Razer - Viper Ultimate

Same never hsd a problem with razer quality...have thr exact mouse in the picture and still works, altho its put up now...I got a Viper Ultimate w/ charging dock off amazon for 59.99 4+ years ago and its been fantastic..idk why it was even on sale that cheap, it wasn't refurbished it was brand new...but ya its my daily driver now and has just been great

Same never hsd a problem with razer quality...have thr exact mouse in the picture and still works, altho its put up now...I got a Viper Ultimate w/ charging dock off amazon for 59.99 4+ years ago and its been fantastic..idk why it was even on sale that cheap, it wasn't refurbished it was brand new...but ya its my daily driver now and has just been great

Same never hsd a problem with razer quality...have thr exact mouse in the picture and still works, altho its put up now...I got a Viper Ultimate w/ charging dock off amazon for 59.99 4+ years ago and its been fantastic..idk why it was even on sale that cheap, it wasn't refurbished it was brand new...but ya its my daily driver now and has just been great

I wouldn't call Razer jank. I have owned and used quite a lot of mice from Logitech gaming (g502, retired) to the 3 and own 2 MX 3s. I also have 3 Razer mice.   * Razer Basilisk v3 Pro (previous was the Gen 1 Ultimate version which I owned as well)-> hybrid mouse between productivity and gaming, more on the heavier side vs traditional Razer mice. Intelligent charging setup (magnetic base charging) and the comes with a dongle and USB connector that is interesting. * Razer Basilisk X HyperSpeed Wireless Gaming (travel or out of my home office, mostly collects dust in a drawer now) * Razer Viper Ultimate (gaming mouse, lightweight and my go to for that) Neither companies' software is ideal, though Razer's latest release (still bloated) is better than the prior version. I prefer the MX 3s for productivity working, and Basilisk 3 for casual use, browsing, some gaming, if my Viper is charging or I want to go with a heavier feel mouse.

My death adder lasted only 2-3yrs ago while my viper ultimate is still good 5yrs later with a shit battery tho.

My death adder lasted only 2-3yrs ago while my viper ultimate is still good 5yrs later with a shit battery tho.

My death adder lasted only 2-3yrs ago while my viper ultimate is still good 5yrs later with a shit battery tho.

Thank you for the information now all I need to worry about is the size since my hands are quite large and for butterfly clicking i would need to palm the mouse (20cm length) rn i am using a viper ultimate and tbh the shape is great it has held up great the only thing that i can complain about is that it cant double click

Tried razer viper some time ago at a friends place, was pretty nice but he told me his dock is charging pretty slow even though he cleaned the contacts and he is missing the original cable (Micro usb) and you can't just put any cable in there because they have these weird slot cutouts and all that bullshit. I had my hands flat on it and it was pretty good imo so i would go with that shape.

Damn it XD Viper Ultimate (v1 should be the one i tried) Maybe something goes into that direction ö.ö

I have the V3 Pro 35k and the hyperscroll feature is genius. If you don't mind a heavier mouse this is really comfortable, but personally after using the Viper Ultimate for years I kinda want a low weight mouse with that hyperscroll feature

The Razer Viper Ultimate is a great gaming mouse, if you are happy with it then keep it! Imo it's very comparable to the prior Viper V2 Pro. I have the latest Viper V3 Pro and imo it's the best mouse I've ever mained, and I likely won't need to even think about upgrading any time soon. The absolute latest / greatest from Razer right now is their brand new Deathadder V4 Pro with an optical scroll wheel sensor and new focus pro 45k sensor (vs the 30k sensor in the Viper V3 Pro), but as u/Murky_Historian8675 mentioned "shape is king". The DA V4 Pro is "better" than my mouse, but I personally wouldn't like the larger size and ergo shape. I use a claw / fingertip hybrid grip and anything larger than the Viper V3 Pro would be less ideal for me. If anything else, I would choose the older tech to have the ideal shape that best suits my grip and play style. The good thing is the ultimate is cheap and if you decide to try out something else down the road, you can keep it as a solid back up mouse. Here's a pic of my V3 Pro: https://preview.redd.it/046stnlafrrf1.png?width=4032&format=png&auto=webp&s=cfaa377d535504ee2fed4b331786b7e670b649a5

I use the Razer Quarts mouse goes perfect with my white and pink setup. https://preview.redd.it/f5a1459rb35e1.jpeg?width=1792&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=51780de91b410604d15203802ebbea9ae9e377ec

Had the original DeathAdder Chroma back when it was cool… loved that mouse but it only lasted 1.5years. Currently the Viper Ultimate holds up fine though.

Had the original DeathAdder Chroma back when it was cool… loved that mouse but it only lasted 1.5years. Currently the Viper Ultimate holds up fine though.

Had the original DeathAdder Chroma back when it was cool… loved that mouse but it only lasted 1.5years. Currently the Viper Ultimate holds up fine though.

i used the viper ultimate and switched 2 years ago to the Logitech PRO X SUPERLIGHT, i loved the upgrade (light weight and feeling), my girlfriend still uses my old viper ultimate the mouse is now 7 years old and works good

If I'm not mistaken the viper ultimate has a paw 3311 sensor which is still like the third best sensor on the market and many competitive players can't notice the difference between it and the flagship 3950 sensor. And i think it's also using optical switches, so even now it's a very premium mouse. You shouldn't upgrade unless there is something specific about the mouse that you think could be improved.

viper ulti clone not v3 they are diff shapes

The G602 was my first mouse and I thank it for my resistance to wanting upgrades all the time. Probably got 1.5k hours out of it in tf2 before the side buttons stopped working. I felt worse on the viper ultimate which replaced it.

I used to love Razer some years ago, their peripherals were built like a tank. But now they’re trash. I bought a Blackwidow X Chroma and a Lancehead in 2017, sold them to my friend 2 years ago and he said they are still strong nowadays. After selling it to him I bought a Viper Ultimate, today its scroll fails every time and charging port won’t work anymore.

A Viper Ultimate still working fine is crazy as fuck since that launched with the abysmally horrid Kailh encoder. Mine lasted maybe a year before that issue popped up but by that point I was already testing other mice.

