Hyperspeed. It's super affordable, has no batteries, and is a great shape for claw grip. Stock skates are some of the best on the market.

Deathadder v3 hyperspeed is narrower Kysona Uranus Pro is a Medium sized ergo Kone Pure Ultra clone. I do love the finger grooves for locking into it. (58g) Aerox 5 Wireless is similar to Deathadder in hand, but with less left hump, which I find comfortable.

Good and better than the wired

The hump and overall size of the mouse is identical. The reason it's smaller is how long the left and right main buttons are. The m65's clicks are a little longer. Where do your fingertips rest now? If they're around your scroll wheel, you may not even notice. Try orienting thr mouse from the back on eloshapes. And if you're just looking for a nice ergo mouse that can play games, I would consider the deathadder v3 series of products (v3 specifically! Often referred to as "Dav3," pronounced as "Dave." English wordplay). They are broadly available and can be found at reasonable prices. I think the Dav3 hyperspeed might be up your alley

This entire generation of razer mice are made to have a similar design philosophy between them. Any variant of the Dav3 should be comfortable to transition to

I was not even paying attention to this mouse. I saw hyperspeed and just wrote this off as it just being a cheaper dav3 with a AA battery slot like the other hyperspeeds. Glad I took a closer look today. A smaller deathadder is exactly what I was wanting. And a rechargeable battery! Only 100 bucks, still expensive but pretty cheap given it's competition with other big name companies. Bought one on Amazon

Still one of my favorite mice. I aim very well with it. Sometimes it can feel a little too small but still one of my favorites

Its definitely one of the best mice i aim with and it had such a sleeper release. Ropz uses it and i trust in ropz

20x10 hand measurement here. I had the same issue and have the same two mice lol. I ended up going with the viper v3 pro and pretty happy with it. Middle finger still sticks out if I go full palm grip but palm/claw works really well. Oddly enough, I also have the Deathadder v3 hyperspeed and feels better than full sized DAV3. The size and weight allows me to have full control over it for really fast movement. Wanted to try the Superlight Dex but never got around to it. Might be worth a look if the two I mentioned don’t interest you. I also have the viper v3 hyperspeed (missed return window). A little heavier but not bad with battery mod and has really nice mechanical switches.

Deathadder v3 hyperspeed, cant go back to other mice its just too comfy and the size is deal for my claw grip

I randomly got the dav3 hyper speed on sale and it feels weirdly way better than the dav3 pro. The coating and size being smaller are both really good positives. The clocks are better than the pro. Only downside is 1k.

This is arguably the most comfortable mouse I've ever used. I'm not a huge fan of razer switches but the side buttons and shape are great.

>The reason why I stuck with this mouse is because it had no side buttons for me to worry about accidentally pressing, and also just in case if the game's anti cheat detected pressing them as cheating.  most paranoid thing I have ever heard. it's actually harder to find (good) mice without side buttons on the market. not attacking you, i just think it's funny as it's basically a non-issue and always has been. 99% of games don't bind sidebuttons to anything, for fear of the end user not having them (I only know of one title that has it hard coded for weapon swapping), and i doubt any anti-cheat flags sidebutton/combination presses as cheating lol. higher polling rates (the 4000 to 8000 range) are only noticed, much less appreciated, with a high performing PC (good CPU, as high polling rates utilise the CPU a lot). you'd also need a high refresh rate monitor and generally a low latency set up overall. the lag caused by high polling rates due to the toll it takes on the CPU far outweighs any benefit it might have. but sure, seeing what higher polling rates can do may be interesting, though most people just stick with a standard 1000. I personally own the VV3 Pro, and have tried out the DAV3 HS previously. they weight around the same, but are different shapes and slightly different sizes [according to eloshapes](https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=razer-viper-v3-pro-vs.-razer-deathadder-v3-hyperspeed) but to someone with bigger hands on this sub (20x9 hands, light/relaxed claw grip) the difference was night and day. my fingers went over the clicks on the DAV3, but that only happens occassionally with my right finger on the Viper (and i can correct for it w/o being uncomfortable - my conclusion is that's it's def not a palm grip mouse unless you have smaller hands). as for the OP1, depends what variant, wired, wireless, polling rate? the OP18K (with mouse bungee) is one of the top reccomended mice on this sub.

I just picked up the dav3 hyperspeed the other day and have side wobble on my right mb and it makes a popping/clicking noise and it feels terrible. Everything else feels good, maybe just a bad copy I got.

I just picked one up also, I went from a DA V3 wired which I felt was a little too large for my grip style with 19 x 10.5 cm. I'm loving it so far and landing more shots in The Finals with it.

Deathadder V3 wired/ hyperspeed if you want to try wireless.

I dont even think they make mice in the 85g range anymore but for your budget and shape preferences I would probably go for the Death adder V3 Hyperspeed, if you wanted to try a symmetrical instead the viper v3 hyperspeed is around the same price.

reddit never fails me so lets start, heres my details * 19x10cm hands * Relaxed/Sorta Aggressive Claw * Arm Aimer, Micro adjustments with wrist * Low-Med sens on Valorant/CS2 * 61.5 cm 360 \~ Valorant * 94.5 cm 360 \~ CS2 * Mainly play FPS games * Prefer a lightweight/Wireless mouse * Ill use both Ambi/Ergo mouse A few mouse I've tried * GPRO/GPRO X - A mouse everyone loves, for being the biggest it feels the most awkward in my hand * Lamzu Atlantis mini - Loved this mouse, best aim with this and hump felt best with this mouse out of the 3. Scroll Wheel does what it wants now though * Razer Deathadder V3 hyperspeed - Most comfortable out of the 3 but hump was a bit too far foward. * Glorious Model o - Felt super flat and wide, wasnt a bad mouse though I really haven't been looking at any mice recently so I don't really know what new or top in the game right now. Preferably a mouse like the Lamzu Atlantis Mini would be best or a Ergo mouse like the deathadder v3 hyperspeed size but with a hump farther back. Thanks in advance, everyone have a good one.

started looking at the website to see prices and its intriguing, but it was telling me shipping was 10-15 days. im quite impatient and I cant wait that long, well I can but I rather not you know. I was looking at the EGG op1we, pulsar x2h mini, and the regular xm2we. Which do you think will be most suited out of the 3?

op1 sounds the best out of the 3 even with the thinner and flatter sides, I like the hump placement/height of the alantis mini alot, the sides/width of deathadder feels comfortable with my finger placement 1-1-2, but the sides of the alantis mini feels like itll give me way more control (in which it does) my micro adjustments and flicking aim in general was just amazing with the atlantis mini. With the deathadder my flicks werent bad but my single shot guns and micro adjustments were alot worse. I like the wider back with skinnier front. Do you know any good mice with similar shape/size to the op1/atlantis mini, with the mchose L7 still in the room. Also thank you for your help!

Hyperspeed is smaller and would not be great for 20cm hands

I've just got an Attack shark X11, it stutters when I simultaneously click Mouse 1 and 2 buttons in BF2042. I'm going to return it and get a Razer DeathAdder V3 HyperSpeed, I'm done with trying cheap ass mouses and being let down.

I have acquired a Razer Deathadder V3 Hyperspeed. I am impressed by the quality of the materials used and the low latency, which I believe makes it the best mouse I have ever used. I have previously used the MSI Clutch GM11, Logitech G305 and Attack Shark X11 models.

I get a new mouse every other week, I have a problem.. current have a vxe r1 pro, Corsair sabre v2 and a deathadder v3 hyperspeed. Sabre is my favourite, r1 pro is surprisingly really good for the price, V3 hyperspeed is great too.

you could either trying curling your index and middle finger or get a longer mouse, such as an fk1 or fk1+, or a big ergo mouse like deathadder v3, ec1, or pulsar xlite v3 large.

there is deathadder v3 hyperspeed, although its not the best of the best in specs is deathadder v3 but slightly smaller.

First recommendation - with usual words V3 Pro (any of Razer Viper or Razer Deathadder). It looks You need a big mouse if You used Basilisk V3. Make a look on Zowie EC1-CW or ZA11-C

Your hands are not small - middle hands are from 17 till 19 cm (middle mouse 116-125 mm). So, generally for this hand and palm grip You need mouse 120 - 126 mm, but You feel that 125 mm Superlight is big. It looks a bit strange measure Your hands once again from wrist crease to middle fingertip. You tell that hand is small, but it is not. Taking into account above, I suggest You to go to the first PC shop and found some size of the mouse which is good for You. Anyhow, lets find something for You inbetween 118-122 mm - all of them good. 1. 122 mm Razer DeathAdder V3 HyperSpeed - smaller version of Deathadder V3Pro (one of flagship mouses) 2. 122 mm EGG XM2we - good mouse with optical switches. Not expensive 3. 122 mm ATK Z1 ProMax / Ultra-solid good mouse with best inside. Chinese, good, not expensive. (they have 118 mm ATK F1 - I'm afraid it might be too small for U) 4. 120,4 mm Pulsar X2H v3 or 122 mm Xlite v4 middle size (not Large) - good new mouses with optical switches and sensors... 5. 119 mm LAMZU Maya 4K (not Maya X) or LAMZU Fnatic MAYA 8K - very good mouse, with special top coating, good optical switches and sensor... 6. 118 mm Scyrox V8 or 119 mm scyrox V6 - good chinese mouses with best inside. 7. 118 mm Hitscan Hyperlight - new very good mouse with best inside.

Maybe look at razer deathadder V3 hyper speed

Synapse is still dog water tbh but the mouse has memory. I set settings and update the firmware on my laptop and have never installed synapse on my gaming pc. You could also just uninstall after. Really hope razer will wake up and do a web based software soon.

Pulsar Xlite Crazylight, Deathadder V3 Hyperspeed

>But to pretend they're the same quality as a bigger brand is just copium. I mean there is nothing else like the X2 Crazylight from the higher-end brands so what else am I going to buy?? Razer is refusing to make high-end version of their mini mice, so if we were to compare the wired Viper Mini to the X2 Crazylight, the X2 has better quality outright. I used to own the Viper Mini SE (the magnesium shell) and it broke within a couple of days since one of the shell strut just snapped, my review even got mentioned in a GamersNexus video back in the day about the downsides of magnesium mice. It also has huge friggin holes, small scratchy feet, crap raesha switches, fingerprint magnet coating, and it's heavier overall. I really don't see why the X2 Crazylight is not considered the superior product over the Viper Mini, let alone the Viper Mini SE or the Cobra. Don't even get me started with the Xlite Crazylight compared to their wired Deathadder Mini and DAv3 hyperspeed. I have both on my table right now and the DAv3 HS has started to creak and the top layer coating on the thumb area is beginning to peel, revealing the bare plastic underneath the rubberised coating. My Xlite V3 Mini is still solid and the Xlite Crazylight is somehow more solid than the Xlite V3 and DAv3 HS despite being much lighter (also no more raesha switches). So... X2 Crazylight >Viper Mini / Viper Mini SE / Viper Cobra Xlite Crazylight > Xlite V3 Mini > DA Mini / DAv3 HS

Mouse - Deathadder V3 Hyperspeed  Bought it three weeks ago, after trying many mouses I decided that EC2 style shape is still my favorite. Wanted something less bulky and here is DAv3HS Pad - ATK Sky xSoft Got it together with mouse. I feel the combo is too fast for what I like so I will look more for controled pad - 99g  Keyboard - Dark Project KD98A Bought it on sale for about 40% usual price. For full price its probably not worth and its better to pay a bit extra and go for Wooting or other with Rapid Trigger but for price I bought its great full keyboard. Headphones - Hyperx Cloud III Popular among CS players. Just solid. Not much to say Monitor - AOC 24G2ZU Cheap 240hz. Enough for me. Main Game - CS2

used to main a thorn for about a year until switching to the dav3 hyperspeed. Haven't tried the dex yet but I'm more of a mini ergo guy

I got it with a voucher but prefer dav3 hyperspeed

Nah liking heavier mice is not an unpopular opinion, it's just not as many people wanting to go for heavier mice now which shows in the consumer mouse market. It's the same for monitors where it used to be CRT monitor which phased into TN panels which then phased into IPS panels for preference and now OLEDs. I started with the 229g G602 about 10 years ago to end up with mice under 60g like Pulsar X2v2, Deathadder v3H, and Viper v3 Pro.

Most pros are using either the GPX 2, Razer DAV3 or Razer Viper V3. Mousepads vary a lot because they’re all personal preference there isn’t one mousepad that has significantly better specs than another, IIRC most pros are using the SteelSeries QCK heavy. What’s your actual budget for a mouse? Because there’s literally 100s of them now that will be “good enough” and will definitely be better than what you’re using now. Pulsar.gg makes a lot of good quality cheaper wireless mice (they do have QC issues though so make sure you can return it from wherever you buy it) LAMZU is another cheaper brand that makes high quality mice for cheaper. Razer has cheaper versions of their more popular mice like the DeathAdder V3 hyperspeed and the Viper V3 hyperspeed, their specs aren’t as good as the pro models but still better than what you have now. R/mousereview also has hundreds of people who are more familiar with the cheaper chinese brands and would be able to help you more if you aren’t looking to spend more than $50

I have been using Razer DeathAdder V3 for less then an year and i have it replaced 3 times already and I will get my current DeathAdder V3 replaced again. The mouse keeps disconnecting and reconnecting itself again and again multiple times in a matter of minutes and there's no solution for it. I have already tried deleting synapse and re- installing it, reset the firmware and downloading the new firmware again but nothing works. This mouse is also best as it fits my hand and is comfortable.

Razer DeathAdder V3 series have alot of issue. DeathAdder V3 Pro have scroll wheel issue and dongle issue within the year, DeathAdder V3 hyperspeed has dongle issue and it's smaller then the other 2 mouse

As someone who mained the basilisk v3 for a couple years with a similar hand size… if you really love the shape basilisk v3, I’d say go with the glorious I 2… that said I experimented with other shapes and weights and I love the pulsars xlite v3/4 size 2, deathadder v3 hyperspeed(this version fits our hand size better) and the scyrox v8.

Razer Deathadder v3 hyperspeed. It was like $40 and it's great. If/when this fails ill probably go back to my Zaopin Z1 Pro though. I really like that mouse.

I just bought it as well, coming from a DAV2 mini hit like a truck lol But razer oh razer, why aren't you including grip tapes in the box with this one. Even my old DAV2 mini which was comparatively cheaper had them xD

Can't find any in my region, that's why I'm wondering if I can use aftermarket regular DAV3 or DAV3 Pro Grips on it. Ik dimension wise they are a bit big but they should fit no?

One of my favorite ergos as well next to the dav3 hyperspeed, the right side feels very comfortable and has a lot of room for me to place my fingers. I’ve used the dav3 pro, Lamzu thorn and Xlite v3 but none give me the same performance as this.

The op1 is wayyy smaller than the Dav3 and dav2, and you have 19x10 hands. The op1 8k has the best latency but it’s nothing that should be the reason why you pick it over the other. The DeathAdder v3 is slightly different from the original DeathAdder but it’s still a pretty good mouse and it also has the bigger shape compared to the op1

At that price range DeathAdder V3 Hyperspeed bwst option to buy. Relatively high battery life, low latency and decent build quality. Onw disadvantage is if you have big hand, would be unsatisfied.

Cheap mouse not durable , durable mouse is always expensive. I prefer Razer mouse such as deathadder v3 hyperspeed or cobra wired. My past had the deathadder v2 pro last me 4 years no issues or problems, the battery still good , don’t have swollen issue.

haha, same with me, mine DA v3 HS become mod mouse, its more comfortable for me. very light weight.

Deathadder v3 hyperspeed , np01s ergo

I got it 2 days ago. Great mouse. Hidden gem 19x10 hands. Pincer claw or fingertip or tilted relaxed claw. I love the rounded ledge of the mouse near the rmb

They did a great small edition with the deathadder v3 hyperspeed. It is such a great shape but it's not as mainstream as dav3 or vv3 but for me it's a better mouse than those 2. It is much safer and suitable shape than dav3 pro. Hope they continue to make this sizeand shape mice maybe under a better branding like deathadder mini. Most ppl probably overlook this mouse thinking it's a general hyperspeed which is similar price to the pro. Bad branding.

if you like ergo mice then this is cmpletely different. i have a haste 1 wired. i love the shape its very safe but low profile. it can accommodate many grip types coz of flat sides and no outward front flares. i dont like outward front flare on ambi mice (its there on almost all ergos but it suits them). the shape is suitable for less palm contact or a forward grip if you like palm contact, versatile shape coz of flatter sides and no flaring. my fav mouse is an ergo ie dav3 hyperspeed (mini deathadder) as i tilt my wrist and do pincer claw. if you want a similar shape but more palm conatct get vxe r1 (good ambi mice flat sides and no front flare and safer coz of a normal hump and hence no flat feel)

Try smaller ergos if it doesn't feel precise for u. I use a dav3 hyperspeed which is a mini deathadder.

Deathadder V3 Hyperspeed. Comfortable to hold. Can hold a charge for a long time

I have used Razer DA V3 Pro and it was super comfortable...but the wheel had broken. Decided to give a chance to Razer DA V3 Hyperspeed and it is even better than Pro in my opinion :)

Neither, lol. Viper is not ideal for palm grip while V2 is outdated. Save for Deathadder V3, the model will depend on your budget and hand size. Big hands and wireless - go for Pro. Big hands and you don't mind the wire - go for wired V3. Medium to small hands - go for Deathadder V3 Hyperspeed, which is a perfect mouse for me, an endgame which stopped me from searching further.

dav3 hyperspeed is solid one and kinda cheap

18x9,5cm hand size, after many, many mices i had, tried the G-Wolves Feneir Asym and I fell in love with it. Before I enjoyed a lot: - LAMZU Atlantis Mini (the 4k and upgraded later to champions edition) - Razer Deathadder v3 hyperspeed (for a short period) - Zaopin Z2 Mini (I was performing incredibly well with it and it’s cheap enough for you to try)

In that case I would go with a Deathadder V3/V4 pro, there isnt much difference so it doesn’t really matter. Don’t get a V2 pro because its way too unreliable (I had like 3 and all broke in 4 months) if your hands are mid-small go with Deathadder v3 hyper speed (it’s also cheaper)

Razer deathadder v3 hyperspeed. It's nice. 8k polling 56g realllly good mouse switches (if you are like me and hate Logitechs shitty switches these feel way better.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/s/etT5BShYPS https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/s/6B8ER5IJ6z https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/s/Q1XyPspcbO You can ask other people who have bought the mouse. *** If u wanna go wired, Razer DAV3 is the pick, it's a lil bit over budget but it's probably the best mouse in both raw performance (next what I say is subjective) size and coating. Even if people disagree on the last part, no1 will deny it being the best VFM from a big brand.

