Zowie (BenQ) - EC2-DW

I find this quite strange because I share the same concerns as you, but unlike you, the curved side of the EC2 is why I always used mice based on that; IME 3.0, and then EC2 versions over the years (EC2 OG with glossy sides, EC2 Blue rubberised, and a few years ago the EC2-DW. However, I switched to the Vaxee AX O because I experienced some skipping issues with a few EC2-DW units. My Vaxee has recently given me some double-clicking issues after a year and a half, and I'm thinking what's next

New ec1 and ec2 dw are great

Looking at your foto it’s probably a palm grip, so I’d recommend either a very safe ambi shape like gpx 2 (many cheaper clones available) or maya x or an ergo like Deathadder v3/v4 pro (hyperspeed if you want smaller), Xlite v4 (es) medium, ec2-dw, e1 or superlight 2 dex

If you experience pain or discomfort, you need both rest and recovery. I would advise you to temporarily switch to a trackball like a logitech mx ergo or Kensington slimblade pro for your officework. Also take regular breaks and do strengthening exercises and stretches. Set your desk height properly as well. Switching to a more relaxed grip style as well as temporary setting higher in-game sens will drastically reduce strain on your wrist and hand. With time you should recover and be pain free. Good luck. Ergo shapes depend a lot on your grip style and hand size as well. A safe ergo would be a zowie ec1 dw, or ec2 dw if you want something more mid size.

Ec1 is larger and forces a palm grip even with pretty large hands. Most people will be much better off with the ec2 and if you use relaxed claw it's much better for micro adjustments while still offering a tonne of stability. I use an ec2 with 20x11cm hands and a relaxed claw

Nice mine are basically 20x10cm. Ec2 is all I use these days. Might grab a DAv3 wired to test though

EC2. As someone that loved the 3.0 back in the day, I medium size version is perfection even for my large hands 

Same hand size and but with relaxed claw grip. Really like the EC2. Ec1 forces me in to a full palm so get that if you want palm

Absolutely! Ec1 is only good for Palm gripping with 20Cm+ hands. Ec2 with any type of relaxed claw is a much better pick.

Get the ec2-dw, it's 60 g

How does it compare to the V2 pro? I bought it 3 years ago and I had to replace it a few days ago. I bought a zowie EC2-DW but it's a bit slippery, the skates are very very good though. WIth the zowie I realized my old razer felt very very cheap, clicks are mushy, mouse-3 broke etc. And I really hate razer synapse. But I'm contemplating the V4 pro, have the issues I just noted been improved on a lot or nah?

Zowie EC2-DW is the way it is NOT 30$ though You can buy the same EC2 shape used from older models though The most comfortable ergo mouse shape I've tried.

Tried it. Prefer the balancing and coating on the ec2. If you’re on a budget then the er would be fine.

ec2-dw look no further

Wireless has been perfect for years. Any gaming mouse made in the last 5 years Will have perfect wireless implementation (aside from Bluetooth), regardless of the price you pay. For similar ergo mice I recommend looking at the deathadder v3 pro, the ec2-dw, or something like the Vaxee AX

I got my ec2-dw in and that’s the one I’m going with. It’s absolutely perfect. Build quality is outstanding and the clicks feel phenomenal. Perfect shape and size for my hand too.

the dav3hs is a great mouse in and of itself but when you factor in the price, which can often lower on amazon with sales, it's an even greater pick. some people say the lamzu paro is somewhat similar to the dav3hs, personally i felt it was much closer to the zowie ec3-dw but anyway you may want to check it out. as a side note i returned my paro aurora because the clicks (in particular the right) were not good out the box and only seemed to deteriorate further after only a month but you may have better luck. others to possibly consider are zowie ec2-dw (my current fav ergo) and vaxee e1. some unique ergos that are not like the dav3hs but you may find interesting because they do their own, different thing are vaxee np01s ergo, pulsar jv-x, cherry xtrfy m64 pro, zaopin zpw (a modern steelseries prime mini clone).