Razer Viper Ultimate (the first one)

I have a Razer Viper Ultimate and it's been pretty good. But now the mouse wheel is beginning to not register properly or it double scrolls

The Razer Viper Ultimate is a decent gaming mouse. It'll suit your needs unless you're a competitive eSports player.

Review of the ATK U2 This is my first review like this i hope it is useful to someone. I am using a standard tape measure and converting from inches to cm so measurements might not be exact. This is my hand size for reference. My hand size is about 17.78cm x 8.89cm and my thumb is on the short, stumpy side at around 5.08cm. First off a little TLDR Warning a backstory to my mouse journey. So the Journey began with my first mouse a redragon M901 equipped with PMW3360 Precision Sensor. Then I tried the Redragon M913 Impact Elite equipped with the Pixart 3335. It was decent much better then the stock mice I always got with the prefab desktops I had as a kid. I returned it because the battery life was horrible on it and stuck with the wired version. Moving on I purchased my first name brand mouse real gaming mouse it was the Logitech g604 using the HERO 16K sensor. This bad boy was a chonker weighing in at 135 grams. But boy did it feel better. Everything about it felt more precise. I want to say I mained this bad boy for about a year. I I started watching a lot of reviews on mice and got the itch to try something new. Less buttons as I had gotten tired of setting up hotkeys for my games and wanted something that I could set up and key a few buttons quickly and get to playing. I also wanted to try lighter wireless mice as I had heard they are a lot better. This is when I stumbled onto the g305. It used the same HERO 16K sensor if I'm not mistaken with the model I had (I have sold it since then). It was lighter and had a decent sensor for the time. I used the AAA battery mod in it. The only thing I didn't really like about that mouse was that the back end sits low, the middle is pretty wide for my grip style. It felt off to me. Shortly after I got the Orochi v2 and this was the best I had tried. Equipped with the 5G Advanced 18K DPI Optical Sensor (according to tech power up it's a the PixArt PAW3369) the shape fit my claw style grip it was light weight and it felt perfect. Well this was short lived not long after I tried the viper mini because I wanted to try optical switches and it was a cheap way to do so. The Viper Mini is equipped with the PAW3359. I fell in love with the switches and just hated the cable. I wasn't sure if it was a placebo or if the opticals really felt quicker to me and more responsive but I was stuck on them. So I bought the viper ultimate. This checked all my boxes at the time. Light weight for the time 74g, opticals switches, and wireless. It came equipped with the Focus+ sensor (PAW3399). My claw grip felt great on this mouse. The only thing I didn't like about the mouse was the side buttons on the side for left handed people. Not a big deal as it was easy to disable and the rubber grips they wear down after time. I tried the G-Wolves HSK Wired equipped with the PWM3389 Sensor and weighing in at 36g. I liked the weight, the lack of side buttons was the deal breaker for me and the fact it was wired. I liked the size of it and felt pretty nice in my hand but the wire was annoying to me and the lack of side buttons just made it not suitable for my gaming needs. I continued to mained the viper ultimate until the release of the viper v2 pro and ordered the hyper polling dongle as soon as it launched, 4k Hrz polling later updated to 8k hHrz polling. The v2 pro was a huge upgrade to me, lighter at 58g as opposed to 74G, and equipped with the Focus Pro 30K (PixArt PAW3950). This was mained until the release of the Viper Mini SE. i Originally passed on the first batch of the Viper Mini SE due to the price and having spent so much on the Viper V2 pro at launch and not having used it super long. But the beauty of the Viper Mini SE got to me. It really checked all the boxes I wanted in a mouse. Super light weight at 48.3 grams, High Polling 8k Hrz, amazing Build quality, and top tier sensor. The down side was the price tag. Once it came back in stock my Ex ordered it for me. I have since put it up for personal reasons and this led me on the journey to find my new main. So now here we are with the ATK U2. I started looking for a new mouse and didn't want to spend Razer, Logitech, Final Mouse kind of money on my next mouse. I stumbled onto a lot of different brands of Allie Express Mice and noticed something sub $70 8k polling support on a mouse. This caught my eyes. I also noticed they had it implemented for wired and wireless. Both my V2 Pro and Viper Mini SE only supported 8k in wireless mode which I always found silly and figured it had to do with the dongle having something in it that allowed it since the V2 Pro only came stock with the 1k dongle. I looked some more and noticed the the ATK F1 extreme supported the 8k polling wired/wireless and its shape is almost exactly as the hitscan hyperlight. Which is very close to the viper mini shape. Watched a lot of reviews on ATK and i ordered the F1 Extreme for about $69. My copy came in at 35.73g with 4 tiger ice v2 dot skates. I got it in the mail, got it out of the box and I was in love, boxed up my Viper mini SE and put it in storage. I had seen the zowie U2 shape and wanted to try it but never bought one. I had seen the ATK U2 on sale when I was looking for a new mouse but the 49 +/- weight was a turn off for me because I wanted a super light mouse sub 40g with 8k polling because i remembered loving the weight of the gwolves hsk wired and now sub 40g wireless is a thing. So after using the ATK F1 extreme i ordered the ATK U2 ultimate for about $56. TLDR over on to the review. My copy of the ATK U2 comes in at 52.31g with the stock skates. I got it from aliexpress so i don't know how the shipping from ATK’s Official site is. The unboxing experience is nice. It comes packed in a brown box that says ATK on it. Inside of that box is the mouse's actual box. It comes with an 8k dongle, a decent paracord cable on the stiffer side of paracord cables, and extra skates. I have not used extra skates. They say they are control skates. It also comes with grip tape as well. I don't like to use grip tape but its a nice addition. Software/Web Driver: ATK U2 has 2 ways to use the software for mouse adjustments: a web driver [ATK HUB](https://hub.atk.pro/) and the software. I use both. I prefer the web driver if I'm messing with settings for the mouse. It's just more fluid and it's easy to use in English. The software was in Chinese from the start for me a little messing around i got it working in English. I use the software if I want to quickly look at the battery level of the mouse. The web driver you have to add the mouse each time you load it if you close the browser. With the software you do not have too. Both Drivers are full of features and do the same things. Allows you to adjust DPI, Polling Rate, Angle, LOD, Dongle RGB setting, Key binds, and Firmware updates and much more. Only complaint I have about the software is that the Key binds do not have the ability to be paired to the application you use. This was a feature that kept me liking Logitech and razors software as buggy as synapse is. This is an easy fix honestly and I wished I found it sooner. I started using a program called X-mouse Button Control. This allows you to be able to implement your key binds using X-Mouse Button Control and set them up to be used on a per application basis i also set it up to have google cloud save my key binds to the cloud so i have thin in an event that i have to reformat my PC and don't have to go back the key binding process. X-Mouse Button Control fixes my only complaint about their software and its free and pretty light on computer Resources. [You can Get X-Mouse Button Control here](https://www.highrez.co.uk/downloads/xmousebuttoncontrol.htm) The Shell And Coating: The mouse has a nice coating; it feels kind of like a smooth matte texture. It's not a rough feeling like the V2 Pros texture. Not on the shell something felt off when compared to my old V2 Pro and I couldn't put my finger on it until I was reading some other reviews. The shell does not feel as dense. I have tried squeezing the mouse pretty hard more than you would put on the mouse in normal day to day use and I don't get any squeaking, creaking or flexing. So it is not a bad feeling that it feels less dense, it's just how it is. Battery life: I have not had the mouse dies once on me i have a bad habit of if i'm done i will toss the mouse on the charge that being said i have been running it at 8k polling and ran it multiple sessions without charging the 800mah battery makes 8k Hrz honestly feel like when i used 1k Hrz with older wireless tech. The Grip: The mouse honestly feels to me like it speaks to you. When I grabbed it for the first time my grip was pretty much locked in. It is one of the most comfortable mice I have used for my claw grip. Clicks and Scroll wheel: The Omron Opticals are on par with razer opticals in my opinion. They have a nice crisp click quick and easily spammable buttons. The side buttons feel great they are pretty good size not tiny and the placement of them is perfect it's designed in such a way i don't have to feel like i have to place my tomb in a specific place to hit the button it feels like my thumb wants to be there and the buttons just happen to be where they can be hit easily. The Scroll wheel is using the TTC Gold encoder. It feels amazing with great tactile steps. The scroll slick is easy to use and I have not gotten any accidental scrolls while clicking. The main chip: is the Nordic 52840 The Sensor: Not much to say they did a great job implementing the Pixart PAW3950. Honestly i feel its on Par with Razers implementation of it The Dongle: The dongle is ok. It has adjustable RGB which is nice. I would have liked the dongle to be smaller and more of a normal shape but it's not an added cost to the mouse, it's included with it and it works really well so all and all no gripes. All in all this is my favorite mouse, my new main. I liked it so much I bought a 2nd one on sale for around $49. I plan to do some mods to it, a battery weight reduction, use dot skates, and add qi charging to it. When I get my second copy in the mail I will make any updates I need to to this review. # ATK U2 = 10/10 Would Recommend

