Razer - Viper V3 Pro

Viper v2pro v3pro.(V2 best shape, V3 "safe" shape) *best sensor imo/from experience, no debounce delay* Super light 2. *Good sensor and no debounce delay.* Op1 8k (cable) or wireless 4k. *Fastest clicks, it registers the click before you hear the click sound. Good sensor.* My favorite of them all, G-wolf HTR 8k pro. Tiny mouse At 26g, I'm 6'4 and can use this little thing without any issues. But I would recommend the Endgame gear OP1 8k, Great shape, great coating for grip even with sweaty hands, fastest clicks of any mouse due to their own switches and good sensor. Light weight software (*no install*). Good price.

you’ve got tiny hands. mine are slightly bigger and I didn’t like the superlight, too big to comfortably grip. the V3P and Maya X have a similar shape and size still, if I had to pick from your list, I’d go for the Sora V2. if you’d like a middle-placed hump, there’s the hitscan hyperlight, scyrox v6, atk f1 and many others and to answer your other question — unless you need a load of buttons, any mouse you’re comfortable with is also good for productivity and daily use

I'm having the same issue where it would not track for quite some time. Am currently in the process of RMA.

Hey did you update the firmware in your replacement viper v3? I had the same problem with my v3 where after updating it the problem became worse and it could not track on my hayate otsu. Wanted to know whether the firmware really is the cause.

If you have v3 pro you really don’t need anything else if you like the shape

Should end the thread here, I’ve tried over 10 high end mice and the viper is by far the best shape my my big hands

viper v3 pro easily the best and safest option. Its pretty much a better gpro superlight 2

This post is just what I needed. I also have the Viper V3 Pro, and while I've been really enjoying it and performing well, I felt the shape was lacking something for a while until I came across the Maya X. I tend to switch between claw, palm, and fingertip grips depending on the game, but the Viper V3 only feels ideal for claw and fingertip due to the hump placement and mostly flat (slightly curved) buttons. I think I’ll give the Maya X a try.

Yes, mainly I play RTS games either. But problem is nothing about the DPI itself. It will act same even if you use 1600dpi or 3200dpi or 800dpi like I said. When I move the mouse really really slow, it is acting like 1-100 dpi. Ive talk about it with ATK official support and they said return it. Ill return the mouse for fix, but meanwhile I bought Viper v3 Pro :D

I have said this many times on here before and still believe it to be true.... If you go strictly based on SW, I would pick Logitech Dex or SL 2. Why? It's the only SW I've found (and I think I've used them all) that can properly do an Aim Down Sight right click macro toggle. There are games like Cyberpunk that do not have Aim Down Sight as a toggle. And I hate holding the button to aim. Every other software does not allow me to create a macro to do this, including Synapse. Aside from that, I am not a fan of GHub. It's gotten better but it's still bloated. I think Synapse has made some headway with the Viper V3 Pro and DAV 3 HS where you can adjust sensor positions (not physically obv but you tell the SW that you are holding the mice at an angle). They also have ability to set 4k in game and default to 1k on desktop. It's little QOL features like that I enjoy especially if you make me install an app. I'd rather have just basic web app support though like the new Maya X and the Finalmouse blue one that came out a few months ago (forget the name).

the gpx2 is pretty bad value. The are a ton of great chineseium mice with amazing specs like the scyrox v8, f1/x1 pro/ultra, aj199 apex etc. Your best mass market option would probably be a viper v3p or v3hs but these may be a little expensive for you.

Razer Viper V3 Pro absolutely blew everything else out of the water. Second best is the G703. Nothing else worth purchasing unless you’re into the “niche” market, but those mice don’t even come close to be honest.

I’d put the money toward the V3 Pro. The 703 is a top tier mouse, but it’s pretty heavy and prone to scroll wheel lottery.

Regarding the latest firmware 1.12, try it at your own risk (because there's no downgrade option). There were people reporting that the update doesn't fix the issue but makes the mouse worse. I updated and it doesn't track on my hayate otsu mousepad anymore. Had to get a replacement.

I didn't update. My rma centre told me if it did occur again after an update they wouldn't give me a replacement. Plus, I actually didn't have any issues with the older firmware, so I didn't feel a need to update.

Yea. Some rma centres are trash. I wish razer could address this firmware issue. But I haven't seen an update for this mouse for almost 2 months. Oh well 🤷

Just pick your shape, amongs any of the 3950/8k capable mice out there. But if you just wanna play it safe and a technically superior 3950 just go viper v3 pro

I have the Maya X (Regular Lamzu Black), the GPX2, and the Viper V3 Pro and gave away the Logitech because in my opinion the Maya X and Viper V3 Pro are better mice. The Lamzu is my favorite out of the three mainly due to Razer’s awful software and the price. In terms of hardware quality I like the clicks, coating, sensor, and shape of the Lamzu better. People should really give the small guys a chance and stop falling for the big company marketing.

I recap after trying my Viper V3 Pro again. I don't want to like Razer and I still use a Keychron K2 HE instead of a Razer keyboard but the Viper V3 Pro has been more reliable on battery and the fact that I can plug it into a power block and it will charge while I still use the mouse on 4khz. I wouldn't say the build quality is better than the Lamzu but the charging while I play is a deal breaker for me. I don't want to go back to 1khz every time I charge which is why I use a power block. So I set the settings on the Viper V3 Pro in synapse and close the app so it isn't running. The mouse saves the profile settings. I like the Lamzu but the latest firmware screwed up the charging thing. It didn't do that before the latest firmware update.

Man please tell R&D to develop an optical switch for the middle click. My RVU was perfect aside from the middle click failing after 2 years. I now have a viper v3 pro but looks like it will suffer the same fate.

I’d post a picture but I can’t. Mouse: Main: Razer Viper V3 Pro / When it’s Dead: GPXSL2 Mousepad: Wallhack SP-004 Keyboard: Razer Blackwidow V2 Monitor: Alienware AW3225QF

How is the coating on it? I have a razer viper v3 pro and its coating is the best i have ever used.

If you are unlucky enough, yes. I am squeezing every bit of work power out of my Viper V3 Pro to compensate for its cost.

Hey! I have been reading a lot of comments and posts about the Naga and I would like to ask. How hard do you use your MMB and the wheel in general and, in your opinion, would the scroll wheel problems stem from its heavy usage? I am using a Viper V3 Pro as an office mouse with MMB mapped with various functions using AHK - i basically use MMB all the time. I wonder if you use it as much as I do. Thank you.

Agreed. I had g502 ever since they came out with proteus until few weeks ago when I got a viper v3 pro. I thought the g502 had always fit my hands the best and my wrist was fucked regardless of what type of mouse I use. That is, until I switched to viper v3 pro. First, the mouse weight difference is just insane, and the comfort is something else. LASTLY the most important part, THE FUCKING DOUBLE CLICK ISSUE with logitech mice. i ALWAYS had to get a replacement then had to buy a new mouse for same exact fucking problem, but I kept buying g502 since the mouse model felt familiar. So glad i made the switch /endrant

I have the Viper V3 Pro and I love it…when it works. Mine has a constant stutter that I have to pick up the mouse and put it down again to reset it. Super frustrating in games. I’ve updated firmware, made sure there’s no interference. Apparently it’s a common issue. So now I’m in the market for a different mouse.

If you mainly play fps games, logitech g pro superlight 2 or razer viper v3 pro are probably the best pick.

I use the Razer Viper V3 Pro, and I find it amazing. I've heard good things about an OP1 and the Hyper X pulsefire. Only thing I can tell you not to do is to buy Glorious or Bloody mice. They have terrible build qualities.

Hello my mouse lovers and enthusiasts! Today's question/discussion is pretty simple, but important. What is your favorite mouse of all time in terms of shape. Now, this could be a mouse that you haven't used in a long time because it's outdated or it could be your current main mouse. I'm asking because I'm curious how many people prefer small or large mice. I know mice like the SUPERLIGHT have a super safe shape which is why it's so popular. There's also mice like the G703, where a lot of people LOVE the shape but don't it isn't used a lot because of how outdated it is. My favorite ambidextrous shape RIGHT NOW has to be the LA-1. Even though I've only owned this mouse for a little under a month, the shape is just perfect for my hand and grip style. I know the mouse itself isn't popular, but it's my favorite right now i terms of shape. The Razer Viper V3 Pro is a VERY close 2nd. My favorite ergonomic mouse shape is easily the Razer Deathadder V3 Hyperspeed. Although I don't use ERGO mice, the Deathadder v3 hyperspeed is just super comfortable. I only use ergonomic mice for casual games typically. Thanks for reading and have a great rest of your day! (Side note: I ordered two new mice. The Waizowl OGM Cloud V2 and the Pulsar X3 Mini. Can't wait to get my hands on them.)