19 cms is probably the full sized deathadder but if want something smaller the hyperspeed is the one you need. I had rec'ced a few more shapes in this comment, check those mice and the Eloshapes link, it covers most of the updated ergos i could filter. https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/s/qbHvkGf2V8

By makin holes in the shell, if you meant the rubber getting worn off, dw bout it, the current V3 and V4 models don't use a blob of rubber, it's just a really thin coating now. If I understand the question correctly, Pro on a Razer just means the larger size with all the wireless capabilities. For example, Deathadder V3 means wired, Deathadder V3 Hyperspeed is a smaller version of V3 with wireless and Deathadder V3 Pro means the full size deathadder V3 with wireless 8khz I would as recc you give the Deathadder V3 Pro with the hyperpolling dongle or the V4 pro a try, that's a well reviewed ergo shape although I might be biased on that front, but DAV3 and V4s have a great ergo shape still unbeatable by the budget brands. Logi SL2 Dex is the same shape too but I haven't seen a lot of people here maining it. Outside of Razer and Logitech there are a lot of brands actually, a few good ergos would be Lamzu's Paro, Teevolution's Terra, Pulsar's Zywoo Collab the Chosen One etc If you wanna try a few budget mice I'd recc the new RAWM mice, the ER21 Pro for example. The Gen 2 variants of Rapoo like the VT3 Max Gen 2 are great, so are the Delux M900 Ultra etc I think you should go through Eloshapes website once to browse for shapes, whatever you like, check out reviews of it on YT or websites like Techpowerup and Rtings https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/browse?shape=ergonomic,hybrid&weight=13,76&polling_rate=2003,8000&acceleration=20,88

By makin holes in the shell, if you meant the rubber getting worn off, dw bout it, the current V3 and V4 models don't use a blob of rubber, it's just a really thin coating now. If I understand the question correctly, Pro on a Razer just means the larger size with all the wireless capabilities. For example, Deathadder V3 means wired, Deathadder V3 Hyperspeed is a smaller version of V3 with wireless and Deathadder V3 Pro means the full size deathadder V3 with wireless 8khz I would as recc you give the Deathadder V3 Pro with the hyperpolling dongle or the V4 pro a try, that's a well reviewed ergo shape although I might be biased on that front, but DAV3 and V4s have a great ergo shape still unbeatable by the budget brands. Logi SL2 Dex is the same shape too but I haven't seen a lot of people here maining it. Outside of Razer and Logitech there are a lot of brands actually, a few good ergos would be Lamzu's Paro, Teevolution's Terra, Pulsar's Zywoo Collab the Chosen One etc If you wanna try a few budget mice I'd recc the new RAWM mice, the ER21 Pro for example. The Gen 2 variants of Rapoo like the VT3 Max Gen 2 are great, so are the Delux M900 Ultra etc I think you should go through Eloshapes website once to browse for shapes, whatever you like, check out reviews of it on YT or websites like Techpowerup and Rtings https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/browse?shape=ergonomic,hybrid&weight=13,76&polling_rate=2003,8000&acceleration=20,88

Its not falling for any psyop, I have used several different mouses, optical guarantees 0 double click, I am using Deathadder v3 hyperspeed now with optical, its cheaper and no double clicks ever, regarding the latency the difference from 1ms to 10ms is not percetible by us humans its all bla bla bla

I came from a G305 and Mchose G3 and I adore the shape but G305 is a heavy piece of shit and G3 had a bad sensor. Tried Viper V3 pro, amazing mouse but the size and shape was slightly sub optimal for my palm-claw hybrid grip. DAV3 HS had all the qualities of viper v3 but with a shape that fit like a glove. I ran some valorant TDMs and I was hitting shots that I never had, absolutely love it thus far

I have the VV3 pro too btw, I much prefer DAV3 hs

For me, Lamzu Thorn's and Dav3 Hyperspeed's shapes are the bests.

Razer Deathadder V3 or it's Pro version will be the best for you.

The only thing I'd advise on the NP-01s or ergo variant is that they feel considerably smaller than the DAV3 (even the HS) - I've tried both, and although the shape was great on the NP-01s, the overall size just did not support my hands (18x11). To me, they both felt too narrow, and I found the lack of comfort grooves and smaller back hump not supportive enough to lock my hand either. Vaxee is incredible, but their pricing and lack of returnability make trying their shapes a challenge, especially for bigger hands. If you're willing to wait, I did have a Vaxee rep tell me they're targetting Q1 2026 for the release of the new NP-01 (the bigger variant) that may be better for your hand size (based on the DAV3 HS size). As an aside, you should check cs2 pro settings out. A surprising number of them use the DAV3 Hyperspeed over even the V4 because of the smaller size. Shape remains king :-)

Razer Deathadder v3 hyperspeed is small, sleek, lightweight and all performance. no RGB. Others I’d recommend as others mentioned is Ninjutso Sora V2, Hitscan Hyperlight and Endgame OP1

use Eloshapes to help find a good shape and size for your hand and grip style. sans that, Razer has their [Deathadder V3 hyperspeed](https://www.razer.com/gaming-mice/Razer-DeathAdder-V3-HyperSpeed/RZ01-05140100-R3U1) on sale for $85, it’s on the smaller side but super lightweight and close to performance of their DAV3 pro. I have one I use in my rotation

Deathadder V3 Hyperspeed doesn't come with a braided cable (only regular cable), It's also slightly smaller size. V2 Pro uses a micro USB cable instead of USB-C which to many people is a deal breaker.

Scroll wheel tension, too. The Hyperspeed has more defined steps than the loose Pro.

You're used to the deathadder, so I recommend getting a modern one. The Deathadder V3 Pro, or the Deathadder V3 hyperspeed (slightly smaller deathadder) are really good mice. The Deathadder V4 is coming out soon, so you can wait until that comes out, or you can scoop up a V3 most likely for really cheap.

Definitely the smaller one. The deathadder v3 pro is huge, probably it's biggest con for a lot of people. I have 20x10cm hands and I find the deathadder v3 pro too big. Im a big ergo fan and if you wanted a recommendation outside of the deathadder, I would recommend the Vaxee E1, I freaking love that mouse. It's wireless implementation is top notch, it feels like it's a wired mouse, its a great ergo mouse. And I also really like the Logitech Superlight DEX, it also has amazing wireless implementation, top tier sensor, and a comfortable shape. The deathadder also has great wireless stability and latency. I've realized just how much wirelss implementation plays a factor into how good a mouse feels, Because all modern sensors are so good these days, that wireless stability, latency, and accuracy will play a much bigger difference between which mice feel really good and which ones feel okay. I have found that Logitech, Razer, vaxee, and zowie have the best wireless implementation When ever I use something like my pulsar xlite v4, it feels way more "loose" with big flicks, it feels like it has a subpar sensor compared to the vaxee E1, or the DEX, or the Deathadder v3 pro, but it should be on par with the vaxee e1 and dav3. Do note that the deathadder v3 hyperspeed uses a lower end sensor, it's not even a 3395, but it's wireless stability and latency is sooo good, it'll feel just as good as a pulsar xlite v4 that has the highest end sensor currently, the 3950. Comparing the deathadder v3 pro to.the hyperspeed, I only feel a ever so slight difference, where the hyperspeed feels a little more "loose", a little "faster" with it's fast flicks. Compared to the deathadder v3 pro, it feels a little more "slowed down" with it's big flicks, almost like it has a little more control ability so it feels a little more slowed down as you flick it. I own all these mice and have tested them all extensively.

I feel like everyone's main gripe with the deathadder v3 was it was a touch too large. I was really hoping they would have made the v4 a little smaller. I move the v3 hyper speed but I really wish they would make a v4 pro mini and make it the same size as the v3 hyper speed, as I want the same sensor, wireless dongle as the v4 pro, but in the v3 hyper speed size

no but how the sensor is implemented can make a difference. i'd rather have a "worse" sensor that is implemented well than a "better" one thats implemented poorly. maybe its the unit i received, i dunno but i'm just now trying out a razer deathadder v4 pro and i feel like it has a "floaty" sensor, in comparison the deathadder v3 hyperspeed i tried felt really snappy despite having a "worse" sensor. i remember the first time i tried a vaxee mouse and the thing that stuck out sensor wise was how responsive and snappy it felt compared to other mice i tried using the same sensor. i mean if you can, why not try it out for yourself and get a superlight 2 you can return if its not for you?

the dav3hs is a great mouse in and of itself but when you factor in the price, which can often lower on amazon with sales, it's an even greater pick. some people say the lamzu paro is somewhat similar to the dav3hs, personally i felt it was much closer to the zowie ec3-dw but anyway you may want to check it out. as a side note i returned my paro aurora because the clicks (in particular the right) were not good out the box and only seemed to deteriorate further after only a month but you may have better luck. others to possibly consider are zowie ec2-dw (my current fav ergo) and vaxee e1. some unique ergos that are not like the dav3hs but you may find interesting because they do their own, different thing are vaxee np01s ergo, pulsar jv-x, cherry xtrfy m64 pro, zaopin zpw (a modern steelseries prime mini clone).

Agreed. If you claw or relaxed claw go for the HS. If you palm grip go with the larger option. 18x10 here and I had the Dav3 HS and it was okay. It’s a good size for claw but doesn’t have much palm support if you are looking for a more hand filling experience. I use a relaxed claw grip and even then the back of the shape didn’t provide much support for the right side of my palm.

DAV3 Pro is better but I'd actually recommend the DAV3 Hyperspeed.

Actually it's the other way around. I have both the DAV3Pro as well as the DAV3HS. The Pro's clicks are more spammable, but mushier. The HS has crisper clicks but still not as crisp as a mechanical switch like Huano, and hence more spammable than mice with mechanicals.

i cant tell if ur trashing zowie or the deathadder v2 Lmao. Ur saying the wireless dav2 hyperspeed is better?

thats my opinion too, the v3 deathadder hyperspeed is good tho but 120$ so out of OP price range

he uses the small hyperspeed v3 detahadder

If you like the dav2 then upgrade to dav3 or wait for dav4, dav3 hyperspeed is a smaller version of the dav3 pro, viper V3 hyperspeed is an ambidextrous mouse similar shape to the lamzu Maya x

You're welcome, idk when it's coming out but it's razer they will announce it in this subreddit once it's ready, jks and Niko is using the dav4. You can always try the dav3 hyperspeed

Deathadder V3 is good XM2 8k you can claw and palm this mouse

Deathadder V3 has light clicks but the shape is slightly different compared to the deathadder elite

If he likes the g703 then consider the teevolution terra or for a different ergo shape I recommend the deathadder V3

V3 or the v3 hyperspeed maybe you can try the vaxee E1 or the goat ec2-cw

Deathadder V3 hyperspeed is just a small version of the dav3 and dav3 pro Basilisk v3 is bad many buttons and heavy you don't need those for fps games. Viper v3 pro and dav3 or dav3 pro is my pick here

Deathadder V3

No mouse companies clone this type of shape only steelseries if you want to try a different shape then I recommend the deathadder V3 hyperspeed or zowie ec2-cw

Just so you know the dav3 hyperspeed doesn't have Bluetooth but my pick here would be the dav3 hyperspeed I don't like the basilisk and the rubber grip that will turn shit.

Yeah I want them to copy the design of zowie EC when I hold my ec3-c it's a comfortable and smooth design while the dav3 has this jagged edges.

DAV3 or ec2-c if you want a solid fps mouse

DAV3 is larger than the ec2-c it will be a palm grip imo the ec2-c is much better for hybrid grip

Either the dav3 hyperspeed, E1, ec2-cw or you can wait for the dw version good for relaxed claw based on your hand size the ec3-cw since it's shorter you will have to aggressive claw it, specs doesn't matter on these mice because you won't notice a difference other than the shape/size and weight

alright then the VV3 hyperspeed will be a step up in terms of size just so you know the shape will be different.

Gl I hope you like the shape of the vv3

Ergonomic mice like the deathadder V3 hyperspeed, zowie ec2-dw/ec3-dw the classic shape

Maybe you can try the dav3 hyperspeed it is a different shape compared to the old deathadder shape/size the dav3 hyperspeed is basically a smaller Dav3 pro, or the ec3-dw shorter length but keeps the width of the ec2 and lower hump. If you don't like ergo try the x2 crazy light medium this is a symmetrical mouse with a wider flat sides shorter than the fk2 120mm length, and has a bit of a hump towards the back

Yeah gl with that I would skip the dav3 and replace it with the dav3 hyperspeed, hyperx depending on the model but currently their haste 2 wireless sucks and suffer from wireless performance, I don't have experience with Maya and x2v2, u2 I have that mouse it's slimmer than the s2 sides but overall bigger

Testing mice is a gamble you know we've all been there, that's why people in this subreddit have a lot of mice, some people are built differently and they can adapt to any mouse shapes and sizes. Well you shouldn't because it's a different shape compared to the old deathadder you can look it up on eloshapes, the dav3 hyperspeed has less front flair. Gl to you man.

Looks like you have a tilted grip style I recommend the deathadder V3 for this

Deathadder V3 hyperspeed or zowie ec2-cw

Skip the VV3 pro and dav4 I recommend the superlight 2c or dav3 hyperspeed size is better for your small to medium hands

If you have medium to large hands get the Dav3 really good value, small to medium hands check out the xlite v3 medium wired or a zowie ec2-c 3 sizes available 1 is the large size, 2 is medium size, 3 small size

Palm - deathadder V3, attack v6, eweadn x21/15, delux m900, mchose a7 re Fingertip - darmoshark m3 v2

I both have dav3 HS and the pulsar xlite v3 medium(for reference if that helps). I could say that dav3 is more comfortable for long hours, depending on your grip style(i do palm/relaxed claw). I used them both for work and gaming, but I think the problem with my pulsar is that the hump is a bit high and placed a bit forward than the HS. Don't mind the weight as they aren't that noticeable when using.

Look into the Razer deathadder v3 hyperspeed, it's the one I decided to go with after using the superlight since it released. Its slightly over your budget, but I managed to find one yesterday for 90 CAD new on eBay. But continue to do your research and find what's suited for you.

There are exceptions like the Deathadder v3 Hyperspeed. I purchased that mouse for around \~$70 and it's been my main for quite a while. But for the most part, these Chinese clones will give way better value.

Amazing! You could definitely improve the ergonomics of the mouse and possibly how you use it. I'd highly recommend a nice ergonomic mouse. Unfortunately, im not super verses in multi button mice. I would recommend something lighter, slightly lower profile and trying to rest your entire palm on the mouse to alleviate wrist pressure/tension. The death adder hyper speed v3 looks to me like a good fit size wise for your hands, and weighs considerably less than a basilisk which will help reduce fatigue over time. You can get one for 100 bucks new and I think it's a great fit ergonomically, the only thing missing is the extra buttons where it is short by one.

Very cool! I’ll check those out. I love the pulsar X3 recently but the DaV3 has had a great fun for me most of this year

Without knowing your hand size it’s hard to say but my hands are quite large. I reccomend the EC1 or the Death Adder as a starting place for size as I have large hands as well. Neither is under 50 dollars, for a gaming wireless mouse with a better sensor than an MX I’m not sure of any options. Check Eloshapes.com . Search for a death adder or the ec1 and then click “find similar”.

Looks like a fingertip grip, technically extended fingertip (straight flat fingers) with a little upper palm contact. You can use a lot of mice with this grip, but for big hands death adder is a great choice. A lot of people with this grip also benefit from flatter mice to avoid wrist extension.

You don’t have to, but it’s a solid option. Death adders are great mice so if you aren’t having any issues, there’s no real need to change in this case and there’s plenty of options ranging from the wired death adder v3 for around 50 bucks to the new wireless v4 for loke 180 . If you wanted another mouse for no reason (like just to collect) then I’d go for something super diff just for fun lol. An X2 from pulsar is a good flat mouse that works with extended fingertip well but it’s a lot smaller than a death adder and may not be ideal for your hand size.

You’ve got big hands so the dav3/4 and ec1 are wonderful shapes for ya. For comparison the ec1 feels a little flatter and longer and the dav is a bit more rounded feeling

My favourites of the Deathadder line right now are the Deathadder V3 Hyperspeed (smaller in hand and very maneuverable) or the Deathadder V3 Wired (insane value and very stable in hand)

Dav3 wired if you want to go comfort and ergo route, aiming will be a bit more stable. OP18K if you want the more maneuverable feel in your hand. If you want the best of both worlds and are willing to charge it on occasion I suggest looking into the Dav3 hyperspeed. It’s smaller in the hand so you get both advantages of the mice you mentioned. Best of luck!

I was also looking for wired mice so I checked some of them out. I had both the OP1 and DAV3 and returned them for exact opposite reasons. OP1 was too small / narrow, got hand cramps after a while. DAV3 was too big, though I was able to handle it, I prefer a medium size. Both have great performance but here are some infos I've noticed: OP1 scrollwheel middle click had double click issues on my unit. Middle click was also a bit too stiff for my taste. DAV3 also had scrollwheel related issues, scrolling up was scratchy, and you could activate the middle click by tilting the wheel slightly to the right. I havent checked it out, but for wired mouse the Asus TUF M4 Air might be a viable option as well. It is cheap and has [great click latency according to Techpowerup.](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-tuf-m4-air/5.html) It has 0.4ms click latency.

I wasnt able to find a wired mouse that suits me. Though you have already picked the best current wired mouse out there. It's worth to check them out if you insist on wired mouse and hopefully you like one of them. Frankly there are not many options left for a wired mouse that has low latency etc. and is lightweight too. Currently I have the Dav3 Hyperspeed, which is a smaller version of the DAv3, but its wireless. It's okay, definitely better size for my hands, but not ideal either. I found this to be borderline too small. I still have return option so I might keep it not sure. Otherwise I own an old Logitech office mouse, which is what I was using to pass the time until there is something like a wired Viper V3 or Maya X lol. Probably never will happen. Edit: was thinking to check out the ASUS TUF M4 Air, though I can already tell i won't like the feeling of the holes. But its wired, lightweight and has great latency and is cheap, so.

If you don’t wanna mess with wires, I recently upgraded my death adder elite, to a death adder v3 hyperspeed wireless. It’s got 100 hour battery it’s great. And I’ve only charged it twice since I got it.

