ROCCAT (Turtle Beach) - Kone XP Air

+1. It's simply incredible, I love that mouse. Large, heavy, an absolute tank, and it's even wireless with a charging dock included. And the amount of buttons is perfect. Only downside though is that those side buttons feel unfathomable cheap for a 150$ mouse, and that's why I'm switching back and forth between that one and my Roccat Kone, those mechanical side buttons just feel so much better, even though the mouse is just flimsy in comparison.

I present to you the Turtle Beach/Kone XP Air I recently decided I needed a better mouse, specifically for Deadlock, and set out to replace my Razer Basilisk v3 (a great mouse in its own right). I wanted more buttons on the side to map items because I really try to keep my fingers on WASD at all times. I ordered a handful of mice, looking for mice with additional side buttons that were NOT mmo mice. I landed on the Steel Series Aerox 5, Glorious Model I 2, and the TB/Kone XP Air. I looked at the Corsair Nightsword, ROG Spatha and ROG Chakram X, but decided not to pull the trigger on them for various reasons. The Aerox 5 was an instant no. It has this weird whammy bar on the side that you flick up and down (like the guitar hero controller) that looked neat in theory, but it was really stiff and hard to use in practice. The Glorious Model I 2 was amazing and I almost kept it. The buttons are easy to reach with your thumb and it has multiple swappable buttons if you want different shapes. The m1 click action was very crisp and its also very light. I loved it. But then I got the XP Air. This mouse has some drawbacks. The M1 click action stinks, it's gummy with long travel distance and it feels bad. It's heavy at 100 grams. But the buttons, oh my lord the buttons. The side array is so perfect for items/skills with the quad button layout and the thumb rest button is literally the game breaker and why I bought it. **I mapped the thumb rest button to parry and I am able to parry/counterspell literally everything.** If you are looking for a better experience with using your active items, I strongly strongly recommend the XP Air. Deadlock isn't a twitch shooter, so the gummy M1 isn't as big a deal as it would be in COD or Battlefield (and I used it during both battlefield weekends and the side buttons were amazing there too). If you can't get over the gummy M1, and you think it's too heavy, then the Model I 2 is a really amazing runner up. My next plan is to mod the XP Air with a lighter battery and to remove some of the plastic guts with a Dremel. I've seen guides online where you can get it down to about 70 grams. That's all, thanks for coming to my TED talk.

Yeah basically a 602 but they don't make them anymore. Also, it has the tiltclick left and right on the scroll wheel and the thumb rest button which is honestly goated. Do you like the x15? I looked at it briefly but it had horrible reviews

Lol I actually liked the flipper/ up-down rocker thing. I found it easy to use. And yep I tried a roccat xp too. In fact I still have it sitting in a box in a drawer lol. I didn't use it for long. I think I just preferred the shape, weight and coating of the aerox. I'm sure it was a good option for some but I've never really vibed with roccat mice in general unfortunately.

I also had two Roccat Kones. First one lasted 1 year, second one lasted 1.5 years. Both ended up with double-click issues.

I love my mouse and it's not in there! Stay strong, Roccat Kone

I used a roccat kone for my mouse and I think its perfect. Its one of the very few gaming mice ive ever found that has 4 regular sized thumb buttons (most either just have 2 or a whole number pad with tiny buttons). Its only like 70$ and works very well.

Red dragon maybe? Their mmo mouse is actually amazing. I just stepped up to the kone xp air from there, but idk if that would be big enough. Maybe the g502 also.

If you want maximum longevity, you should stay away from Logitech, Razer, Steelseries, HyperX, Corsair, and Redragon, since their softwares are required to run their mice, and when they stop updating the drivers for your model it will stop working the next windows update. Additionally these brands also thin out the shells in highly stressed components in order to ensure they break after approximately 2 years of use. All these brands get money through a resale-scheme, by making you have to constantly buy a new product from them. My recommendations are from brands that are still small and growing (so they're economically incentivised to make good, reliable products and ensure they have good software support, even if they drop software support for later models, since people will most commonly look at their original products to gauge reliability). These brands are still gaining customer loyalty and as such will happily help you with any problems you face and have already designed their products to last as long as possible. If you wanna try vertical mice: The Hansker performance vertical mouse is shipped from Germany (if memory serves me correctly)and so should be relatively easy to post to India. The Keychron M5 is also worth a try since they have multiple European stores and warehouses. The swiftpoint Ergo-point is American unfortunately so I don't think you could source one easily. For standard ergonomic mice: Kysona Uranus Pro copies the tried and true Roccat Kone shape, it's cheap, built like a tank, and is amazing for palm grip. Keychron M7 (not the M6, the M6 has a design flaw in the sensor that makes it behave unexpectedly). Dareu A980. Glorious Model i 2 (the model i 1 has issues don't get it). Roccat/Turtle Beach kone XP air (discontinued, but there is still old stock floating around). These mice should all be fairly easy to source and relatively cheap (and most importantly, they're all built to last and their software isn't required to run to keep the mouse working, so you don't have to worry about software obsolescence thankfully, most actually can use browser-based software, meaning you open up safari or chrome or edge, open up the website, and then the website talks directly to the mouse and tells it what settings to change, no need to even download a software).

Dareu a980. _ 3 buttons. Glorious model i (the wireless one is better QC wise). _ 4 buttons. Keychron M7 (M6 has very weird sensor behaviour for unknown reasons, so don't get it, wait for reviews on the M5 first if you want the M6). _ 3 buttons. Swiftpoint Tracer (or Creator or Z2). _ 8 buttons + analog main buttons (Z2 has motion controls). (Discontinued, but old stock is still here and there) Roccat/Turtle Beach kone XP air. _ 7 buttons + scroll tilt. (If you're prepared for fighting Steelseries software, saving the keybinds to the on-board memory, disabling Steelseries software entirely, and then controlling the RGB with OpenRGB) the Steelseries Aerox 9 is mostly ok, not the best ergonomics though and easily the worst performance and weight of all of these. _ 12 buttons + scroll tilt.

I have tried the mmo mice with 12 buttons on the side and really don't like them. After years going through wow Legendary mice I went rival 500 then it got discontinued. I have finally found a good replacement which is the turtle beach Kone XP air. It is a good mouse and I hope they make one with higher grade of plastic. If you get one, get the white one, better quality.

Moderately large hands guy here who has dug through countless of these threads: You're right. Almost every mouse in this thread is too small for you. While eloshapes doesn't paint a complete picture of hand feel, you'll see that most recommendations is around the same size as the Deathadder V3, which is already too small for my hands. Gaming mice used to be way larger on average but nowadays the selection just sucks. The following mice are actually significantly larger, but many of them have other drawbacks like weight or shape or come with very dated tech because they're old. - Asus Rog Spatha X: largest "normal" gaming mouse I know of, but also heaviest - Asus Rog Chakram: smaller than Spatha, but still very large and heavy - Roccat Kone/Turtle Beach Kone - Intellimouse These two aren't longer than you average mouse, but somewhat wider instead. Doubt they're big enough for you but figured I should mention. - Mionix Naos Pro - Corsair Ironclaw