Razer Viper V3 Pro. Imported from Japan.

The viper v3 has that, the Viper v3 Hyperspeed came out before the Viper v3 pro

My GPX 2 with stock skates spins out on my SP-004 regardless of G Hub settings. I’m currently using the Viper V3 Pro with Obsidian dot skates and it’s been an incredibly smooth experience.

The v3 pro has only been out about a year so doubt they are going to release another flagship mouse soon. And they make nothing better from a performance standpoint.

In my personal opinion and it's because I own one is Viper V3 Pro wireless, I have been using it for some time and I really like it.

best if you have money - razer viper v3 pro more budget friendly but still very good - darmoshark m3 pro

I liked my G502 for the extra buttons in Warframe. There’s the new X variant if you want to stick with it. I’m currently using a Viper V3 Pro as my main and absolutely love it. I do wish it had an extra thumb button though.

Mouse: Razer Viper V3 Pro (Superglides and Supergrips) Mousepad: Razer Strider Keyboard: Wooting 80HE (L45 V2s) Mostly playing PoE2 / Last Epoch / Rust. I generally have 1-2 games I play at a time and tend to drop/pickup a different game every 4-6 weeks.

Oh that’s the only mouse i use and i love it. Much better than my previous mouse (gpx 2) but i respect it.

I would dare to agree with fellow Redditors on letting him pick one instead of surprising him, but then I think of the Logitech Superlight X and Razer Viper V3 Pro, both for fingertip/claw grip and the Razer DeathAdder V3 Pro for claw/palm grips...

Mouse - Razer Viper v3 Pro (with speed dot skates) Mousepad - Artisan FX raiden xl soft/wallhack sp004 Keyboard - Wooting 60HE (modded) I only Play Valorant and single player games

Anything at this stage...but i'm currently maining the xlite V4 and the viper v3 pro

I just think it’s the viper v3 pro in the camo coating that razer sent to zekken and he uses in his streams he isn’t partnered with razer anymore since he removed teamrazer from his twitter bio

Is there any picture of the dongle? Since we already know the Deathadder v4 has a different dongle that might be a way to tell if it’s a viper v4 because it looks really similar to my viper v3 pro, razer has had the same looking dongle for all their mouse so if they are releasing a viper v4 I would expect the dongle to look like the dav4s one for brand consistency

It's a good mouse. I wouldn't say better than VV3 Pro, but def worth the money. I'm testing the ultra atm. Check my YT short. I'd get the pro for best value. ATK X1 is a lighter alternative with optical switches. Can't go wrong either way.

The weights are all similar, but they are a very different experience. I enjoy the VV3 and all of its clones much more than the GPX. The GPX is great, but the shape is very safe and generic. The viper is safe but with more character.

>The reason why I stuck with this mouse is because it had no side buttons for me to worry about accidentally pressing, and also just in case if the game's anti cheat detected pressing them as cheating.  most paranoid thing I have ever heard. it's actually harder to find (good) mice without side buttons on the market. not attacking you, i just think it's funny as it's basically a non-issue and always has been. 99% of games don't bind sidebuttons to anything, for fear of the end user not having them (I only know of one title that has it hard coded for weapon swapping), and i doubt any anti-cheat flags sidebutton/combination presses as cheating lol. higher polling rates (the 4000 to 8000 range) are only noticed, much less appreciated, with a high performing PC (good CPU, as high polling rates utilise the CPU a lot). you'd also need a high refresh rate monitor and generally a low latency set up overall. the lag caused by high polling rates due to the toll it takes on the CPU far outweighs any benefit it might have. but sure, seeing what higher polling rates can do may be interesting, though most people just stick with a standard 1000. I personally own the VV3 Pro, and have tried out the DAV3 HS previously. they weight around the same, but are different shapes and slightly different sizes [according to eloshapes](https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=razer-viper-v3-pro-vs.-razer-deathadder-v3-hyperspeed) but to someone with bigger hands on this sub (20x9 hands, light/relaxed claw grip) the difference was night and day. my fingers went over the clicks on the DAV3, but that only happens occassionally with my right finger on the Viper (and i can correct for it w/o being uncomfortable - my conclusion is that's it's def not a palm grip mouse unless you have smaller hands). as for the OP1, depends what variant, wired, wireless, polling rate? the OP18K (with mouse bungee) is one of the top reccomended mice on this sub.

Price to performance would be Waizowl Cloud for me but I would lie if I said I don't enjoy Viper V3 Pro.

I managed to snag a working v3 pro on eBay for 60$

Hoping to get a shell mod going🤞🏽 Besides mounting points for the pcb and the upper switch pcb middle button have longer stems it fits in most g pro mods with minor tinkering.

No, that was an ergo shape, most likely testing the Deathadder V4 Pro. This is different. It's an ambi shape. It's most likely a Viper V3 Pro but a low hump version like the original Viper lineup.

The ultralight is really nice if you play fast paced shooters a lot, and I love how weightless the mice I use feel when using them actively. The issue is Glorious has horrible QC, horrible longevity, horrible marketing, meh coatings, and just too expensive for the lack of quality they provide compared to other vendors. But yea as a result the #1 mouse I recommend for most folks is the Viper V3 Pro since its comfortable for most in the hand, hella lightweight, fantastic performance etc, QC nowadays is extremely good, etc etc. But yea most mice today just run 2 side buttons since most games don't really call for more than 2 except namely MMOs which have massively fallen out of favor in the west compared to FPS games.

It's only problem on razer's deathadder v3 pro and viper v2 pro and they probably fixed it in new versions. If you still have gwarannty you can do rma. If you want new mouse i reccomend you endgame gear xm2 8k or op1 8k if wired. If wireless there's many options, if you liked viper v2 pro i reccomend you viper v3 pro.

I switch between my white v3 pro and sentinels v3 pro just bc the coating feels different, it could be that

Been loving the razer viper v3 pro with pulsars supergrip.

Doesn't the Viper v3 pro have a DPI button on the bottom?

Really depends what kind of gamer you are. Many people in this sub are FPS players who value weight above everything. This almost always means 4 button mice (excluding wheel). If thats you the viper v3 pro is a solid choice. Probably the most popular mouse at the moment and for a reason. If you like using mouse keybinds something with a few more could better fit you. (Razer basilisk v3 pro, logitech g604 etc). For office work, IMO, an off the shelf 20-30$ mouse from a decent brand (logtech, asus, etc) is usually best. As long as it has soft mechanical switches, and ideally side buttons too, it works for me.

VIPER V3 PRO, it's great so far, absolutely loving it.

ZOWIE U2-DW PULSAR X2CL WLMOUSE BEAST MINI X PRO VIPER V3 PRO (skip if you don't want to deal w/ razr software) are some of the notable high-quality ones at the moment.