Yup. Its a good mouse, but the rate of failure on the double click side is just too harsh. Better to get something else. And even thats not that much bigger than orochi. In fact, something like viper ultimate or pr lo would suit ur hands better. But those r way out of budget, so i would recommend to think on that size of the mouse. Sorry i cannot actually recommend a mouse.

My Razer mouse is going strong after 4 years. Its the Razer Viper Ultimate. I will say this one is the one thats finally broke the two year rule (Where my other mice broke after two years)

My Razer mouse is going strong after 4 years. Its the Razer Viper Ultimate. I will say this one is the one thats finally broke the two year rule (Where my other mice broke after two years)

My Razer mouse is going strong after 4 years. Its the Razer Viper Ultimate. I will say this one is the one thats finally broke the two year rule (Where my other mice broke after two years)

I have been using it since 2022. It's perfect. But that fcking scroll... Sometimes, it starts lagging on my mouse and my friends one. If you have the same problem, just blow in it and bless)

Some additional information for this is that I'm planning to buy and use the WALLHACK SP-004 glass mousepad. The last mouse I used was the Razer Viper Ultimate, but the side grips have significant wear after years of use, and the wireless delay is pretty noticeable to me. I also wanted something a bit lighter in weight than that mouse. Does this additional information narrow any other possibilities down for what would be a good option for me?

I personally i like the viper ultimate over g pro

I got 11 months out of my 2021 Viper Ultimate. Piece of trash. And Razer wouldnt honor the warranty.

I got 11 months out of my 2021 Viper Ultimate. Piece of trash. And Razer wouldnt honor the warranty.

I got 11 months out of my 2021 Viper Ultimate. Piece of trash. And Razer wouldnt honor the warranty.

I have very similar hands, I've used a razer viper ultimate for 2 years now and never had pain, it does really depend on how you grip your mouse though

The only thing i didnt like about the Viper Ultimate was the front flare

I have a Razer Naga Pro...it's pushing 3-4 years old now and it's not holding a charge like it used to. Overall I like it and I like that I can swap to my Razer Viper Ultimate and use the same dock. Unfortunately they changed the dock style and when one of these finally dies...I am going to have to figure out another direction to go. The newest version of the Naga has their new dock...but most the FPS mice don't use the dock. I like the simplicity of it and not having to plug in a physical cable.

I had the same experience until I got a Viper Ultimate. Thing is trash tbh.

I had the same experience until I got a Viper Ultimate. Thing is trash tbh.

I had the same experience until I got a Viper Ultimate. Thing is trash tbh.

I used to fingertip both my g305 and my viper ultimate until i switched to the original wired hsk. i used that for around 3 years after modding the cable and now I designed and printed out a zeromouse style shell and am still rocking it. I suggest running a very slow control pad as with a mouse this light it still glides effortlessly but gives you that extra bit of stability you might want. Anyway get one, stability issues aren't a thing if you have the right setup and a low sens (and in a game where stability matters you should be running those anyway).