Those have programmable buttons excluding the zowie EC as it doesn't have software

Zowie dw series and egg mice but latency doesn't matter on all of top brands

I have the ec2-dw I recommend it

Deathadder V4 or ec2-dw

You're welcome yeah zowie is a reliable brand less issues and the build quality is amazing

Depends EC for ergonomic, fk for claw/fingertip, s/za/u for claw grip

Ec2-dw or the np-01s ergo

Deathadder V4 or ec2-dw

Yes but I prefer using the ec3-dw because I have small hands the ec2-dw is just too big for me and fills too much my handsize is 17x10

Zowie ec2-dw the classic ergo shape, it's the equivalent of superlight if the superlight is a popular symmetrical mouse then the ec2-dw is a popular ergonomic mouse.

Ec2-dw for palm much better for palm grip imo.

Ergonomic mice like the deathadder V3 hyperspeed, zowie ec2-dw/ec3-dw the classic shape

Awesome how do you feel about the dav3 hyperspeed is it borderline too big on your hand size and grip style or the size is just fine?

That's great I actually have the ec3-dw right now and ec2-dw I heard the dav3 hyperspeed is similar to the ec2-dw size/dimensions but overall feels smaller than the ec2-dw, you gave me a confidence of trying the dav3 hyperspeed but I'll wait for the v4 hyperspeed if it comes out.

Check out the ec2-dw this is a classic ergo shape and no software all settings that you want to change will be on the mouse by combining a button.

Improved your aim? Hell no but maybe you'll have a better experience with that mouse because it's lightweight just so you know it's a different shape and much bigger than the ec2-cw. Maybe you should get the ec3-dw small ergonomic mouse of zowie or buy the ec2-dw.

Check BenQ Zowie EC2-DW its what I have and I bought it because I have big hands too

Uranus Pro - most similar to Razer Basilisk at low weight of 54 g with good frost not sticky coating. If you really want to get rid of charging annoyances get the EC2-DW or the size according to your hand size as it comes with a charger on your mousepad that you can set the mouse on after use rather than plugging it in.

not all pros prefer this mouse and in general this is an extremely subjective topic. i'd pick zowie ec-dw2 over logitech any day.

Im master dps and support in overwatch and I main this mouse and it feels like aimbot sometimes so I get what you mean. Other ergos ive tried are dav3 pro, gpx dex, and ec2-dw but none of them felt as good as the dav3 hs so I sold them. Currently im testing out the ec3-dw but the lmb/rmb are kinda short not sure how I feel about it so I still need to try it out extensively but I dont see it replacing the deathadder. For reference my hands are a bit smaller than yours at 19 x 10.

Ec3-DW, Dav3 hs, Vv3p, Superlight 2c. Hand size is 19 x 10 cm and Claw grip. Main Game: Overwatch Current Rank: Master5 on tank, Master 3 on dps, Gm5 on support Main Mouse: Dav3hs Dav3 hs and vv3p are what I kept from my last collection culling, they were my favorite ergo and ambi that I tried and those two I plan to keep and never sell (Im not a razer shill I promise lol). Ec3 and gpx 2c are mice that I am still testing out atm and ultimately I will decide whether to keep or sell them. I also want to try Vaxee’s lineup (xe v2, np01s v2, E1) but I wish they sold on Amazon. Maybe one day. My last collection post: https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/1i01sdj/mouse_collection_pic/ Mice that I Sold: dav3 pro: too big, not unusably but was a bit unwieldy. S2-DW: was fine size-wise and shape-wise but didnt really use it over the vv3 pro. FK2-DW: too flat. i prefer a bump for stability when aiming. ZA13-DW: most unique shape I’ve tried. It was fine but I prefer the more general(?) shape of the vv3p. EC2-DW: size was fine but i preferred dav3hs. I know alot of people rave about the ec shape but it didnt do anything for me personally. xm2w 4k: I actually liked this shape but the way endgame gear handled the op1w 4k v2 malware issue (took them like 3-4 weeks to make an official statement and inform their customers) left a bad taste in my mouth so I sold it. I don’t want to support this company with my money. gpx dex: similar big size to dav3 pro but the shape and coating made it easier to grip for me. I would have no problems using this but I just prefer smaller ergos. U2-DW: claw grip mouse but I didnt like the locked in feeling it gave. rvmse: too small op1w 4k: too thin gpx2: size is fine but after years of trying to use this shape I was never able to get used to it. I only tried for so long bc so many pros use it but it just doesnt work for me.

yah haha every one except the e1-dw which I think would be too big. Ec3->ec2 for me personally. The naming is confusing because it’s not just smaller but the ec3 is wider and shorter. For me most favorite to least would be: 1. S2 2. ec3 3. za13 4. ec2 5. fk2 6. u2 Ec3 might be #1 over the S2 but I am not sure yet I need to test it more. also ec2 and fk2 might be switched but its been a while since Ive used them so I dont really remember.