Palm grip? A superlight 2, ATK A9 Pro or Ultra (superlight clone), or a deathadder v3 hyperspeed

After years of faithful service by the G502 I wanted to get a sidegrade mostly for my laptop, and I got a word from other people how much they love their superlight mice so I took a look for a few. I got my hands on the **Razer Deathadder v3 Hyperspeed**. As for why it is not included in the pictures, that's because I have already returned it... so that should be an indication of how this review will go. The surface felt smoother an nicer to the touch. The buttons were very firm and clicky in comparison, especially the scroll wheel. That's not necessarily a good or a bad thing, it just feels very different to use. All this makes the Razer MUCH louder so keep that in mind. At just 55 grams (compared to the chonky G502 with 120 grams) it really felt like I was holding nothing at all, it really changed my approach to the mouse. Though much more consequential was the shape - I did not really like it. I have a big hand and so I had to adjust my grip to be more "claw" like as the razer is smaller in every dimension, also the right half slopes downward a lot. My hand hurt a little after a few hours of use. So I've returned the Razer and resumed my search, and found a superlight that people said had the shape of the G502 - the **Mchose G7**. I've had a lot of doubts considering it was so much cheaper than the Razer (€120 vs €34 standart price, though I ended up getting it on a sale for just €16 on Aliexpress). The surface is simple plastic without any coating so it slides off easily off the hand - thankfully Mchose included the rubbery stickers you see in the pic, they help A LOT with keeping my hand on the mouse (I ended up getting similar mouse for the G502, mostly just to cover up the wear and tear haha). The buttons felt very similar to the Razer - clicky and loud though not worse in quality. Only the side buttons felt a tiny bit cheaper, though still perfectly fine. Weighing 59 grams it also feels like nothing. But what really won me over was the shape. From the dimensions to the slopes, it's basically a lightweight version of G502. My big hand sits perfectly on it, just as it had on the Logitech now with the benefits of the lower weight (of course with the downside of missing the crazy metal scroll wheel and the extra buttons). I work from home so it gets at least 8 hours of daily use and the battery lasts for about two weeks. But how does it compare to the two in **Kovaaks**? I set each mouse at 1600 DPI and got to testing. In the screenshots you can see the table, a graph of the values and a screenshot of how the test looks. Under the table you can see a score average and under that the percentual improvement/loss over the G502. **Apex legends Benchmark - sliding sphere** I gave each mouse 21 tries (arbitrary number lol). In this test you're supposed to trach the sliding and bouncing ball from side to side, up and down. Razer here gets +7% score over the G502 and the Mchose gets whopping +18.2%. The lower weight seems to help both of the lightweights quite a bit with the tracking, but with the combination of the shape, the Mchose easily carries it home. **1wall 6targets small** A test for quick flicks. The weight does not seem to mater at all here. Razer loses with -2.97% and Mchose gets +0.24%. Pretty insignificant differences. **n0ted aimbot 2022 - Centering | 180** A test for horizontal tracking. Razer gets +1.6% and Mchose +2.3%. Small differences, the weight or shape do not seems to make much of a difference in horizontal tracking. **Apex Crylix - Narrow Strafe** Another test for horizontal tracking. Razer loses with -6.25% and Mchose gets -0.28%. This was just 5 tries for each mouse so maybe Razer would eventually catch up. **Apex Crylix - Ascended Tracking 90 Small** A test for both horizontal and vertical tracking. Razer gets +4.39% and Mchose +14.27%. Pretty solid win, though it was also just 5 tries for each. Conclusion: Seems like the lower weight helps a bit with the aim, even though I really did not like the shape of the Razer. But then the benefit of the Mchose's shape really pushes it to the top (though of course the shape preferences are subjective). Curiously, where the benefits really come into play seems to be especially full horizontal and vertical tracking. Mchose provides all that for a fraction of Razer's price so I am very happy with it.

Is your left button wobble/side play/grinding? A French youtube reviewer got the mouse and showed the button problem in the video

I had the same problem with the brand new unit. After heavy use for about 2 weeks, the right button feels tighter, and the clicking noise and wobble were almost gone

Deathadder V3 Hyperspeed team here! Got some Supergrip tape on it as I find it a bit slippery. Best mouse owned so far. Came from a Logitech G703 (love that mouse but the rubber sides wore down to bare plastic).

Yessir on the money. I have a Deathadder v3 but it's just a little too wide and my hand hurts after a few hours

DAv3 Hyper speed is your best bet if you're looking for a palm Razer mouse on a budget, unless you want the bigger DAv3 wired. It's just slightly larger than the hyperspeed

V3 Pro is rougher. V4 Pro feels more smooth and is rubber (like Viper V3 Pro/Hyperspeed, and Deathadder V3 Hyperspeed). I have the white V3 and I personally don’t mind it at all. Edit: I would say if you have smaller hands, get the Deathadder V3 Hyperspeed. It’s smaller than the Pro, and still a great performer.

Deathadder V3 Pro and Hyperspeed are great mice. Both same price on Amazon. Hyperspeed version is a bit smaller so get that if you have average or smaller hands. I love the ergo shape cuz my hand never gets tired during longer gaming sessions. There is the V4 Pro too but it’s almost $100 more expensive and you won’t really notice a difference.

There is a version of the V3 Pro that comes with an 8K dongle. I tried the Viper V3 Pro with 2K, 4K, and 8K. Didn’t notice a difference. 8K actually made my games a bit stuttery cuz it uses so much CPU, and I have a 5800X3D… So it’s nice to have but honestly I’m fine with 1K. 2K is probably the max I’d set it, even with my 360hz OLED monitor. I do think the size of the mouse should be your main concern in choosing between the V3 Pro and Hyperspeed.

I agree with you that it feels big atleast for me in the beginning. I tried using my maya x a couple of days after recieving this and it felt so much easier hitting targets, but i decided to keep going with the dav4 because the shape is for me like i forget im holding a mouse, so smooth. And after a couple of days playing a mix of fortnite, hmw, pubg and eft i find the dav4 much better in performance. At first it felt slow and a bit to big but after playing with it for some time i will have to say that i have never played better. In pubg for example which i used to play a lot, i never manage to get good recoil control but now its like i have zero recoil and i hit shots and flicks like never before. So after im sticking with it. I also have 20x10cm hand size and relaxed claw- im also coming from the g303 shroud and maya x. I tried the dav3 hyperspeed at a friends house, for i find it maybe a tad to small to be a comfortable ergo for me :-)

the deathadder v3 hyperspeed is smaller. dav3 wired/pro is ever so slightly smaller because it doesn't have the flared out edges like the dav2 does, but they both feel pretty similar in hand from what I remember (I have the dav3 wired and v2 hyperspeed)

if you want an ergo more like the model d, i recommend the razer deathadder v3 (if you don't like that you could look at the pulsar xlite series or at zowie ec2)

I am toying with the DAV3 HS right now. I like it but I prefer my Pulsar Xlite V3 Size 1 . It's a shorter mouse and easy to control imo. It's all subjective though because everyones hand is different.

Im master dps and support in overwatch and I main this mouse and it feels like aimbot sometimes so I get what you mean. Other ergos ive tried are dav3 pro, gpx dex, and ec2-dw but none of them felt as good as the dav3 hs so I sold them. Currently im testing out the ec3-dw but the lmb/rmb are kinda short not sure how I feel about it so I still need to try it out extensively but I dont see it replacing the deathadder. For reference my hands are a bit smaller than yours at 19 x 10.

Razer DeathAdder V3 HyperSpeed. I have it and like it

iirc deathadder essentials is just a cheap deathadder. (edit: comparable to ec1) a smaller deathadder would be deathadder hyperspeed with front flares, which would be comparable to ec2

we are talking about a dude here who spent over a decade at 3000dpi with deathadder... like, there are many variables that come into factor for forearm or handpain... when i bought the viper v3pro for me i did love it. its an amazing mouse but it gave me RSI constantly. switched to dav3pro smooth touch cause of the vv3pro coating and am in love like never before with the least amount of RSI. but honestly im not sure what point you are trying to make... do you flame the deathadder? or the fact that it gets fingertiped aswell by most people who use it, cause you go into fingertip grip naturally when you aim down with this mouse during palmgrip? forwarded humps do not fill the middle of the hand in palmgrip.

Hello everyone, I'm looking for a comfortable lightweight ergo gaming mouse my hand size is 19.5 x 10.5 I have tried both the dav3 pro and the dav3 hyperspeed but the dav3 pro did feel to big and the hyperspeed to small. Something in between those sizes would have been perfect I had a deathadder v2 pro back in the day which i absolutely loved the shape of. I have checked on eloshapes and found some suggestions like the xlite v4 would this be a good mouse to get or is there something even better?

Went through a ton of mice cause its a small hobby of mine. Concluded that shape/ergonomics is king. Fingertip grip - small hand. I currently use a Razer Hyperspeed DAv3. Eyeing the upcoming Logitech Superstrike to see if haptics are a gimmick or not (they probably are, lol). I use a vertical mouse for work to change up the hand position. Previous tried mice: * Superlight DEX - Logitech, reliable software, shape was a bit too big for my hands. Great otherwise. * G203 - Got like 2-3 copies of it, oldest one being when it released way back when. Extremely good budget mouse. I prefer ergonomic shape rather than symmetrical shape nowadays though. * Viper Mini - One of my favorite shapes but kept having QC issues. Scroll wheel would break. I'm wary of Razer nowadays even though I currently use one - fingers crossed. * Glorious Model O- -Buggy software kept reseting my button programs, so I ragequit Glorious.

I think DA is a large mouse and is ergo. At least for me (with 19cm). I feel DA V2 and DA V3 Pro too larger for my taste. DA V3 Hyperspeed it’s much more comfortable because of its smaller size.

I like this mouse. I dont like middle or rear sensor because I use fingers for micro adjustment. This mouse is perfect.

Tried a bunch of ergos and this is my ranking of them Dav3 pro>outset ax>dav3 hyperspeed>pulsar xlite v2 mini>ec2a>ajazz aj179 Im a cs player with 18x10cm hands and always thought I’d prefer smaller mice, but I actually ended up liking the bigger ones

I recently found out that I basically have the exact same grip as the cs player Niko (relaxed claw with the ring finger fully straight) The dav3 hyperspeed was definitely not bad, but it didn't fill the back of my palm as well and it didnt allow me to fully extend my ring finger (my finger would extend past the top right edge of the mouse). If your hands are smaller than mine, definitely go for the hyperspeed. If they're bigger, go for the dav3 pro. If they're about the same size, you might like both :)

going from a viper mini to hyperspeed v3 feels good for now ngl only 1 problem weight..but in the time period of me changing mouse i took an 100gm mouse so i got used to it..

V3 hyper speed 😉

I used to avoid razer but my girlfriend got me a v3 hyperspeed that's lasted a few years so far

I used to avoid razer but my girlfriend got me a v3 hyperspeed that's lasted a few years so far

I used to avoid razer but my girlfriend got me a v3 hyperspeed that's lasted a few years so far

I think you can make the case that the best value mice from a major brand both belong to Razer: The V3 Wired and V3 Hyperspeed. If you want a big ergo mouse and don't mind the wire, the V3 is great. The Hyperspeed in my opinion is the better shape for most people, and the quality is out of this world. You can really tell they borrowed a lot of the design elements from the V3HS on the Pro (bigger and better skates, tighter scroll wheel, improved side buttons). If you like the V3 but always found it to be too big, you can get the Hyperspeed and usually it's on sale for $60-75.

This is normal.Is cause you have dry hands.Happens the same to me,(same mouse)nothing wrong with the coating.Try glossy coating,it's like glue but difficult to justify these days..Instead of spitting into your hand, try breathing into it a few times until it becomes slightly moist.

Hello,i will share my two cents here and try to give some tips that I learned with this exact same grip style(19x10).Not saying you can't adapt to any mouse,i just will give my thoughts on what I found more optimal.What works best for me are mid hump mice,kind of a Fk1/Fk2 with bigger middle hump.Low profile buttons are a no go.Flat sides works best but with a little dented sides to lift the mouse if you use low sensitive.Ergonomic mice works well, comfortable,no pain but is missing right palm support and makes you tilt your hand more and do a forward palm grip,not a problem but I prefer ambi mice for competitive.Front flare mice works really well if the mouse is small or short but no so much if it's already medium or Large.Back humb like M42,mm711,X2h kind of works but restricted if you do microadjustments with your fingers,less noticeable if the mouse is smaller.My picks would be Maya x or S2(or a clon,Helios 2 pro)Deathadder Hyperspeed would be good too if you curl a little your ring and pinkie,if they are fully extended then the bigger brother,V3 ,but I find that it's too bulky.Hope it helps and puts you in the right direction.

Hi there,I appreciate the comment..I just saw your post and your grip ..I would say you have kind of a pincer claw/forward palm hybrid style with a  pretty steep tilt.You really like to have your ring and pinky fingers on the edge and because you have short hands for that mouse(gpx)you are forced to rise your wrist and compromise health and stability.I would recommend for you a medium/small size ergonomic mouse.Deathadder Hyperspeed, Pulsar xliteV3 medium or small,lamzu thorn,zowie ec2-c or even ec3-c could fit you well, something in that line, doesn't have to be expensive,maybe a Chinese medium ergo with good sensor to see how you like it.You should try if you like medium or small better..Hope it helps...

Hi there.Yeah,It seems that you are more comfortable with a small ergo mouse. Unfortunately there's is not much demand for that and there's few options.I would go with the Zaopin Z2 mini if you can only get it on AliExpress.Its not a true ergo,kind in between of ambi and ergo but it could fit you well.

I've really been liking the deathadder hyperspeed if you want something smaller than the pro.

Some deathadder (didnt last a week) but afytwr G203 prodigy and went to a point where i had like 5 g203 cuz people didnt like the shape. I still have my og in his original box And another g203 with the k4mi lightweight shell printed in nylon which still on my rotation.

Hyperspeed but if you need something smaller. Being honest, if you not hard gaming or not a top notch you wouldn´t even notice the difference between sensor. AttackShark R1 (QC issues, if you aren´t willing to put hands on it, ignore it) or the big and handsome brother. **Metapanda P1** and well know brand **ATK Z1** (haven´t tried it yet but got some good feedback about it) Sizes :[ Eloshapes](https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=metapanda-p1-vs.-razer-deathadder-v3-hyperspeed-vs.-attack-shark-r1-vs.-atk-z1-ultra)

my current DeathAdder Hyperspeed is about 6 years old and going strong... It replaced two DeathAdders that represent a total 14 years of service.

my current DeathAdder Hyperspeed is about 6 years old and going strong... It replaced two DeathAdders that represent a total 14 years of service.

my current DeathAdder Hyperspeed is about 6 years old and going strong... It replaced two DeathAdders that represent a total 14 years of service.

Deathadder v3 is insanely great, try the updated one. The scroll wheel is better and they got rid of the grippy sides, it’s a dream come true.

I’ve been through most of the FPS mice. Zowie, Razer, Logitech, Roccat, almost everything under the sun. I’m so satisfied using the Deathadder v3 and the Basilisk v3, with these editions I feel like Razer has the best shape, even better than EC2, and they really ironed out the major issues that plagued the older mice (side pads coming unglued, wheel issues, etc.) Shoutout to the G403, I probably logged more hours in that mouse than anything else. As someone who chased perfection a long time, my only takeaway would be that get something comfortable, affordable and easy to replace, I prefer optical switches for longevity.

OP1 8K v2 is about $90 I think. That’s on the smaller side, and it’s well regarded as one of the best (if not categorically the best) mice for FPS. Even best mouse overall, it outperforms just about everything. Do you prefer symmetrical or ergonomic? The Razer Deathadder v3 is often on sale for $50-70, in my opinion it’s no slouch, it’s ergonomic. Much less of a performer as the OP1 but it is pretty decent. It’s large tho. If you’re interested in Pulsar their mini’s on the smaller size and I’ve seen some models (like x2 v2) on Amazon marked down to $70-90. Those will be wireless and are good. Pulsar also has an XLite (ergo) or X2 (wired) for $50, those are awesome choices IMO.

Lamzu Maya X for non-ergo. For ergo try an Xlite Crazylight or Deathadder V4 Pro. Hitscan is only direct, that’s not such a large mouse anyways. Do you know if you prefer ergo (like curved/shaped to your hand) or symmetrical? That’s a big factor. The Crazylight series is really good, I think you may be shocked by how light they are though heh (in the neighborhood of 40g). Something like Deathadder may be a good middle ground, V4 Pro is recommended but for more affordable you can find V3 Pro or Hypersoeed. That’s an ultra tried tested and true shape, Razer software kinda stinks, but once you’ve set it up you can just avoid or uninstall it.

Only right answer Razer deathadder

DAV3 is the best I have used in my opinion

I have always used wired but i recently bought a razer deathadder v3 wireless. And its quite nice to not have the cord, mouse movement feels better and desk looks cleaner. And the battery last for more than a week of several gaming hours everyday. Also charging it takes like 15 min to charge it to full and i can still use with the charging cable.

Mostly, but if there *is* RGB on a mouse that is more oriented towards performance (comfortable shape, lower weight), it'll only be a very small application The Razer Deathadder V3 Pro/Hyperspeed and Razer Viper V3 Pro are some examples. Those mice have a small LED strip above the mouse wheel that can indicate DPI levels and battery life, as they are wireless internal battery mice

I use a xxxl razer mat and a wireless deathadder v3

G502 X or X Plus. Literally that's it, I mean Razer has their basilisk but they feel ever so slightly different in the hand, never used the Basilisk V3 which is the only one with a sniper button I think, but I have used the og hyper speed, and the hump feels different in the hand, not bad just different. Oh and the Glorious Model I 2 It is the mouse that weighs the least out of all the options, the cheapest, and one I have wanted to try for a while but it is also in the same shape category, and has extra buttons.

Same here, had 2 Deathadder one of them was even the latest version and in less than 2 years for both they started double clicking. I’m currently using a Corsair Katar and has been great so far!

Same here, had 2 Deathadder one of them was even the latest version and in less than 2 years for both they started double clicking. I’m currently using a Corsair Katar and has been great so far!

Same here, had 2 Deathadder one of them was even the latest version and in less than 2 years for both they started double clicking. I’m currently using a Corsair Katar and has been great so far!

I'm surprised you've had scrollwheels die on you. I play apex regularly using scroll wheel for jumping and tap strafing with a WL Sword X magnesium for a year and I've yet to experience any issues. I also like the fact that they don't require a program to be downloaded to change mouse settings and is just a web portal. Your experience may differ but I found it way better than my Deathadder V3, Superlight 1 and 2 as well as Razer Viper. It isn't the lightest mouse around, but I have larger hands and it fits well with claw grip for me personally.

Coming from a viper mini it feels a bit bigger, not sure about the grip. The comfort is somewhere in the middle.

Yes correct I had the Viper mini for 3 years and it was great. Used my friends Cobra as well, felt similar weight and form factor. Switched to this V3 and feels a lil bit bigger than Viper mini, the comfort is somewhere around the middle. Appreciate your suggestion mate.

The largest thing I found is the Razer Deathadder V3/V3 Pro. All others have smaller shapes. Btw i'm in search of a bigger custom upper shape that can be fitted into DAV3. In the past a good large mouse i have is A4tech Outlook 8k

I was searching for me but anyway i bought Deathadder V3. If you look at the eloshapes site on measurements that's the biggest mouse

It's an asymetrical right hand shape, people usually call it an ergo mouse, though it's not truly one, just fits snuggly. If you like the shape, I would just get a newer iteration. The V2 has the same shape, updated sensor and no double clicking due to optical switches, though you can only find this one used. V3 has a bit different shape (still DeathAdder just less grooves), no RGB, lighter weight, again updated sensor (with up to 8K polling) and better switches with even lower latency. Both has HyperSpeed or Pro variants if you want wireless.

