ROCCAT (Turtle Beach) - Kone XP Air

I present to you the Turtle Beach/Kone XP Air I recently decided I needed a better mouse, specifically for Deadlock, and set out to replace my Razer Basilisk v3 (a great mouse in its own right). I wanted more buttons on the side to map items because I really try to keep my fingers on WASD at all times. I ordered a handful of mice, looking for mice with additional side buttons that were NOT mmo mice. I landed on the Steel Series Aerox 5, Glorious Model I 2, and the TB/Kone XP Air. I looked at the Corsair Nightsword, ROG Spatha and ROG Chakram X, but decided not to pull the trigger on them for various reasons. The Aerox 5 was an instant no. It has this weird whammy bar on the side that you flick up and down (like the guitar hero controller) that looked neat in theory, but it was really stiff and hard to use in practice. The Glorious Model I 2 was amazing and I almost kept it. The buttons are easy to reach with your thumb and it has multiple swappable buttons if you want different shapes. The m1 click action was very crisp and its also very light. I loved it. But then I got the XP Air. This mouse has some drawbacks. The M1 click action stinks, it's gummy with long travel distance and it feels bad. It's heavy at 100 grams. But the buttons, oh my lord the buttons. The side array is so perfect for items/skills with the quad button layout and the thumb rest button is literally the game breaker and why I bought it. **I mapped the thumb rest button to parry and I am able to parry/counterspell literally everything.** If you are looking for a better experience with using your active items, I strongly strongly recommend the XP Air. Deadlock isn't a twitch shooter, so the gummy M1 isn't as big a deal as it would be in COD or Battlefield (and I used it during both battlefield weekends and the side buttons were amazing there too). If you can't get over the gummy M1, and you think it's too heavy, then the Model I 2 is a really amazing runner up. My next plan is to mod the XP Air with a lighter battery and to remove some of the plastic guts with a Dremel. I've seen guides online where you can get it down to about 70 grams. That's all, thanks for coming to my TED talk.

Yeah basically a 602 but they don't make them anymore. Also, it has the tiltclick left and right on the scroll wheel and the thumb rest button which is honestly goated. Do you like the x15? I looked at it briefly but it had horrible reviews

For anyone who wants more buttons, let me introduce you to the Kone/Turtle Beach XP Air. I did a lot of research trying to find the perfect mouse for games that require a shit ton of hotkeys (cough Deadlock) but I didn't want a MMO number pad. This mouse has 5 side buttons, 2 extra buttons on m1 click that are *raised* and easy to press compared to the G502, and left and right scroll wheel tilt. The only thing it doesn't have is infinity scroll. The clicks feel a little gummy and it's a tad on the heavy side, so not perfect, but goddamn that button on the thumb rest should be standard on every single ergo mouse. It's a literally game changer. https://preview.redd.it/2xl5d3k4d4hg1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c973402926d9dfca157df28e1108550e1fa1f7f9

Kone xp air, or razer naga... theres also the glorious model i 2. Do not, i repeat, do not get the cosair darkstar. Im currently using the xp air and ive changed the "easy-shift[+]" button to a normal bind. G502 vs kone xp air: https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=logitech-g502-x-plus-vs.-turtle-beach-kone-xp-air One caveat to the xp air is the ring finger grip. Its all personal preference but i sanded that shit down to a more normal ring finger grip.

The Roccat Nyth. Being able to customize your thumb button(s) layout and grip type truly made it a premium mouse in my eyes. The only reason I've retired it is I wanted to go wireless. So now I'm using the Turtle Beach Kone XP Air. Since TB purchased Roccat I really hope they revisit the Nyth design and update it to be a wireless mouse with charging dock like the XP Air. https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/roccat-nyth

Red dragon maybe? Their mmo mouse is actually amazing. I just stepped up to the kone xp air from there, but idk if that would be big enough. Maybe the g502 also.

My hands are a little bit larger than average, and have found the Turtle Beach (Formerly Roccat) Kone XP Air to be magnificent. Lightweight, super comfy, and a couple extra programmable buttons without going overload.

