Kone Pure Owl-Eye

Not sure about the AJ179, but I get decent cps (30-40+) when drag clicking on a Rapoo VT9Pro that I bought for $20. Its performance and specs are fine (PAW3395, nRF52833), and I don't might the somewhat higher weight of 68 g. I haven't been in the Minecraft PvP scene for quite a while, and I mainly used a Kone Pure Owl-Eye back then for bridging and reducing, but [here's a quick god bridge](https://i.imgur.com/OVJq7su.mp4) I just did with my VT9Pro to show what it's capable of.

20.5/21cm x 9.5/10cm hands here + Logitech G Pro Wireless. After reading this subreddit for a week, it feels like everyone here has 10cm wide hands xD But when I looked at the pictures, something felt off about all the “20x10cm” hand mice recommendations. Do people measure their hands including the thumb, diagonally, or what? Because this G Pro Wireless looks tiny in my hands and my cortisol spiked cause i got hand mogged. For context: I used to play Overwatch professionally for 6+ years (made a living from it, played in the Overwatch World Cup, Top 50 since Season 1). Before that, I got 2nd place in the world in Quake 2 4v4 back in the early 2000s. In the late 90s / early 2000s, I used the first Logitech Premium Optical Mouse, then the G3, then the RX250 (basically all the same shape): 115x62x35mm egg shape. No idea why EloShapes lists the G3 at 38mm height. I hit my peak (Top 30 in Overwatch around 2016/17) using the RX250. Then I switched to the Logitech G203 Prodigy, and my aim felt a bit off — not terrible, just slightly worse. I brushed it off as getting older. Then the cable broke, so I replaced it with a G Pro Wired. That started double-clicking, so I replaced it with a G Pro Wireless. After that, my aim got so bad that I basically stopped playing competitive games altogether. I thought it was just old age — I’m 37 now — but I simply can’t fingertip grip the G Pro. My hand tremors and twitches like crazy with it. Recently, I found my old Logitech mouse from the 2000s, replaced the cable, and launched some aim benchmarks… and suddenly my tracking was back to where it was when I was 20. So now I’m looking for a new mouse. Considering: * Pulsar X2 / X2H * Endgame XM2w (QC issues ??) * Aria II maybe? G305 is definitely not for me. Budget doesn’t matter. Requirements: * Wireless * \~60g or heavier (I hate superlight mice) * Fingertip grip

Thanks for answer. 1. Does that S1-O have much hourglass shape like the g pro does ? I hate that im 100% sure its what causes my bad aim. 2. Are you 20x10 w/o thumb or with thumb im 9.5cm just between knuckles w/o the thumb :P Either im measuring my hand wrong man... when i compare our photos like i can't like some1 commented i have gorilla hands xD When i measure with thumb in widest point im like 11.5-12cm Ok i can have: Pulsar x2 crazylight medium for 85$, (all models \~85$ discounted) Aria II pro, (egg shape) 100$ Atk zero 60$ or atk vxe mad r - 55$ (chinese X2 clones) Attack shark G3 pro (smaller aria II pro egg shape) 35$ Endgame Xm2W (v2) 175$ (v1) \~120$ Zaopin Z1 Pro (smaller attack shark G3) 70$ ATTACK SHARK X8 ULTIMATE \~120$ Idk what do pick i think il buy 3-4 and try them but still dont know what to pick. I dont rly want to buy things that are not on amazon or online in europe/poland like aria cause i need invoice taxes will make this mouse 50% cheaper for me xD.

g pro wireless is hourglass shaped with curved sides almost all of the above are either flat on the sides or have higher width in the middle where i grip the mouse. The width of g pro wireless in the middle where u grip i is around 57-58mm that is not alot for. The butt is 64mm but the grip width is small.

Ye i noticed ppl here measure with their thumb diagonally... going by that im 21/11.5 so yeah. I just spent alot on mice on amazon and other sites. Maybe i add the xlite to the cart cause i only have small ones atm. mchose g3 ultra, attack g3pro, mschose L7 ultra, keychron G1 and G3, pulsar X2h es medium. pulsar x2 v3 mini. Skipped endgame op1 and xm2 cause price is crazy atm 160$+ for xm2w v2. need maybe one big one to test for fun xD

Ok i can have: Pulsar x2 crazylight medium for 85$, (all models \~85$ discounted) Aria II pro, (egg shape) 100$ Atk zero 60$ or atk vxe mad r - 55$ (chinese X2 clones) Attack shark G3 pro (smaller aria II pro egg shape) 35$ Endgame Xm2W (v2) 175$ (v1) \~120$ Zaopin Z1 Pro (smaller attack shark G3) 70$ ATTACK SHARK X8 ULTIMATE \~120$ Idk what do pick i think il buy 3-4 and try them but still dont know what to pick. I dont rly want to buy things that aint on amazon or online in europe like aria cause i need invoice.

G pro wired / g203 was ok but it did not feel as good as old logitech mx300 rx250 g3 smt felt slightly off like the sides had different angle not flat. I tried G305 for few min in shop the sides are at an angle and the original mouses had them straight no angle. Idk if i would like it in the long run would need to try but idk. G pro wireless makes my hand shake like crazy when precision aiming i thought its cause of aging and just ignored it and the old mouses do not make me shake like parkinson. I guess its not wide enough in the middle where i grip it.

