Zowie (BenQ) - EC3-DW 4K Wireless Gaming Mouse for Esports

Is that the ec2? If so there is the ec3-c or -dw or e1 if you want a similar and smaller shape. Lamzu thorn maybe could work as well.

Top 3 for me me , GPX 2C , EC3-DW and OP1-8K all others are collecting dust at the moment .

Heck my GPX 2C and EC3-DW arrived the same day . Glad my wife didnt see the packages lollll

I have the ec3-dw and my scroll wheel is perfect no issues but I agree on your about the sensor when I compare my ec3-c and ec3-dw both at 400 dpi the ec3-dw is faster and I know it's common to all mice.

Since you don't have a preference get a zowie mouse c version for wired cw or the dw version, zowie mice have good durability. Or check out the op18k and XM2 8k

Those have programmable buttons excluding the zowie EC as it doesn't have software

Zowie dw series and egg mice but latency doesn't matter on all of top brands

It's subjective for me the ec3-dw cause it's the best shape and size for my hand size and grip style

I like both tbh I main the ec3-dw but I still go back to my ec3-c if my ec3-dw is charging.

I'm currently using the ec3-dw it has a full tilt design so I'm curious how the np-01s ergo will feel on 17x10 hands, I like using ergos especially on tac fps.

My endgame mouse right now is the ec3-dw + a cheap mechanical keyboard the fantech maxfit 61 with razer yellow switch gen 3.

Depends EC for ergonomic, fk for claw/fingertip, s/za/u for claw grip

Yes but I prefer using the ec3-dw because I have small hands the ec2-dw is just too big for me and fills too much my handsize is 17x10

I use the ec3-dw so I recommend it

I use it for pincer claw, aggressive claw is also nice, but for knuckle claw the hump is too low.

17x10 Main mouse is the ec3-dw and ec3-c when my ec3-dw is charging, I noticed when I grip an ambidextrous mouse I tend to slightly tilt my hand so I opt for an ergonomic mouse and it's way better to hold it accommodate my grip style and super comfy too.

I would say you have an average hand length and your palm is a bit wider, deathadder V4 is a large ergo from the pictures of your dav4 grip for me it looks like a perfect fit. I have small hands 17x10 and my main right now is the ec3-dw my grip on this mouse is Pincer - relaxed claw very comfortable mouse btw. Some say an ergonomic mouse is ideal for palm grip yes but really it doesn't matter as long as the mouse is comfortable with your grip style. Viper V3 pro is a symmetrical mouse and imo they're good for any claw grips I'm thinking it's either the mouse shape isn't for you or symmetrical is not good for your hands.

Ergonomic mice like the deathadder V3 hyperspeed, zowie ec2-dw/ec3-dw the classic shape

Maybe you can try the dav3 hyperspeed it is a different shape compared to the old deathadder shape/size the dav3 hyperspeed is basically a smaller Dav3 pro, or the ec3-dw shorter length but keeps the width of the ec2 and lower hump. If you don't like ergo try the x2 crazy light medium this is a symmetrical mouse with a wider flat sides shorter than the fk2 120mm length, and has a bit of a hump towards the back

Awesome how do you feel about the dav3 hyperspeed is it borderline too big on your hand size and grip style or the size is just fine?

That's great I actually have the ec3-dw right now and ec2-dw I heard the dav3 hyperspeed is similar to the ec2-dw size/dimensions but overall feels smaller than the ec2-dw, you gave me a confidence of trying the dav3 hyperspeed but I'll wait for the v4 hyperspeed if it comes out.

Sometimes I also main the ec3-c over the ec3-dw because of the added weight

Improved your aim? Hell no but maybe you'll have a better experience with that mouse because it's lightweight just so you know it's a different shape and much bigger than the ec2-cw. Maybe you should get the ec3-dw small ergonomic mouse of zowie or buy the ec2-dw.

I'm using the ec3-dw and ec3-c best mouse that I ever use

I'm using an EC3 DW, but it's borderline too big for me to use a proper fingertip grip, you might struggle. There's really not a good market for ergo fingertip mice. Pulsar are making good shapes and solid mice, but their sensor firmware issues keep me away.