Personal but I love Ec2 it’s so fucking relaxing. Was a claw gripper before but switched to palming an ergo and after some adjustment my aim didn’t suffer from it, besides that my wrist is now healthy again and I don’t have pain.

Keyboard no endgame yet, mouse EC2-DW, mousepad LGG Saturn Pro

18x10, EC2-DW because it fits perfect for palm grip, it’s controlled, stable, relaxed and I play very consistent with it. Before I was claw gripping some claw grip mice but I always got cramps and exhaustion after playing longer session, which is all gone after switching to palming an ergo

you basically drew an op1 and VAXEE xe/xe-s. consider those or an ergonomic mouse like the vaxee e1, ec2/3-dw, or pulsar xlite. even the VAXEE np-01s might be the best shape for you, based on the issues described. it has more ring and pinky support than any non-ergo mouse I've used and you can easily be agile with it and have a flexible grip, while having more support for the thumb and ring/pinky fingers.

Order of importance for peripheral quality is as follows: Mouse< Mousepad< Headphones< Monitor< Table< Keyboard< Chair< So the answer to your question is yes, it's not just important to have a good mouse, it's the most important thing your of setup if you're trying to improve at CS. If you want a good cheap recommendation, you should try the Coolermaster MM720, which is ugly as fuck but really nice comfort-wise, or the Logitech G305 for a really good wireless option. The G305's shape is like a more comfortable office mouse, so if this is your first time trying to get into gaming mice I absolutely love the G305. For more the best options, there's really only 2 logical picks for mice and that's the Logitech Superlight and Zowie EC2 Wireless. They're both genuinely worth it and at the highest level are the most used mice for their great build quality and comfortable shapes. Hope this helps you make your mind up :)

wait for deathadder v4 tbh its coming in 2-3 months Or zowie ec dw line if u dont want to wait, they have perfect sensor tilt more to the right side of the mouse and it makes my preaims so precise horizontally

he loved the ec2 before it died

i feel like nobody uses large mice anymore, but rather they just palm smaller mice like gpx and ec2, razer vv3 razer Dav3hyperspeed. Niko the only one using dav3, even spinx switched to zowie ec2 now

Bro, everything is good for palm. I never seen a mouse i cant palm, even the g303 i palmed lol. 0 discomfort, even palm the gwolves mini mice (18/10 hands). My fav shapes were za12 ec2 mx518

I adore ergoes from mx518 to ec2, everything

the makeshift ring support on the EC2 is amazing haha (miss the divina line sm)

I have a very similar hand size to yours, and I have tried many mice in the past few weeks. I usually play with a relaxed claw grip. If any shop where you live offers a return policy or allows you to try mice in their shop, I would suggest that. Your palm should have decent support, and all of your fingers should be able to rest naturally. I didn't like the Viper V3 Pro because it was too narrow in the middle, and the clicks caused my fingers to go into a V shape. My pinky had no place to rest. The Maya X and Superlight 2 are much more comfortable and universal for symmetrical mice. For ergos, I might recommend the EC2 or Xlite V4 medium, which are very popular shapes. I believe that mice under 122x62x40 will feel weird if you sometimes palm your mice and are used to good palm support. Smaller mice would work, but you need a different grip style with your hand size.