You can find New/openbox stuff on ebay or mercari, Viper V3 Pro would be my safe pick under 100. for example: https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m51455507583/?ref=search_results

sealed viper v3 pro off ebay for < $100

Razer viper v3 pro, but only when they fix the sensor tracking issue.

isn't this just the early viper v3 pro before it was released, with the custom "camo" print to hide the vv3p's footprint? i could be wrong

yes, hate to be the guy but this mouse zekken is using is still the viper v3 pro

I’m 21x11 and claw I use the Maya x comfortably probably the best light weight option or xm2 8k viper v3 pro beast x max all work comfortably you hands are wide but not that long

Just get a viper v3 pro or maya x. They're super safe.

theres just other alternatives nowadays that brings more value for the price. For example with the razer viper v3 pro you get a mouse that is better suited for claw and has MUCH better stock mouse feet. The G Pro shape is arguably also a little too safe for some, as you should find one that is specifically your hand size and grip style. But dont get me wrong its still a great mouse

It would be strange if I (owner of Viper V3Pro) will tell You that some other mouse is better. For me my Razer VV3Pro is the best. All 5 mouses on the bottom looks good (but VV3Pro is better-:)-:)-:). Maybe You can cut off Thorn - Maya X is better IMHO. Also it is a bit strange size choice of mouses VV3Pro is 127 mm, Superlight 2 is 125 mm, Maya X - 124 mm, but Thorn and Vaxee are 119 mm - upper 3 mouses are quite different from last 2. Tell Your hand size and grip, then someone can suggest You something As many people here - the same quantity of opinions reg best mouse. Only You can choose Your best mouse. Make a look what pro gamers use [https://prosettings.net/guides/gaming-mouse/](https://prosettings.net/guides/gaming-mouse/)

Most likely the mouse wheel is without support on one side or with a broken support. G502 is quite big mouse for Your 19 cm hand. If You really like Logitech - then watch on G Pro X Superlight-2 (or Superlight2 DEX). From other good mouses I would recommend 1. Razer Viper V3 Pro 2. Razer Deathadder V3 Pro, 3. Asus ROG Harpe Ace Aim Lab Edition. From Chinese mouses You can request ATK X1 Ultimate (version with 8K Dongle which sometimes goes as present to other versions of this mouse) - I've heard already a lot of good references about this mouse. All above will fit Your hand.

No doubt, Razer Viper V3 Pro is better than others in list. But Viper is considerable bigger than Your Logitech b100 . As per size of Your Logitech b100 I would take Endgame Gear OP1we (or Endgame Gear OP1w 4K).

what about the attack shark r5 ultra? i think its better than my viper v3 pro

op1 if you want a rounder feeling hump in your palm, and the sora if you want high and wide feeling in your palm. I'd say don't go for the x2h since it's really bulky, rounded, and aggressive in your palm unless you like it (just grip a ping pong ball in your palm if you're curious), and for the viper v3 pro well the button heigh would be too high tbh and the overall size isn't that good for your handsize unless you do relax claw so just skip that I'd say.

I do not like my viper v3 pro. Maybe it works for some, but the non-ergo design feels bad for me.

Nah liking heavier mice is not an unpopular opinion, it's just not as many people wanting to go for heavier mice now which shows in the consumer mouse market. It's the same for monitors where it used to be CRT monitor which phased into TN panels which then phased into IPS panels for preference and now OLEDs. I started with the 229g G602 about 10 years ago to end up with mice under 60g like Pulsar X2v2, Deathadder v3H, and Viper v3 Pro.

Newer opticals feel great IMO, but it really depends on the implementation. I really like the click feel of opticals on my Viper V3 Pro

The Viper V3 Pro is a pretty safe pick

I'm currently using gpx2 as my main and I experienced vv3 pro but ended up returning it due to rma (2 times might get again on a new batch). I don't have idea about others so, I can only compare these two but I also heard they all are great mice. On comparison between vv3 pro and gpx2, first of all, main differences are clicks and shape other features such as sensor, built quality etc. very much identical on both but again about built quality, I had rma twice on vv3 pro due to pre travels, creaking and rattling. As a reference for the shape I'm a hard claw user so, hump towards back on the gpx2 gives more support at the back of my hand. Centred hump on the vv3 pro fills my hand more compared to gpx2. I like the hump support at the back of gpx2. Since the shape of gpx2 so safe, you might have a difficult time on finding a proper grip, I've been using gpx shape for almost 5 years and sometimes even my aim feels bit unstable (it gets back to normal after an hour). On the other hand, vv3 pro forced me to use a dedicated grip thus I didn't need to spend that much time to warm up my aim but I felt the lack of back support during my time with it. I only could use vv3 pro for 2 days so I believe if I had more with it I would get used to the shape. I could even performed bit better than gpx2 due to the stableness of vv3 pro. Also, gpx2 stock skates are the worst I've ever used and I ended up getting tiger ice v2 yet still not that satisfied so I will try dot skates. Additionally, for your hand size vv3 pro might feel a little big. Hope this helps you to pick one.

I do not recommend the OG g pro superlight. The debounce time is too high for fast mechs. Causes desync between your keyboard and your mouse when editing and creates timing issues. Get the superlight 2 if you wanna go for Logitech. Other than that, the viper v3 pro is very good and the hitscan hyperlight is a mini version of the v3 pro

Vv3 pro is good but I think it is not a mouse for smaller hand. if you are into lighter option try ATK F1 Extreme or Hitscan Hyperlight These both have some similarity with the viper mini. IMO op1 is very narrow so it is not for everyone but some people love it.

Viper v3 pro is currently the best on the market imo but its a little bit overpriced. I got it for 172$ off of amazon which is insane now im thinking about it how much more expensive mice have gotten. It also comes with the 8k dongle included so at least thats something.

Yeah you are right, vv3 got the 3950 sensor in it the op1 8k 3395 performance wise in games hard to tell but yeah performance wise op1 8k beats the vv3 simply because it’s a wired mouse

VV3 is hands down the most comfortable shape I’ve ever used

If you want *by far* the best battery life, Viper V3 Hyperspeed, Orochi V2, G305 - so, ones that use AA batteries - have at least double that of ones with rechargeable batteries. >200 hours. Viper V3 Pro and Superlight 2 are both good choices, both claim 95 hours battery life using 1K polling.

Mouse: Viper v3 Pro Mousepad: LLG Saturn Pro Keyboard: Wooting HE Monitor: MSI MPG27Q QD-OLED Game: CS2 💩

I currently use the razer viper v3 pro and it actually fits all your criteria’s beautifully! The reason I like it more than a superlight is cause it’s build design is really good, it’s lighter than a superlight , doesn’t have many buttons but the two buttons it has are actually pretty good and not annoying and low quality like the superlight plus it’s less prone to double clicking. I have used both of them and the razer viper v3 pro clears but it’s a bit on the expensive side if you don’t mind. Plus im pretty sure it also has a white model

I love the viper V3 pro, the damn scroll wheel shitting out is painful though.

Every mouse ive had does this at some point. Fantastic mouse love it, but the scroll wheel after about a 1-1.5 years of use will get funky. Really annoying, scrolling too quickly one way will make it go the opposite or not register scrolls.

Viper v3 pro and G pro X superlight 2. Both are wireless mice on the larger side and you can easily palm either one, both are great shapes as well. They also both have really low click latency and sensor latency.

the superlight 2 is very good mouse and very nice to play with. nice universal shape shape, nice performance, very good battery life - I use it and I seriously have no intention of changing it (unlike my previous 3 vipers v3 pro which had problems with sensors lol)

Just got mine on Friday and it’s a dream.

GM Groot: ATK X1 Ultimate, QCK heavy, edpi 1400 ([email protected]). The mouse is new to me, previously on model O pro and vv3 pro.

keep in mind i own a vv3 pro and a ulx and I can tell you having a big ass hole in your mouse is not beneficial at all

I love my beast x, but you're probably better off buying a Viper v3 pro.

Razer mice only relatively recently has gotten pretty good. Dav3 and viper v3 pro are solid. The rest of their entire product line, not so much.

Wooting 60he, viper V3 pro, valorant (immo 2)

Depends what you're playing, and what style of grip you have, what your budget is. r/mousereview It's a rabbit hole. But you can't go wrong with gpx2, viper v3 pro

Just don’t but a mouse solely for the 8k hz polling rate. Theres a lot of info on youtube about it, basically its useless and it strains your CPU more, on top of that it drains the battery of the mouse very fast. I recently bought the Razer Viper V3 pro, its very light, i put it on 2k hz polling rate. Before this one I had the Razer Deathadder, but i recommend the viper v3 pro! Hope this helps

Viper v3 pro. Got large hands. Love it

Mouse: Razer Viper V3 Pro Mousepad: Steel Series QCK-Performance (Speed) Keyboard: Wooting 60HE+ Headphones: KZ ZAS IEMs. Game: Apex

Honestly, just switch from GPX 2 to Viper V3 pro, it is expensive but it puts the gpx 2 to shame in my opinion. Better build quality, better click response, better click feeling on the side buttons, the bigger size makes it much more intuitive to use than the potato shape of the gpx (but thats personal preference), only place the viper is beat is on the battery. But it does not feel like a normal razer product, I would highly recommend for fortnite (and I have small hands, the mouse is not that big)

I had surgery in both hands due to carpal tunnel, and so far the g403/703 and the Teevolution Terra have been the best so far with hand cramps. I'm able to have a more relaxed grip compared to my viper v3 pro. I'm really digging the Terras weight. But I'm also trying to use lower sensitivity with a bigger pad to limit wrist movement and use more of my arm.