Im master dps and support in overwatch and I main this mouse and it feels like aimbot sometimes so I get what you mean. Other ergos ive tried are dav3 pro, gpx dex, and ec2-dw but none of them felt as good as the dav3 hs so I sold them. Currently im testing out the ec3-dw but the lmb/rmb are kinda short not sure how I feel about it so I still need to try it out extensively but I dont see it replacing the deathadder. For reference my hands are a bit smaller than yours at 19 x 10.

Ec3-DW, Dav3 hs, Vv3p, Superlight 2c. Hand size is 19 x 10 cm and Claw grip. Main Game: Overwatch Current Rank: Master5 on tank, Master 3 on dps, Gm5 on support Main Mouse: Dav3hs Dav3 hs and vv3p are what I kept from my last collection culling, they were my favorite ergo and ambi that I tried and those two I plan to keep and never sell (Im not a razer shill I promise lol). Ec3 and gpx 2c are mice that I am still testing out atm and ultimately I will decide whether to keep or sell them. I also want to try Vaxee’s lineup (xe v2, np01s v2, E1) but I wish they sold on Amazon. Maybe one day. My last collection post: https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/1i01sdj/mouse_collection_pic/ Mice that I Sold: dav3 pro: too big, not unusably but was a bit unwieldy. S2-DW: was fine size-wise and shape-wise but didnt really use it over the vv3 pro. FK2-DW: too flat. i prefer a bump for stability when aiming. ZA13-DW: most unique shape I’ve tried. It was fine but I prefer the more general(?) shape of the vv3p. EC2-DW: size was fine but i preferred dav3hs. I know alot of people rave about the ec shape but it didnt do anything for me personally. xm2w 4k: I actually liked this shape but the way endgame gear handled the op1w 4k v2 malware issue (took them like 3-4 weeks to make an official statement and inform their customers) left a bad taste in my mouth so I sold it. I don’t want to support this company with my money. gpx dex: similar big size to dav3 pro but the shape and coating made it easier to grip for me. I would have no problems using this but I just prefer smaller ergos. U2-DW: claw grip mouse but I didnt like the locked in feeling it gave. rvmse: too small op1w 4k: too thin gpx2: size is fine but after years of trying to use this shape I was never able to get used to it. I only tried for so long bc so many pros use it but it just doesnt work for me.

yah haha every one except the e1-dw which I think would be too big. Ec3->ec2 for me personally. The naming is confusing because it’s not just smaller but the ec3 is wider and shorter. For me most favorite to least would be: 1. S2 2. ec3 3. za13 4. ec2 5. fk2 6. u2 Ec3 might be #1 over the S2 but I am not sure yet I need to test it more. also ec2 and fk2 might be switched but its been a while since Ive used them so I dont really remember.

https://preview.redd.it/a17kokd93xdf1.jpg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30559b49acb72f9e1f3c51b8a745b6391c5bf3e3 Been using the E1 before the EC3-DW came out but wanted to get the EC3 because I have small feminine hands (unfortunately) and wanted something more nimble, but not too narrow (The reason why I can't use the Xlite Mini or any super small EC clones). Context: Sweaty gamer who plays CS and Apex. Some random thoughts: E1: Vaxee's Wireless Competitive Mode is noticeably superior to anything I've ever tried, and that remains true vs the EC3-DW. I'm not sure how they pulled it off but it feels noticeably snappier, smoother than the EC3, and it's probably the biggest thing that keeps me from moving off the E1 completely. If you have medium-small hands the E1 is the one to get IMO. The E1 has the better clicks and scroll wheel as well IMO. The only thing I prefer on the EC3 is the coating and the side buttons. But if the E1 came in a EC3-style variant, I would definitely prefer that over the EC3-DW. I also tried Vaxee's new speed skates with the anti collapsing thing. Really nice, has that smooth butter glossy feel but doesn't play too fast either. EC3-DW: EC3-DW's wireless 4k mode disappointed me a little bit, as I mentioned above, it doesn't feel as good as Vaxee's wireless competitive mode. However, it's not bad in any sense either, just not anything special. I like how you can charge the mouse via the dongle though, and you get extra skates and a regular small dongle along with the main dongle. Quite a good value for only $10 more than the E1. The best thing about the EC3 to me is the shape. Nothing else like it on the market. It doesn't feel too small and in my hands it feels much less bulky than the E1. I was expecting it to just be a shorter E1, but it feels more compact all around, which surprised me because I heard the EC3 was just a shorter EC2, which the E1 is basically based off of. However, another disappointment is the click latency on the EC3, again it feels just a tad slower than the E1. Is it going to make that much of a difference in-game? Probably not, but every time I pick up the EC3 I can't help but compare it to the E1 which has almost 0 debounce and feels incredibly responsive. Also had to switch the feet to the black ones included. Surprisingly there wasn't much of a difference between the white and black feet but the black feet is just a hair slower. The white ones felt way to fast with basically zero stopping power on all my pads, but turned into mud on my one super control pad. The weight balancing is also a little back heavy, which throws me off since I grip the mouse near the front like you're supposed to, so they need to fix that honestly. If you have larger hands than me, you probably won't notice the shape difference as much. It only makes a difference to me since I have small ass hands. Let me know if anyone has questions about these mice. In general I would recommend the E1 over the EC3 unless you have very small hands like me, where EC2-like shapes feel too bulky.