Not sure if you want to but you could look up used mice as well. I managed to get mice like the G502 X, Basilisk V3, DeathAdder V2/V3 for under 30$ each (usually 1.5-2x the price new around here so it might not be an option for you). I thought the thumb rest was a necessity for me as well but in the end the DeathAdder shape is what fits my hand perfectly.

Redragon one reminds me of deathadder v3 which I own, the hyperX one reminds me of viper. Depends really which grip/handsize.

The Deathadder V3 actually has lower click latency than the Superlight 2. You won't notice a difference in terms of sensor performance. Use whichever one has a more comfortable shape to you.

For me is the opposite. I like hourglass-shaped mice 'cause they allow me to tuck my two spare fingers without getting my hand cramped. Straight ambis or the ones that are too narrow make my hand cramped in that specific area. But, my preferred shape are ergos, specifically the ones with a similar shape as the DAV3, cause they slightly lift my hand off that area and I can play more comfortably.

My DAV3 had scroll issues , replaced it and happened again after 4 months not gonna reccomend it, i bougth Superligth 2, i assume if you want ergo Superligth 2 Dex would be better

I love wired so I use razer deathadder v3

I had a v3 large that I loved that I forgot on an airplane, bought a v4 and the left click was fucking horrendous. Mushy, tons of post travel and a massive gray area where you're not sure if you're double clicking or not because the feedback is so mushy. Ended up having to take the mouse apart and swap the switches between M1 and M2, atleast left click feels good now. Not opposed to just buying replacement switches but for a $100 mouse that's kinda sad.

Hi guys, pretty much what the title says, I asked yesterday for recommendations to upgrade from GproX Superlight for something bigger since my hands are big. I think the Deathadder is still small. what do you think?

Thx man! Yeah indeed I think the Deathadder still feels small lol, I don't see any positive changes using it compared to the Superlight. Tbh my hands are 21x11cm and I've tried other grips but it goes to that position unconsciously. IMO it's not uncomfortable but it's not a 10, I lack consistency sometimes even though I don't apply any kind of strain on the mouse. FYI, mice I had: G203, deathadder chroma, viper 8khz (goat lateral stability), GproX Superlight.

It was in a Saturn shop, there's a Razer section with some things u can try out. Even some gaming PCs. So I went there to check my grip on the Deathadder v3

I like wired ergo mouse and have small hands. Curious what would you recommend. Currently I own a DAV3 (wired, bit too big for my hand) and my main that I really like is the zowie ec3-c. Is there anything "better" for me out there?

whatever fits your hand best / you find most comfort in personally i use a deathadder v3 with a cable but anything with decent polling rate and a good sensor does the trick as long as it fits you ergonomically

I’m in the same boat as you, big hands and also used to have a deathadder. Id say the deathadder is about as big as they come, but you could try something like a Zowie EC1, similar shape but a bit bigger.

I have pretty gigantic hands (around 22x11.5), I've tried a lot of the biggest mice that are still relatively lightweight (ZA11, FK1+, Deathadder V3, Mountain Makalu 67, Glorious Model D), and none of them quite provide the seamless comfort I've looked for for my entire mouse journey. I'm now kind of in a mental battle where I'm doing playing a lot of valorant and doing aim training, but my aim is still lacking, and I'm wondering if I'm just not gifted at all, or if it has to do with the fact that no mouse is truly comfortable for me. Should I just try to DIY my own massive, light-ish mouse at this point? Or should I get one of those mice that's really big but also super heavy and hope it'll be okay for competitive fps? Or should I just git gud? All kinds of help and tips are appreciated. If a genie suddenly appeared in front of me and offered me anything right now, my wish would be a 60 gram, 140cm long G Pro Superlight, lmao. TLDR - I have big ass hands and need help

I've thought about that as well, the transition period just seems quite daunting, I feel like I've already wasted so much time trying so many mice and making small adjustments to my grip style, with no marked improvements in game comfort wise. On the other hand, fingertip probably is the one style that really does work for any handsize, plus I could then use wireless mice again (cause the biggest of the biggest mice are all zowie and wired). Maybe I'll go for it, if I don't get any more actionable suggestions under this post

So, I actually used pincer claw for a while. That was basically my natural grip for years, probably exactly because it was a bit more suitable for big hands, and I owned a Deathadder Essential for a while (that was my first gaming mouse), but something about it didn't feel right in-game. It's been a while since I used it now, so it's a bit hard to remember what it was, but it just felt like my grip would tighten up too much against my will in comp fps, and it didn't feel super comfortable for long periods. Could just be though that I need to work on my tension control. I'm down to give pincer claw another go. I do really love my Deathadder V3, it's probably my favorite mouse just in terms of it's clicks, weight, scroll-wheel, and coating especially. But something about it just didn't feel as precise as I wanted in-game.

Razer dav3, pulsar xlite, pwnage stormbreaker, zowie ec2cw just to name a few. There are so many ec clones on the market nowadays so I am probably missing a few notable ones

I have a Razer Deathadder V3 and a Viper that I really like. Liked the Logitech G703 as well. My keyboard is some basic $8 USB one.

Razer Deathadder V3/V4 would be my suggestion

The deathadder v3 and v4 are both wireless. Grip type is easy to determine... - large section of your palm rest on top of the mouse = palm grip - only part of your palm is in contact with the back side of the mouse, mouse is primarily held by your thumb and fingers on the side of the mouse = claw grip - only your fingers are in contact with your mouse, your palm does not touch the mouse = fingertip grip

well if you think its too small i used [https://www.eloshapes.com/](https://www.eloshapes.com/) to find a mouse relative to my previous mouse zowie ec-1. my hand size is the same as yours with that being said I tried the razer deathadder v3 and it was too skinny for me. it all comes down to preference and how you hold your mouse anyway. i ended up getting the pulsar xlite v4 large (size 3) and i enjoy it.

You aren't alone. I sold my Deathadder V2 to upgrade to a V3 without realizing they made it smaller. Could never get over the shape difference, returned the V3 and rebought a V2 lol. If you got big hands, then you know this cannot be compromised.

Razen deathadder v3 is great, especially if u have big hands. Comes wireless and wired, i have the wired one. Its super light and performs really good. But be aware the mouse breaks easy. On lost clutch and one punch was all it took to kill my first v3. But using it was such a great experience that i bought another one, that im using right now (about half a year in total)

Thinking about getting the V3 with the charging dock, I think the thumb rest on the side is super nice and elegant, but I think I'll try the DeathAdder v3 first and see if I like it too.

Thanks, I'm between it with the Charging Dock and the DA V3

Thank you all for the suggestions, after some time I managed to get the Deathadder V3 wired version, I really like it https://preview.redd.it/tkub24a5a1hf1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c39b22541a37ca94acfcf56cbe6f248e0f74b48c

You do have a pretty good mouse. It can do 8k with a dongle, under 2ms latency. I have those internals in a Viper Mini SE shell that I had 3D printed in nylon. It is not noticably different in performance to my DAV3. I'm not saying you shouldn't upgrade. I'm just saying what you have is closer to the best gaming mouse out there than it is to a random Bluetooth wireless mouse from the corner store. That being said, most "better" mice will be lighter. If you want a weighty mouse, with premium features, look for something like a used Logitech G502 or G502X, or Razer Basilisk. Those RTS ready mice have a lot of extra buttons, but are also heavier. Most gaming focused mice go for lightest weight possible. As a result, even $160 Logitech and Razer offerings tend to feel cheap. At least, cheap if you equate weight to quality. Which, most people do before they try a super light class mouse. To each their own.

I have a Death Adder 2 and 3 and will probably be picking up the new ultralight pro later this year. The shape and feel really is just perfect.

I have a Death Adder 2 and 3 and will probably be picking up the new ultralight pro later this year. The shape and feel really is just perfect.

I have a Death Adder 2 and 3 and will probably be picking up the new ultralight pro later this year. The shape and feel really is just perfect.

The best ones in my opinion is the Dav3, Vaxee E1, Gpro Dex or wait for the EC2-DW.

if that's the case, then it should probably have good build quality since my scyrox is probably better built than my DAV3. I'm really not sure why people squeeze the sides of mice because you don't really squeeze your mouse? but that's just me.

DeathAdder v3 if you on a budjet

Oh how did i not notice, but yeah i have one too and its really nice one

I’ve been using the deathadder since they exclusively had a blue glow.

deathadder v3 is light and has one of the fastest sensors. it's often on sale somewhere. 

Im currently using the deathadder v3 but i keep having problems where my mouse keeps disconnecting if i drag it too much or when im 180-ing. Do you know how to fix this? Lol

If you're willing to go outside of your comfort zone with a different brand I'd try the OP1 8k from endgame gear, even though it's wired it's seriously an amazing mouse. But if you're trying to stick with those brands then for Logitech I'd go with a superlight, even the first generation still holds up well today. And for Razer I love the Deathadder v3 as I grew up with that shape, but if you want a symmetrical mouse then a Viper V3

I have both op1 8k and deathadder v3 , now using the op1 just because it's bit better for black ops 6. But it you are not into fps gaming , then deathadder v3 is fine. If you play cod warzone and you do lot of movement the smaller shape is gonna save more space for the mouse to move around. Also you need to upgrade the firmware of op1 8k if you buy it. If you have very large hands then but xm2

Ok for that grip don't buy op1 8k , it's too small. But deathadder v3 it's gonna feel fire. In my area it's really affordable on sales.

Bro 🤣🤣🤣, my deathadder v3 is cooked after almost 2.5 months of usage 🤣🤣🤣, the usb disconnects automatically. I had to clean install windows for a purpose. It's not a driver or razer software side issue. The physical cable got damaged , i use it to play call of duty black ops 6 🤣. A mouse lasting 2.5 years would be a dream to me. I got it on sale from Amazon, might be some shit unit. But i would suggest to buy something else. Don't buy op1 8k also. Just get some wireless mouse like VXE mad r major , i personally ordered atk f1 extreme. Time to go wireless finally. Fuck the wire. 👍😆😆🤣

I've recently got mchose l7 pro and its wireless ofc. I can tell u rn that I play better with it then with the DAV3 (wired), no lag or any issues The only problem is that its got kinda small battery (250mah), so I need to charge it every 3-4 days (it takes a bit more than hour to charge), I do use pc alot so I guess its also my "fault". But yeah, for wired go for OP1 8k

DAv3 easy choice for palm claw OP1 is too thin for normal size hands Latency difference between these mice are like sub 1 ms, don't make your decision due to a spec sheet in this case

Mchose A7/Aula V9/ATK A9/ATK X1 are good for large hands. Also LGG La-1 sells batches with a small flex issue for really cheap if you can get that. the Rapoo is also a good shout. and if you don't mind wired, the Deathadder v3 is good too.

Why not viper v3? i had Basilisk v3 pro and i smashed it on the mouse pad and the wheel got stuck, i had Death Adder v3 as well and the scroll wheel was "jumping" while i was scrolling pages down the page jumped up, now i have the viper v3 and has no flaws after 6 months.

TLDR: I naturally reverted to closer to a palm grip after trying to switch to claw and I feel like no mouse feels right. I want something sub 50 grams and I think I want a symmetrical mouse. I’m considering the new tenz mouse or the lamzu Inca. Hand size about 18 cm x 9 cm. Full story: I naturally did a full palm grip but I switched to claw and started getting better scores in aim training and performance / consistency in game. Have tried the following mice in this order: Logitech superlight, Deathadder V3, Lamzu maya, Ninjutso Sora v2, Viper v3 pro, now just received the g-wolves ht-s2. Maybe it’s in my head but I felt inconsistent with the ergo mice so I wanted something with equal weight balance. With the way I’ve been gripping the mouse recently as shown in the pictures I get cramps in the center of my palm at times and also feel like I’m very often adjusting my hand trying to get it in the perfect spot since my grip isn’t super secure. I either need a new shape / size or I need to retrain myself to claw grip again.

I use and love deathadder from 3.5g to V2, specifically the classic form. Due to V3's issues, I was looking for an alternative: Gladuis iii is wired, heavy, and has poor software, the Metapanda P1 is small and lacks grip, and the Delux m900 pro has connection issues and insufficient battery life. Currently, I use the Rapoo vt3 max (Nordic 54 gen 2 version), which I believe is my endgame. I tried on the Superlight dex and the deathadder v3 in the offline store, and I liked the shape, but I don't think it makes sense for me to pay that much money for a mouse.

Nah, I have a deathadder v3 and the scroll wheel is jumpy/skipping out of nowhere. Only way to fix it temporarily is to flip the mouse upside down and spin the wheel as fast as you can downwards. I am generally pretty gentle with my peripherals too so I wouldn’t say it’s damage.

Nah, I have a deathadder v3 and the scroll wheel is jumpy/skipping out of nowhere. Only way to fix it temporarily is to flip the mouse upside down and spin the wheel as fast as you can downwards. I am generally pretty gentle with my peripherals too so I wouldn’t say it’s damage.

Nah, I have a deathadder v3 and the scroll wheel is jumpy/skipping out of nowhere. Only way to fix it temporarily is to flip the mouse upside down and spin the wheel as fast as you can downwards. I am generally pretty gentle with my peripherals too so I wouldn’t say it’s damage.

No, the Deathadder has a better sensor if anything. But you won't notice a difference.

Ok so i have 19.50 x 10 hands and these are all the mice I have tried and have: Logitech superlight - Razer basilisk- Razer deathader V3- Razer viper mini- Logitech g7 something (similar to razer basilisk)- Lamzu thorn- Lamzu maya X- Pulsar x2h v3 size 2- Pulsar x2 crazylight size 1- Pulsar xlite v3 size 2 - Pulsar susanto-x - From all of these, i sold most of them due to not feeling comfortable for me (i do relaxed claw grip) And the best ones I had are maya x. - 10/10 And exlite v3 size 2. - 8.7/10 Anything smaller than that I do not recommend really for our hands sadly. I want to try vaxee new NP ergo v2 wireless, its regarded as best mouse of 2025 and very suitable for you too. If you do not want any ergo at all, I would go for Maya X or you can wait for amazon release (Idk if they are available yet or no) pulsar x2 crazylight size 2 so you can try it and return it if do not like it. GL and lmk what you pick and hope you enjoy it!

Same for me, I bought this model an got this disconnections issue 8 months after. Amazon sent me a second model, and it had the same disconnections issue 28 days after + the design quality of the mouse was even worse than my first one right out of the box. The scroll wheel was loose from day one, with a slight mouse jumping issue (clicking on the scroll wheel caused scrolling from time to time). Their support is also very bad. I had opened a ticket for my mouse (before contacting Amazon) and Razer's support team literally confused me with another customer when they mentioned “crackling sound with your Razer BlackShark V2 Pro.” They also made it clear that I would have to pay to return my mouse. **Hopefully**, I bought it trough Amazon. There is also a Razer support team on this subreddit that seems very friendly and knows how to use words, but it doesn't add anything to their support. I see it more as a communication effort to limit the damages from people sharing their experiences. I will send my Deathadder V3 back to Amazon for the second time, but this time I'm going to choose a refund and switch to more durable brands like Pulsar, Zowie, etc. I don't really see myself buying again from Razer.

Unlucky twice in a row over a period of nine months? I don't really think so, and I don't think that I will ever spend money on a Razer mouse after this experience.

Hello, I have only used Razer mice since 2021 and would like to give feedback on the 3 mice I have had. \---------- **Razer Viper Mini** First I bought a Viper Mini in 2021, one of the best mouse I've had but the click wheel was no longer working after two years of use. So I changed the wheel click on the DPI change button through Synapse, and that button didn't hold for more than a year. \---------- **Razer Deathadder V3 N'1** Then I bought the Razer Deathadder V3, it was the best mouse I've ever had in terms of pure performance, but after a few months I had this [popular issue](https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/11/601900047372653565/) where the mouse kept disconnecting. If you type "Deathadder v3 wired disconnection issue" you will find a lot of posts about that. So I sent back this unit to Amazon last month and got it replaced by a new Deathadder V3 on May 12 2025. \---------- **Razer Deathadder V3 N'2** As soon as I received this second unit last month, I felt that the quality of the wheel design was not as good as my first one. It moves a bit left and right, and when I click on the wheel it scrolls slightly up or down. This makes this mouse unusable for FPS. [This issue, called "Mouse Jumping" is very popular too.](https://www.reddit.com/r/razer/comments/yyoauq/deathadder_v3_scroll_wheel_issue_mouse_jumping/) I had planned to send it back, again, but I still haven't done it because I don't have time to contact Amazon every week, so I've been using this mouse until today. And just today, one month and two days after receiving this second unit, I've noticed that it's now also suffering from the disconnection issue. This issue is identical to that of my first Deathadder V3, purchased almost a year ago, which demonstrates Razer's inaction on the quality of their mice. This unit therefore suffers from two popular issues, just one month after receiving it. \---------- What's more, Razer's support is very bad. Their RMA plateform is so buggy that I'm getting replies addressed to other customers telling me about “crackling sound with your Razer BlackShark V2 Pro”, nothing to do with my mouse. And they ask me to pay the price of the mouse for a return. Suffice to say, I was right to go through Amazon. So I'm going to send back this unit to Amazon, once again, and look for a new gaming mouse brand. After this experience, I wouldn't recommend buying a Razer mouse. And if you do, I strongly encourage you to buy it on a store with good RMA policies.

Hello, I have only used Razer mice since 2021 and would like to give feedback on the 3 mice I have had. \---------- **Razer Viper Mini** First I bought a Viper Mini in 2021, one of the best mouse I've had but the click wheel was no longer working after two years of use. So I changed the wheel click on the DPI change button through Synapse, and that button didn't hold for more than a year. \---------- **Razer Deathadder V3 N'1** Then I bought the Razer Deathadder V3, it was the best mouse I've ever had in terms of pure performance, but after a few months I had this [popular issue](https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/11/601900047372653565/) where the mouse kept disconnecting. If you type "Deathadder v3 wired disconnection issue" you will find a lot of posts about that. So I sent back this unit to Amazon last month and got it replaced by a new Deathadder V3 on May 12 2025. \---------- **Razer Deathadder V3 N'2** As soon as I received this second unit last month, I felt that the quality of the wheel design was not as good as my first one. It moves a bit left and right, and when I click on the wheel it scrolls slightly up or down. This makes this mouse unusable for FPS. [This issue, called "Mouse Jumping" is very popular too.](https://www.reddit.com/r/razer/comments/yyoauq/deathadder_v3_scroll_wheel_issue_mouse_jumping/) I had planned to send it back, again, but I still haven't done it because I don't have time to contact Amazon every week, so I've been using this mouse until today. And just today, one month and two days after receiving this second unit, I've noticed that it's now also suffering from the disconnection issue. This issue is identical to that of my first Deathadder V3, purchased almost a year ago, which demonstrates Razer's inaction on the quality of their mice. This unit therefore suffers from two popular issues, just one month after receiving it. \---------- What's more, Razer's support is very bad. Their RMA plateform is so buggy that I'm getting replies addressed to other customers telling me about “crackling sound with your Razer BlackShark V2 Pro”, nothing to do with my mouse. And they ask me to pay the price of the mouse for a return. Suffice to say, I was right to go through Amazon. So I'm going to send back this unit to Amazon, once again, and look for a new gaming mouse brand. After this experience, I wouldn't recommend buying a Razer mouse. And if you do, I strongly encourage you to buy it on a store with good RMA policies.

