ROCCAT (Turtle Beach) - Kone Pure Ultra

It's my favorite mouse, but give the Roccat Kone Pure Ultra a try.

My setup is basic, but since you said Endgame, my setup is the Anne Pro 2 with cherry MX browns and my mouse is the Roccat Kone Pure Ultra

First of all. Shape is king. Don't be worried about all the new optical tech and weight reduction. As someone who owns about 24 mice I've come to appreciate shape more than anything. There's no point in a weight class if your hand is gonna cramp in the first hour you're playing. At that point it doesn't matter what new tech is in the mouse or how feathery light it is. You're going to develop carpal tunnel down the line if you go at it like that. First, measure your hand and if you have the opportunity to test more in person like at an electronics store or if you have a friend that can let you borrow their mice with a different shape then your own go for it. I also highly encourage you watch different mouse reviews of different mice once you sort of come to that conclusion. The og Viper Ultimate is an excellent starting point to jump off of when exploring different mice. If I may, here are some things to consider/ look for when looking into other mice. - First of all, your Viper Ultimate is a bit of a flat mouse. The Viper Mini is wired but has a bit of a hump. This is highly subjective among gamers/ mouse enthusiasts because it affects how your palm is placed on the mouse itself. - Wired or not wired. Some prefer it wireless so there's no drag, but there are some mice that have very light braided cables or rubber cables. I personally use a Roccat Kone Pure Ultra that I switch off from my Ninjutso Sora. Please note that wired DOES add weight to the mouse, but depending on what kind of cable and if you use a mouse bungee or not will affect your gameplay. Having it wired never really bothered me. - Speaking of shape is king, there are mice that have different shapes and button layouts that you may find interesting. As I said before, The Roccat Kone Pure Ultra is one of my favorite mice in my collection. My first ever mouse was the older Roccat Owl Eye and I loved it for its shape. It has a bit of a curve that makes it more of a right hand mouse, but as a right handed person the curve actually suited my grip style. It also uses Titan mechanical switches that feel crisp to me. Is it faster than the switches in Razer's newer mice? Probably not, but I personally prefer the feel of the press over the latency test in game, which are marginal at best in my own personal testing. My other favorite mouse is the g502. Consider it's shape, multiple button options and the infinite scroll wheel where you can toggle a switch to have the scroll wheel spin instead of click in steps. It's heavier even without weights, but it's a comfortable mouse that also doubles as a nice productivity mouse for work. I would look into if having more buttons for your gaming/ productivity for work would be beneficial for your setup. - Don't worry about things like 8k polling rates or the newer switches that gets put into the newer mice. Unless you have an extremely beefy PC and a crazy monitor you won't really see those returns. Even if you had those in your setup, your performance still comes down to how comfortable you are to land your shots. Remember, even back then during the early days of Twitch and competitive online gaming that made certain streamers rich and famous, even they started off using wired mice. Ninja used a Logitech G502 and even used his own Finalmouse Ninja collab for years before going wireless. It just goes to show that practicing with the mouse that feels the most comfortable is what works. I hope this helps!

First of all. Shape is king. Don't be worried about all the new optical tech and weight reduction. As someone who owns about 24 mice I've come to appreciate shape more than anything. There's no point in a weight class if your hand is gonna cramp in the first hour you're playing. At that point it doesn't matter what new tech is in the mouse or how feathery light it is. You're going to develop carpal tunnel down the line if you go at it like that. First, measure your hand and if you have the opportunity to test more in person like at an electronics store or if you have a friend that can let you borrow their mice with a different shape then your own go for it. I also highly encourage you watch different mouse reviews of different mice once you sort of come to that conclusion. The og Viper Ultimate is an excellent starting point to jump off of when exploring different mice. If I may, here are some things to consider/ look for when looking into other mice. - First of all, your Viper Ultimate is a bit of a flat mouse. The Viper Mini is wired but has a bit of a hump. This is highly subjective among gamers/ mouse enthusiasts because it affects how your palm is placed on the mouse itself. - Wired or not wired. Some prefer it wireless so there's no drag, but there are some mice that have very light braided cables or rubber cables. I personally use a Roccat Kone Pure Ultra that I switch off from my Ninjutso Sora. Please note that wired DOES add weight to the mouse, but depending on what kind of cable and if you use a mouse bungee or not will affect your gameplay. Having it wired never really bothered me. - Speaking of shape is king, there are mice that have different shapes and button layouts that you may find interesting. As I said before, The Roccat Kone Pure Ultra is one of my favorite mice in my collection. My first ever mouse was the older Roccat Owl Eye and I loved it for its shape. It has a bit of a curve that makes it more of a right hand mouse, but as a right handed person the curve actually suited my grip style. It also uses Titan mechanical switches that feel crisp to me. Is it faster than the switches in Razer's newer mice? Probably not, but I personally prefer the feel of the press over the latency test in game, which are marginal at best in my own personal testing. My other favorite mouse is the g502. Consider it's shape, multiple button options and the infinite scroll wheel where you can toggle a switch to have the scroll wheel spin instead of click in steps. It's heavier even without weights, but it's a comfortable mouse that also doubles as a nice productivity mouse for work. I would look into if having more buttons for your gaming/ productivity for work would be beneficial for your setup. - Don't worry about things like 8k polling rates or the newer switches that gets put into the newer mice. Unless you have an extremely beefy PC and a crazy monitor you won't really see those returns. Even if you had those in your setup, your performance still comes down to how comfortable you are to land your shots. Remember, even back then during the early days of Twitch and competitive online gaming that made certain streamers rich and famous, even they started off using wired mice. Ninja used a Logitech G502 and even used his own Finalmouse Ninja collab for years before going wireless. It just goes to show that practicing with the mouse that feels the most comfortable is what works. I hope this helps!