Well, I do have to keep buying one every one or two years, but I've accepted that for liking the feel too much over others.

I need to approach this practically. I cannot use wired devices, as I have ADHD, my play area is far from PC, and it resulted with me having to buy new mice and keyboards every 2/3 months due to damaged or, sometimes even torn off, cables. So I only use quality wireless devices now. From my personal experience Keyboards break faster than mices. I usually replace 1 keyboard per year because it stops working (due to me dropping it on the ground) and 1 mice per 2-4 years (same reason). Right now I have razer viper ultimate and I am pretty happy with it. I play fps games, but I am not that good of a player, I usually rank Gold in games like Overwatch/Marvel Rivals, and I haven't noticed any difference between my aim and response time between wired and wireless mice and keyboards.

Hello everyone! Recently bought new mouse in a form of Viper Ultimate because I thought it is the most advanced Razer mouse, but found out that there is Viper V2 and V3. Never seen V3, and Ultimate is half price of V2 (~82 vs 160$). Just wanted to know: do I need to return it and go for V2? Seen posts around here that Ultimate is very durable. The only downside that I noticed -- Micro USB. Thanks for opinions!

Thanks for your reply! I guess I'll stay with Viper Ultimate, because it is very comfortable indeed, and works fine. Feels better than my Lenovo M600s. I'm playing on laptop, so I need wireless mouse. I just wanted to know if I'm getting some sort of "scammed" by buying brand new 2021 mouse xD. My old M600s' sensor is behaving strangely with getting "lagy" or "skipping" sometimes, so, hence new mouse in my house. I think that I'm fine with Viper Ultimate, very comfortable. Thanks again for your help!

Hi! I guess I will keep it, because the shape is comfortable, the sensor is not lagging or skipping like my one-year old Lenovo M600s Qi. It just feels somewhat strange to buy a brand-new five-year old mouse, especially in our consumerism days, haha. The only downside is Micro USB, but that's acceptable. Thanks for your reply!

Logitech G402, still have it around but upgraded to a Razer Viper Ultimate

First of all. Shape is king. Don't be worried about all the new optical tech and weight reduction. As someone who owns about 24 mice I've come to appreciate shape more than anything. There's no point in a weight class if your hand is gonna cramp in the first hour you're playing. At that point it doesn't matter what new tech is in the mouse or how feathery light it is. You're going to develop carpal tunnel down the line if you go at it like that. First, measure your hand and if you have the opportunity to test more in person like at an electronics store or if you have a friend that can let you borrow their mice with a different shape then your own go for it. I also highly encourage you watch different mouse reviews of different mice once you sort of come to that conclusion. The og Viper Ultimate is an excellent starting point to jump off of when exploring different mice. If I may, here are some things to consider/ look for when looking into other mice. - First of all, your Viper Ultimate is a bit of a flat mouse. The Viper Mini is wired but has a bit of a hump. This is highly subjective among gamers/ mouse enthusiasts because it affects how your palm is placed on the mouse itself. - Wired or not wired. Some prefer it wireless so there's no drag, but there are some mice that have very light braided cables or rubber cables. I personally use a Roccat Kone Pure Ultra that I switch off from my Ninjutso Sora. Please note that wired DOES add weight to the mouse, but depending on what kind of cable and if you use a mouse bungee or not will affect your gameplay. Having it wired never really bothered me. - Speaking of shape is king, there are mice that have different shapes and button layouts that you may find interesting. As I said before, The Roccat Kone Pure Ultra is one of my favorite mice in my collection. My first ever mouse was the older Roccat Owl Eye and I loved it for its shape. It has a bit of a curve that makes it more of a right hand mouse, but as a right handed person the curve actually suited my grip style. It also uses Titan mechanical switches that feel crisp to me. Is it faster than the switches in Razer's newer mice? Probably not, but I personally prefer the feel of the press over the latency test in game, which are marginal at best in my own personal testing. My other favorite mouse is the g502. Consider it's shape, multiple button options and the infinite scroll wheel where you can toggle a switch to have the scroll wheel spin instead of click in steps. It's heavier even without weights, but it's a comfortable mouse that also doubles as a nice productivity mouse for work. I would look into if having more buttons for your gaming/ productivity for work would be beneficial for your setup. - Don't worry about things like 8k polling rates or the newer switches that gets put into the newer mice. Unless you have an extremely beefy PC and a crazy monitor you won't really see those returns. Even if you had those in your setup, your performance still comes down to how comfortable you are to land your shots. Remember, even back then during the early days of Twitch and competitive online gaming that made certain streamers rich and famous, even they started off using wired mice. Ninja used a Logitech G502 and even used his own Finalmouse Ninja collab for years before going wireless. It just goes to show that practicing with the mouse that feels the most comfortable is what works. I hope this helps!

My mice For work related stuff: logitech mx master 3 s For fps gaming: razer viper ultimate For mmo gaming and macro intensive workloads: razer naga v2 pro For their use case these are my fav 3 ive owned and ive worked and played with a variety of mice.

I can only tell you from my personal experience: their keyboards are over priced and their mice too. I’ve had 3 razer viper ultimates and they all had a fault within warranty. Sent all of them back and went with Logitech now + I’ve built my own custom keyboard that costs the same as a razer Keyboard but sounds and feels much much better.

Pretty much every Logitech flagship has been $150+, starting from the G903, GPW, GPX, GPX2, GPX2 Dex, etc. Razer's been doing it since 2019 as well. Viper Ultimate, Viper V2 Pro, Viper V3 Pro, Deathadder V2 Pro, Deathadder V3 Pro, Deathadder V4 Pro.

I have the RC30 (Razor Viper Ultimate). I chose wireless to not have cord drag. I like having custom DPI settings as I have mine set to 5k DPI and it can go higher MUCH higher. The battery life is about 3 days of semi-occasional use and I have never noticed any wireless latency. While I like the mouse a lot it is $150 but it can be found on sale as I paid about $80 for it. I notice the plastic feet still give me very slight resistance which can prevent minor adjustments. This is something I noticed and hated about all the Razor mice I have tired. I may look at correcting this with an upgraded mouse pad. If that does not work I may need to find an alternative mouse.