I had Naga Pro fail on me because of the left mouse click as well and IIRC there was something with scroll too. Last year I moved to DeathAdder V3 Pro, but the scroll has issue as well, just like my partner's Viper V2 Pro. When you scroll backwards, randomly, the computer thinks that you're scrolling forwards, so imagine you're scrolling down website or zooming out in wow, but instead it scrolls upwards or zooms in lol. Tried replacing the scroll myself, but it was very difficult to solder in the new scroll (5 pins) with the cheap solder I have. You have to put the scroll's pins through the motherboard holes and solder it in. Don't really have anything to hold the motherboard and the solder takes like 50s to melt for each pin, so very difficult to melt all 5 at once and position the scroll properly. So I just ended up buying new one - Viper V3 Pro. The side buttons feels better, the scroll feels different as well, so hopefully it will last longer this time around. Despite all these reliabilities issues, I am liking the new mouse and hope it will be more reliable this time around. I will bring the deathadder v3 and viper v2 mouses to some mobile phone repair shop and hopefully they'll be able to solder the new scroll in proper position, so I can keep it as spare or something.

safe shape: super light 2, fastest wireless: viper v3 pro, fastest mouse (wired): op1 8k

Viper v3 Pro is pretty consensus S tier mouse with a safe shape for different grip styles.

Logitech Superlight 2, or Razer Viper V3 Pro are your safest options.

Gpro superlight or viper v3 pro. Light mice are the best. I prefer the superlight.

If ur bf is a fps player there is only one option u should buy : Razer Viper v3 pro. It is the best of the best gaming mouse ever and forever.

Normally v2 looks more beautiful imo. But 8k polling rate, better sensor and 4g lightweight make v3 too much better.

As an owner of both, I'd go with the **Viper V3 Pro**. The Hyperspeed was a great choice when it was the only model of the V3 shape, but after the Pro was released, there's no reason to go back. **Sensor** The forward sensor of the Hyperspeed was meant to be a feature beneficial to wrist aimers, but as a wrist aimer myself, I'm not a fan. I switch between mice a lot, and it makes adjusting to a different sensor feel awkward. I don't see this being an issue if you don't swap between mice often, just food for thought. **Switches** Hyperspeed has mechanical switches, Pro has optical. Both implementations are great, this one's purely subjective. I prefer the optical. **Coating** This is where the Pro shines, honestly. The Pro has more of a "smooth" coating, that becomes incredibly grippy once your hand settles. I can lift this mouse with minimal effort compared to any other mouse I own. The Hyperspeed still has an enjoyable coating, just a tad bit coarse, and not as grippy. **Budget** Obviously the V3 Pro price is a bit excessive, but if your budget allows, I'd easily recommend it over the other options. If you're looking to save on price, [the ATK X1 has practically the same size and specs, just not name branded Razer.](https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=ATK-X1-Pro-Max-vs.-Razer-Viper-V3-Pro) V3 Pro > ATK X1 > Hyperspeed Hope this helps!

Not even close, maybe in the top 500 best wireless mice? Viper v3 pro way better than gpx 2 btw, and there are a ton of mice better than gpx 2 imo, only good thing about gpx is battery life

Deathadder v3 hyperspeed Is smaller and has a 3995 sensor, while the Pro Is bigger and has a 3950, the viper v3 pro has a totally different shape and use a 3970. They all are very good mouse, viper v3 pro Is the best, you can compare the shapes on eloshapes.com

Pretty much just this. I can’t stand the wire so I stay on the vv3 pro but the op1k is the only mouse that “feels” like a diff

On paper the Viper V3 pro, but I think the shape is not good for most people and really only for large hands.

I've had 3 viper v3 pros and all have had issues with the sensor. I ended up going back to my Deathadder V3 pro

Depends on many factors, such as budget, size of hands, grip style, personal preference etc etc Out of the 2 you mentioned, the Viper lineup is a safer choice than the Deathadder because it is symmetrical and adapts to more grip styles and hand sizes. Meanwhile the Deathadder lineup is asymmetrical (or also called "ergonomic") and the V3 Pro is on the bigger size of gaming mice. I would honestly struggle to mainly use a deathadder v3 pro as my mouse because it would be too big for me. Both are exceptional mice in their own ways. Razer products arent always good but their gaming mice definitely are, especially their flagship products. I dont justify their price tag but if money is not a problem, then go for it, they are good products As for other mice suggestions, there are hundreds of good ones on the market right now. I'm not exaggerating and I'm not joking. But without more input on your side, about what you would like and your characteristics, it's hard to give a good suggestion or general advice

DAV3 and viper V3 pro for razer

Deathadder V3 hyperspeed is just a small version of the dav3 and dav3 pro Basilisk v3 is bad many buttons and heavy you don't need those for fps games. Viper v3 pro and dav3 or dav3 pro is my pick here

Pro is just a wireless version and expensive viper and dav3 are different shape wise

If you like the safe shape and rounded back get the gpx2 if not you want a flat back viper V3 pro

Viper V3 pro, Dav hyperspeed v3 and really like viper mini (still waiting for a pro version 😭)

I am 7ft tall so my hands are also really big. I tried Logitech superlight and it was not the right fit for me at all. I then switched to Razer Viper PRO v3 and it comes with the grips, it feels really good imo.

My two most used in 2024 are probably: - Zowie U2: probably favorite shape overall for my grip (relaxed claw mostly). Only 1k polling but not a huge deal to me, I’m not playing high stakes tournaments, and 4k/8k are fractional gains anyway. - Viper V3 Pro: For when I want something a little fuller in hand. It has replaced my GPX 2 for the most part so far. Arguably the best mouse tech, but typically run it in 2k or 4k. 8k is too much battery drain. Honorable mentions: I do still go back to the Lamzu Maya 4k or Vaxee NP-01s 4k as well, when I want something smaller. Have an XE-s on the way which might serve same purpose. Curious if the new Maya will be worth upgrading, I do like the clicks of the first version.

If you can afford the v3 pro Just go for it dude.

Hyper speed is pretty much a smaller v3 pro, with weaker internals for a much more reduced weight but not an exact downsize.

The shape is perfect in my opinion. I could never get used to the GPX potato shape, but the Viper v3 Pro felt just right to me.

I have a few. For ambi, it's Viper v3 and XM2w. For ergo it's EC2 and G502.

I tried my attack shark x3 max. The razer viper v3 pro and the logitech g pro superlight 2. All of the have the same Problem no matter if Dongle the little usb stick or usb c cable.

Another vote for the viper v3 pro! Been awesome so far

Viper V3 pro or ATK X1 Ultimate. Thats about it if you are coming from a G pro.

Viper v3 pro here . Is a Good mouse with a cheaper plastic .

I was in the same boat a few months ago and ended up going with the Razer Viper V3 Pro. It’s been fantastic. Super light, no noticeable latency, and the new sensor is dead accurate. I was skeptical about wireless for years, but honestly, it feels just as fast as wired now. I also tried the Pulsar X2H Wireless and it’s a solid option too, especially for the price. Great shape if you claw or fingertip. If you’re on a tighter budget or just prefer wired, I still think the XM1r holds up really well. But wireless is the way to go these days IMO, tech’s caught up.

Zaopin Z2 and Viper v3 Pro for me.

Yup, I had 2 that developed double scrolling on the mouse wheel and the 3rd had tracking issues. Great mouse whilst it works. Switched to a Razer Viper V3 Pro and I'm on my second already. This time it was mouse wheel double clicking. All I can say is the RMA process for both companies have been great. I wish they could make a mouse that works long term. Worth noting I'm in the UK. The retailer will often help you out. Sorry to my US bros.