Razer’s mice from 2021+ generally don’t last more than two years. The scroll‑wheel click on my Viper Mini broke after 1.5 years, the cable on my Deathadder V3 failed after eight months, and my new Deathadder V3 developed the same cable issue as the first one within a month, along with a slight mouse‑jumping issue right from day one. Chinese‑made mice are now the way to go.

Very subjective question and it also depends on your grip and handsize. I’ve tested deathadder v3, superlight 2, razer viper and eventually ended up using the ec1-cw for a long time. Now switched to ec1-dw and its brilliant. I’ve got big hands though and i like a palm grip.

4:3 is also bad but pros still use it. It’s muscle memory, they’ve been playing on a shit res for so long switching to 16:9 would make them preform worse even though it’s better. Same thing with the Logitech. It’s not a terrible mouse and the design has been out for years and years, it’s just not as good as razers new stuff like the viper v2 or v3 pros or the deathadder v3

I don't know exactly what you are talking about with your mouse grip, but I full palm my mice and have have 19x10 hands too. I found the DAV3 great for the hand filling shape and the thorn was surprisingly still quite comfortable to palm grip despite its smaller size (I think this is attributed to the larger hump?). Can't speak on the others based on QC, but they are pretty similar shapes I think. If I had to choose I would personally go for the Pulsar Xlite V3 large just because Pulsar is doing a sale on their old stock.

Yeah, I worried about the new pulsar mice cause if that. My deathadder v3 had bad sideplay, my viper v3 doesn't have any really

I will never use Logitech again, but other than that, i've been using Steelseries mice until the latest ones stopped being confortable to me. Got curious for some Corsair models as well, but never seemed right to me. Nowadays, Razer Deathadder V3. the V2 was something as well, but V3 is the best for me. Disclaimer: I never liked Razer products, those are the two exceptions.

DAV3 will probably be a better fit for you. The OP1 8K is gonna feel extremely tiny if you're use to the Deathadder and it might be uncomfortable for that reason.

Endgame Gear makes and sell the best performing mice on the market. Razer also sells a wired version of the Deathadder V3 giving you 8K polling and 8K click latency across all sensor polling rates. If you're in Europe, you can probably buy some old Zowie wired mice through something like Max Gaming. You can buy them in NA through the same site, but the shipping is gonna be stupidly expensive.

deathadder v3 has been perfect for palm grip for me

Deathadder V3 is a great choice, otherwise could look into the GPX Ergo

I’ve used both. The dav3 first, then swapping to the op1. Can say for a fact that the op1 is better for competitive gaming, especially with claw grip. If u use palm grip or don’t game very competitively, the dav3 is a solid choice.

I had the g502 hero and I'm wondering if the better quality you are talking about is here with us? I have currently a deathadder v3 and I don't think there is a better (quality/cost) mouse than the v3 models

I had the g502 hero and I'm wondering if the better quality you are talking about is here with us? I have currently a deathadder v3 and I don't think there is a better (quality/cost) mouse than the v3 models

I had the g502 hero and I'm wondering if the better quality you are talking about is here with us? I have currently a deathadder v3 and I don't think there is a better (quality/cost) mouse than the v3 models

Similar hand size and I use relaxed claw. While I vaguely tried to follow the small mice rule, none of those were great for comfort. Talking about the VXE R1/Mad R size. Those were giving me pain around the little finger. The comfortable ones were mid to large sized. EC2, S1, Haste, DAV3 were infinitely better. Currently using ATK Z1 (EC2 clone) and it has been great. My conclusions were - length of more than 120mm and grip width of 62mm or more.

I feel like OP1 is the best claw shape for small and medium hands and xm2 for big hands. Dav3 for palm grip even though, me personally I liked the size of dav2 more, because it is larger if I recall correctly.

ive been an avid deathadder fan for almost 2 decades, and the 2 modern shapes are too small in all the wrong places.

honestly the 2 newest deathadder shapes are more mamba than deathadder. i tried to like the v3, but ultimately didnt like it, and went back to the v2. the flare is signature, and a part of why i like it.

it's smaller in the wrong places for large hands.

basilisk is similar to the g502, which is entirely too small, and the DA v3 and v4 are smaller in the wrong places for large hands.

The DA v3 and v4 are more mamba than deathadder. I have 20x10 hands and love deathadders, but sold my v3 and went back to the DA v2 Pro.

I had razer death adder v3 and its been great the shape worked great for me since i also used wired deathadder long time ago, only negative is after about year and a half it had problems charging wired charging wouldnt work at all and charging station was not working properly always had to open razer app to see if its charging or not, sometimes would charge full sometimes would stop at 80% and no matter how long its charging stays 80%. Logitech supperlight 2 is also good have it for a month and im satisfied with it

Good deal. I'd buy another if my current DAV3 showed any sign of needing replacement.

Any update how this performs? I am looking to upgrade again. Noticed this problem from my G305 now to the Deathadder V3… and the deathadder I have just gotten a week ago and already causing issues.

Loved my Aerox 3 before laser started giving way - Deathadder v3 servicing me quite well

People that recommend the Viper Mini either havent tried it themselves or dont know better, that cable is stiff, thick so its not even compatible with mouse bungees I wouldn't subject a friend to that. The minimum I'd pay for a wired mouse with an actually good cable is around 2k for the Wired Razer and Pulsar options (Razer Deathadder V3 and Pulsar X2/X2H/Xlite Wired) and max at 3k-4k for the 8k options from Endgame Gear with good wired cables as well (OP1 8k and XM2 8k) at 1k the only reasonable option is VXE R1, whatever version you can get (avoid pro max, switches suck)

19 is medium to big hand size. Get a big mouse for palm gripper. DEATHADDER V3 etc

I just sent in my DAV3 faker edition for RMA given the shell flex and constant noise from creaks and stuff. They are sending me just a plain DAV3 back (which sucks) and i am praying it has no creaks or shell flex isn't too bad. The FE was crazy, it just constantly made noise in my hand when i grabbed it or did anything. I used it for a while but eventually just figured i'd try the RMA lottery.

I have very similar hand size. Have you used a DAV3? I've been using that but sent it in for RMA. I've been looking at the EC1 but i use a relax claw / relaxed pincer claw grip. Def not a palm gripper. Would you say EC2 would be better than EC1 in that situation then?

Razer mice only relatively recently has gotten pretty good. Dav3 and viper v3 pro are solid. The rest of their entire product line, not so much.

Deathadder V3 (wired with your price point). One of, if not the, best mice out there.

I mean Dav3 and vpv3 are both very reliable mice. I rarely hear any issues with them, have no issues with mine and there's a ton of praise for them. Now old razer mice... Yeah they weren't reliable.

I have used 4 different gaming mice in recent time, most recently Deathadder v3. I have ran in to multiple problems (scroll click not working, mouse button 4 dubbleclicking). Naturally, im on the lookout for a new gaming mouse. **This is what i have tried and what i prefered in order:** 1. Deathadder v2 (Can't remember why i liked it so much, but it felt nice in my hand) 2. Glorious model O (This is the mouse i performed the best with, but i have no idea why) 3. Deathadder v3 (I like everything except that it feels kinda "high" for some reason, it might be because of the hump) 4. Xtrfy M42 RGB (Didn't like this one at all, it felt way too tiny) **My hand dimensions and grip:** 18.5 cm length, 8.5 cm width Relaxed claw/palm Any recommendations? Ideally not something that costs more than a tiny car.

I say go for deathadder v3. It FINALLY does not have any rubber parts on it, so it won't disintegrate after \~1 year of use.

All preference but IMO. Can’t go wrong with zowie, Logitech or a deathadder v3

6k hour, Deathadder v3

Just noticing Deathadder has almost the same shape and dimensions as these two, and for less. Plus you get the good software you mentioned you want. So consider DAV3 too.

I recently got a deathadder and it broke after only 3 months. Got another g502 and it was broken out of the box. Shit's infuriating

I recently got a deathadder and it broke after only 3 months. Got another g502 and it was broken out of the box. Shit's infuriating

I recently got a deathadder and it broke after only 3 months. Got another g502 and it was broken out of the box. Shit's infuriating

12 years is good, my deathadder v3 died in 3 months

>In my opinion most ergos feel more or less the same with minor differencies I couldn't disagree more. For example, I can't stand the Dav3 shape, it's super unconfortable, too long, the front flair hits my finger... The classic EC2 shape feels much better, and recently got the x3 which is close to my favorite shape (G403/G703) which feels so much more natural to use than anything else. This is all just for me as this is VERY subjective. As for the Dex I haven't tried it, but except the shape, what is different from the superlight 2? I feel specs wise logitech fell far behind everyone else.

Deathadder V3 / Teevolution Terra when that comes out / Pulsar Xlite V3 maybe

Zowie EC1, Razer Deathadder V3 are the best picks for larger hand gamers, especially with more relaxed grips. if you want something ambidextrous, the Superlight is probably near the largest new ambi mouse that people recommend. Maybe the Zowie FK1+-C? edit: scratch the fk1+-c if you're looking for light mice, it's 77g. I would highly recommend either the EC1-DW or Deathadder V3 Pro.

trying my old V3 again at the moment to see if the shape is doing anything for me, so far it works better then I remembered. But the release V3 has really become a creaky mf, I hope the V4 stays stable and quiet.

Deathadder v3 daily driving, and mchose l7 ultra + /crazylight x2 for fps

Don’t know about your luck with finding a used one since it’s relatively new still but the deathadder V4 is light and fits large hands well (I have 20.5 x 10 hands). If I need a comfy mouse that’s always my go to, I had the V3 previously before the V4. I just got the teevolution terra pro and i love the design + lightweight but it’s definitely not a full palm grip mouse for larger hands.

Sorry for the late reply, kind of forgot I posted tbh. I had the V3 before the V4 and I honestly liked it just as much as my V4. I believe the V4 is lighter but it’s not a wild difference As far as models go I believe you have the standard DA V3 which is wired, then you have the pro wireless version, and if I recall correctly the v3 hyperspeed is slightly smaller

Deathadder v3 is pretty awesome in my opinion, that and the glorious model I

Right now, the Razer DeathAdder V3 is the closest to my perfect preferences. Size, ergonomics, and build quality are top-notch. I've been using it for 4 months - everything is great. I need a bit bigger mouse :)

17.5x8.5 – DeathAdder :) Perfect ergonomics. Try to find a store with mice. I chose mine in a store. Maybe you'll prefer Viper Mini, who knows...

Alright, so, I have a question. Maybe I missed something, idk, but I'm wondering why literally ALL the new good mice are wireless: The deathadder V4 pro just come out, and there's no wired version. The superlight and superlight 2 have no wired version, pulsar mice are almost all wireless, ROG gaming mice are wireless, corsair's only good mouse is wireless, etc... I don't understand why ALL brands have to make wireless mice nowadays, and why people prefer wireless mice so much. Nobody does 360s with their mouse, nobody games 3 meters away from the pc. However, a lot of people think that they're bad at games because their mouse is wired. In addition, new hyperflex wires are unnoticeable (such as the one used on the Pulsefire Haste II) and I'm sure that, if you take someone who hates wired mice, he won't even make the difference between the Deathadder v3 and the v3 pro if he's blindfolded. Wired mice are lighter, cheaper, and more reliable, whereas wireless mice have shorter lifetime due to the [battery](https://www.electrochem.org/why-your-battery-doesnt-last-forever), are more expensive and require more advanced technology to achieve 8Khz. Plus, you have to charge them every week or buy a $100 charging mousepad to keep it charged 24/7. That's otherworldly dumb. And please don't fall for the latency dogma. That's super dumb. Humans' reaction time is around 200ms, so a 0.5ms or 1ms mouse latency will NOT make you worse at gaming, trust me. If you lose fights, that's your fault, not the mouse latency's fault. Like, the only good wired mice I can think of are the [Deathadder V3](https://www.reddit.com/r/razer/comments/yyoauq/deathadder_v3_scroll_wheel_issue_mouse_jumping/), the [Viper 8Khz](https://insider.razer.com/razer-support-45/razer-viper-8k-mouse-wheel-problem-50467), the [Pulsefire Haste II](https://www.reddit.com/r/HyperX/comments/14svxyx/hyper_x_pulsefire_haste_2wired_scroll_wheel_issues/) and the [xm1r](https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/pr4ui5/xm1r_scroll_wheel_bug/). EDIT: As some people pointed out to me, the [op1 8k](https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/1cg0c66/op1we_scroll_wheel_issue/) is also super decent. I'm not saying that wired mice are better, I'm just saying that I prefer them and I think that they're just as good as wireless mice. So uhm, if you know why good brands stopped making wired mice, or even give me your opinion about wireless mice, feel free to lmk !

Hey! I currently have a death adder v3 but it's experiencing some issues, it's a few years old so I'm looking to change mouse. My had size from the bottom to the top of my middle finger is 23cm and the span is around 12cm. I've attached photos of roughly how I grip my mouse, I would really appreciate any recommendations for a new mouse. I don't have any particular budget, happy to spend $300+ on a good mouse

I just got the DAV3 today. Resuming playing pc games after 9 years

i also like this grip and tried the biggest mice out there, your best choices if you dont wanna Adapter your grip would be like waizowl cloud, zowie za 11 c, za 11c fills your Hand almost completly prob(my Hand size 20x10cm) waizowl cloud is a bit overhanging but still works great with it, tried like every big shape out there imo ergos are not build for this with deathadder v3 or pulsar xlite v3 large i dont get a comfy grip with this hand grip, the best mouse shape i tried for this grip was steelseries rival 300 but i dont recommend that one, the mouse doesnt get Produce anymore and they like 10-12years old at this point, you can tell when you use it, its pretty outdated

This needs to be higher up. I'm only on this thread because my DeathAdder V3 scroll wheel died

Pulsar Xlite v3 is far and away my favorite at the moment. Have used DAV3, Ec2, gpro DEX, Vaxee outset. It’s essentially an Ec2 clone

As someone with the same hand dimensions as you and owns both mice you have listed, I highly recommend both but my honest answer is that you should get both and return whichever you do not like the most. I use both on my desk because they are both excellent but some games are better on one over the other.

[Thumb goes here.](https://preview.redd.it/01orqaxukyje1.jpg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e84be69a4468efc3e4afc5a3137682974f23a0fe) 21.5 cm hands, exclusively fingertip grip. Thing is, due to wrist comfort (pronation) I place my thumb ABOVE the buttons as pictured. Currently on the DA V3. Issue: the button is still partly "in the way" which affects grip/aim. Are there any modern mice w/o thumb buttons? Only viable options I know are mice that can have them removed and "filled" such as the G Pro/G903. I've considered true "vertical" mice but fear they'll be too much of a compromise. I really prefer the lightweight of the DA V3, which is essential for fingertip. And yes, I've tried actual fingertip mice. I have a Darmoshark M5 and OP1. Problem with them: 1. Too narrow. 2. Not *tall* enough (DA works because of the space ABOVE the side-buttons due to height. This allow my wrist to be in what's closer to the "handshake" position.

I use death adder v3

The DAV3 and DAV4 are definitely a little smaller and feel a little smaller than the DAV2, which itself was a little smaller than the DA Elite and other original shape Deathadders. But, they also feel like more of a universal shape that allows for more hand/grip flexibility, whereas the DAV2 has those hard flares, etc. DAV3/4 is more of a slightly smaller Intellimouse clone.

I have a wired Deathadder v3, not sure if it's the pro or not but yeah feels great in my hand.

The list has the m900pro ultra light. It’s a bit expensive. Would the m900pro 63g for $40 be comparable but just heavier? I’m ok with it being a bit heavier. I want the performance and comfort of death adder v3

DAV3 will definitely fit into your hand easily for palm grip, honestly everything else you listed is pretty much the same size as op1w, maybe the thorn would be the only other closest one. Seems like you want to stay on that small form factor, maybe just use grips on the hump if thats the case.

DAv3 if you like the ergo

The colors are super sick vaxee reminds me of zowie in their divina time. I’m not sure about the hyperspeed Ik I’ve recommended it cause the previous hyperspeeds have been pretty good and for the price I dont think it’s not worth(you could always look if there’s somewhere near you that has one you can test) I have the dav3 faker and i love it it’s just barely too long while for me the vaxee ax is perfect (haven’t tried any other shapes, you could also try and measure your hand it’s never worked for me but you can look up measurements and get a gist of what mouse might fit better)

Not really,i kinda prefer the DAV3 shape 😁

You're 100% right, the shape is absolutely outstanding especially for claw grip. i pretty much got used to it in one day. The only issue i have so far is the coating on the white version so i bought some grips to fix that

Without pain, mostly. Small, symmetrical mice work well for some, and are an uncomfortable mess for others. They (bigger mice) certainly suit palm, relaxed claw, and claw grips better, and those with larger hands better, but just like with smaller mice, they either fit your hand and are comfortable to use or they don't/aren't. I can't use something size and shape of a GPro without heinous cramps with any grip, but I can use a DAV3 for hours without any discomfort at all. Even if the smaller mouse were theoretically better, actually being able to use a peripheral comfortably is priority #1, and a larger ergonomic mouse is more comfortable for some people.

Scroll is going up and down when scrolling I have V3 deathadder

what size are her hands? and how does she grip the mouse? >Should I just call it a day and tell her to get a $40 g305? Please dont do it >Is there anything newer / better around the 40-80 price point? Yes but we dont have enough information about your wife to give a precise recommendation. We need: 1) hand size, 2) mouse grip style, 3) does she want a wireless mouse or not, 4) does she want a mouse from a big brand or even a smaller brand is fine?

if you're willing to order from aliexpress, you can get insanely good mice in that price range with the specifications you gave me. Something like a Scyrox V8, VXE Mad R, AULA SC800, Mchose L7, Delux M900 mini pro, the list goes on and on If you want necessarily big brand and want to stay below the 80$ mark, probably a deathadder v3. Only downside is that it's wired but you cant get a good wireless mouse from a big brand (that is brand new, so no 2nd hand market, which I assume you're not interested in) below those 80$. Or, at least, not with comparable performance You can get something from the big brands that is wireless and relatively cheap... However, they use AAA or AA batteries instead of having an internal one that is rechargable. Honestly I wouldnt bother with those, but if big brand is compulsory and so is wireless, have a look at them. Something like a Razer Deathadder V2 x Hyperspeed.