I'm going with the EC3 right now only because the smaller shape gives me more maneuverability. Everything else, Vaxee basically does better. But we'll see in a few months, I've only had this mouse for a few weeks since it just launched.

EC3 and Vaxee E1. 

I have 19 x 10cm hands and went from a G502 to an EC2a in 2016 and after a week of constant use found it to be a huge improvement. Zowie might be behind in terms of tech and features but they are still the goats of shape. Plenty of other brands do that ergo shape, but none come close to the feel of the EC. While I don't daily drive that EC2a anymore, I always have my EC3 and camade bungee connected for use when other mice need charging or just for nostalgic comfort. The only thing that is a bummer are Zowie's scroll wheels. They feel pretty cheap and nasty compared to every other manufacturer.

Same grip and \~same hand size, started gaming long time ago with the first G502.. then when Logitech made G PRO (G305) shape.. I got the Prodigy one, G203 and used that for a long time. Looking for a lighter replacement I tried: \- XM1 (good shape, great coating, but slightly large, back hump too big, definitely worth trying) \- OP1 (way to narrow, not for me) \- All the Zowies, ended up using for a short time EC-3 (issue: no micro adjustments), ZA-13 (back hump too high) \- GPX 2.. not bad but for some reason can't find a good grip... also, slippery, sold. I'll try the smaller 2 C \- G303 SE, great if it wasn't so big (still use it regularly at work) but G305 has better shape. \- MZ1 awesome.. just unreliable and a liiiiitle bit too small. \- Viper Mini = No! \- G403 that hump's huge. Now trying Mchose L7 Ultra and G3 Ultra... You (me also) want a mouse small enough that let you do micro adjustments with your fingers, it also must have some support where that small palm part touch it. G305 is great at this because you can freely move the mouse, that slightly tilted sides let fingers grab it easily, and when you press it against your palm you have enough support. If I have to pick a mouse right now for the next years, shapewise G305.. Can't understand why Logitech have not yet released a superlight version and is milking with no end the GPX shape.. Think about not buying a mouse because a pro use it but buy it if it suits you, that's what counts.

Just FYI the EC3 is very slightly shorter but actually wider than EC2.

Strongly recommend benq zowie ec3 or ec2 (3 being large size and 2 being medium). Its hard to figure out which models are discontinued now but I’ve been using ec2-a since my mad catz rat mouse’s wire broke (so like 2017 I think) and it’s still working with no problems, I have some big palms for a girl and this is basically the best mouse I’ve had

I always love the EC3 shape, but mine is dead and I am now using ROG Keris 2 ace. The performance is top notch, but I still prefer the more controllable EC3 shape. My hand size is 18 cm, 10 cm. I would like to try the Feinmann which is only a hair higher hump than EC3, but I think I will wait for the 1.5 Size with no holes. Thanks for your meticulous review brother.

