Kone Pure Military (ROC-11-712, ROC-11-713, etc.)

I once had Roccat Kone pure military. One of the most uncomfortable shape of all times!

The original Kone Pure from early 2010s were so good. Rock solid build quality and they lasted forever. I used one for like 5 years. It's over 10 years old now and it still works. The modern Roccat Kone XP, while still noticeably better than Razer and about the same as Logitech, has definitely worse build quality than the older mice. But it's still a great mouse for productivity.

Roccat Burst Pro, It's a great mouse, it's light, comfortable, precise and have very responsive clicks, but one of the best feature it's something that poe doesn't care: the scroll wheel, so far is the best I have ever tried and scrolling reddit and navigating the web feel really great. I discovered Roccat around 10 years ago, had a Kone Pure for 6 years until it started to double click once in a while, I also liked that mouse. Before going for Roccat I bought and refunded 3-4 logitech mouse because they all were rattling like crazy, both the sensor and the scroll wheel.

After the death of my Logitech G2, I stopped Logitech which became low-end after the death of 2 high-end keyboards from their brand... I have a Roccat Kone Pure Optique with which I am very satisfied.

I have 20x9 and same issue... * **fenrir asym** * good but uncomfy at times as a bit too narrow - in aim trainers i grab it only at the back what doesnt work to me in most shooters when I need to move a lot * my fix to stabalize my aim is to put the finger around the front side of the left mouse click and exactly to opposit to the aim trainer grip - when clicking from the front and not from above my aim doesnt get so shaky and it is easer to flick and to track - it locks the wrist a bit and you cant use like the whole finger range for horizontal movements but it gives much more stability and makes the mouse work great! I put the finger on the little spike on the right side of the left click or like from the front so that the finger touches the trigger from the front and not from above / like a claw * **m4** * too small, not responsive * **mz1** * too long/ clunky/ heavy for finger tip * **vancer arbiter akitsu** * super great mouse in all aspects but too large for pure finger tip * **m720** * too wide or more like the right side for the pinky is angled and ring/pinky slips up - not a safe grip * **roccat kone pure** * great build quality even a bit too big but it has a cable - clicks, glides etc. just great next on my list * **x2f** \- seems the best pure finger tip solution for longer hands * **hts ultra** \- small and a relative high hump but I can image it gives great stability when using as fingertip as you can rest your finger like on the hump * **htx mini** \- worth a try, bit shorter than the hts ultra * **op1 v2 wireless** \- very responsive - just watch the end or better the whole video - very good mouse review: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMiISWEnGYY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMiISWEnGYY) * **my thought on all pulsar "minis"** \- they dont seem that mini as they are all pretty long when checking on eloshapes

mountain makalu 67 maybe? I found one on clearance and gonna give it a go, I have similar sized hands, but I’m ok with smaller mice and have been using an op1 which is really narrow. I can also second the razor naga as one of the more comfortable palm mice I’ve used, I just dislike the mmo button cluster and it’s chonking heavy as. Otherwise the roccat cone pure shape I liked, there is a modern clone called the Saturn pro and also the deathadder variants and Microsoft intellimouse pro.. unfortunately a lot of bigger options are on the heavy side. Edit: Looks like the Zowie EC1 series are very similar in shape to the m$ mouse, and would surely be lighter and more modern sensor.

I use Roccat Pure but the company got purchased by TurtleBeach. If you want to compete and enjoy competitive demanding gaming for the years to come. Get yourself a mouse which shape your hand correctly on the desk. You will destroy your wrist if not. Price is meaningless. Comfort, good hand position and weight is what matter. Ditch the big brands their products are craps and especially Logitech which reinvent mouse size, shape every 4 months... It seems they have no clue how to make decent ergonomic and just spam products to be everywhere. Lastly, the most recommended is not always the best. It's simply the most popular. Try to analyse what your wrist position is with your current mouse, then how long and large is the mouse, find what's a good hand position for a mouse and shop for a shape which gonna give you this I forgot to add that I played league for 15 years and before that StarCraft, Dota, Wow. My wrist been doing overtime for a decade and the only reason I do not have lifelong issues with it is knowing how to get a decent mouse.