Any good ec clone, i think xlite or Dav3 are the best ergos in that aspect atm. Maybe something like the terra too (g703 clone) i have similarly sized hands and i enjoyed the g703 back in the day alot.

Both with mechanical switches and I hate mechanicals with great passion. After my old Deathadder developed double-click after 4 years of use, I bought EC1 that got double-click after 6 months, then I got Corsair Glaive, but they replaced it 4 times, and every one got double-click just after 1 week, and I had it more in repair service than I was using it, so it's not worth mentioning, then G403 that got replaced twice, 1st after 3 months, 2nd after 1 month because of double-click(they fixed it the 2nd time), then finally when I saw that first good mouse with optical switches is going to be released, I bought it day one(it was the Viper). Of course there were Bloody mouses with optical switches, but I wasn't sure about their quality. I was using Viper for a long time before I switched to DAV3, but Viper is still working perfectly, only due to holes in rubber and missclicks did I replaced it.

My hand is 22x11cm and I always used fingertip grip. Having hand this big usually meant that people recommended me big mouses. So my last 4 were EC1, G403, ViperV2 and DAV3. I don't own EC1 and G403 anymore, so I'm only showing ViperV2 and DAV3 photos. All mouses that I owned that had mechanical switches developed double-click issue, so now I am only looking for mouse with optical switched. Also no rubber sides, because both G403 and VV2 got big holes on both sides(even though they were comfortable to hold). I had a problem with clicking M1 and M2 on Viper, because I was holding this mouse on some angle and clicking at the very end of the buttons(as shown in pictures), so sometimes they didn't register. I was not having this problem with others, so I'm guessing this was due to them being ergonomic. Also as you can see from the pictures, my thumb is holding mouse below the end of side buttons. This made me almost never use side button closer to front as I could never reach it without huge grip adjustment. After finding [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JitnM_muqgU), I started to think that I don't need big mouse, but rather shorter one. **TL:DR;** So now I'm looking for: \- Fingertip mouse \- Optical switches (this is a must) \- No rubber sides \- No holes (they can be at the bottom, but preferably none at all) \- Preferably wired, but it seems that there is not enough of them so I'm willing to buy wireless with wired connection \- If it has optical scroll wheel that would be a huge plus, because I was considering getting DAV4 when wired version would release, but rest is more important, and seeing that DAV3 is developing the same grip problems that I had with EC1 and G403, I'm leaning towards full fingertip mouse. Does such mouse exist or is leaked to be released in near future? Thank you for any input.

Both with mechanical switches and I hate mechanicals with great passion. After my old Deathadder developed double-click after 4 years of use, I bought EC1 that got double-click after 6 months, then I got Corsair Glaive, but they replaced it 4 times, and every one got double-click just after 1 week, and I had it more in repair service than I was using it, so it's not worth mentioning, then G403 that got replaced twice, 1st after 3 months, 2nd after 1 month because of double-click(they fixed it the 2nd time), then finally when I saw that first good mouse with optical switches is going to be released, I bought it day one(it was the Viper). Of course there were Bloody mouses with optical switches, but I wasn't sure about their quality. I was using Viper for a long time before I switched to DAV3, but Viper is still working perfectly, only due to holes in rubber and missclicks did I replaced it.

After my Razer Deathadder 2013 died, I bought Corsair Glaive. It developed double-click within a week. So I send it to Corsair, they replaced it with new one, and again same story. Had 4 Glaives with double-click replaced before I asked for full refund. Then I gave Corsair one last chance and bought M65 as it had different switches(but also mechanical). But I returned it after 2 days, as my pinky had no support and the metal side was scraching it. I only tried Corsair mouses because I had K70 keyboard. As then I was with mindset that I wanted having both mouse and keyboard from the same vendor. But after so many bad experience with Corsair mouses, I bought Logitech G403, which also developed double-click after 1 month, but I send it to Logitech, they only replaced the switch, not entire mouse like Corsair, and it worked till I sold it and bought my 1st mouse with optical switches (Viper). I also changed keyboard to TKL from different vendor, so now I just search for best possible for me(not vendor specific), but Corsair will never be on my list again.

I’m glad to see the death adder v3 up there I’ve had the death adder v2 for almost 5 years now I think and still a great mouse

It’s a gimmick and that’s coming from someone who mains this mouse since release. I love the mouse, but the thing about fingertip is that you can fingertip any mouse and basically get the same results. I get nearly identical scores on aim labs with my dav3 while fingertipping it vs my asym. I’ve kinda turned into anti mice person, it doesn’t really matter what mouse you use as long as the specs are good and it’s comfortable to you.

Basically any ergo mouse, ie. Deathadder v3 or v4. ZOWIE EC. There’s hundreds of good ergo mice out there.

I went with the Razer DeathAdder V3 after watching this video. [https://youtu.be/5kStdyIahPQ](https://youtu.be/5kStdyIahPQ) Very helpful and must have.

I went with the Razer DeathAdder V3 after watching this video. [https://youtu.be/5kStdyIahPQ](https://youtu.be/5kStdyIahPQ) Very helpful for my games.

I went with the Razer DeathAdder V3 after watching this video. [https://youtu.be/5kStdyIahPQ](https://youtu.be/5kStdyIahPQ) Very helpful and must have.

I went with the Razer DeathAdder V3 after watching this video. [https://youtu.be/5kStdyIahPQ](https://youtu.be/5kStdyIahPQ) Very helpful and must have.

I have been using a Razer Deathadder v3 mouse for 1.5 years and it has terrible slamfire issue. Another problem I have is that sometimes it accidently scrolls up or down when trying to press the mouse 3 button. Sure the mouse has good ergonomics and it is super light but for such an expensive mouse I expect better quality from it.

Deathadder V3 had the best ergo shape I’ve experienced. Highly recommend you go to a Best Buy and try some shapes out. I would’ve saved a lot of money if I had tried out what fits my hand first. 

But all deathadder V3 scroll wheel just starts bullshittting after months, im sick and tired of dealing with warranty. Thwy said they fixed but they didnt.

If you live in a very humid location, don't buy mouse with metalic contact wheelscroll, instead of optical wheelscroll. It'l rust or whatever, and the wheelscroll will stop working. You'll need to open up the mouse, and ply open the wheelscroll to clean up the metal contact. Optical wheelscroll suffer not working correctly due to dust accumulation, but it is far easier to clean. This is coming from someone who bought Razer DeathAdder V3 just for the optical mouse switch, but overlooked the metalic contact wheelscroll.

I feel this to hard. Had 3 bad Deathadder V3s in a year. Pulsar mice have been great, give them a try.

Been using the Maya X for about a month and yeah, the DAv3 is getting retired

You would probably be more comfortable on the Zowie EC1 than the EC2. Death adder v3/v4 would likely fit you very well also. A cheaper and more interesting option would be the Teevolution Terra. Check all the shapes on ELO Shapes to get an idea.

https://preview.redd.it/dag6rmze8ybf1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=257006b52a204b480b34fd252d6999215794fc39 My Razer death adder V3 totally disappears in my hand but it's still comfortable. Mix of gaming and work. I have wide hands but not very long

What grip do you use? I also have 20,5 cm hands and EC1, DAV3 hump is to low - I need more back hump. Terra and new zywoo mouse seems to be interesting.

No. It looks like the perfect size for your hand. I mean you are welcome to buy a whole drawer full of mice before returning to this one anyway. But I would just recommend sticking to this one from the start.

well i hope works for you,my hands big like you my favorite mouse shape g5/mx518 like 10 years after that many ergos xlite dav3 thorn etc... now gpx shape works for me i don't know why 😁

Vxe r1 se plus is 8k and very good option in this budget, in used, wired basilisk v3 or deathaddaer v3

Ok if you want get a mousepad like the Razer Gigantus V2 Medium. Super cheap and reduces that annoying feeling of brushing your desk. Go to a best buy in your area or something and try the mice there. In better places(man I wish I lived in the US), they have a whole row of keyboards and mice for you to try, but in my area they have a gaming corner with some PC setups to try which mostly has DeathAdder V3s and V3 Pros. I personally like these but I don't know about their price-to-performance values. People are also talking about the Unius Black Lotus and the OP1 but I don't know much about expensive mice, just the budget ones.

razer deathadder v3 if you dont mind a wire, just get a bungee so no cable drag, or ATK Z1 if you want a cheaper version. It's practically the same shape

That's exactly what happened to mine a couple months ago. I ended up getting the death adder V3 to replace it.

That's exactly what happened to mine a couple months ago. I ended up getting the death adder V3 to replace it.

That's exactly what happened to mine a couple months ago. I ended up getting the death adder V3 to replace it.

as an owner of g703 and DAv3, i think youll love the Dav3. my only dislike was that it uses synapse. Oh, and the dongle is annoyingly hard to plug the cable into sometimes because it has like a mineshaft inside of it unlike the pulsar dongles. If you find that you dislike it for whatever reason, pulsar has a pretty much EC clone and I loved my xlite for years before I got my dav3.

My DA elite v2 started to have double clicking a year in, but that alone didnt bother me so i kept using it, another year passed and the famous scroll when jump started to happen, then switched to DA v3 and guess what, not a year in and i already have the scroll wheel jumping, at least no double clicking (yet)

~~Use~~ Try the Deathadder V3, and if you get it, the wireless one that gets a hyperspeed dongle, it’s much bigger, I was in a similar position, wanted the Viper, but realized it’s WAY to small and the deathadder I’ve used before is the perfect size.

If you were used to deathadder why not get a newer one. The deathadder v3 can be gotten cheap ATM on amazon.

Your grip looks like it be suitable for a razer deathadder v3. Perfect for resting your palm on.

Yea i used to be sceptical of Razer and their cringey gamer branding, but i just got the Dav3 and its a huge upgrade over my logitech

I use a deathadder v3 and will stay here tell the end. Good size mouse (i have big hands im 6'5) and just does what it needs to. No lights, 2 side buttons and this it. Basic but good.

I've used Viper Ultimate for 4 years before changing to Deathadder v3. I've loved my Viper Ultimate and still having on my setup just in case my Deathadder battery dies. Yes, it's only Micro USB but mine came with a charging station that makes it easier to charge (the station also has a usb where you can put the 2.4GHz dongle).

I have around the same hand size as you ergo: DAV3, EC2, EC1, Xlite size 2/3, Zaopin Z2, Vaxee E1, Lamzu Thorn ambi: Maya X, VXE Mad R (small but I can still claw it), GPX, Viper V3 pro

I personally have only used the xlite large size , but I prefer the DAV3 shape over it. Zaopin Z2 is great its basically like a tilted GPX so not a full ergo.

personally i really like large mice for tracking since it makes me feel more stable, i like the deathadder v3 and vaxee xe as my best tracking performance mice

Been really liking the Deathadder V3 as a guy with large hands using a palm grip.

I would get a large but lightweight mouse. Something like a deathadder v3 and then switch to playing with a fingertip grip. Edit: I didn't read the part where you said fingertip grip gives you carpal tunnel. I'm 90% sure that problem is caused by either your mouse being way too heavy to fingertip properly, using too high of a sens, or misunderstanding how fingertip grip is supposed to work. For example you mention you need your palm supported and dragging it on the pad. This makes me think you don't understand what fingertip grip is because your palm should definitely still be touching the pad when you fingertip. Watch the video below to see what it's supposed to look like, especially 1:33. It's literally like if you started with a regular claw grip and then simply extended your fingers out so the back of the mouse isn't touching your palm anymore. https://youtu.be/RNkV4YLj1gQ?si=o_rOhaA0RuHT--5I

I’d get the X3. I just picked one up last night coming from the GPW and I like it so far. The hump is fairly tall, but the back slope isn’t too aggressive, so I find that it fits right in the middle of the palm pretty well. I haven’t tested it super thoroughly yet, mostly just some web browsing and random screwing around, but so far seems pretty comfortable and responsive. The extra width helps with control, as well. For reference, I thought the DAV3 and Xlite V3 were ehh in terms of comfort, with the DAV3 having too aggressive of slopes and the Xlite V3 being a bit too small for me.

The sensors are the best there is. New tech is only making them faster with higher dpi. I have seen a couple of good e sports players using Razer Viper v2 and playing really well. I suggested viper v3 to you and Deathadder v3. It's good stuff. Very smooth and razer synapse is a nice software

Yeah why not. I use deathadder cause I like the shape.

It all depends on your budget. 50$? Vxe r1 / r1 pro. 100$? Maybe the death adder v3 there are TONS of options and it all comes down to your grip and hand size. Ask in r/mousereview . They know EVERYTHING about mice I spent a good load of research there before getting my mouse.

I tried Dav3 and it was to big. Hyperspeed to small. I have used an xlite v3 and really enjoyed it for a few years. I was having a bit of an issue with side flair. I moved to the WLMouse Sword X and haven’t looked back. Really good mouse with no side flair so a lot more comfy in the hand IMO.

I use DAV3 for fingertip and wouldn't change it for the world.

Have been using DAV3 for the last 2 years or so, been through a couple because of scroll wheel dying early on them. Just picked up a Pulsar Xlite v4 and am trialing it now, if it lasts at least as long as the DAV3 probably gonna move to maining this, Razer is just asking too much money for what they're putting out anymore.

DAV3 is for sure one of the best mice lines that razer has done in a very long time. Only gripe I've had with them is the scroll wheel life, but that's been a problem I've had with almost every razer mouse I've had.

deathadder v3 teevolution terra pulsar x3 all have a lot of space for 2 fingers on RMB

kind of yeah, especially for anyone with bigger hands outside of the EC1 and the Large Xlites theres nothing The Deathadder has gone to a flatter shape that tries to suit both palm and claw but isn't perfect for either Vaxee who are from what I understand the brains behind the original Zowie designs seem hesitant to do anything bigger than the EC2 Logitechs successors to the MX518 shape, the G502 and the G502X are much more of a claw design Steelseries is as good as dead, Roccat is literally dead The Chinese brands have barely done any big mice which is understandable considering their buyer market The G703 clones seem to be not as popular as some people thought they were despite the good reviews for the Terra

Hey! Having used both mice i highly recommend the Hitscan. Despite the fact that i have a large hand that can even use DAV3 without issue, I prefer the Hitscan's shape to Viper V3's shape. Amazing build quality, decent battery life.

Dav3 is such a good mouse all around, but you can’t go wrong with the xlite v3 for the price. If you don’t mind spending extra, id recommend the dav3.

I don’t own razer lol I used a dav3 a while ago and thought it wasn’t that big. the dude said 3 ergo mice without holes and you name 2 without holes lol Edit: the point is that you said “most” and then go on to name 2 lol I agree there are high end ergonomic mice that are light. But to say most is stretching it.

Finally got my Viper V3 Pro Sentinels Edition is the perfect match between Beauty and Performance. The only gripe with this mouse is the big SEN logo on the back. Switched from GPX Superlight 2 have also used Final Mouse I’ll be it Cape Town, DaV3 and Logitech G303 in recent years.

Razer Deathadder v3 (what some of the pros use).

Just buy a V3, wired for god sake

Stormbreaker max cf/deathadder v3

I don’t think the mouse is too small for you. If it’s uncomfortable, maybe try an ergonomic mouse like deathadder v3 or zowie ec1

Now I don't want to be that guy but that mouse is one of their cheapest mouse from 11 years ago, well before the age of the V3 and Viper Mini/Cobra lines. Razer's new mice (5 years and younger) are actually fascinatingly good quality for the price. The DAV3 is barely like €30. Cobra 25. The G502 you praise is actually even more hated for its price, especially for that piece of shit cable that they decided to make unbraided for that price lol.

Out of all the mice i had ATK x1, sora v2, attack shark x11, DAV3, Hyperlight is the most comfortable for my big hands

Any GPX Dex or Deathadder v3 clone should be good, like Aula SC900 and Eweadn A5. In terms of lightweight, i have replied on other comments. In terms of secondhand market, i dont know what to recommend since that market is so volatile and basically "buy whenever something is available until your patience run out".

> like everything except that it feels kinda "high" for some reason It is, its curvature also is the same as on the V2/3G, giving it imo too much volume and making the hump too aggressive, also strongly slanted in an effort to be ergonomic, but to me at least it doesnt work out. >Glorious model O (This is the mouse i performed the best with, but i have no idea why) Then i would suggest to just stick with it, other option i would recommend is the EC1, which also is tall(but lower than DA V2) but got a soft hump, expensive though.

I tried DAV3 Essential and wired versions in the shop. Essential felt too big for me and wired was one of the best shapes I tried but I was still unused to the size. I could not find the Hyperspeed anywhere in the show. But considering that I liked using my old Rival 110, I think the size of the HS would be ok.

I tried both the DeathAdder v3 and the v3 Essential in the store and the Essential seemed too big for me. I wasn't able to test the Hyperseed, but judging by the fact that my favorite mouse size is the Rival 110, the Hypersped should be doable.

I tried DAV3 Essential and wired versions in the shop. Essential felt too big for me and wired was one of the best shapes I tried but I was still unused to the size. I could not find the Hyperspeed anywhere in the show. But considering that I liked using my old Rival 110, I think the size of the HS would be ok.

I tried both the DeathAdder v3 and the v3 Essential in the store and the Essential seemed too big for me. I wasn't able to test the Hyperseed, but judging by the fact that my favorite mouse size is the Rival 110, the Hypersped should be doable.

as others said already, it's overprized and most pros use it because of sponsorships. twistzz has his weird mouse grip because he was forced to use a razer deathadder back in the day. it's not a bad mouse by any means, i used both versions for a combined 5 years now and just a month ago switched to the deathadder v3. i like to palm grip my mouse and the g pro always lay different in my hand everytime i picked it up. don't have the problem with my da v3, think i found my match in that regard.

I had both in hand, size-wise they are pretty similar but the twist on dav3 is a bit more conservative afaik. I mean, the lmb and rmb are more flat than on xLite. Would affect palm grip a little. But yeah, dav3 is also an option for big hands

So here are four features you really want to watch out for especially, and everything else is just preference. 1) Polling rate - has to be at least 1000 hz and if you haven't tried 1000 hz mouse, you're DEEPLY missing out. This is why I question users who always suggest Logitech MX because the 125 hz polling rate has a very noticeable difference even in MMOs and is super noticeable in FPS games. Some of razer mice has gone up to 8000 hz polling rate but I've settled to using 2000 or 4000 hz on mine depending if my game starts to stutter from the increased CPU latency it causes. 2) Wireless - preference for users, but today's technologies don't even get interference from regular 2.4 ghz wifi unlike it used to 10 or more years ago. Now it's a question of price vs convenience 3) Optical clicking mechanism - this is a game changer and will at least allow your mouse to have a life much longer on clicks. I used to use Logitech mice until I got tired of the double click problems. My only razer mouse - razer deathadder v3 has lived much longer than my average logitech mouse now because of this. 4) Those macro buttons - only if you're a heavy MMO player that need extra macros saved.