Hey guys, I haven’t tested many mice. My current mouse is the Ninjutsu Sora V1, and I play a claw/palm grip. My previous mice were the Logitech G Pro Superlight 2, the Razer Viper Ultimate, and long long time ago the Mad Catz R.A.T. 3 😂 My hand size: Length: 18.5 cm Width: 10 cm Personally, I hate the G Pro Superlight. It feels slippery because my hands sweat a lot, and the shape just isn’t for me. The Viper was better, but still not perfect. With my Ninjutsu Sora V1, I kinda like the shape and really like the texture. But I think it’s a bit small for my hand, and it started to squeak after long-term use. I’m not looking for the exact same shape, and I’m open to trying different grips. The most important things for me are: lightweight, good texture, solid build quality, and satisfying clicks. Now I need your suggestions!

They make ways to measure your hand for mouse recommendations. I think randomfrankp had one. Despite everything some of the best rated mice on the market year over year is the razer viper/ultimate which I've been using for years and love. The razer death adder and G Pro Super light are very popular mouse year over year as well. Just something to keep in mind

It was under warranty and the warranty worked and you are looking basically for another deathaddera but from a different brand. I have had a viper ultimate for about 5 years and it still works as a goated substitute.

Used the razer viper ultimate but then the side buttons stopped working and ive been happy with the logitech g pro x superlight 2, but its kinda pricey. I have mine in white and i love it. Also what do people use for lean? I have always used the side mouse buttons to lean, forward side button to lean left, back side button to lean right

Razer Viper Ultimate, tried a bunch but always come back to this one. Although, got the Model D 2 Pro earlier this week for a bargain of a price and I’m happy with it so far.

Amazing choice, but what made you buy this instead of the VV3 Pro and how do you like it for fingertip, I have similar hand size to you (23x 11.5)  and been maining the viper mini for afew years and just switched back to the viper ultimate because my hands were getting some cramps from long sessions and found the viper ultimate to be amazing for fingertip with my hand size and fixed my problem with wrist aiming stability on high sens

I have 23x11 hands and the viper mini for me is much better than the viper ultimate, i'am rocking a fingertip / claw hybrid where only the my fingertips are in contact with the mouse and the thumb joint supporting it from the back left of the mouse[the grip](https://imgdrop.io/album/Viper-mini-23x11-fingertip-hybrid.fkat)

Starlight 12 X2V2 mini Model O- Gwolves HSK pro MZ1 is godtier if you have a relaxed Fingertip grip. Honestly the ultimate fingertip mouse would be the Optimum’s (youtuber) razer viper ultimate mod kit. It takes a viper ultimate’s pcb and put it inside a 3D printed shell. The whole thing is like 20 grams.

Logitech Super light or razer viper ultimate (turn off the RGB and you'll never know it has any)

I think the new razer mice have light clicks Viper V3 and Deathadder V3. I am not sure though. I used the Viper ultimate edition and the clicks were really light. The Viper Ultimate used Razer optical switches, so maybe look for mice using those switches.

My Viper Ultimate's middle click went out, never to be seen again, 6 months in.

My Viper Ultimate's middle click went out, never to be seen again, 6 months in.

My Viper Ultimate's middle click went out, never to be seen again, 6 months in.

This is the last razer mouse that’s got buttons on both sides for us lefty’s I’ve had mine for years and I’m really hoping razer can make a new top spec mouse for us lefty’s

I'm a little late, but I have really small hands (16.5 by 7.5 cm) and I've been using the Razer Viper Ultimate for about two years. Not perfect, but nothing terribly uncomfortable. I have a mixture of a palm grip with a relaxed claw upd: I wanted to upgrade my mouse to a lighter one, and I ordered myself a Hitscan Hyperlight. Let's see how it goes, I think it will be perfect for my hands:)

I've been playing with a Razer Huntsman Mini and a Viper Ultimate for the last 3 to 4 years and they are pretty much done. The keyboard has issues with the cable port and I can hear something loose on the mouse whenever I shake it. They have been pretty good so I have no complains but I'm thinking on changing both. What are the bests ones right now? I have a budget of around 400€ for both the keyboard and the mouse and I like Razer even though I can switch brands. I would like to have a 75% keyboard (I've missed the function keys so much xd) with the best switches in the market and a light mouse (I would love to have a mouse with the "skeletal" look, something like the Razer Viper Mini Signature Edition or the ATTACK SHARK R2PRO PAW3950). I'm no expert on the subject so I don't know if these are good (even though the Razer one is almost 350€ and I don't think I can afford it). Any suggestions? Thanks!!!!

I've used Viper Ultimate for 4 years before changing to Deathadder v3. I've loved my Viper Ultimate and still having on my setup just in case my Deathadder battery dies. Yes, it's only Micro USB but mine came with a charging station that makes it easier to charge (the station also has a usb where you can put the 2.4GHz dongle).

My Razer Viper Ultimate, first wireless mouse, is still kicking since 2022, I know Razer has some bad reputation, but when the time comes, I'll probably pick another Razer. Edit: My wired G203 from 2019 is alive as well, but I'm not sure if they have the same quality today, how good is the G Pro series?

I rocked my viper ultimate for almost 5 years, I just recently got the Hitscan Hyperlight. It’s only been about 2 weeks but I love the shape and hand feel. My hand grip is more or less similar to yours; maybe pointer and middle finger is slightly further back. Kind of off topic, but I was using the superglide glass glides on my viper ultimate, and holy shit the ptfe in box skates on the hyper lights are absolutely insane. It’s so smooth and fast yet the stopping power is amazing.