Anyone playing at an above-average or higher tier of play will ABSOLUTELY notice the performance difference between a razer viper v3 pro and a G309 and I can personally confirm the pixel level precision I get from ultra-light mice when playing Tarkov / Arena Breakout Infinite / The Finals. Flicks are more accurate, pixel peeping is more accurate, less need for muscle compensation when the mouse is lighter than 60 grams, etc. Not trying to be an asshole but you need to be good to notice the difference

The command is def just because he can't talk about it yet. Checked his most recent stream and he has a top view handcam, sides look flatter than v3 pro.

a new shape with a reputable company is always interesting. i’m currently using a pulsar by you x2v2 medium and i love it. realized by using this and the razer viper v3 pro that i like claw grip the best. i bet this thing is a banger like the rest of the the pulsar mice

honestly, upgrading to a viper v3 pro from a model I did improve my aim. Not by a huge amount, but noticeable nonetheless.

yeah, we got the Aerox 5 and the Model I 2 but those are about it. If a company released a lightweight(ish) 3 or 4 side button mouse, I would leap on it right away. For now, my Model I is being replaced by Viper V3 pro. My hand keeps going to side buttons that don't exist 😭

Viper V3 Pro is the best symmetrical mouse in terms of performance, and the Deathadder v3 is the best ergonomic in terms of performance righr now (will probably be refreshed soonish)

There's no "best mouse for X game", it's either a good mouse for you or not If you want recommendations, you should have looked how to ask because you did not give useful information. What gripstyle you use, your hand size, stuff like that. If you have the V3 Pro and are fine with it, technically there's nothing better than this, but shape is king. Instead of trying to see which has the best sensor or "best performance" (whatever that means), go look for something that will fit you like a glove.

Just as usual : You aren't giving any useful information about WHAT would be the best pick for you There is no "best mouse of the market" otherwise we would all be using it Hand size, grip style are minimum required for people to give personalized recommendations. Maybe try some of the safest shapes available, GPX2 and Razer Viper V3, for 200€ max then the V3 Pro might be the best choice. But because you don't give information we just can't know if something might suit you better

I use a viper v3 pro and have no issues with binds on any class.

Man I’ve been trying to find my end game mouse and it’s so frustrating! I had a GPW but I’ve been having some issues with it so I bought the pulsar xlite v3 medium and the DAV3 Pro and the Pulsar seemed a little small for me, I’m still deciding on the DAV3 Pro. I’m not used to using ergo mice, so I’m having a bit of trouble deciding if it’s comfortable or not. I’m used to the smooth centered hump of the GPW fitting right into my palm as it feels nice to rest my hand on the hump sometimes during fatigue. The DAV3 Pro hump is a little aggressive, especially for where it’s located, but depending on how I grip it, I can find comfortable positions, so I’m still testing it, as it’s still somewhat comfortable. I just got the white VV3 Pro today and I looooove the white and the coating and literally everything about the mouse EXCEPT the shape! I seriously want to love it soooo bad, it performs extremely well, feels like I have full control with it, super light, but man, even though the hump looks fairly centered, when you’re actually holding it, it feels like it’s more back-positioned, so it digs into your palm and kinda forces your wrist at a slight upward angle, putting more stress on your fingers and causing fatigue. I’m looking into trying out the Superlight 2 Dex and maybe the Lamzu Maya X. Is there anything anyone can recommend that’s close in shape to the GPW with a centered hump, maybe even a little higher? I’m not sure how I would describe my grip, I suppose palm grip? I do curl my fingers a little bit, but not aggressively enough that I would consider it a claw grip, but while gaming, I do tend to lift my palm slightly from the hump (sometimes still touching slightly, but depends what I’m doing in-game) with the bottom of my palm still making contact with the hump as well

I had the G502 but always felt it was heavy after trying a lightweight mouse. Ended up with a Viper V3 Pro. It’s more than your price range but honestly it’s so good it doesn’t matter.

Razer viper v3 pro. Because alot of pro players use it and because I suggest it after having owned about 8 mouses myself coming from semi-pro FPS games.

I love my Razer viper v3 pro

Ich habe auch keine der genannten Probleme, sie funktioniert perfekt in meinem Fall. Ich habe die Schwarze Razer Viper V3 Pro. Bin sehr zufrieden damit, die Logitech G Pro Superlight lag im vergleich nicht angenehm in meiner Hand. Habe meist einen "relaxed claw grip".

[Razer Viper V3 Pro | Lamzu Maya X | Macveth Genkaku Micro-control](https://preview.redd.it/k1yzownj8ayd1.png?width=2000&format=png&auto=webp&s=57965a647ba8d6fd6aa05a241c825a32ebbfb004) [Razer Viper V3 Pro | Macveth Genkaku Micro-control](https://preview.redd.it/v0peffbn8ayd1.png?width=2000&format=png&auto=webp&s=c047095ea615bcce00c6e31df04f7c39e5220642) [Lamzu Maya X | Macveth Genkaku Micro-control](https://preview.redd.it/fshraaip8ayd1.png?width=2000&format=png&auto=webp&s=c3ce4a6279e42b3961a85cc5f1b031712d0679ee) [ATK X1 Pro | Razer Viper V3 Pro | Macveth Genkaku Micro-control](https://preview.redd.it/acgtlfir8ayd1.png?width=2000&format=png&auto=webp&s=764cee4b2f7cfdde63e163795d766f18efeb6075) ***Razer Viper V3 Pro Review*** After years of wanting a Razer Viper, and after months of contemplating if I should buy the VV3 Pro, I finally caved in and bought one. **Build Quality:** Build quality is very solid, it doesn't feel hollow at all, compared to my other mice, it feels a lot more full making it feel a lot more solid than my other mice. **Shape:** The shape feels amazing, it is extremely similar to the ATK X1 with the X1 being the clone of the VV3 Pro, though there are some notes that I've found different between the two. Obviously the M1 and M2 buttons being longer on the VV3 Pro and the Side buttons on the X1 being pushed more to the front than the VV3 being on the middle, but one thing that I've also noticed is the hump. The Hump on the ATK X1 feels a bit more sharper/pointed than the VV3, the VV3 Pro's hump is a bit flatter than the X1 but still more pointed than the Lamzu Maya X. **Weight:** Advertised as 55g for the White version and 54g for the Black version, my copy came in at 54.9g so it's very nice to see that it's being true to it's advertised weight as well like the Maya X. It definitely feels a bit heavier than my other mice, but it's not enough to really give me a hard time when using the mouse. **Coating:** Coating feels amazing, definitely true to the reviews from other people. It's feels like a thick rubberized coating with a little bit of chalkiness but still smooth to the touch, I can safely say that it's even better than the Scyrox V8's coating, and the coating on that is amazing as well, it gets very grippy when your hands starts to warm up and get a bit moist, but it does get a bit sticky from time to time, just depends on how moist your hands get, but it doesn't bother me at all since I like very grippy mice. Another thing to note is that it doesn't absorb moisture as good when your hands are extremely moist, but with a little bit of wiping off it becomes nice and grippy again. **Skates:** I've heard a lot about how great Razer skates are in their recent releases but I didn't know they were this great. The skates are very smooth and very fast on my Macveth Micro-control pad, and I'd say that my pad is close to a fast hybrid pad like a Razer Strider and Artisan Hien, though I can't really confirm since I haven't tried both. I have jade dots on my X1 Pro and Ice V2 dots on my Maya X and they're fast, but the VV3's skates are very close to the jade dots when it comes to speed. However I haven't had the mouse for a long time so I'll have to get back once I've really put hours into the mouse. But overall the skates are amazing. **Conclusions:** The Razer Viper V3 Pro is my dream mouse, I've always wanted to get a Razer Viper since the Original Viper ultimate, I've had the Viper Mini wired but it's a bit too small for my hands, and having the Viper V3 Pro now, just feels like a dream come true, I want to say that this mouse is my Endgame but my love for mice is too much for me to stop the hobby, just yet. But I can safely say that this is my go to mouse, I highly recommend this if you have the money to buy it, it's a great claw grip mouse with an amazing coating and an amazing shape, the only downside that I see on this mouse is the Price. But overall an amazing pick up for me. ***Lamzu Maya X After 1 month of use*** The Maya X has been an amazing addition to my rotation, and I've been really enjoying the mouse ever since I got it. If you're interested in seeing my First Impressions review for the Maya X here is the [Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/1fy4igi/look_what_came_in_today_lamzu_maya_x_first/) for it. **Build Quality:** Build quality after a month has been great, still very much the same to my first impressions with little to no flexing, no creaking, and an overall very solid structure. **Shape:** The shape feels amazing, with the mouse having a wider back but still having a decently high hump, perfect for relax claw grip. the sides are wide but still having grooves to rest your fingers into, though not as slim as the waist of the ATK X1 and the VV3 Pro, it's definitely comfortable enough for most users. Overall a very comfortable mouse to have. **Weight:** The weight was 47g with the stock skates, but I've replaced the stock skates with Tiger Ice V2 dots and now the mouse weighs at around 46.2g, not much to really notice but still nice to have a slightly lighter mouse. **Coating:** The Coating on the Maya X is actually great, it's a bit chalky but still smooth to the touch, it gets grippy once your hands starts to warm up and get a bit moist, though I do need to add grip tape on it since I can't get a consistent grip when my hands get too sweaty. **Skates:** The stock skates really aren't that bad, the only reason I changed them was to try the Tiger Ice V2's since I was comparing them with the X-raypad Jades, but overall the stock Lamzu Skates are very good, not as good as Razer stock skates but still very good. **Conclusion:** The Lamzu Maya X will continue to be on my rotation, but it's definitely a great contender for Mouse of the Year and a great contender for and Endgame mouse if you're looking for one. I highly recommend the Maya X, it's definitely competitive with the other mice out there, and It's an amazing pick up for me as well. **Overall:** The Viper V3 Pro and the Maya X are definitely contenders for being the Mouse of the Year, The Viper V3 Pro being a slim high hump option, with amazing coating, perfect for those that use Claw and Fingertip grip. But if you want something wider in both sides and hump, then the Maya X might be the mouse you're looking for, perfect for those using Claw grip and those that want to use Palm Grip but doesn't want to go for an ergonomic shape. Both mice are great, and are arguably my picks for my endgame mouse, though I still doubt that I'll end this hobby anytime soon, but at least for now, both mice are able to satisfy my wants and needs for a mouse. *Feel free to ask anymore questions about the Viper V3 Pro or the Maya X, or maybe even my other mice, or my mousepad in the comments, I'd be more than happy to answer :)*