The best one for large hands and not expensive but it is wired which is the razer deathadder v3 there the expensive one from it which is the wireless, you can search for the pulsar xlite in general they wireless and in the middle ground

Deathadder v3/4 is huge get that

My DeathAdder v2 is just about the perfect mouse for me. If I had to rebuy it every 3 years I would. But the v3/v4 isn't even the same mouse. Now my baby is the "DeathAdder Essential" but idk what that even means. Seems like I'm missing a bunch of features sticking with the Essential. Just can't get over why they didn't give the v3/v4 a different name because it's not even the same shape.

My DeathAdder v2 is just about the perfect mouse for me. If I had to rebuy it every 3 years I would. But the v3/v4 isn't even the same mouse. Now my baby is the "DeathAdder Essential" but idk what that even means. Seems like I'm missing a bunch of features sticking with the Essential. Just can't get over why they didn't give the v3/v4 a different name because it's not even the same shape.

My DeathAdder v2 is just about the perfect mouse for me. If I had to rebuy it every 3 years I would. But the v3/v4 isn't even the same mouse. Now my baby is the "DeathAdder Essential" but idk what that even means. Seems like I'm missing a bunch of features sticking with the Essential. Just can't get over why they didn't give the v3/v4 a different name because it's not even the same shape.

The wireless performance of the VV3P is only slightly beaten by the new Deathadder. But it’s a completely different shape and the performance difference is negligible. Wait for the Viper V4. But know that even then, you most likely won’t notice the improved sensor performance. The noticeable differences might be the coating, weight, clicks, and battery life. I’m hoping they’ll also give us the option to turn off motion sync, which has thus far been built into Razer mice.

if the Razer Deathadder fits your shape, you can check out the safest option, the Deathadder V3/V4

They’re both just fine for FPS games. A mouse should just feel like an extension of your arm. So it ultimately comes down to what type of shape you prefer. If you prefer ergo shapes then the DAV3-4 would work, if you like symmetrical shapes then the GPX is better. In terms of internals the tech in the DAV4 is better. You’re already using a DA, but the V2. The newer DA models are a safer ergo shape (not as much flaring) compared to the V2. GPX is over represented in pro play because back in 2020 it was far and away the best mouse you could buy. That isn’t the case anymore. Everyone got used to their GPX so it’s easy to just keep using it. Pros typically don’t like to change variables in their setups if it isn’t necessary. In terms of which brand has better software it’s lose lose with Logitech and Razer. Don’t get so caught up on mouse shape, or what mouse is best though. Most mice these days perform just as well as any other. If you want to mess with a variable that strongly affects your aim, look into a mousepad that complements your style and what types of FPS games you play most. Mousepads have a strong impact on how you aim.

So another person recommended you the deathadder v3/v4 which is a good choice i believe, those are two amazing mouse. The only thing is size wise they only are 1 mn bigger (however almost two time lighter, which is a big plus). I think I will follow on that, if your current mouse feel really too tiny, I have to admit it’s already a pretty big mouse, you might have really big hands

This 100% I've had 2 Deathadders in the last couple years that started double clicking within months. They suck now.

Proof that they don't make em like they used to. I've had 2... TWO brand new wireless Deathadders over the last couple years that started double clicking within months.

This 100% I've had 2 Deathadders in the last couple years that started double clicking within months. They suck now.

Proof that they don't make em like they used to. I've had 2... TWO brand new wireless Deathadders over the last couple years that started double clicking within months.

This 100% I've had 2 Deathadders in the last couple years that started double clicking within months. They suck now.

Proof that they don't make em like they used to. I've had 2... TWO brand new wireless Deathadders over the last couple years that started double clicking within months.

Ive always used death adder personally but im also one of those find something I like and never try anything else kind of guys

Ive bought 3 death Adders in about 12 years and one is bought as an upgrade cuz i wanted a wireless one. Idk why people are hating on it. I get hating on razer cuz their customer service is shit. But thats not the engineers fault.

Damn - all the bad razer experiences in here have me feeling lucky. I also had a 2013 deathadder that I replaced with a wireless deathadder in 2020. No issues with either of them. Meanwhile my Logitech mouse double clicks on its own from day 1 lol

Damn - all the bad razer experiences in here have me feeling lucky. I also had a 2013 deathadder that I replaced with a wireless deathadder in 2020. No issues with either of them. Meanwhile my Logitech mouse double clicks on its own from day 1 lol

Damn - all the bad razer experiences in here have me feeling lucky. I also had a 2013 deathadder that I replaced with a wireless deathadder in 2020. No issues with either of them. Meanwhile my Logitech mouse double clicks on its own from day 1 lol

I have an adder wireless I think. Love it.

Razer Deathadder and Logitech 502 are the only wireless I have experience with, they're decent enough though the wireless deathadder has no textured side grips. Your price range is less a choice and more entirely dictated by the ridiculous prices gaming mice have gotten to sadly.

I am using Razer deathadder since 6-7 months and it didn't disappoint me. I regularly play fps games and it's really good.

I am using deathadder ( wireless one ) since 7-8 months now, and it's really good for gaming stuff and normal things too.

V3+ Razer Mice all have pointy corners and aren't really palm friendly and even if you can palm it without reaching the top right corner then you might as well get an EC2-DW/Xlite Crazylight (white only + OG thin V3 skates as black coating/thick skates suck!) where you can rest your ring finger on the top right corner for added stability Only 2 are the OG RVM with the wire (the wireless 300$ one has no coating and your palm will slide down it) or the Viper Pro V2 if you have big hands, as my normal 18.7 x 9.8 cm are too small for it (it's FK1 sized)

Should go to Mousereview or some other mouse-specific subreddit for more expertise. Here people tend to suggest things like G502/X for large hands: G502 is NOT suitable for large hands, it's a small mouse as far as grip goes: The largeness comes from flaring and edge-detail that won't affect how it feels in the hand. For what it's worth: The Deathadder is probably the best shape for large hands. But the Essential model is seriously gimped and is practically a office mouse with Razer's styling. And the newer version of the gaming-specific Deathadder are of a slightly different shape: Still good for large hands, but it's no longer exactly the same. The Viper V3 and G Pro X Superlight are medium-to-large shapes too, but very universal. It's unlikely you'll be able to hold them by fully enveloping it with your entire hand if you have very large hands. They are more like "claw grip" shapes. I have large hands and i do like both of those: They are very similar in shape. I personally think the Viper V3 is slightly better and less generic. But another option for that particular category is the Maya X: Also a very similar shape to both. But sometimes cheaper. All that being said: It's not necessary to hold a mouse by palming it. A lot of people prefer different grip styles, and a lot of shapes can work with a lot of hand shapes. I personally don't mind the Aerox 3 at all, but it's small enough for it to be basically a fingertip-only mouse. Which can still be very good: Fingers are more accurate at small adjustments than the wrist is (and you should avoid using the wrist to do that due to carpal tunnel anyway.) Either way, the general knowledge regarding mice in this place is questionable, you can even extend this to me.

Should go to Mousereview or some other mouse-specific subreddit for more expertise. Here people tend to suggest things like G502/X for large hands: G502 is NOT suitable for large hands, it's a small mouse as far as grip goes: The largeness comes from flaring and edge-detail that won't affect how it feels in the hand. For what it's worth: The Deathadder is probably the best shape for large hands. But the Essential model is seriously gimped and is practically a office mouse with Razer's styling. And the newer version of the gaming-specific Deathadder are of a slightly different shape: Still good for large hands, but it's no longer exactly the same. The Viper V3 and G Pro X Superlight are medium-to-large shapes too, but very universal. It's unlikely you'll be able to hold them by fully enveloping it with your entire hand if you have very large hands. They are more like "claw grip" shapes. I have large hands and i do like both of those: They are very similar in shape. I personally think the Viper V3 is slightly better and less generic. But another option for that particular category is the Maya X: Also a very similar shape to both. But sometimes cheaper. All that being said: It's not necessary to hold a mouse by palming it. A lot of people prefer different grip styles, and a lot of shapes can work with a lot of hand shapes. I personally don't mind the Aerox 3 at all, but it's small enough for it to be basically a fingertip-only mouse. Which can still be very good: Fingers are more accurate at small adjustments than the wrist is (and you should avoid using the wrist to do that due to carpal tunnel anyway.) Either way, the general knowledge regarding mice in this place is questionable, you can even extend this to me.

I had an older adder than this, think my brother still has it, great mouse. My newer model is not as nice

I had an older adder than this, think my brother still has it, great mouse. My newer model is not as nice

I had an older adder than this, think my brother still has it, great mouse. My newer model is not as nice

Someone told me to use a deathadder for slightly larger hands about 12 years ago and I’ve been using the newest ones ever since. I can’t use any other mouse now. G pro felt baaad for me.

Do not get the razer v3. The scroll wheel is known for bugging. I have one and with jump bound to scroll I randomly start jumping around in game. Allegedly the v4 fixed this issue but I went back to my v2 and love it.

Neither the GPX nor the V3 ever sold for nearly as much

On paper sure, but no one had to pay that much. It fell by 30$ just a week or two after release and never rose any higher again. Price only went downhill fast from there and stabilized at around 145 and occasional dips to 125.

Anyone buying straight from Razer on day one has no right complaining about their insane prices. Can't help you if you can't wait a little to jump on a discount which were very frequent shortly after release. That's like buying ANYTHING 101.

I have a death added that's ancient. Sure. Had a friend grease the buttons because the clicking didn't work right. But it's been smooth for many years. It's the OG death adder I also got the optical buttons one and works fine. Gotta say, I'm impressed by how long the mouse lasted. The old one became my work laptop mouse. New one is for gaming and personal use.

I have a death added that's ancient. Sure. Had a friend grease the buttons because the clicking didn't work right. But it's been smooth for many years. It's the OG death adder I also got the optical buttons one and works fine. Gotta say, I'm impressed by how long the mouse lasted. The old one became my work laptop mouse. New one is for gaming and personal use.

full size deathadder should have your back

If you like the shape, updated DA is likely your best bet, or maybe a Zowie EC1-DW

I second this. I have a Razor mouse (I can't remember the model offhand - something named after a snake tho). The ability to set the mouse wheel to "free run" with a single button click makes a huge difference when moving cargo around.

Weight doesn't really matter much if all you do is non-competitive games, but I play a mix of most game genres and after switching from a scimitar (corsair's mmo moise) to a lightweight deathadder I don't think I can go back. My aimlabs score on multiple tests improved by like 20-30%. The deathadder with the AA battery is a good bit heavier I think

lol...i have to find a good middle ground between kinda fits, and not heavy...deathadder has been decent so far. may jump to the pro, idk. https://preview.redd.it/9lxrntbwm4vf1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57533ff4f6392efe68211dd987a504570bd2ae38

I just got the deathadder a couple days back, my advice - DO NOT GET IT. Its softwares feel like bloatware and keeps messing with my in game aiming sensitivity for some reason. Also I don't understand why I need to be logged into a razer account to be able to customize my mouse lighting and dpi.

gawd dayum, i have relatively large hands being 21x10, and yet your hands make the g102 look like the keychron m4 in my hands. for mouse recomendation, its either gonna be a razer death adder(which ever one fits your budget) or the teevolution teera. idk whats the price in india

tbh, idk, the deathadder would suite your grip style

I've owned both the g102 and deathadder, avoid razer please. Its an overpriced piece of mid equipment. The deathadders scroll wheel gave out after 6-7 months of use. as for the g102 I got a double clicking problem after around a year of use. No mouse in this budget is gonna get you more than 12-18 months(if you're lucky) of usage if you're doing heavy gaming on it..but the death adder was surprisingly very fast to spoil.

I use the death adder. Don’t sleep on using mouse wheel up/down as binds too. Great for focus interrupts and CC.

Honestly, after being on the deathadder for like 10 years, then to steel series, I have the Logitech g502 now and it's just perfect. Would never go back.

I'm in the same boat as you, once I tried a Death Adder every other mouse I've used feels like pure garbage in my hands. They either move in a clunky way, they don't fit my hands, some buttons are hard to reach, buttons don't click in a good way... and the list goes on. I'm on my 8th Death Adder now.

I've had 8 Death Adders throughout my life. It's a testament to how much I love them that I keep buying them. It's also a testament to how poorly made they are that they keep breaking. Sadly, nothing comes even close to the "feel" that they have for me. They have the perfect weight, fit my hand, and they seem to move in the perfect way. Buttons are responsive and scroll wheel is fine. Because they're so perfect for me, I don't mind buying a new one every 1.5-2 years when they eventually stop working, but ymmv. Some people hate that kind of thing. I will add they've made improvements and my most recent one has lasted 3 years but is starting to have issues now. As for the headsets... don't buy any gaming brand of headsets, especially Corsair (Corsair PC components are great though!). The only gaming headset I've ever purchased that I like is the HyperX cloud alpha wireless.

People can bad mouth Razer all they want and they are prob right with most of it, but damn the Death Adder is something special to me. I have a Death Adder in addition to other mouses and it's been 10 years, while I've switched the other mouses prob every 1 or 2 years that death adder is going strong and I use it more than the rest. If that bad boy eventually dies I will 100% get another one. The best 20 bucks I ever invested.

My Deathadder died in under two weeks, maybe I should've made a display like this. "Rip in peace October 2014 - October 2014" or something like that, can't remember the exact date

Orochi v2, you seem to be literally me, grip wise, and it's the Orochi v2. The DA will hurt your performance and is going the wrong way. The Viper is suboptimal but good. Since I got from Viper to Orochi, there is no way back. I was a Diamondback boy for a while before all that,

I bought a death adder and it automatically installed their trash software. Bought a g502 and gave the death adder to my cousin lol

I've been using the Razer Deathadder for at least the past 12 years. I really like it because it has a few extra buttons without being too crazy but more importantly, I have fairly large hands so it's one of the only mouse models that can easily fit my big paws. Beforehand, I used to get hand cramps using mice that were too small.

Deathadder V2x. I have used all 3. I currently own Chimera and Deathadder. Chimera is bad. It has absolutely bad accuracy. Deathadder is much better in terms of cursor movement accuracy. Logitech is average at best and not very comfy (for me).

Not what you're asking but could you switch to using fingertip grip? Then you could use any size mouse that's simply wide enough for gripping. I used to use a razer Deathadder, thinking it was a lovely size for my hand, but when I changed to a viper pro, I found that the size didn't matter anymore because my grip style changed. Now I prefer fingertip.

Deathadder shape is perfect

Deathadder shape is perfect

Deathadder shape is perfect

There is no better mouse for game. There are mouse more comfortable for specific sizes and grips (way you hold the mouse). Usually the most comfortable and standard is an ergo mouse like razer’s deathadder, lamzu’s thorn, pulsar’s x3, logitech superlight dex… But all of those are probably more expensive than ur budget

My death adder lasted only 2-3yrs ago while my viper ultimate is still good 5yrs later with a shit battery tho.

My death adder lasted only 2-3yrs ago while my viper ultimate is still good 5yrs later with a shit battery tho.

My death adder lasted only 2-3yrs ago while my viper ultimate is still good 5yrs later with a shit battery tho.

Have two death adders still going strong on my children’s gaming rigs (they’re adults). One is probably 10 years old at least.

Have two death adders still going strong on my children’s gaming rigs (they’re adults). One is probably 10 years old at least.

Have two death adders still going strong on my children’s gaming rigs (they’re adults). One is probably 10 years old at least.

Deathadder, it just feels right in my hands.

Kreo was a sponsor at one event in my college. They gave mouse and keyboards to winners of competitions. I won the FIFA tournament and they gave me this same mouse. I had a 4 year old Deathadder from Razer I purchased for 2.5k at a sale. I gave that to my Mother and started using this mouse. Quality issues are the main concern but other than that even in normal use cases other than gaming the mouse would sometimes stop working for 10 seconds and start working again. Scroll wheel button got jammed once I didn't know that was even possible. In games this mouse is inconsistent due to its sensor. I think I didn't really give it much time to grow on me but after all the random disconnections, it managed to surprise me with DPI changing when it started working again. DPI normal was 800, I used 1500 so pressed the button 2 times to switch to that. When it stopped working and on again, it switched back to 800. This was in the middle of games. I switched back to my Deathadder in 2 months. Mummy ko Logitech ka mouse dilwa diya. Kreo wala kisi junior ko de diya jisne 5 dinn baad hi boo diya ki itna chutiya mouse free mein bhi nahi Lena chaiye thha aapse. And all these frustrations were after I got it for free. I can't even imagine paying 4k for this. Get a Deathadder, Orochi, or a Viper 8K. All of them are mostly at discounts. Check Elitehubs and MDcomputers. You'll find cooler master, Razer, Logitech, corsair, even fucking hyperx mice far better in quality and performance than these. Fuck it. I have used a zebronics mouse for 3 months and that felt less hassle than this. If all the mice were cars, this one would be a tuktuk.

Deathadder used to be my absolute favorite mouse due to size and feel as ive got some large hands. Every single one has ended up getting scroll wheel issues after a year or two. I've probably had quite a few over a decade now.  I swapped over to the Zowie EC1-CW and its been the best mouse ive ever used hands down. The scroll wheel is louder and doesn't feel super smooth or anything but ive had it forever now and have never had a single issue at all. My only gripe is the finish is super smooth on it and with my sweaty hands it wasn't ideal, but I threw on a $9 set of pads for the mouse and its basically perfect. They have a new one, the EC1-DW? I think its called which is a lot lighter but same dimensions basically. If you have big hands, this thing fits like a glove imo. Can't give it high enough praise.

I had like 3 death adders. 1st lasted years and years. Two after that didn't total 2 years. Found a good brand for now and going for like 7 or so years.

I had like 3 death adders. 1st lasted years and years. Two after that didn't total 2 years. Found a good brand for now and going for like 7 or so years.

I had like 3 death adders. 1st lasted years and years. Two after that didn't total 2 years. Found a good brand for now and going for like 7 or so years.