For me it’s a toss up between my old main the Razer Viper Ultimate and my current main the Lamzu Maya X. For the Viper I loved the flat hump that it has and it fit perfectly into my general gaming setup at the time. I’m still chasing that feeling of flatness for fingertip that i cant find on any other mice (no i will not buy the v2) As for the Maya X It gave the same feeling as the viper ultimate mixed with the GPX which was another old mouse that i mained but didnt like quite as much as the viper. I still swap around between these 2 as I use the maya for FPS and my 5 y/o viper for more general use and gaming (mobas and rpgs) Honorable mention to the Endgame Gear XM1r that i thoroughly enjoyed for both fps and moba gaming as it gave me that kinda same flatness for fingertip of the viper ultimate but with the security of the high back hump for an aggressive claw grip for when i play fps.

Don’t know about newer Viper but don’t buy the initial viper ultimate. Hate that mouse

I've heard that before, but I actually have had very few problems with synapse, and the only thing I needed support for was my Viper Ultimate needed the update, but the model number on mine was, for some reason, different than the one the update said it was for. I reached out, they told me it would work, explained how to do the update, and made sure it worked afterwards. That's as good of support as I could have asked for tbh, so it seems mileage varies on a per customer basis.

I've heard that before, but I actually have had very few problems with synapse, and the only thing I needed support for was my Viper Ultimate needed the update, but the model number on mine was, for some reason, different than the one the update said it was for. I reached out, they told me it would work, explained how to do the update, and made sure it worked afterwards. That's as good of support as I could have asked for tbh, so it seems mileage varies on a per customer basis.

I've heard that before, but I actually have had very few problems with synapse, and the only thing I needed support for was my Viper Ultimate needed the update, but the model number on mine was, for some reason, different than the one the update said it was for. I reached out, they told me it would work, explained how to do the update, and made sure it worked afterwards. That's as good of support as I could have asked for tbh, so it seems mileage varies on a per customer basis.

You can save it if you’re ok with a little soldering. For all of you parroting “Razer sucks!” Their newer mice from the Viper 1 Ultimate onwards have optical switches and awesome sensors. They’re not the same old mediocre quality mice of before.

You can save it if you’re ok with a little soldering. For all of you parroting “Razer sucks!” Their newer mice from the Viper 1 Ultimate onwards have optical switches and awesome sensors. They’re not the same old mediocre quality mice of before.

You can save it if you’re ok with a little soldering. For all of you parroting “Razer sucks!” Their newer mice from the Viper 1 Ultimate onwards have optical switches and awesome sensors. They’re not the same old mediocre quality mice of before.

Have similar hands and loved the viper ultimate, just bought a pulsar Xlite. The v2 is $55 right now

[My Razer Viper Ultimate is the same length, but a little flatter and narrower.](https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/compare/razer-viper-ultimate-vs-razer-mamba-elite/1639/1616)

I got Razer Viper Ultimate in 2022 because I already had own a wired version, but immediately went on a mouse trip. For the last years I had a dozen of mices, and I always find myself stuck to Op1 and RVU. A few days ago, I started to main RVU again and decided to sell Op1w, I just don't need it anymore. By now, the question is only shape, as tech almost the same all the market. You choose

Maybe stupid question but ... are these good for 1-3-1 fingertip grip? Last time I used ergo was mx518.... aeons ago. Currently viper v1 and v2pro for last years. All 1-3-1 fingertip always. I could never learn the 1-2-2 grip. I am a \~2k dpi wrist fingertip 1-3-1 player

Oh it's also good it has a forward sensor position like your mm712, bigger size and nice shape for claw.

the original viper. but like you said, you dont consider it an option so its your money.

I really like my Razer Viper wireless mouse :) Very accurate, good grip, week long rechargeable battery life, fairly affordable, and light. The scroll wheel is tight too :)

Same here, I've had nothing but good experiences with Razer mice. My oldest one is a wired Viper V2 which still works perfectly fine, just upgraded to a wireless viper later on. Less so with Logitech's gaming and non gaming mice which all had scroll wheel issues within 2 years, other than MX3S which is built like a tank.

Same here, I've had nothing but good experiences with Razer mice. My oldest one is a wired Viper V2 which still works perfectly fine, just upgraded to a wireless viper later on. Less so with Logitech's gaming and non gaming mice which all had scroll wheel issues within 2 years, other than MX3S which is built like a tank.

Same here, I've had nothing but good experiences with Razer mice. My oldest one is a wired Viper V2 which still works perfectly fine, just upgraded to a wireless viper later on. Less so with Logitech's gaming and non gaming mice which all had scroll wheel issues within 2 years, other than MX3S which is built like a tank.

I thought the same thing when I first swapped over but over time you'll get used to it. Went from 502hero to a razer vyper and I like it so much more. Also the joy stick might become a problem to with hitting krybonds. That being said a 502 or any clone has a ton of binds.

I'm surprised you've had scrollwheels die on you. I play apex regularly using scroll wheel for jumping and tap strafing with a WL Sword X magnesium for a year and I've yet to experience any issues. I also like the fact that they don't require a program to be downloaded to change mouse settings and is just a web portal. Your experience may differ but I found it way better than my Deathadder V3, Superlight 1 and 2 as well as Razer Viper. It isn't the lightest mouse around, but I have larger hands and it fits well with claw grip for me personally.

Razer viper/viper mini, safe shape, works well. Simple.

I'm still probably going to go with the razer viper. I bought the ultimate back in like 2016-2018 and so far it's the longeat I've ever been able to keep a mouse both because my hands sweat when I get nervous and I flick hard so if there's a wire it'll be yanked out. I like the feel and fit of it, absolutely hate the company and the shit software you have to download just to get the mouse going and then get to uninstall. The only reason I'm looking to replace it is because the stand it comes with to charge or the metal pieces where the prongs on the stand sit are going bad and it won't charge without fiddling with it, and the rubber sides on both sides are just torn/worn down to the plastic lol, it still works amazingly and I still love the feel and size.

Yeah, you're not wrong enshitification affects everything. I'm still undecided on what or when to buy the next one i just know it's coming up and I enjoy the viper

I have a Razer Deathadder V3 and a Viper that I really like. Liked the Logitech G703 as well. My keyboard is some basic $8 USB one.