I really think that the Viper V3 Pro is arguably the Best mouse at the market right now with it's only flaw being the price, but specs and shape wise, it checks all the boxes for me.

I have used the logitech g303 for a couple of years and recently tried the GPX2 and Viper v3 pro, but i didnt really like the mouse buttons or the mouse skates on the gpx neither the long narrow shape with the viper so i got the Lamzu Maya X. The maya x is so good, the best and lightest mouse i have ever used. Premium quality with extra mouse skates included in a nice packaging. So happy with it!

non pro viper wireless, razer deathadder, i'd argue g305 lightspeed, xtrfy m42, wired zowie, superlight 1, glorious wired, some lgg mice, some vaxee mice, endgame gear op1k. All these are like 25-80€ if my quick currency version is right. Some of these are wireless too. Especially if you snipe a sale you can get a really good deal. in "top tier mice" I mean the ones that are basically the same shape as the "standards", superlight 2, viper v3 pro, deathadder v3 pro, etc. Obviously the tech is a bit worse, but we were hitting insane shots on mice 15+ years ago, even the worse mice are 100% good enough. 4k/8k polling doesnt change that much, and thats the major sell of the more expensive mice. I've managed to pick up qck+ for like 10€ on average the last few years, always on sale somewhere. Otherwise a sale on a lgg saturn (standard), zowie gsr (any version you prefer). Qck might not be the longest lasting, but it's usually on a good sale so you never really have to fork out more than AT MOST 40€ a year on it if you're really picky with pad and swap it 4x a year, but most ppl usually keep it for 6-24 months atleast.

as much as I used to simp for GPX I have to admit Razer nailed it with the Viper V3 Pro... also having DAv3 Pro and DAv3 HS compared to Logitech's 7 years old outdated G703 isn't even a contest.

Razer nailed Viper V3 Pro hard... at 140 EUR its the most I have ever paid for a mouse and honestly I don't regret it. GPX2 feels kinda meh even at 115 EUR.

I found it on Amazon DE like 3 months ago but I also saw it recently for 135 EUR. The deal is now other but Black Friday is few weeks away :) Viper V3 Pro comes only with the 8K dongle and its locked on that specific mouse.

Superlight regular not v2. Even tho I use v2 it's not worth the price. Have viper v3 pro as well but still prefer superlight personally

Hitscan, OP1 8K if cable isn't problem for you. V3 pro viper if you like your v3 hyperspeed

No budget? Just Pick Viper V3 Pro. Then experiment with the feet and mousepad. If you find your setup is consistent enough, stick with it

In cs2 too, you see the players desks at all big tournaments and almost everyone is using g pro x superlight. Its not even a sponsor thing, like with zowie monitors. Its just the best mouse for almost all hands. That being said, I found it a bit small for me! Top 3 mice imo are g pro x, deathadder v3 pro, viper v3 pro Next choices would be the ones all the aimlab bros are hyping

But is not even close to being the best mouse especially for it’s price. Even the scyrox v6 is better than the super light imo for a lot less. MayaX and viper v3 pro are goated mice last year and for 2025 i think pulsar crazylight and endgame xm2w are the way to go.

Viper v3 pro is better than superlight 2

Invisible woman diamond 2 Viper v3 pro, artisan raiden soft, 1600 dpi

To answer your question and since you probably are comfortable with only big brands, it’s probably the viper v3 pro. But if you want to hear my mouse rant go ahead. It’s not usually a preference thing. It is a preference thing. Hand size, grip style, and mouse shape all matter and are individualized More money doesn’t equal better. Mouse tech has reached a breaking point where there are no new innovations yet. 8000 hertz is barely noticeable. sub 40-50g mice are a dime a dozen and most people don’t want to get smaller. Sensors and switches have been optimized over time. All the big brands have so many clones of them with the exact same technology for half or quarter the price. r/mousereview has a bunch of nerds so you can narrow down a mouse with your exact specifications without overspending for no reason. Eloshapes is good for checking out mouse shapes

... I think that's his razer viper v3 pro custom camo coloring sent from razer, you can go to his twitch and type !mouse also look at his mouse cam during recent streams

LGG Saturn Pro Razer Viper V3 Pro Stock skates Corsair K70 pro Logitech G733 light speed LG 24GN650-b Main game CS2

This really is a VV3 pro 1:1 physical copy but with minor changes in side button and scroll wheel. I have used 2pcs of VV3 pro but I sold them out due to quality issue (scroll wheel wobbles). I really liked the shape of vv3 pro. switched back to my old fantech aria XD7 mouse but I have this issue where the side buttons are placed as well bit of forward. I cannot reach the forward button without causing my hand to move its placement a little away on the mouse, or I tend to tilt to the left so I can reach the forward button. definitely this is going to be an issue for me on ATK X1. But I bought it already and just waiting game now, I am from PH. How is your scroll button? I know someone with after a day of usage, the scroll wheel click tends to stick like when he clicks on it, it stays on the click position

Taking everything into account, including price, you're best off finding a GPX 1 on sale for like $80, seen it many times for around that price range since GPX 2 came out. That said, Viper v3 pro is a better mouse.

thanks for sharing! hard pass for me then, It's great but pretty pointless, if I constantly, need to charge it

currently using a viper pro v3, which can last for 5-7 days depending on usage

Get an all black one, black viper v3, hitscan hyperlight, etc

Of course you can use a gaming mouse for work. I never use productivity mice. Op1 and gpx are super comfy for me, work wise. Viper v3 will be good too.