I cleaned the mouse inside and did not put the bottom one on. over the sensor one does not bump the mouse. I thought my shaky aim was cause of age and just ignored it but after swapping from this g pro wireless to old mouse the shakiness is gone. I reached top500 in overwatch with, 500hz logitech bt58 from the garbage bin and 75hz 16:10 monitor. Im not saying g pro wireless made me bronze. Im saying it made me perform worse still reach top500/very high GM just not top 50-100 range like the old mice did.

Saw u can buy bottom dust stickers for 3$ on amazon for the crazy light. I was wondering about the weight. Almost 2x less than my g pro wireless... Im just gonna flip the coin still undecided on x2h vs x2 also xD

I just spent alot on mice on amazon and other sites. i finger trip grip w/o touching the mouse at all. but g pro wireless forces me to touch a little bit with a bit of my palm near the pinky also i hold the mouse crooked. Bought: mchose g3 ultra, attack g3pro, mschose L7 ultra, keychron G1 and G3, pulsar X2h es medium. pulsar x2 v3 mini. Skipped endgame op1 and xm2 cause price is crazy atm 160$+ for xm2w v2. need maybe one big one to test for fun looking at pulsar xlite v4 for 50$. Checked out that scyrox v8 it seem same as x2 mini es w/o the hump. Got the L7 ultra without the + Thanks for your reply basicaly u picked all the mice i bought before reading ur post would save me half day if i red ur post earlier xD

Did you try Aria II by any chance this is the only mouse i did not order cause only from china with long wait time. I just ordered bunch of mice including mchose L7 ultra u mentioned (w/o the + smaller one). Got mchose G3 ultra, attack G3pro, pulsar x2h es medium, pulsar x2 es mini, mschose L7 ultra, keychron G1 and G3. Skipped endgame op1 and xm2 cause price is crazy atm 160$+ One of the pink G3 will stay for my wife xD I think mschose L7 ultra or keychron G1 will be the shape... Wana try aria II but cba spending 120$ for china mice i wont be able to return . I had all the G3 shaped ones starting from the logitech premium optical, bt58, mx300, G3 last one was i think rx250. The g203 prodigy and g pro wired feel, a bit off but they were closes to that shape. G305 is way off the sides have too big angle, The rx250 sides are also angled (the base has less width than the middle) but not by a a lot, also the the sides where u grip it have little "groves" they are not flat or rounded up.

No except for this mice i only used roccat kone pure and razer viper but did not like the shape of the viper. Roccat kone was better than g pro tbh.

The original Kone Pure from early 2010s were so good. Rock solid build quality and they lasted forever. I used one for like 5 years. It's over 10 years old now and it still works. The modern Roccat Kone XP, while still noticeably better than Razer and about the same as Logitech, has definitely worse build quality than the older mice. But it's still a great mouse for productivity.

Roccat Burst Pro, It's a great mouse, it's light, comfortable, precise and have very responsive clicks, but one of the best feature it's something that poe doesn't care: the scroll wheel, so far is the best I have ever tried and scrolling reddit and navigating the web feel really great. I discovered Roccat around 10 years ago, had a Kone Pure for 6 years until it started to double click once in a while, I also liked that mouse. Before going for Roccat I bought and refunded 3-4 logitech mouse because they all were rattling like crazy, both the sensor and the scroll wheel.

After the death of my Logitech G2, I stopped Logitech which became low-end after the death of 2 high-end keyboards from their brand... I have a Roccat Kone Pure Optique with which I am very satisfied.

I have 20x9 and same issue... * **fenrir asym** * good but uncomfy at times as a bit too narrow - in aim trainers i grab it only at the back what doesnt work to me in most shooters when I need to move a lot * my fix to stabalize my aim is to put the finger around the front side of the left mouse click and exactly to opposit to the aim trainer grip - when clicking from the front and not from above my aim doesnt get so shaky and it is easer to flick and to track - it locks the wrist a bit and you cant use like the whole finger range for horizontal movements but it gives much more stability and makes the mouse work great! I put the finger on the little spike on the right side of the left click or like from the front so that the finger touches the trigger from the front and not from above / like a claw * **m4** * too small, not responsive * **mz1** * too long/ clunky/ heavy for finger tip * **vancer arbiter akitsu** * super great mouse in all aspects but too large for pure finger tip * **m720** * too wide or more like the right side for the pinky is angled and ring/pinky slips up - not a safe grip * **roccat kone pure** * great build quality even a bit too big but it has a cable - clicks, glides etc. just great next on my list * **x2f** \- seems the best pure finger tip solution for longer hands * **hts ultra** \- small and a relative high hump but I can image it gives great stability when using as fingertip as you can rest your finger like on the hump * **htx mini** \- worth a try, bit shorter than the hts ultra * **op1 v2 wireless** \- very responsive - just watch the end or better the whole video - very good mouse review: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMiISWEnGYY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMiISWEnGYY) * **my thought on all pulsar "minis"** \- they dont seem that mini as they are all pretty long when checking on eloshapes

mountain makalu 67 maybe? I found one on clearance and gonna give it a go, I have similar sized hands, but I’m ok with smaller mice and have been using an op1 which is really narrow. I can also second the razor naga as one of the more comfortable palm mice I’ve used, I just dislike the mmo button cluster and it’s chonking heavy as. Otherwise the roccat cone pure shape I liked, there is a modern clone called the Saturn pro and also the deathadder variants and Microsoft intellimouse pro.. unfortunately a lot of bigger options are on the heavy side. Edit: Looks like the Zowie EC1 series are very similar in shape to the m$ mouse, and would surely be lighter and more modern sensor.