I dont have particularly big hands, but for some reason ive prefered larger mouses, and have been having a great time with my Zowie ec2: [https://zowie.benq.com/en-us/mouse/ec2.html](https://zowie.benq.com/en-us/mouse/ec2.html)

I've used a Zowie EC2 for almost 6 years now and can highly recommend it

Ergo: Zowie EC2: my preference is palm and it fits my hand very well for that. I have gained a lot of stability with this mouse (most noticeably in cs) being able to just simply get my crosshair on the target in a more controlled and consistent manner. Symmetrical: GPX/GPX 2: Part of it being it’s the first shape I ever used with the old G pro wireless. But it’s also, for me, the shape/size that offers the most utility. I can palm or claw if I want to, have always had great target tracking on it, ability to hit nasty flicks, while also feeling stable in slower fps games.

I have 22 cm and vxe R1 is really small in my hands, i suggest you the Zowie EC2

ERGO: Zowie EC2 is the gold standard for ergo shapes. Almost every popular ergo mouse has cloned this one, check it out if you haven't. AMBI: Zowie FK1/2 and Logitech GPX. Razer cloned the FK1 shape for the older Viper models and the V3 is a GPX inspired shape.

EC2. I’ve tried a ton of ambi lightweight mice but I aim best with an ec2

Viper v3 pro is my current favorite symmetrical shape, but if you were interested in trying ergos I’ve been using a pulsar xlite for a while now and it just melts perfectly into my hand. My current favorite ec2 clone

Similar hand size and I use relaxed claw. While I vaguely tried to follow the small mice rule, none of those were great for comfort. Talking about the VXE R1/Mad R size. Those were giving me pain around the little finger. The comfortable ones were mid to large sized. EC2, S1, Haste, DAV3 were infinitely better. Currently using ATK Z1 (EC2 clone) and it has been great. My conclusions were - length of more than 120mm and grip width of 62mm or more.

>In my opinion most ergos feel more or less the same with minor differencies I couldn't disagree more. For example, I can't stand the Dav3 shape, it's super unconfortable, too long, the front flair hits my finger... The classic EC2 shape feels much better, and recently got the x3 which is close to my favorite shape (G403/G703) which feels so much more natural to use than anything else. This is all just for me as this is VERY subjective. As for the Dex I haven't tried it, but except the shape, what is different from the superlight 2? I feel specs wise logitech fell far behind everyone else.

not op but been using ec2 for cs2 and its god tier if you have a claw grip. ive had the mouse for 9 years without fail

Used Zowie EC2 iirc, great mouse very durable. Used Steelseries something, it sucked in terms of durability and quality, wheel became loose rather quickly. Used Logitech G300 or whatever that wireless basic model is, decent mouse. Using G502 wireless now, good mouse. To be honest mouse is not very much important so long as it works decent enough. Not a big fan of many buttons or lighting or macros etc, 2 extra side buttons is enough and a life changer for casual internet browsing imo. I prefer my mouse a bit on the bigger side and don't like superlight mice so G502 is good on that regard.

I would like to say that ive had my zowie ec2 for ~10 years and am only now thinking of an upgrade. Mice can last a very long time, I wouldnt even change mice but mine double clicks on left mouse and one of the side buttons, and the scroll wheel doesnt work that well anymore

Honestly, not everyone playing at an above average tier or even pro level will have benefits from low weight. Its really a matter of aim styles, grips, body and arm position, etc. I can only find my ideal sens for both flicks and tracking with a bit more weight, without it, one is always a bit off. You just gotta look around, many pros in many games still use mice like the ec2 or even the deathadder. Low weight is not better, its just more suited to the majority (i agree with that). And Im all about diminishing returns , its super fun to maximize potential! But in my case and many others in my gaming circles a bit of weight can give better results no matter if you play slow, super fast, etc. It's really personal "preference". I wish these things were predictable, my wallet would be happier !

It’s not that weird. That’s a pincer claw grip with a strange thumb position. I do the same, but with the thumb below the buttons. Zowie EC2, Lamzu thorn, G Pro superlight, Asus Harpe Ace work for me. Might work for you too. Zowie ZA-13, Vaxee Outset AX or NP01-S get recommended for this kind of grip a lot, though I haven’t tried them.