Changes often. The past few months it was the Viper V2 Pro. Before that it was the Kone pure ultra

EC2 is the best shape I've used, E1 had the best clicks. I'll give honorable mentions to the Kone Pure Ultra and Origin One X.

The original Kone Pure from early 2010s were so good. Rock solid build quality and they lasted forever. I used one for like 5 years. It's over 10 years old now and it still works. The modern Roccat Kone XP, while still noticeably better than Razer and about the same as Logitech, has definitely worse build quality than the older mice. But it's still a great mouse for productivity.

I use Roccat Pure but the company got purchased by TurtleBeach. If you want to compete and enjoy competitive demanding gaming for the years to come. Get yourself a mouse which shape your hand correctly on the desk. You will destroy your wrist if not. Price is meaningless. Comfort, good hand position and weight is what matter. Ditch the big brands their products are craps and especially Logitech which reinvent mouse size, shape every 4 months... It seems they have no clue how to make decent ergonomic and just spam products to be everywhere. Lastly, the most recommended is not always the best. It's simply the most popular. Try to analyse what your wrist position is with your current mouse, then how long and large is the mouse, find what's a good hand position for a mouse and shop for a shape which gonna give you this I forgot to add that I played league for 15 years and before that StarCraft, Dota, Wow. My wrist been doing overtime for a decade and the only reason I do not have lifelong issues with it is knowing how to get a decent mouse.

Roccat Burst Pro, It's a great mouse, it's light, comfortable, precise and have very responsive clicks, but one of the best feature it's something that poe doesn't care: the scroll wheel, so far is the best I have ever tried and scrolling reddit and navigating the web feel really great. I discovered Roccat around 10 years ago, had a Kone Pure for 6 years until it started to double click once in a while, I also liked that mouse. Before going for Roccat I bought and refunded 3-4 logitech mouse because they all were rattling like crazy, both the sensor and the scroll wheel.

mountain makalu 67 maybe? I found one on clearance and gonna give it a go, I have similar sized hands, but I’m ok with smaller mice and have been using an op1 which is really narrow. I can also second the razor naga as one of the more comfortable palm mice I’ve used, I just dislike the mmo button cluster and it’s chonking heavy as. Otherwise the roccat cone pure shape I liked, there is a modern clone called the Saturn pro and also the deathadder variants and Microsoft intellimouse pro.. unfortunately a lot of bigger options are on the heavy side. Edit: Looks like the Zowie EC1 series are very similar in shape to the m$ mouse, and would surely be lighter and more modern sensor.

Honestly 2 come to mind Roccat Burst Pro and the Roccat Kone Pro ultra now known as (Turtle Beach Pure Sel)

+1. It's simply incredible, I love that mouse. Large, heavy, an absolute tank, and it's even wireless with a charging dock included. And the amount of buttons is perfect. Only downside though is that those side buttons feel unfathomable cheap for a 150$ mouse, and that's why I'm switching back and forth between that one and my Roccat Kone, those mechanical side buttons just feel so much better, even though the mouse is just flimsy in comparison.

I also had two Roccat Kones. First one lasted 1 year, second one lasted 1.5 years. Both ended up with double-click issues.