Have you tried the Razer basili....oh...oh my. Uhh.. Well... Sounds like you're a claw grip gamer, whether you want to be or not. Seriously though, RocketJumpNinja has a website and YouTube channel and has a bunch of recommendations. The Roccat/Turtle Beach Kone Aimo is a larger mouse, but it's also heavier. I need a bigger mouse and found the Kone Aimo from RJN a few years ago. The only problem I had with it was that the left click button would wear out too quickly. I played a lot of Siege and loved using the pistols. LOL I switched to a razer viper to try a different grip... The left click has yet to go out, but I find it a little small.

Currently using a logitech g502 and a razer viper on laptop and desktop respectively. Both are great mice. I think the razer naga hex (v1) was my favourite mouse historically though i got it around the start of GW2 and it was just very well suited to that game. I had the naga hex v2 after that and it was also great. (preferred the v1 slightly)

A tip from a guy that knows about mouse: you will hear a lot of mixed opinions about durability "I never had a problem with it", "it sucks", but the truth is that's all subjective by their experiences, by design any mouse no matter how expensive can double click, specially if has no optical switches (most of them) otherwise, a mouse that mostly won’t encounter these issues using normal swiches does not exist TBH, but the chances of having double clicks are very very low, otherwise a lot of mouse companies would not sell, all you can do is watch good mouse reviewers like AimAdapt, usually when they say that a mouse is good is really good and choosing one with opticals if you are traumatized with double clicks, mouses with opticals is the way to go, solid construction is very easy to find nowdays, I also suggest you to consider your gripstyle to check all the boxes, if you use fingertip then why not go for Razer Viper, they are solid, good warranty, optical switches, recommended by any reviwer.

My viper is 3 yrs old and has been barely hanging on. Logitech from 2015 is still going strong. Never buying another razr mouse/keyboard.

My viper is 3 yrs old and has been barely hanging on. Logitech from 2015 is still going strong. Never buying another razr mouse/keyboard.

My viper is 3 yrs old and has been barely hanging on. Logitech from 2015 is still going strong. Never buying another razr mouse/keyboard.

Basilisk v3, i play a lot of siege and it is my favorite mouse. Depends if he has big hands or not, basilisk is fantastic if you have big hands, small hands seam to prefer the viper, I had one and found it very uncomfortable. Appears to be 69.99 on razers website but it should be available elsewhere.

I like to rest my hand on the mouse as well, so my pick is always an ergo shape. I’ve tried Razer Viper’s shape and VGN’s Dragonfly shape (which is similar to Logitech’s G Pro), but as soon as I got my hands on a Rapoo VT3 Pro Max, it became my number 1 mouse. What I personally would suggest you is to look on [EloShapes](https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=razer-mamba-elite) for mouses that has a similar shape to the Mamba, this way you’ll know if the mouse you’re looking will fit your hand just fine. When I got my mouses/mice, I went for cheaper/cost-benefit options, just to test the shapes out. My plan was to move for a better mouse once I found my shape to go, but the VT3 fit me so good, that I just kept it.

I still love my G502 although been using my Razer vioer more often lately. The comfort of the G502 is not making me leave it though

i had a raza naga and basilisk. I also tried a g203 and razer viper, both of which were too small for my hands.

MX518. I wish they had wireless. Deathadder V3 Pro (I do also have the Hyperspeed too but I keep gravitating to the V3 Pro) I tried the Basilisk V3 (didn't like it), tried the Orochi V2 (too small and hurts hands), tried the Viper (preferred Deathadder V3 Pro better), tried the GPro (prefer Deathadder v3 pro much better) For eronomic office mouse I actually oddly enough loved the microsoft sculpt mouse. It's like a big ball. But it's discontinued now. I also like the MX Master 3 but it can feel clunky at times - but I rotate between that and the DAV3 Pro.

Razer is a gaming mouse company that makes the Vipers and DeathAdders that are best bought refurbished, I really wouldn't buy much of anything else from them. Their keyboards are way too expensive for what they compete with in the same price bracket nowadays, same with their headphones, and whatever else they make. If you ever own a razer mouse, get the software, choose your polling rates, and delete everything on your computer with the word razer on it.

A bigger mouse may not be better, you need a mouse that fits your hand , i had big mice but none realy felt good in my hand , then i tried a smaller mouse "razer viper" been in love with it ever since

I used to have a deathadder V2 (halo edition) and had to go to the Naga V2 hyperspeed as my adder died on me after a year. The Naga has been fantastic thus far, I'm a year and a half in and I love it. 12 side buttons, free spinning (and normal) scroll wheel, you can *sideclick* the scroll wheel (both directions) and customizable DPI from a button notched out of the Left mouse button. I don't know how similar to YOUR Naga it is, but I felt the need to specify. Out of all of razer mice I've owned the Naga V2 feels the best. Glorious Model O was my favourite by far but it's not an mmo style. (Or razer, lol) Little bit of extra context also: my Naga does NOT have the 'quick connect' side buttons like other models. Mine is an mmo style mouse and mmo style ONLY. Edit: I never put a list, but I owned 3 deathadders from the first edition, the v2 and the halo edition, 2 Nagas now (mmo and standard), as well as the... Viper? I think it's called. I didn't like it. The Naga is my favourite for versatility but the deathadder felt the nicest. It was also like $90 CAD. Downside is its a battery operated, takes a single AA

Imo Razer is not that good. I had everything from razer. headphones, mouse, mousepad, keeb etc. and I can say that the overall build quality is bad, but razer makes good switches. Switches in razer huntsman mini are really good. Edit: Headphones - Razer kraken first gen and Razer kraken X USB - broken after 5 months (Same happened to all my friends) Mouse - Razer basilisk X and Razer Viper - Viper fast teardown and rattling problem, basilisk - Sometimes it was losing connection (the receiver was 1m away from the mouse) Keyboard - Actually good I still have it

Everyone hates the clicks on the Deathadder and viper. I find them to be most satisfying out of any mice I’ve owned. They are very.. I dunno, surgical?

yea like a viper might be the best out there but not by a mile. although i do love mine

This is exactly what I'm going through right now. Ultimately I'd like to find a mouse with a shape thats an evolution of the g305. I've been looking at elo shapes to find a similar mouse but they don't really provide the curves of the mouse just the overall silhouette and size. Some of the mouse I've tried are the Razer Orochi v2, fantech aria, Razer viper, mchose l7, pulsar x2h, zaopin z1. So far I've liked the fantech aria shape the most out of all the mice I've tried but there hasn't been anything quite like the g305 shape other than ofcourse it's clone mice.