Deathadder, built like a tank if it can withstand the abuse of online competitive shooters that i play it can withstand anything(i had to buy 3 sets of keyboard over the past year pls don’t ask me why)

went through 5x rat 7 i need that corpus but the innards are trash. the thing that powers the lazer sucks bawls rat8 chinese reboot of british rats worked for 1 day and then lazer started to turn off at random intervals. so you draw circles and they miss random pieces swiftpoint as a micro company their software is terrible and dangerous to pc unless you how to fix it through bios. and it has drivers on the server that is down because they are tiny elecom is barbie size. like baby girl sized. bought it online, on a picture it looked normal proportions. about 15 logitechs all start to double click then tripple click roccat arrived dead and was an arse to return and refund. chose because they keyboard served me for 5+ years until it started to die recently steel series worked for like 1,5-2 years and started to multiclick like logitechs. costed a ton of money. like a month or two worth of food. ~5-8 a4tech their finish peels hard. they are just shoddy but some can survive for several years. some can die faster with multiclicks or dying buttons. lottery. 5x garisons i love the GM-740G corpus despite it being a joke. if they didn't create it but stole it i wish i had the original. but it's made of garbage plastic. the MMB just breaks. some even arrive broken. defender is already a rattly one but uses the same buttons as everyone, so after some time starts to multiclick genius cheap mice so it's random when they break and how. razer got deathadder and after like 2-2,5 weeks mmb stopped working right now after these amazing adventures i gave up and bought razer naga trinity which costed a half of my monthly salary. about one year and all the paint peeled from the buttons ahhahahahah. and two cheap acers even if one breaks i have the second one. so far they are alive but i barely use them only one of them i connect to my phone together with keyboard. + wireless (xiao?)mi that i got as a gift with a laptop. so far works i wish i could try super fat logitech (and see its buttons fail like always) and corsair m65 but you can't buy those two for years

There is no best mouse tbh it's shape dependant. Lamzu (Thorn, Maya, Atlantis), Pulsar (X2, or Xlite), Razer (Viper or Deathadder), Logitech (G Pro), VXE (R1 or Mad R) Just a few brands to look into and check shapes on^ There are loads of decent mice out there these days though. Just look for something with either a PAW3395 or the newer PAW3950 sensor. Can save quite a lot of money and still get a competitive mouse by going with a Chinese brand like VXE, Lamzu, or Scyrox, etc. Some of these have Web based software also which imo is vastly better than razers Synaps and Logitechs GHub. AimAdept on YouTube has lots of videos on gaming mice.

Damn bro. I thought my hands were huge and long. I use the death adder as well. First addition though, not sure if there's any difference in size. It's still a little small for me. But, it's the biggest i have found without having to order one

I use the exact DeathAdder on the 3rd slide. I recommend it. It's a good mouse I've had it for over a year

Razer deathadder. Been using it for the past 1 and a half years

My death adder lasted 9 good years

My death adder lasted 9 good years

My death adder lasted 9 good years

My orginal DeathAdder lasts thousands and thousands of hours of use. It was solid, reliable and rugged. These new ones are nearly as trashy as their keyboards.

My orginal DeathAdder lasts thousands and thousands of hours of use. It was solid, reliable and rugged. These new ones are nearly as trashy as their keyboards.

My orginal DeathAdder lasts thousands and thousands of hours of use. It was solid, reliable and rugged. These new ones are nearly as trashy as their keyboards.

Both are good but the orochi one is ambidextrous while death adder is ergonomic right handed. Don't go for a death adder if you're left-handed.

The Adder will definitely be more comfy, especially for long use durations. I feel changing batteries is a greater hassle than wires but hey, that's just my personal opinion.

that is crazy i have been through at least 3-4 death adders and elites I like the elite the best but not the new one the new one is too light

that is crazy i have been through at least 3-4 death adders and elites I like the elite the best but not the new one the new one is too light

that is crazy i have been through at least 3-4 death adders and elites I like the elite the best but not the new one the new one is too light

OP don't throw away that ole' trusty DeatherAdder just yet. These are the replacement switches I bought to fix my DeatherAdder when the same issue happened to me. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HPL57JQ Yes, you will need to know how to solder...

OP don't throw away that ole' trusty DeatherAdder just yet. These are the replacement switches I bought to fix my DeatherAdder when the same issue happened to me. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HPL57JQ Yes, you will need to know how to solder...

OP don't throw away that ole' trusty DeatherAdder just yet. These are the replacement switches I bought to fix my DeatherAdder when the same issue happened to me. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HPL57JQ Yes, you will need to know how to solder...

Deathadder is goated. I’ve had one since I started PC gaming 12-13 years ago

Deathadder is goated. I’ve had one since I started PC gaming 12-13 years ago

Deathadder is goated. I’ve had one since I started PC gaming 12-13 years ago

Same experience with my deathadder 😂 My basilisk is starting to do that too 🥲

Same experience with my deathadder 😂 My basilisk is starting to do that too 🥲

Same experience with my deathadder 😂 My basilisk is starting to do that too 🥲

Deathadder if you have palm grip.

Deathadder should be under 6k rupees, if u can go for attack shark mice they are very good, or go for glorious mice under 9k, another option is going for razer used mice on pakgamingstore u can get smth like viper 8k wired for under 10k

Maybe it's just specific for the naga? I've been using Deathadders religiously and usually get 3-4 years out of them

Can confirm, i bought deathadder two weeks ago, and gave it to my daughters.Clicks are somehow strange, they are not clicking good.I uset to sharp click sound and to feel that click, but this mouse dont have that.Also plastic seem low quallity, mouse feels little clunky. I returned my old good A4tech bloody V7. V7 is another lever for deathadder.

By saying windows mouse, do you mean just a cheap crappy mouse or a similar cost mouse to the Magic Mouse? I have a newer model razor deathadder gaming mouse and it blows the apple Magic Mouse out of the water any day in terms of speed, smoothness and feel. I do still use the apple Magic Mouse for work on my MacBook simply due to the sideways scrolling and touch features but oh my god is it the most uncomfortable and clunky feeling thing.

Never found the appeal of mmo mice, but my all time favorite mouse is the razer deathadder, because the shape of it is just perfect for my hand. And I get two keybinds on the side. Not very durable though, I think I’m on my 4th deathadder, but that’s over a decade timespan. A few years ago I did for a small period of time try a logitech g502, I didn’t really like it. But that’s personal taste, I will use a deathadder till the end of times, perfect size/shape/ergonomics for me anyway.

Deathadder. I have 20x10. Having a bigger grip width is always better.

See if you like the Razer deathadder from what I recall that one is a tad bit better for bigger hands

It really depends on OP’s grip style. That’s called a palm grip in the second photo, and it’s a very common grip style.

It's one of the three most common grip styles. People who use a palm grip just move their whole hand across their mousepad if they use a lower DPI. https://preview.redd.it/n3sox6v4kgff1.png?width=1500&format=png&auto=webp&s=c80ca80c73e45362be8d21360d74e338ad02a671

I use a fingertip grip, although the example in the photo is a bit exaggerated. I used to use a palm grip until it got too uncomfortable and my grip style changed over time.

I would go with either a DeathAdder or a Basilisk if you use a palm grip (the way you’re gripping your mouse in the second photo).

deathadder til the end baby

Deathadder is a fantastic mouse, if not the best mouse of all time.

2 year using deathadder best mouse

Just want to say that I also have a shitty scroll wheel after about a year with the normal deathadder lol

My black widow stealth chroma and my death adder both lasted me around 8 years, surviving my LoL days. Mouse wheel buttons died, eventually a few of the switches died in the keyboard. Happy enough to buy a new death adder, went wooting for the keyboard this time around so I can replace switches if needed.

My black widow stealth chroma and my death adder both lasted me around 8 years, surviving my LoL days. Mouse wheel buttons died, eventually a few of the switches died in the keyboard. Happy enough to buy a new death adder, went wooting for the keyboard this time around so I can replace switches if needed.

My black widow stealth chroma and my death adder both lasted me around 8 years, surviving my LoL days. Mouse wheel buttons died, eventually a few of the switches died in the keyboard. Happy enough to buy a new death adder, went wooting for the keyboard this time around so I can replace switches if needed.

I will never not use a deathadder.

I will never not use a deathadder.

I will never not use a deathadder.

Razer deathadder. Best big handed mouse ive ever found, and theyre cheap in terms of gaming mice.

You know what this might actually be one of the better ones I've seen and for very cheap. Great recommendation, thanks.

some steelseries mouse and then i got death adder in 2017-2018

I had the same issue with the deathadder, you can spray some WD40 into the mouse. It will fix the issue for a while :) Or swap out the switch if you are handy.

I had the same issue with the deathadder, you can spray some WD40 into the mouse. It will fix the issue for a while :) Or swap out the switch if you are handy.

I had the same issue with the deathadder, you can spray some WD40 into the mouse. It will fix the issue for a while :) Or swap out the switch if you are handy.

I’ve used the Death Adder for like.. a decade.. Pretty stellar mouse and i’ve yet to find one as simplistic and just “works”. All the other shit has 16 buttons that are annoying, heavy, etc. Deathadder the goat

These have always crapped out on me within 1-2 years as well.

These have always crapped out on me within 1-2 years as well.

These have always crapped out on me within 1-2 years as well.

I've never been able to find another mouse that fits my hand the way a Deathadder does

I've never been able to find another mouse that fits my hand the way a Deathadder does

I've never been able to find another mouse that fits my hand the way a Deathadder does

my Deathadder died in 1 year. conviniently 1 week after Warranty period.

Ive always found those keys hard to press on any 12 button mouse. I play all games on a deathadder. 2 side buttons as a modifier is totally fine for me personally. My thumbs are too big :( The only one that kinda worked for me was the naga hex, but ive since found i don't need the extra buttons.

I only buy a mouse if I can hold it in my hand before making a decision. For example, the Viper is ranked far above the Deathadder in every list, but the Deathadder is FAR more comfortable in my hand.

Deathadder can't double click bro and its denounce time is high to prevent ghost clicks bcz ghost clicks can cost a entire match for fps games.

Like that one specifically? My death adders lasted 2 to 4 years tops. And "lasted" means all the rubber parts coming off and random click errors all over the place. I was dumb enough to try the wireless one, the battery lasted less than 2 days... Meanwhile Logitech's going a half a goddam year on one AA battery.

Like that one specifically? My death adders lasted 2 to 4 years tops. And "lasted" means all the rubber parts coming off and random click errors all over the place. I was dumb enough to try the wireless one, the battery lasted less than 2 days... Meanwhile Logitech's going a half a goddam year on one AA battery.

Like that one specifically? My death adders lasted 2 to 4 years tops. And "lasted" means all the rubber parts coming off and random click errors all over the place. I was dumb enough to try the wireless one, the battery lasted less than 2 days... Meanwhile Logitech's going a half a goddam year on one AA battery.

I replaced my deathadders every two years until I got one with optical switches, still going on that first one.

I replaced my deathadders every two years until I got one with optical switches, still going on that first one.

I replaced my deathadders every two years until I got one with optical switches, still going on that first one.

If your main use case is gaming, razer death adder is fine. It's lighter than the others, good for gaming.

You may want to switch to a lighter mouse for fps. If you wanna change mouse and test some shapes, I'd say start with the gpx, viper, and deathadder. They are the 3 'safest' and most common shapes, and each have a ton of clones. I got a lot of mouses, but the one I use the most and I'm the most comfortable with whenever I need to be accurate is the HPC01M, which is kinda like a gpx mini. It has viper mini dimensions with some quirck from the gpx shape, but it's better and has hot swappable switches.

yes but deathadder is still good

I used Deathadder for a year, and it wasn't great. Now I'm using the Basilisk V3 Pro, which is good. For a budget option, try Attack Shark or VRE, but I'm unsure about availability. Also the logictech one have this double click issues.

I loved my Death Adder but let me tell you, I love my Basilisk even more. Time for an upgrade big guy.

I loved my Death Adder but let me tell you, I love my Basilisk even more. Time for an upgrade big guy.

I loved my Death Adder but let me tell you, I love my Basilisk even more. Time for an upgrade big guy.

Still typing on a Razer BlackWidow TE I have had for a long time (which I believe is unsupported at this point) and using a wireless Basilisk I got in 2021. Never had their headsets though. Had a DeathAdder that lasted me about 2 years tops.

Need a mouse in the 60-70 AUD range, What I am looking for is: 1. Medium in size, I used the razer deathadder, logitech g102 before, The deathadder felt nice, g102 was a bit smaller but manageable. 2. good buttons, Specially a good wheel. Among the 3 gaming mice(3rd being aorus m2 lol) I've used in my life, all 3 of their wheels got fvcked in like less than a year. The m2 lasted a whole before fully killing the wheel. G102 was alright, it works most of the time but not always. And the worst being deathadder, Both the wheel and the cable died under 3 months wtf. 3. not ugly. It doesn't have to be pretty But I saw mouses with goofy lighting which legit looks like sticker(could be sticker idk). 4. weight doesn't matter that much since I'll not be using it for competitive or hardcore gaming. 5. wireless Thank you.

Double-click is a failure of the mechanism for the left/right click, its repaired by replacing the mechanical switch that is actuated when you press down... i have used like 12 different mice in the past 10 years and it was the deathadders that died after 3 months consistently. logitech goes at least a year, steelseries about the same but i genuinely like the 'clickiness' of their mice compared to logitech these days

Double-click is a failure of the mechanism for the left/right click, its repaired by replacing the mechanical switch that is actuated when you press down... i have used like 12 different mice in the past 10 years and it was the deathadders that died after 3 months consistently. logitech goes at least a year, steelseries about the same but i genuinely like the 'clickiness' of their mice compared to logitech these days

Double-click is a failure of the mechanism for the left/right click, its repaired by replacing the mechanical switch that is actuated when you press down... i have used like 12 different mice in the past 10 years and it was the deathadders that died after 3 months consistently. logitech goes at least a year, steelseries about the same but i genuinely like the 'clickiness' of their mice compared to logitech these days

Death adder for sure

Personally, Deathadder is still the most comfy mouse for me. Some models are pretty cheap too. Last year after making some research on Reddit I decided to try Logitech 502 (the most popular one) and that was not it. I refunded it next day and bought another Deathadder.

Think of Deathadder like a subscription service. After 2 years you have to renew it lol. That's why I have multiple Deathadders.

I bought a Deathadder in 2013/2014 that lasted me until 2020. Bought another one to replace it and I'm still using that one right now. Edit: And I'm still using the Deathstalker Essential keyboard that I bought at the same time when I got my first Deathadder.

I bought a Deathadder in 2013/2014 that lasted me until 2020. Bought another one to replace it and I'm still using that one right now. Edit: And I'm still using the Deathstalker Essential keyboard that I bought at the same time when I got my first Deathadder.

I bought a Deathadder in 2013/2014 that lasted me until 2020. Bought another one to replace it and I'm still using that one right now. Edit: And I'm still using the Deathstalker Essential keyboard that I bought at the same time when I got my first Deathadder.

Very much agree on the Razer point, have my logi g403 from 2020 and still going fine but killed 2 deathadders in that same timeframe you mentioned

Yeah must not be a heavy user/play things that give it much use cause I had two deathadders die just after the 1 year warranty ran out

Moved from a Deathadder to a Naga V2 pro, I use just the six button panel I am not mentally prepared for the 12 button yet. I exclusively play MMO's.

Best one I've found so far for my gigantic hands is the Deathadder. It's at least the most comfortable from those readily available on the market.

Viper v3 seems like overpriced shit, deathadder has batteries so its heavy, hyperx not bad but when you press it little bit it bends so maybe build not so great. I would peak hyperx, because every razer device i had broke down, but i guess its better to look for something else

Razer Deathadder, you won't be disappointed. Best mouse in the game, never has a mouse fit me so well and I've tried so damn many. No wireless, they just don't feel the same.

I dont even have big hands and i felt like G502 could have been longer, wider, taller 😅 now i got deathadder but playing on controller rn cuz of souls games

Keychron M4 (4k polling rate version). I fingertip grip so most small to medium size mice feel pretty nice. I've used a few mice over the years and every Steelseries or Razor mouse I've had has died in 0.5-1.5 years. Scroll wheel on Razor mice goes instantly in my experience. Mice I've used on top of my head: CM Xornet: Extremely cheap at the time but also cheap feeling, awful sensor, amazing form that is still hard to find 10 years later. CM720: Successor to the Xornet and CM Spawn. Decent mouse overall with a terrible scroll wheel. Razer Deathadder: I've had 1, my brother has bought 3. Scroll wheel always dies first and they've never lasted 2 years. I find them to be bulky and terrible mice for fingertip gripping but a lot of people love it with claw grip. Steelseries Xai: Had two and decided I'm never buying a Steelseries mouse again. Left mouse button started dying on the first mouse within 3 months. The ambidextrous brick shape felt awkward and I ended up tilting the mouse 90 degrees G203: Amazing mouse for the price. For games like PoE there's really no need to go beyond the 25-35$ price point when mice like these exist.

Yeah surprised how upvoted this is, my last death adder lasted about 8 years, my next Corsair of the same style lasted 3 years. Still hate the Razor software so not buying anything from them but longevity wasn't a problem for me.

Yeah surprised how upvoted this is, my last death adder lasted about 8 years, my next Corsair of the same style lasted 3 years. Still hate the Razor software so not buying anything from them but longevity wasn't a problem for me.

Yeah surprised how upvoted this is, my last death adder lasted about 8 years, my next Corsair of the same style lasted 3 years. Still hate the Razor software so not buying anything from them but longevity wasn't a problem for me.

Yeah but you’re at just about the expiration date for a deathadder. Never use that as your primary mouse without one in storage for a rainy day.

Razer deathadder would be good

I had a Deathadder for nearly 10 years that was still kicking, but it's middle click died a long time ago. Only got a new Deathadder because I was getting double clicks (it was a mechanical click one). The deathadder I have now is the one with optical switches and it's just as good as the last!

Clicked on this post with my Deathadder, my first Razer product, and I bought three of them because of how much I liked it. Also bought the Razer Kitsune fighting pad, and really enjoy that product, but haven't tried out other Razer products. GamersNexus going hard on them recently.

Clicked on this post with my Deathadder, my first Razer product, and I bought three of them because of how much I liked it. Also bought the Razer Kitsune fighting pad, and really enjoy that product, but haven't tried out other Razer products. GamersNexus going hard on them recently.

Clicked on this post with my Deathadder, my first Razer product, and I bought three of them because of how much I liked it. Also bought the Razer Kitsune fighting pad, and really enjoy that product, but haven't tried out other Razer products. GamersNexus going hard on them recently.

I've had 2 DeathAdders and two Logitechs. The Logitechs lasted longer but every death was the same: random double clicking.

I've had 2 DeathAdders and two Logitechs. The Logitechs lasted longer but every death was the same: random double clicking.

I've had 2 DeathAdders and two Logitechs. The Logitechs lasted longer but every death was the same: random double clicking.

Go to Microcenter and try a couple diff shapes out. Or look online and see what shapes other people like for their style. Claw / fingertip / palm. Check length of your hands you really care. I had a deathadder and just switched to ENDgame Op1. Feels amazing

I currently use a Logitech G502 Hero which I am very happy with, in the past I used both a Deathadder and a Lancehead WiFi and both mice were average at best, especially the software of Razer is absolute dogshit. Depending on what you want in a mouse there even is some tryhards making extremely light weight mice for maximum Valorant flexing.

Rest easy, soldier. Death adder really is the best mouse out there

Rest easy, soldier. Death adder really is the best mouse out there

Rest easy, soldier. Death adder really is the best mouse out there