Terra

it’s okay. I got the white one which doesn’t have the best coating. the right click is a little… creaky. if you’re simply looking for a g703 clone, the Terra is a much better mouse

i feel like the Thorn doesn't due to the size and shape. Not super restricting, same with Teevolutions Terra. These are my top 2 shapes currently as my wrist has gotten worse over time, so tucked waist mice that make me "pinch" fatigue me way faster

\+1 on the Teevolution Terra, easiest money i've thrown at china.

I have both the Terra Pro and the X3, shape wise the X3 feels wider and more bulbous. It’s great if you have a wider grip width but I prefer the classic shape and the Terra is a 1:1 of the 403/703. Also, in my opinion, I feel like the X3s coating is worse and I don’t like the clicks.

I’ll always recommend anything from MCHOSE and ATK. RAWM also has some good shapes but their prices jump dramatically depending on the product. I’ve used MCHOSE’s L7+ Ultra (Sora V2) , M7 Ultra (Zowie U2), A7 Pro (GPX Superlight), K7 Ultra (Razer Viper V3), and the Ace 60 Pro keyboard (Wooting 60HE). I generally liked all of the products but many simply weren’t for me because of various issues I had with specific shapes. The actual mouse quality was great and they were reasonably priced. Skates were hit or miss with some mice having great skates and others not. I still have the A7 Pro and the Ace 60 Pro to this day. ATK has changed quite a bit since I last used their products. The quality has improved significantly. Unfortunately I can’t say much more than that about them as I haven’t used their newer models but I keep up with their releases and I would recommend them as a good starting point for affordable mice. RAWM is a bit newer and they offer some new and unique shapes that I’d not seen before. I’ve been able to use the MH01 which is this interesting hybrid of the Razer Viper V2 and Razer Viper V3. What does that look like? It’s got the body of the V3 with the grip area of a V2, so like really aggressive curves that tell you where to grip from. I thought was cool but I found it caused finger pain after an hour or two. I kept trying to make it work and would even swap mice to see if it was just me but unfortunately I couldn’t bear using it for long enough. Lastly I’d like to recommend some “premium” brands that are still cheaper compared to Razer or Logitech. Lamzu and Pulsar are both brands that have a good variety of shapes at varying prices *depending on where you buy them*. You can find both within range of $90-$130 or less if you buy used. Of Lamzu’s product line I’ve used the Maya X, the Atlantis OG V2, the Inca ( Zowie Za13), and the Thorn. I found the Atlantis to be a bit too aggressive for me as it really locks in your grip so I gave it to a friend. The Thorn is a good shape for relaxed claw but you can claw it normally if you’ve got a tilted grip. I loved the Inca initially because it almost feels like a pen in your hand, it’s surprisingly narrow and really fills out the palm in a way I’ve not experienced with anything else. Unfortunately I’ve not used it much since I got it, after about a week of consistent use I was experiencing hand cramping. Turns out it was too small for me and I was basically pinching the sides with the force of a thousand suns just to stay stable. Lastly the Maya X, the bigger brother to the original Maya. I still use this one today as it’s my main mouse. It’s like if the GPX actually leaned into claw grip rather than trying to work for every grip. I don’t really know how else to describe it but I like it. Pulsar is probably the one I’ve got the least amount of time with compared to other brands. I found that many of their shapes just didn’t work for me for some reason or another. Of their products I’ve used the X2V2, X3, X2H, Xlite V3 and the TenZ Signature Edition. The X2 version 2 was my least favorite, hump support was pushed too far to the rear in my opinion and the actual grip area was like a brick. Its sides while slightly angled are very flat so it does allow for some variation in finger placement but you’re not doing much else but clawing. This actually fine as that’s what the mouse is designed for but I personally found it an uncomfortable shape to claw. I used to call it the poor man’s XM2 but both are pretty cheap nowadays so it’s just preference. The X3 I was initially excited for as I was looking for a lightweight clone of my G703. I would be disappointed to find that it was wider and stubbier by comparison. It’s just not the same and I wouldn’t find the clone I was looking for until just last year with the Teevolution Terra Pro which is a ~40g 1:1 clone with better skates and a better coating. The X2H was everything I already didn’t like about the X2 but with a higher hump and a steeper click. You might wondering why I bothered purchasing it at all if I didn’t like the X2. It was mostly because I figured the issue was I wasn’t getting enough palm contact. Turns out I just find it uncomfortable and the additional height didn’t help. I was then that realized I should be looking for mid to center rear humps with a more narrow grip area. The Xlite V3 was really just a purchase made because I was curious. The only ergo mice I’d used at that point were the Lamzu Thorn, Logitech G703, Vaxee E1, and Vaxee Outset AX. I would later learn that the Xlite was meant to be a clone of the Zowie EC series. It was an odd ergo to get used to and I never really stuck with it because I couldn’t get as good a grip as I could on my G703 or my Outset AX. The only other ergo I’ve used since was the Razer Deathadder V3 Pro which I got on sale for much cheaper than what it was sold it for at the time. The TenZ Signature Edition was my most recent purchase from Pulsar though I’ve not bought much of anything from them for quite a while. This was more of what I wanted out of the X2H. Hump has been pushed forward a little and lowered. The front has been brought up a bit so it’s not nearly as steep. And it’s got a more narrow grip area. While I did like it more than anything else I’ve used from Pulsar it still wasn’t what I was looking for. I am curious to try their most recent release of the X2N which seems like it’s exactly what I’ve been looking for from them for the last several years but I don’t have the money for it at the moment so it’ll just have to wait. I hope my long winded reply helps you find what you’re looking for.