If you want maximum longevity, you should stay away from Logitech, Razer, Steelseries, HyperX, Corsair, and Redragon, since their softwares are required to run their mice, and when they stop updating the drivers for your model it will stop working the next windows update. Additionally these brands also thin out the shells in highly stressed components in order to ensure they break after approximately 2 years of use. All these brands get money through a resale-scheme, by making you have to constantly buy a new product from them. My recommendations are from brands that are still small and growing (so they're economically incentivised to make good, reliable products and ensure they have good software support, even if they drop software support for later models, since people will most commonly look at their original products to gauge reliability). These brands are still gaining customer loyalty and as such will happily help you with any problems you face and have already designed their products to last as long as possible. If you wanna try vertical mice: The Hansker performance vertical mouse is shipped from Germany (if memory serves me correctly)and so should be relatively easy to post to India. The Keychron M5 is also worth a try since they have multiple European stores and warehouses. The swiftpoint Ergo-point is American unfortunately so I don't think you could source one easily. For standard ergonomic mice: Kysona Uranus Pro copies the tried and true Roccat Kone shape, it's cheap, built like a tank, and is amazing for palm grip. Keychron M7 (not the M6, the M6 has a design flaw in the sensor that makes it behave unexpectedly). Dareu A980. Glorious Model i 2 (the model i 1 has issues don't get it). Roccat/Turtle Beach kone XP air (discontinued, but there is still old stock floating around). These mice should all be fairly easy to source and relatively cheap (and most importantly, they're all built to last and their software isn't required to run to keep the mouse working, so you don't have to worry about software obsolescence thankfully, most actually can use browser-based software, meaning you open up safari or chrome or edge, open up the website, and then the website talks directly to the mouse and tells it what settings to change, no need to even download a software).

Dareu a980. _ 3 buttons. Glorious model i (the wireless one is better QC wise). _ 4 buttons. Keychron M7 (M6 has very weird sensor behaviour for unknown reasons, so don't get it, wait for reviews on the M5 first if you want the M6). _ 3 buttons. Swiftpoint Tracer (or Creator or Z2). _ 8 buttons + analog main buttons (Z2 has motion controls). (Discontinued, but old stock is still here and there) Roccat/Turtle Beach kone XP air. _ 7 buttons + scroll tilt. (If you're prepared for fighting Steelseries software, saving the keybinds to the on-board memory, disabling Steelseries software entirely, and then controlling the RGB with OpenRGB) the Steelseries Aerox 9 is mostly ok, not the best ergonomics though and easily the worst performance and weight of all of these. _ 12 buttons + scroll tilt.

I have tried the mmo mice with 12 buttons on the side and really don't like them. After years going through wow Legendary mice I went rival 500 then it got discontinued. I have finally found a good replacement which is the turtle beach Kone XP air. It is a good mouse and I hope they make one with higher grade of plastic. If you get one, get the white one, better quality.

Kone XP AIR. It's not the same, but it's a worthy successor. The battery life is much better. The scroll wheel sucks.

Damn dude your hands are massive, maybe even bigger than mine. Ill give you the list of all of the mice I've tried. 1. Steel Series Aerox 5 - probably my favorite but it is expensive, I don't particularly like the software, It had an issue where it would disconnect randomly sometimes, and after a few years the scroll wheel stopped working. But the weight and button configuration are what are great about this one. It also has a comfortable shape for big hands. 2. Pulsar xlite v4 large - great mouse, great shape, i can almost palm it, I can if im feeling lazy, wide enough for a comfy finger tip grip that large hands pretty much have to use. I wish it had more side buttons but this is my current mouse that i replaced the Aerox with and I love it. I whole heartedly recommend giving this one a try. It has a simple software that just does what its supposed to and nothing else. The software also doesnt need to be running all the time. 3. Mionix Naos Pro - its almost perfect, its almost what i want it to be. if it were just a little taller i would be able to palm it. I think its a solid choice for xxl hands but its just not quite there, the pulsar is far lighter and has a better shape for fingertip grip. 4. Steel series rival - solid, heavy, you can actually add weights to make it heavier. back when i used this i didnt think i would like a light mouse. over all a good mouse with a good shape for large hands. 5. Logi G604 - great mouse, i dont think they make them anymore so they are hard to find/expensive. Scroll wheel is great. Probably about as close to an mx master as your gonna get. Has the weird shape where it gets skinnier where the ring and pinky finger rest so you end up dragging or sticking out your pinky. Lots of thumb buttons, did i mention i like that. 6. Roccat kone xp air - weird shape, almost looks like a left handed mouse but its not. i really like the button configuration but the shape just makes it uncomfortable for the ring and pinky finger, side buttons arent worth an uncomfortable grip 7. Logi G900 - meh one of the first "large" mice i aquired. Its too narrow to be comfortable for xxl hands. 8. Logi G502 - dont listen to anyone who recommends this mouse, its actually not really any smaller than any of the other mice here but the button placement is verry uncomfortable for xxl large hands. I think that about covers it other than I use an mxMaster 3 at work. I would still like for these all to be a little bigger but gaming mice don't get any bigger than this that i have found. TLDR I RECCOMEND THE PULSAR XLITE V4 LARGE Edit - I've held some of the razers at the store and i didn't particularly care for them.

I had this issue with both the old Scimitar and the Roccat Kone XP Air. I feal like it should be a basic thing for your mouse to still work as a mouse when all other bells and whistles of your driver break, but I guess that's too big an ask, lmao.