Try a Waizowl Cloud on Aliexpress.. Sellers are selling them for $40
I own ZA12-C, ZA13-C, S1-C, S2-C and OP18K
additionally a Intellimouse Pro.. - which gave me inspiration to checkout the Waizowl Cloud
The ZA12-C grip width is perfect for me - other mice are just a little to narrow like you described. The Waizowl Cloud is super comfortable and I aim well with it.
Checkout on eloshapes! - [https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=scyrox-v8-vs.-zowie-za13-c-vs.-zowie-za12-c-vs.-microsoft-pro-intellimouse-vs.-waizowl-ogm-cloud](https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=scyrox-v8-vs.-zowie-za13-c-vs.-zowie-za12-c-vs.-microsoft-pro-intellimouse-vs.-waizowl-ogm-cloud)
For aggressive / comfortable claw the ZA12-C is still my fav.. perfect grip width and super comfortable round rear hump. The Waizowl Cloud is another fav shape easily with as much research as I've done comparing back and forth.. The tech and weight for the $ is also pretty great - idc for 4/8k hz mice.
Overall I think Zowie felt more premium, but the white Viper V3 Pro coating feels really good + I prefer the lower weight and wireless tech. I haven't felt like going back to the S1-C since making the move.
I wasn't as much of a fan of the Viper's optical switches (ok at best) compared to mechanical switches, so I bought a hotswappable pcb from Aliexpress and use TTC golds. Other than that I use X-raypads jade dots instead of the stock mouse feet.
Razer synapse software hasn't bothered me much, I just set my settings and fully close out of it.
Tried it in the past and sadly didnt get on too well with it. Favourite shapes are xm1 and ironically the g305 haha ( the way it sits in my hand )
Shapes which i didn't really game with for a while but really liked was zowie s1/ microsoft wheel mouse optical they was stupidly comfortable for me.
I would defo take the zowie s1 out of the three, as much as I love large hump mice, I have realised it doesn't make so great for palm these days.
In my older age claw is not so great and comfy any more haha
Hi I'm looking for a new mouse. Currently using the zowie s1 as shown in the photos. It's been an amazing mouse overall for some cs2 but now looking for something wireless as I've always hated the wire even with a bungee and the only other gripe is I can't really use the front side button on this cause of my grip which I believe is a relaxed fingertip grip so if anyone has some recommendations I'd really appreciate it.
My hand size is 19.5 X 9 cm, relaxed fingertip, hand anchored for mostly wrist hand aiming. Had no luck trying to find something with the side buttons placed further back or if a better shape exists for the grip. If anyone has any ideas please let me know.
Hi yes it is! I think partly it's just to do with our personal dexterity and sometimes wonder if changing my setup mainly the height of my desk to be lower so that I'm no longer an achored wrist and maybe train using other grips it might work but I highly doubt I'd ever get the precision as it is now. I've come to the realisation that most mouse manufacturers will simply always try to cater more broadly and there's no going around that.
That said I do have an update, been using the zowie U2 for the past week and it's been pretty good overall. Definitely a big upgrade over the S1 and I trust it enough to use on faceit level 10 matches in cs2. Also have a fk2 and s2 clone here and I've only tested them lightly yet but the U2 seems to just feel better in the hand maybe it's the coating, shape, balance or all combined.
I was half expecting to instantly order a zowie s2 if the shape felt better but it seems not, the u2 might be the better option for me at the moment. The combination of thicker side buttons slightly closer to the back but I do still have change my whole grip to reach the top side button though not as bad as it was on the s1. Also the battery life is surprisingly good I always forget to put in the dedicated stand and it hasn't run out in like a week. The balance and general quality you just can't go wrong with zowie.
Can't argue with that I've had good experience when it comes to quality and durability with them and I do own one of there overpriced zowie xl27 monitors too it's pretty good for cs but terrible visually when compared to anything else. I'll have to look into replacing that at some point as I'm sure TN is obsolete at this point for pretty much everything including even the niche situations.
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