Pulsar Xlite v3 is far and away my favorite at the moment. Have used DAV3, Ec2, gpro DEX, Vaxee outset. It’s essentially an Ec2 clone

Medium and I got the cheaper, non-es one on Amazon for 70 bucks. It’s nearly identical to the Ec2 shape

As someone who has had the DAV3 Pro and DEX, tried the NP-01s, Xlite and the EC2… For shape, it’s the DEX hands down. Build could be a little better for the price but shape is king/queen. Note: hands are 20.5 x 11cm and I use relaxed claw. I’ve also heard good things about the E1 but I can’t find a 3D scan of it anywhere.

Gpx if you’re not price sensitive and wanting a safe option that’ll let you experiment with different grip styles. Viper v3 is a solid pick too with a better sensor, coating (get white), and weight but has a slightly more restrictive shape and could be on the larger size for your hands. Tons of ergonomic options too if you prefer that - I’ve tried the ec2 and thought it was super comfy. Though after buying like 9 more mice I still perform the best with the gpx lol. Everything is pretty good nowadays and battery life is great. I recommend playing on 2k polling for the best blend of performance and battery life.

I have a few. For ambi, it's Viper v3 and XM2w. For ergo it's EC2 and G502.

yeah get ec1. even as a mere 19cm i can't get along well enough with ec2 using palm grip.

Its the same length as ec2, only a bit wider.

Ec2 seems the way shape wise tbh. The rapoo vt3 pro seems interesting too from a shape perspective, or the vt3s gen 2 its slightly shorter though.

for me its either S2/EC2. used bunch of mouse shape before but always keep getting back to S2/EC2 as both of them suits my hand really well and most comfortable :)

Zowie Ec2 for sure. Haven’t used ergos in forever now

My Mount Rushmore of mice: Xtrfy M4/M64 (my goat), Zowie EC2 (my safe place), G pro x superlight (my basic b), Roccat Burst Pro (my first love).

I have around the same hand size as you ergo: DAV3, EC2, EC1, Xlite size 2/3, Zaopin Z2, Vaxee E1, Lamzu Thorn ambi: Maya X, VXE Mad R (small but I can still claw it), GPX, Viper V3 pro

Feinmann will probably be too small, I would try the EC2 or E1, or if you want magnesium the stormbreaker

Strongly recommend benq zowie ec3 or ec2 (3 being large size and 2 being medium). Its hard to figure out which models are discontinued now but I’ve been using ec2-a since my mad catz rat mouse’s wire broke (so like 2017 I think) and it’s still working with no problems, I have some big palms for a girl and this is basically the best mouse I’ve had

there's a lot more factors into it if you're just looking at the peripherals. These could include mousepad, mouse weight, size, grip etc. Personally I've used a lot of mice playing tac fps. These includes a Logitech G402, EC2, 2 crappy GPWs, RVU, a very bad copy of the GPX, DAV3P, and now I'm on my Lamzu Maya X and EGG XM2W 4K Looking back I think I made the most progress with my game with the RVU, then again I also upgraded to a Hien mousepad from a very old QcK. You could also say that my own personal growth as a player could've contributed to it as well. Although looking at it objectively it's actually quite funny since I felt that playing the AWP/OP I was more consistent when using an ergo mouse and when rifling I feel more consistent with an ambi mouse. I think even today when I'm playing Rivals, l4d2, BF, or Squad with the boys I still feel the same way.

Logitech G400. I used an MX518 afterwards, same shape and all that. I now use a Zowie EC2.

kind of yeah, especially for anyone with bigger hands outside of the EC1 and the Large Xlites theres nothing The Deathadder has gone to a flatter shape that tries to suit both palm and claw but isn't perfect for either Vaxee who are from what I understand the brains behind the original Zowie designs seem hesitant to do anything bigger than the EC2 Logitechs successors to the MX518 shape, the G502 and the G502X are much more of a claw design Steelseries is as good as dead, Roccat is literally dead The Chinese brands have barely done any big mice which is understandable considering their buyer market The G703 clones seem to be not as popular as some people thought they were despite the good reviews for the Terra

No company ever bothered to clone the EC1. DAv3 and Xlite V3 size 3 are less long and 2mm taller, they are vastly different. EC2 however has been cloned they shit out of...

if you want an ergo more like the model d, i recommend the razer deathadder v3 (if you don't like that you could look at the pulsar xlite series or at zowie ec2)

I think it's alarming that you never tried the good old ec2. I've tried multiple different newer mice with good internals and different shapes(the last one was op18k), but I always go back to my trusty ec2a from 2017. So comfortable and I'm aiming great in cs2

I've had my best aim era with g203 never felt that feeling again. +23 mice on my own. Ec2 feels like a glove coming fron g203. Superlighit feels comfy but the clicks arent crazy. Good luck.

