Zowie (BenQ) - FK1+-B WHITE V2

zowie b v2 series has really thick plastic walls, much thicker than the newer c or d series. or just regular b series but that's downgraded in a lot of ways. if u can find either of them new. there's also metal mice but the base is generally brittle plastic with honeycomb holes and quite easy to crack since the metal doesn't bend to give any structural leeway, if you drop it on the base it'll break even easier than a plastic mouse. g102/203 are ok too but outdated sensor wise. ironically the older g pro wired is better, especially the oldest 3366 variant (you can distinguish them via sticker shape on the bottom and cable). g305 is ok too but the clicks on mine went to shit after a while so i just use the g pro 3366 instead. the pro intellimouse also has some fans seems fairly well built, but i've never tried it.

Generally mice that are more open. The G502 and Basilisk thumb area is a bit cramped. I don't have thick fingers, but long ones and my thumbs are a bit wider at the tips than on most people. The EC1 shape is good for working because it's super relaxed. But I aim better with the FK1 XL shape, Viper and similar works great too - less comfortable though.

I have pretty gigantic hands (around 22x11.5), I've tried a lot of the biggest mice that are still relatively lightweight (ZA11, FK1+, Deathadder V3, Mountain Makalu 67, Glorious Model D), and none of them quite provide the seamless comfort I've looked for for my entire mouse journey. I'm now kind of in a mental battle where I'm doing playing a lot of valorant and doing aim training, but my aim is still lacking, and I'm wondering if I'm just not gifted at all, or if it has to do with the fact that no mouse is truly comfortable for me. Should I just try to DIY my own massive, light-ish mouse at this point? Or should I get one of those mice that's really big but also super heavy and hope it'll be okay for competitive fps? Or should I just git gud? All kinds of help and tips are appreciated. If a genie suddenly appeared in front of me and offered me anything right now, my wish would be a 60 gram, 140cm long G Pro Superlight, lmao. TLDR - I have big ass hands and need help

I've thought about that as well, the transition period just seems quite daunting, I feel like I've already wasted so much time trying so many mice and making small adjustments to my grip style, with no marked improvements in game comfort wise. On the other hand, fingertip probably is the one style that really does work for any handsize, plus I could then use wireless mice again (cause the biggest of the biggest mice are all zowie and wired). Maybe I'll go for it, if I don't get any more actionable suggestions under this post

I actually have one of those just sitting in the drawer. Didn't like the shape or how damn heavy it is lol I don't mind the weight of my Ec2-b or my Fk1+ which is 90gband 93g I think, but the m65 pro is like 115G I think with the weights and it has that heavy metal body. I'll probably end up giving it away or something Also have the G pro x superlight which is only like 60G. It's a good mouse, probably better for people with smaller or medium small hands The Zowie wired mice are great. Haven't tried the wireless though.. those are a bit expensive

you could either trying curling your index and middle finger or get a longer mouse, such as an fk1 or fk1+, or a big ergo mouse like deathadder v3, ec1, or pulsar xlite v3 large.

i have same hand size same grip, i tried superlight and it was too awkward feeling couldnt get a good grip, im currently on an ec2-c atm but i recently tried about 20 different mice and so far the xm2 8k - zowie fk2- zowie fk1+- and maya X were my favourite. mainable end game mouse would be Maya X and xm2 8k forsure. \*edit i forgot to mention the deathadder v3 wired that i own is extremely comfortable shape and suits this grip exceptionally well. my copy personally just had a mouse click issue but if it didnt i would probably be using it over the ec2-c atm

Zowie FK1+ has worked nicely for me. A few years ago, I looked up what a few of the tall csgo and league pros were using and found it through there.

how large are your hands? i have very large hands and i can claw the xm2 well enough and the zowie fk1+ also fits me pretty well

If it's longevity you're after, I've been on the Zowie FK1 since the collab with Neo (I'm thinking it was around 2014), and I still use it till this day. Still fully functional. I'm gonna guess that FK1 is not produced anymore, but maybe FK2 is.

Zowie baby. FK1 for me but they are all the same just for different size hands. 

Razer Copperhead - later IME3.0 and Zowie FK1 for years

if you're not afraid to go used, there are some great older wired mice like zowie b/c series, xm1's, vaxee etc.. floating around on mousemarket or ebay with probably better tech than those listed. it might take some more time but I'm sure people still have some wired mice kicking around in storage somewhere. edit: issue is mostly US only :(

looks pretty flat, closer to a zowie fk shape no?

Depends EC for ergonomic, fk for claw/fingertip, s/za/u for claw grip

No but similar the closest shape would be the be zowie fk

One of zowie fk series or za11

I bought the large zowie mouse and only used it for like 2 minutes. It was painfully narrow.

Can I ask what type of game? Just curious. I think the ULX is pretty good for this, but I sometimes feel like I sacrifice stability with it. Zowie FK/S/ZA series are all excellent shapes for wrist aimers, just a bit dated in tech compared to today. It would also help for you to tell us how your hand measures since the advice will vary greatly depending on this factor

Zowie mice are super well made and long lasting and they have buttons underneath to change DPI and polling, no software. The wireless mice aren't cheap though, you'll need to look at a wired version.

The wired zowie is better than all these 3. U will de dissapointed if u want it yo be ec2 level. What about Deathadder hyperspeed? that would be way better than all 3 and doesnt cost much more i think

non pro viper wireless, razer deathadder, i'd argue g305 lightspeed, xtrfy m42, wired zowie, superlight 1, glorious wired, some lgg mice, some vaxee mice, endgame gear op1k. All these are like 25-80€ if my quick currency version is right. Some of these are wireless too. Especially if you snipe a sale you can get a really good deal. in "top tier mice" I mean the ones that are basically the same shape as the "standards", superlight 2, viper v3 pro, deathadder v3 pro, etc. Obviously the tech is a bit worse, but we were hitting insane shots on mice 15+ years ago, even the worse mice are 100% good enough. 4k/8k polling doesnt change that much, and thats the major sell of the more expensive mice. I've managed to pick up qck+ for like 10€ on average the last few years, always on sale somewhere. Otherwise a sale on a lgg saturn (standard), zowie gsr (any version you prefer). Qck might not be the longest lasting, but it's usually on a good sale so you never really have to fork out more than AT MOST 40€ a year on it if you're really picky with pad and swap it 4x a year, but most ppl usually keep it for 6-24 months atleast.

No Zowie on the FPS list is kinda crazy to me. Zowie is BenQs mouse brand, it’s a no frills very high quality mouse. No software no firmware updates, 4 DPI presets. They are consistently the best FPS mice I’ve owned. On the flip side, Logi G600 is hands down the best MMO mouse, it actually promotes me to be so lazy with keybinds I find myself using it in games other than MMOs. Protip: the older Logi Gaming Software works way better than the newer LGS for the G600.

More like user issue to me. Some people out there are just bad and doesn’t take care of things. If you take care of something, It’ll take care of you. Stay away from Logitech and Steelseries. My glorious O is 5 years old now. I had my Benq Zowie for more than a decade and I still use it. Still have my Deathadder, Mamba, Spectre and Naga throughout the years. Zowie is always been my mouse and I bought one from 2022. I use my 10+ year old on my laptop.

BenQ Zowie has been great for me.