Viper V3 Pro is cheaper than the V4 if you really wanted to buy a good flagship. V4 is kinda overkill for most people. As for the Superstrike, you’re better off buying one of the Superlights in most cases. HITS only noticeably benefits certain titles and the current settings used by most pros mimic those of the Superlight 2. And yes, I do use Chinese mice, they’re good products. That’s like criticizing someone for using store brand toilet paper. It’s the same thing but cheaper.

WLMOUSE is known for having a bunch of qc issues, that’s the primary reason I’ve never bought anything from them. Compared to other brands they consider themselves premium or higher quality so their prices reflect that being $130 to $150 which is not standard pricing. There are many other brands that have consistently good quality at a lower price. MCHOSE for example, most of the peripherals I own are MCHOSE. I spent $40-$60 at most per mouse. My Ace60 Pro keyboard still works great to this day and I bought it for $50 flat like 2 years ago.

No one thinks innovation happens overnight but the effect this will actually have on individual performance is negligible compared to current switch tech. This really only benefits tac shooters or mobas. I’ve bought multiple Chinese clones with zero QC issues. I had to replace my GPX three separate times for different issues. I’ve straight up stopped buying from Logitech as a result. Why buy a G703 when I can get a Teevolution Terra for cheaper and it’s better in every way? Why didn’t I bring it to market first? What an odd thing to say. I’m allowed to criticize a company for being unoriginal. This technology has been around for years and has already been implemented into affordable keyboards and controllers. This could’ve been done earlier with Logitechs insane budget. But no, we’ve gotten a “new” GPX variant for the last 4-5 years. Only new shape is the Dex and it’s not even an improvement over classics like the 502 or 703. It also suffers from similar QC issues that the standard GPX has. Zowie, Vaxee, and Pulsar have all had more meaningful additions added to their product line in the last 4 years. Honestly comparing Logitech to Gucci makes a lot of sense considering they follow the same business model. They use low quality materials, mass produced outside of their respective countries to cut costs, and persist purely off of brand recognition rather than actually making anything new. We’re gonna see clones of this tech within 3 months and it’s going to ultimately be more affordable because the reality is this technology doesn’t actually cost much to manufacture. This is a multi-billion dollar company that would easily profit off a sale price of $89.99 or lower. They chose to sell it this high because they’re “the first to offer it” not because it’s actually worth $180. Same as the cost of a GPX actually being like $20-$30 (accounting for everyone involved in development) to make and Chinese companies only upselling by an additional $20-$30 as opposed to an additional $130+.

I just had to pull out dog hairs from my DAV2, it was a close call for sure. But I also just replaced it with the Teevolution Terra Pro and let me tell you, as someone who used nothing but DAV for over a decade, I instantly fell in love. I had a good feeling about this mouse but now that I actually get to use it (literally just unboxed it) I am actually in shock of how comfortable it is, I thought I would have to get used to it for a while but it's everything I wanted the DAV to be. No awkward flare on the right side and the hump is raised on the back so I can actually rest my palm on it and maybe even transition to palm grip instead of claw which started to cause me wrist pains. It's on a sale right now so it's a good time to check it out.

IMHO symmetrical mice are better for claw grip compared to ergo mice. I have only tried 4 ergo mice (Xlite mini, DAV3, X3, and Terra pro) and the Terra pro is the only one that felt comfortable to claw grip (I have 19.5 x 10cm hands), but I wouldn’t choose it over something like the Duckbill or OP1. If you relax claw or palm ergos are better though

Did you open your mouse up? My biggest issue with this mouse (which all around, only minor things), is how brittle the plastic is. My theory is, in order to make a lightweight mouse that doesn't flex and creak, it's instead going to be brittle. Maybe that's what's going on here. Or they're just defective models. But with mine, I opened it up. 2 out of 4 screw holes were cracked. I can still secure the mouse, but they don't tighten. The back u-shaped clasp was half missing, broken. No piece to be found. Again, I can still hook it using, but I'm not confident in its longevity. When I looked at the pics from the Tech Power Up review, 3 out of 4 screws were cracked. Their back U shape clasp was cracked, but not broken off like mine. With my mouse assembled, it has no sign of internal damage. It's an A+ mouse. But I feel like when I stick with a mouse, I like to clean the scroll wheel out every few months. I have dogs. There's always dust and hairs getting in there, and eventually I'll start to feel it and I want it cleaned out. I don't want to open this mouse back up. Most people probably never open a mouse up, so my concern will probably be a non-issue for most people.

I agree with the conclusion and I think that aligns with what a lot of us have been saying on r/MouseReview when it comes to high priced mice. I don't know Pulsar's sales numbers, they seem to be doing well. It just seems like Pulsar is going to lose their corner of the market as they approach Razer/Logitech prices, despite not having their brand/name recognition. The appeal of Pulsar was "Why buy a Razer Deathadder, when I can buy an Xlite Large for 2/3 the price?" And maining both of those mice for a year, I felt Xlite was the superior product. Now a year later, they've already become the brand... "Why buy a crazylight when you could buy a Scyrox for nearly half the price?" The only way I see Pulsar winning, is if they plan on taking down Logitech and Razer. The strategy seems like they've gotten way ahead of themselves. And I hope I'm wrong, because I do like Pulsar, but if this trend continues, I'll be looking for the next "pulsar" or whoever is selling the next $80 mouse with premium parts. (I suppose I already am, as I went from an X3 to Terra Pro) They're being ambitious. Somebody over there has big goals. But remind me in 5 years how they're doing. We'll see. At the moment, they remind me of where Glorious once was in the mouse market.