Zowie ec2 is a deathadder clone with much much much better build quality

EC2 is the best shape I've used, E1 had the best clicks. I'll give honorable mentions to the Kone Pure Ultra and Origin One X.

LOOOONG time cs player here Get a Zowie. EC1 or EC2 is posible

We definitely are at peak. The sensors are so good to the point where you can’t even tell the difference with just the naked human eye. A mouse and more to come eventually where you can adjust the increments of your dpi by just 1 dpi at a time. Mice weighing below 40 grams with polling rates high enough it drains the heck out of your battery or it’ll cause heavy stutters, especially if it’s not high polling rate friendly. The clicks on all the mice I’ve tried, GPX 2, viper v3 pro, beastx max, and Lamzu Atlantis…. They all felt the same latency wise. The only mice where I’ve clicked and felt like the quickness of its latency was the xm2w 4k and op1 8k. Even zowies mice dw series clicks feel just about the same as any other new release latency wise even though it’s higher than normal on paper. But guess what, that’s on paper and we aren’t computers lol. The race to see who’s mice are better than the other are fun but in reality… something we don’t want to admit is they are all basically the same thing but with different shapes and different weights. It all comes down to how it’s implemented. It’s crazy to hear we live in a day that people legitimately call 60 gram mice heavy. If it continues they’ll soon start calling mice 50 grams heavy lol

Thank you, i still stand by my point on this matter, its not even my "opinion" its mere statistics of my purchases and quality/RMAs in last 10 years. needless to say, since i made this post i am now using newest zowie benq wireless mouse and its been working fine, lets see how long it lasts

I wouldnt say that, its just made for palm grip for medium-small hands. I have medium hands, my friend has small, I use this and he uses the ec2-cw, completely fine

looks like pincer claw try zowie ec mice

I got my first Deathadder in 2009. I had two of the original model, one 3.5 and one 4G. In 2015, I bought a Zowie EC that I've been using near daily for the past decade.

I got my first Deathadder in 2009. I had two of the original model, one 3.5 and one 4G. In 2015, I bought a Zowie EC that I've been using near daily for the past decade.

I got my first Deathadder in 2009. I had two of the original model, one 3.5 and one 4G. In 2015, I bought a Zowie EC that I've been using near daily for the past decade.

Something ergo from zowie/ deathadder V3 pro / deathadder V3 hyperspeed / Vaxee

Basically any ergo mouse, ie. Deathadder v3 or v4. ZOWIE EC. There’s hundreds of good ergo mice out there.

not sure what you mean by 3 mode. but ergo mice like the EC series by zowie, death adder series, FK2-DW(ambi), Maya X(ambi), GPX Dex, but it entirely depends on your hand size and preferences

Zowie wireless ones go for triple the price of these . I used to have a zowie ec mouse back in 2014 to 2020 the right doesn't work anymore otherwise a brilliant mouse

No Zowie on the FPS list is kinda crazy to me. Zowie is BenQs mouse brand, it’s a no frills very high quality mouse. No software no firmware updates, 4 DPI presets. They are consistently the best FPS mice I’ve owned. On the flip side, Logi G600 is hands down the best MMO mouse, it actually promotes me to be so lazy with keybinds I find myself using it in games other than MMOs. Protip: the older Logi Gaming Software works way better than the newer LGS for the G600.

More like user issue to me. Some people out there are just bad and doesn’t take care of things. If you take care of something, It’ll take care of you. Stay away from Logitech and Steelseries. My glorious O is 5 years old now. I had my Benq Zowie for more than a decade and I still use it. Still have my Deathadder, Mamba, Spectre and Naga throughout the years. Zowie is always been my mouse and I bought one from 2022. I use my 10+ year old on my laptop.

BenQ Zowie has been great for me.