I've been through the same frustrations. My G502 started double-clicking, and then the Razer Viper had scroll issues. I eventually switched to the PowerColor Alphyn AM10 and it's been solid for me. No double-clicks, no scroll wheel glitches, and the build feels reliable. It’s wireless but you can still charge it, and the polling rates and sensor perform great even in fast-paced games. Definitely worth a look if you're done with Logitech and Razer.

Depends the price you’re getting I suppose but I really like the Razor Viper for a good budget mouse. But the best mouse IMO is the Logitech Superlight 2

Viper with its straight design i would say. Resistance on all directions will be equal.

Personally, I'll go with one of the following: Logitech g304/305 or g502, Razer Orochi or Viper, Attack Shark X3, VXE R1, Fantech Aria XD7 (Currently using this)

I find that interesting. I had a string of G502s fail after just a couple months of use . I switched to a Razer Viper and have had basically zero issues in the couple years I’ve had it.

I find that interesting. I had a string of G502s fail after just a couple months of use . I switched to a Razer Viper and have had basically zero issues in the couple years I’ve had it.

I find that interesting. I had a string of G502s fail after just a couple months of use . I switched to a Razer Viper and have had basically zero issues in the couple years I’ve had it.

Check out [prosettings](https://prosettings.net/lists/league-of-legends/) They mostly detail stuff for CS and Valorant pros where peripheral changes are a more popular topic. So the league list isn't exhaustive and not 100% up to date. As with other games, variants of the Razer Viper and Logitech G Pro dominate the list. But the G703, G903, and Deathadder also make appearances. Niche lightweight brands like Vaxeee and Finalmouse that have made inroads in CS and Valorant don't have much traction in league.

Unless I'm mistaken isn't the "Faker edition" of the v3 more similar to the v2 in some aspects? Also the drama of him being the guy on every death adder box, getting a signature edition, then switching to the viper because of wrist issues, then switching back to the deathadder? If I am remembering my insane Faker mouse timeline correctly?

Logitech G Pro 2 Lightspeed or another Razer Viper

usually any optical mice the optical mech click will never break before the rest of the mouse even with gateron/kailhua optical switches. I have a cheap shitty razer viper I got for $25 with optical mouse click and my issue is the scroll wheel is breaking.

Its good performance it's just razer build quality.

I'd say the viper

Well, I guess it's horses for courses. I tried the Viper, and I had really high hopes for the Corsair Scimitar Elite, but I really couldn't handle the software - I'm not one for all that rainbow unicorn shit and both Synapse and iCue seemed intent on destroying my minimalist colour scheme, as well as being almost impossible to consistently program macros to the buttons. At least with LGHUB, even though we all curse it, when it works it just works, and I found the SteelSeries software tolerable.

I have relatively bigger hands, and yeah I hold it near the same way. I am using g502 and viper, g502 is simply for work, it has many buttons, and viper is only because it is light...(I use gpro also)

Both are solid mice, just depends how much you value wireless vs wired. I will say, the older Viper shape is more similar to the Taipan. The Logitech Pro is more of a potato. I think both have buttons on both sides, as the older g pro had ones you could insert.

Great writeup. Mine arrived yesterday. It will be replacing my VV3P as I like the ergo shape of the DAV4P more. The improved battery life @ 1000Hz is a very welcomed change as well. I find myself charging my Viper every 4-5 days. The skates/glide on the V4 is far more glidier than my V3 as well.

You could get the razer viper for 1.9k but do not buy razer deathadder v2x, I bought it a few months ago and it's been a horrible experience. The mouse disconnects randomly both with 2.4hz and bluetooth connection.

Razer Viper is available on Flipkart for 1.9k Definitely the best mouse you could get from a decent brand with 2 years warranty. It has mechanical switches which last longer than optical switches.

To anyone shopping for a new mouse right now: Don't just blindly look at #1 and buy that. While there are objective details that make one mouse better than another, there are also very important subjective concerns. The Superlight is a phenomenal mouse on paper, for example, but my hand simply can't stand the shape of it. For the longest time I also felt I didn't like Razer's products, but it's actually their Viper that finally ended my search for a mouse. To that point, you probably should try to resist the temptation to swear allegiance to any particular brand. These companies improve (and degrade) over time. This is pretty good advice for shopping in the tech world in general, honestly, and you'll see in the comments that a lot of people struggle with it lol

Viper is nice. I liked the form of the deathadder myself. It's still superlight and responsive. Just felt a little nicer to my hand.

What mice are those you bought? I have a Viper lately and it still works for me after a year and a half, now I'm afraid it will stop working

What mice are those you bought? I have a Viper lately and it still works for me after a year and a half, now I'm afraid it will stop working

What mice are those you bought? I have a Viper lately and it still works for me after a year and a half, now I'm afraid it will stop working

Speaking of my favorite mouse of all time, I was just wondering when they were going to release a new model. Personally, I've only had the chroma version malfunction. Now I just wish they would make it slightly smaller and slightly lighter, nothing drastic. I own almost everyone except I believe the very first one of two they were way too big for my hand.

I use an MMO mouse with 1-12 on the side. Program those buttons to whatever you like, for example in FPS’ I use 4 as melee and 5 as grenade, etc. I’ve used razer naga molten, v2 and I just bought hyperspeed, love them. I’d recommend something like that. https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/ff3c0108-ae4d-4e03-a3ac-6c69a45d4e22.f6153b072aacaf0ff4f99182a3db7949.jpeg

I have the razer hyperspeed, don't get it. It uses batteries and weighs so much unless you get special batteries. Haven't had 1 and 2 but go with one of them