Razer Viper V3 at 8k, Samsung Odyssey G7 2k monitor, Glsswrks Hana pad, and Titan Evo chair so even when I get clapped I can at least lean back when I cry.

personal best? sym = viper v3/sora V2 | ergo = thorn/deathadder v3 budget? ergo = delux m900 pro, zaopin z2 | sym = attack shark, VGN r1, VGN dragonfly which one have i been using the most as of late? sora v2 on a glass pad with donut skates. But for the most part, all comes down to which grip. if you have any more questions, i can try to answer some for you, ive tried way too many :3

Yeah almost all valorant pros use wireless mice, as well as almost every other video game professional on MnK. If you can afford it, the Viper v3 is one of the best mice rn in many people’s opinions. I think if you prefer a wide mouse than you could maybe be into the deathadder v3 pro.

That's the reason I bought a G502 X even though I got a Viper v3. While you don't need extra buttons on tactical fps like CS, it's literally the exception since most other genres of game do benefit from extra mouses buttons. Even arena shooters do. I'm not asking for Naga clones with 12 side buttons, but I wish we had more high-end options of mouses with 3-4 side buttons instead of 2. It's honestly the perfect middle ground, and contrary to what people think, 2 more side buttons wouldn't make the mouse much heavier.

My 8k viper v3 is indistinguishable from 1k lol

If you're willing to go outside of your comfort zone with a different brand I'd try the OP1 8k from endgame gear, even though it's wired it's seriously an amazing mouse. But if you're trying to stick with those brands then for Logitech I'd go with a superlight, even the first generation still holds up well today. And for Razer I love the Deathadder v3 as I grew up with that shape, but if you want a symmetrical mouse then a Viper V3

I have all or most of the mice mentioned in your post, and similarly have had issues finding a mouse that had a right side that felt normal. The XM2w caused my hand to cramp (even tho I played awesome with it lol) The E1 is the best overall mouse I've ever used imho. The shape is second to none in my opinion. I have the ec2-dw, the pulsar super light size 1 & 2ES) and many other ergos that aren't nearly as comfy. The cons to the E1 are - the buttons have a specific bounce/spring to them, so there is a tiny bit of rattle if you slam your mouse often - the scroll wheel is fine - the side buttons have a bit of a corner to them, (I just sand it down) I'm currently switching between the E1, the Viper V3, the Zowie S2-dw Oh, and the Sora is an awesome mouse with a great shape. It's god a cool internal structure that was fun to mod and get the weight super low. I missed having the curved finger grooves (so I added my own) but overall it's an awesome mouse that I mained for months before I got into ergos. The pulsar super light is awesome, but had specific curves (along the right side and front) where I never felt 100% comfy. I have the v3ES and the v3 size 1, and both were a bit off for me. And I also didn't love the raesha optical switches.... Best scroll wheels tho! The XM2w is certainly the best built mouse of these three. If there was a version that didn't have such an aggressive inward curve along the right side I would likely be maining this mouse. That and I wish it had finger grooves... It's so solid tho... My personal rankings: 1. E1 2. Sora 3. Xlite (does the v4 still use Raesha optical switches??) 4. XM2w (but if you like the shape, its potentially #1)

I love my viper v3 too, but has anyone else had issues with their scroll wheel after some time?

I've been maining the cloud & viper v3 for a bit now. The real hidden gem for me? Santali S1O. Perfect blend of a nicely contoured sides with ring finger ledge (like the cloud) plus narrow hourglass grip width (like viper v3)

While this doesn't apply to everybody, in general lighter is better. While they are sort of overpriced for what they are, the top 2 (in my opinion) are the Logitech superlight and Razer viper v3. They're both very light, wireless, have a good sensor and more. The viper is slightly lighter than the superlight, but you can't go wrong with either of them tbh. But that's just touching the surface tho, there are so many other factors like what weight you personally like, your grip, hand size and much more.

I like the idea, but I think the execution could have been better. Of course I understand that everything is oversimplified for the sake of it being a chart with limited space, however I think the approach is also a bit off. I will say that you don't really distinguish between hand sizes (which is very important as this changes viable grips drastically), grips are way more dynamic than just the main 3, there was absolutely no mention of weight whatsoever, prices vary more than just over/under $70 (very big difference to buy a $70, $100-$120 and $170 mouse), ergo being only for palm grip (they're not obviously), no mention of other features or specifics of good/bad features beyond QC (which even then some of the mice you mentioned that are meant to be good have been said to have worse QC than some of those you flagged as bad QC), I would also say that some of the statements and placements are just straight up wrong but of course people have opinions and you can go in circles for hours so there's no point lol As such, if you're to do something like this, it's probably better to inform people as to specific aspects of what mice might be good for them for what reason. As in why specific claw grip mice like the XM2/Atlantis shape is good for claw cause of the raised hump and flare out causing the hump to fill your hand in a certain way, or that good fingertip mice typically have a flatter profile, mainly on the sides, which is often seen as nicer for fingertip grips. And I mentioned how important the hand size is as for example, a user with larger hands will struggle to enjoy an OP1 or BeastX (non-max) with a claw grip, but would be able to fingertip either mice, and same can be said for some of the mice for if you have smaller hands. A lot of the "top" suggestions are also very focused on the current cycle of mice, there's plenty of mice that came out in the last couple years that would be way better than some of the new mice but are in the "alternate" slot (NP01S being alternate and Helios II being top for claw over $70 for example). This is why it'd probably be better to do a guidelines list and a database separately, so instead of taking this single infographic as gospel, users will be informed of what works for what via the infographic, and then go to a database with characteristics and perhaps different recommendations for handsizes per grip, and even more info like main/side clicks, scroll wheel, skates, weight etc. Don't take this as like, hard criticism or something, it's all in good fun at the end of the day. Mice are really contextual and nuanced, so it would be a real letdown if new mouse users only come out with "this mouse good, this mouse bad", rather than information as to why what is good or bad for what etc. Sidenote: I understand and used to agree with the idea that the GPX is decent for everyone but not the best for anyone, but would definitely disagree with that now, in that it is very safe and good for many people, but it is also many top level player's top mouse after they've tried many (MattyOW just to name one in case you thought I only meant like CS pros or something). The safe shapes are good at getting people in the door, and then informing them of certain aspects will allow them to decide what could be better, hence I wouldn't not recommend GPX or Viper V3 just cause they're "safe", they're super recommended for that exact reason, that they will virtually always work well enough

If you want to try a different shape then you can try some other mice, but in terms of specs/performance you won't really find anything better than viper 3

Same is happening with mine now. Done with Razer

Viper v3 or superlight 2 have been the best I've used, I'm not much of a razor fan but I do prefer the viper v3 here, i just prefer the way it glides on the pad, makes it feel super responsive, for gaming obviously.

I mean, I have Razer wireless v3 viper and it’s so good that I’m having to relearn league bc the reaction time of my mouse is so much better 😅

I use logitech superlight pro or Razor viper v3 for r6 siege but both expensive af

Got a 21x11 and i’m playing good with the Viper V3, Xlite v3, Zowie EC1-CW, Vaxee NP-01

Would you be able to use the dongle to connect to the viper v3 also? I no longer have the dongle and you guys don't have any spares, wouldn't mind getting this if the dongle works for both

We have 2 viper V3s we carry to and use at work. They're light, glide smoothly without being too smooth, don't look like gamer rainbow puke, not wierdly sized or shaped, and batteries last a while.

The viper v3 has been out for only a year and it’s a little early in the product cycle for a v4. That shape looks flatter and true to the viper ultimate/v2 pro shape.

Razer Viper Pro is surprisingly professional looking with being gaudy.

Hi I just switched to mouse and keyboard/gmk keyboard joystick. I have a final mouse legend and a razor viper pro whooting 60he. I have a buddy who uses a mouse (cheap) that has 7 side buttons and he is a beast. I’m looking for a similar mouse that’s wireless that has a good amount of side buttons. Cost really is t an issue I just want a really good mouse. Any suggestions from you fine people I would be appreciative.