you basically drew an op1 and VAXEE xe/xe-s. consider those or an ergonomic mouse like the vaxee e1, ec2/3-dw, or pulsar xlite. even the VAXEE np-01s might be the best shape for you, based on the issues described. it has more ring and pinky support than any non-ergo mouse I've used and you can easily be agile with it and have a flexible grip, while having more support for the thumb and ring/pinky fingers.

wait for deathadder v4 tbh its coming in 2-3 months Or zowie ec dw line if u dont want to wait, they have perfect sensor tilt more to the right side of the mouse and it makes my preaims so precise horizontally

Zowie dw best mouse! 😀

We definitely are at peak. The sensors are so good to the point where you can’t even tell the difference with just the naked human eye. A mouse and more to come eventually where you can adjust the increments of your dpi by just 1 dpi at a time. Mice weighing below 40 grams with polling rates high enough it drains the heck out of your battery or it’ll cause heavy stutters, especially if it’s not high polling rate friendly. The clicks on all the mice I’ve tried, GPX 2, viper v3 pro, beastx max, and Lamzu Atlantis…. They all felt the same latency wise. The only mice where I’ve clicked and felt like the quickness of its latency was the xm2w 4k and op1 8k. Even zowies mice dw series clicks feel just about the same as any other new release latency wise even though it’s higher than normal on paper. But guess what, that’s on paper and we aren’t computers lol. The race to see who’s mice are better than the other are fun but in reality… something we don’t want to admit is they are all basically the same thing but with different shapes and different weights. It all comes down to how it’s implemented. It’s crazy to hear we live in a day that people legitimately call 60 gram mice heavy. If it continues they’ll soon start calling mice 50 grams heavy lol

Thank you, i still stand by my point on this matter, its not even my "opinion" its mere statistics of my purchases and quality/RMAs in last 10 years. needless to say, since i made this post i am now using newest zowie benq wireless mouse and its been working fine, lets see how long it lasts

I wouldnt say that, its just made for palm grip for medium-small hands. I have medium hands, my friend has small, I use this and he uses the ec2-cw, completely fine

looks like pincer claw try zowie ec mice

I got my first Deathadder in 2009. I had two of the original model, one 3.5 and one 4G. In 2015, I bought a Zowie EC that I've been using near daily for the past decade.

I got my first Deathadder in 2009. I had two of the original model, one 3.5 and one 4G. In 2015, I bought a Zowie EC that I've been using near daily for the past decade.

I got my first Deathadder in 2009. I had two of the original model, one 3.5 and one 4G. In 2015, I bought a Zowie EC that I've been using near daily for the past decade.

Something ergo from zowie/ deathadder V3 pro / deathadder V3 hyperspeed / Vaxee

Basically any ergo mouse, ie. Deathadder v3 or v4. ZOWIE EC. There’s hundreds of good ergo mice out there.

not sure what you mean by 3 mode. but ergo mice like the EC series by zowie, death adder series, FK2-DW(ambi), Maya X(ambi), GPX Dex, but it entirely depends on your hand size and preferences

Zowie wireless ones go for triple the price of these . I used to have a zowie ec mouse back in 2014 to 2020 the right doesn't work anymore otherwise a brilliant mouse

No Zowie on the FPS list is kinda crazy to me. Zowie is BenQs mouse brand, it’s a no frills very high quality mouse. No software no firmware updates, 4 DPI presets. They are consistently the best FPS mice I’ve owned. On the flip side, Logi G600 is hands down the best MMO mouse, it actually promotes me to be so lazy with keybinds I find myself using it in games other than MMOs. Protip: the older Logi Gaming Software works way better than the newer LGS for the G600.

More like user issue to me. Some people out there are just bad and doesn’t take care of things. If you take care of something, It’ll take care of you. Stay away from Logitech and Steelseries. My glorious O is 5 years old now. I had my Benq Zowie for more than a decade and I still use it. Still have my Deathadder, Mamba, Spectre and Naga throughout the years. Zowie is always been my mouse and I bought one from 2022. I use my 10+ year old on my laptop.

BenQ Zowie has been great for me.