I’ll look into it but i already have a viper and a fm last legend and like the fm better than the viper. Both are good mice but i like having options. Hell I may even eventually get rid of the gmk

Ignore anyone advocating any specific mouse as best as they are clueless. Mice are very specific to each person depending on their hand size, grip style etc. I suggest trying some when you can and seeing what you like, this site is good for looking at shapes. Personally I prefer a fat mouse booty because of my grip, Pulsar x2h and zaopin z1 are really good, Lamzu Thorn is a good ergo mouse, Atlantis is a good claw mouse. I also have several other that gather dust; for longer hands Asus harpe or Razer viper v2/3 are really good, but for me they are too big. I have several mice close to $200 and are no different than Lamzu for $90, possibly worse, so price point doesn’t mean anything. Zaopin z1 pro was $50 and is one of my fav fps mice These are some of the mice I have, I bought one of each shape I liked to see which are best for me, then settled on Pulsar x2h (use both, depending behind which screen I sit) https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=Zaopin-Z1-Pro-vs.-Pulsar-X2H-vs.-Pulsar-X2H-Mini-vs.-Logitech-G-Pro-X-Superlight-vs.-ASUS-ROG-Harpe-Ace-vs.-LAMZU-Thorn-4K-vs.-LAMZU-Atlantis-Mini-Pro-vs.-Ironcat-HPC01M-Pro-vs.-Razer-Viper-V2-Pro

Currently own both. Based on experience, V3 Pro is better for fps games but the ‘playing safe’ ergonomics of the Superlight makes it a good all-rounder for me (gaming & work tasks)

I got mine used for 60$. Great mouse, the most comfortable one I owned. I play a lot of CS2 and League of Legends and I don't see much difference in League, but in CS it improved my skill a lot. I came from Aerox 3 Wireless which was much smaller and symmetrical.

Yes, it's V3 Pro. The battery is great on 1K. I don't remember the frequency of charges, but it should be between 5-7 days and at least 10 hours a day. Charging is fast and it takes about a hour.

Good mouse. Good shape. A little less safe than the gpx shape but still safe shape. Make sure your copy doesn't have the sensor issue where if you lift it up and set it down it won't track at all for like a half second. Once you notice it, it will annoy the hell out of you. There is a firmware update that razer released that fixes it, although some people insist it persists. Fixed it for me tho. Update to latest firmware from their website I also noticed on occasion that my copy will lag a little during a large swipe, like it will pause mid swipe for a split second. It's rare and only happens once or twice in a whole gaming session. Really sucks razer kinda dropped the ball on the sensor issues with the v3 pro considering all their other recent mice have been top notch and flawless. The v3 pro is an insanely good mouse otherwise

You should choose based on shape, since current mice share very similar specs, as 3395 and 3950 is no longer Razer exclusive, the market is flooded with lots of new mice that have the two sensors. You can look at chinese brands like ATK/VXE/VGN(these three are essentially the same company), mchose as they are usually clones with popular mice (logitech and razer shapes). I've tried the V3 pro that every ytber is praising, i have to say the shapes is very nice, and the coating is phenomenally good. But like all other Razer mice, their clicks aren't my favorite. So I gave ATK a try since they made a clone called the X1, and I got their X1 pro max. I gotta admit, it was like the best choice i've made, its currently my main, making my other mice seems like a waste of money.

Well it’s just everyone hands are different, if you have smaller hands or I think like ENDGAME mouses and really good, maybe for regular sized hands or for the avg consumer maybe a super light or a razer V3 pro or hell maybe even a WL beast X mouse, if you have bigger hands definitely go for the G502 X it’s a really good mouse for tarkov with all the buttons and not being a MOBA mouse. Those are just my suggestions, also zowie has some good ones but I think they are a bit behind 

I really like my Razer Viper wireless mouse :) Very accurate, good grip, week long rechargeable battery life, fairly affordable, and light. The scroll wheel is tight too :)

how is wireless a waste of resources and totally unneeded on a desktop? razer viper wireless comes with a wire, logitech wireless comes with a wire, though expensive they offer top of the line wireless connections which feels like and functions like a wired mouse. you can also just plug the wire in and use it wired. i think the newest mice that have hot swappable switches+wireless with wire are the best options. depending on brand i can only find 2 available for my regions but both have generic logitech G pro shape.

I used to have the 12 buttons Razer Naga, but then modified keybinds to have 3 rows 1-9, control1-control9 and shift1-shift9. So I just need the 2 modifiers on the mouse (using wireless Razer Viper now).

Razer viper/viper mini, safe shape, works well. Simple.

I'm still probably going to go with the razer viper. I bought the ultimate back in like 2016-2018 and so far it's the longeat I've ever been able to keep a mouse both because my hands sweat when I get nervous and I flick hard so if there's a wire it'll be yanked out. I like the feel and fit of it, absolutely hate the company and the shit software you have to download just to get the mouse going and then get to uninstall. The only reason I'm looking to replace it is because the stand it comes with to charge or the metal pieces where the prongs on the stand sit are going bad and it won't charge without fiddling with it, and the rubber sides on both sides are just torn/worn down to the plastic lol, it still works amazingly and I still love the feel and size.

Yeah, you're not wrong enshitification affects everything. I'm still undecided on what or when to buy the next one i just know it's coming up and I enjoy the viper

Currently using a logitech g502 and a razer viper on laptop and desktop respectively. Both are great mice. I think the razer naga hex (v1) was my favourite mouse historically though i got it around the start of GW2 and it was just very well suited to that game. I had the naga hex v2 after that and it was also great. (preferred the v1 slightly)

Basilisk v3, i play a lot of siege and it is my favorite mouse. Depends if he has big hands or not, basilisk is fantastic if you have big hands, small hands seam to prefer the viper, I had one and found it very uncomfortable. Appears to be 69.99 on razers website but it should be available elsewhere.

Razer Viper

MX518. I wish they had wireless. Deathadder V3 Pro (I do also have the Hyperspeed too but I keep gravitating to the V3 Pro) I tried the Basilisk V3 (didn't like it), tried the Orochi V2 (too small and hurts hands), tried the Viper (preferred Deathadder V3 Pro better), tried the GPro (prefer Deathadder v3 pro much better) For eronomic office mouse I actually oddly enough loved the microsoft sculpt mouse. It's like a big ball. But it's discontinued now. I also like the MX Master 3 but it can feel clunky at times - but I rotate between that and the DAV3 Pro.

Imo Razer is not that good. I had everything from razer. headphones, mouse, mousepad, keeb etc. and I can say that the overall build quality is bad, but razer makes good switches. Switches in razer huntsman mini are really good. Edit: Headphones - Razer kraken first gen and Razer kraken X USB - broken after 5 months (Same happened to all my friends) Mouse - Razer basilisk X and Razer Viper - Viper fast teardown and rattling problem, basilisk - Sometimes it was losing connection (the receiver was 1m away from the mouse) Keyboard - Actually good I still have it

I'm hoping someone can share with me the hidden insight of "Shape is best for you" 1. Shape matters 2. I don't see people walking around with 3,4 or 5 or 6 fingers. Hands seem to follow a pattern of how the bones are structured. This is to say that an ideal mouse shape does/can exist. 3. It's proven that the GPX is leagues ahead of other gaming mice. Apex tournaments, CSGO's best player in the world S1mple (at least when I researched mice), the aim labs tournaments. All won by GPX users. I can certify that in my own experience, I get the effect of "wow amazing" from razers narrow grip widths like the viper or the curvy mice - you can move faster. but the issue is you can't move *faster, anywhere*. The GPX keeps *all* of my hands tendons relaxed so I can whip the mouse in far more directions with far more precision.

I thought the same thing when I first swapped over but over time you'll get used to it. Went from 502hero to a razer vyper and I like it so much more. Also the joy stick might become a problem to with hitting krybonds. That being said a 502 or any clone has a ton of binds.

Lemonkey g1 (keychron). Web ui, macroses, 8khz polling. Or last razer viper, but software.. I switched back to razer from ulx and I'm happy.

No joke, these scroll wheels are notorious for having issues that can be fixed by putting your mouth over the area to make a seal and blowing hard. don't know why. See: https://www.reddit.com/r/razer/s/ujHk5HvoaK Personally I use a Viper for 4 years of compulsive fps and dota and my scroll wheel is great. My brother has one purchased at the same time that had a wheel issue. Just unlucky

Viper is nice. I liked the form of the deathadder myself. It's still superlight and responsive. Just felt a little nicer to my hand.

I got the razer V3 as my regular (larger mouse), a pulsar xlite V3 mini for my ergo needs and lamzu Maya X will be my 3rd and last for a while