Try a Waizowl Cloud on Aliexpress.. Sellers are selling them for $40
I own ZA12-C, ZA13-C, S1-C, S2-C and OP18K
additionally a Intellimouse Pro.. - which gave me inspiration to checkout the Waizowl Cloud
The ZA12-C grip width is perfect for me - other mice are just a little to narrow like you described. The Waizowl Cloud is super comfortable and I aim well with it.
Checkout on eloshapes! - [https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=scyrox-v8-vs.-zowie-za13-c-vs.-zowie-za12-c-vs.-microsoft-pro-intellimouse-vs.-waizowl-ogm-cloud](https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=scyrox-v8-vs.-zowie-za13-c-vs.-zowie-za12-c-vs.-microsoft-pro-intellimouse-vs.-waizowl-ogm-cloud)
For aggressive / comfortable claw the ZA12-C is still my fav.. perfect grip width and super comfortable round rear hump. The Waizowl Cloud is another fav shape easily with as much research as I've done comparing back and forth.. The tech and weight for the $ is also pretty great - idc for 4/8k hz mice.
not really, the dw don't feel as nice with the clicks as the C line.
If you don't mind wires and weight and get lucky with the scroll wheel, I still like the S2-C.
Also it speaks volumes for a brand that used to be more popular, that only a single valorant pro currently uses a Zowie mouse.
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Zowie c series (ec3-c, za13-c, s2-c, fk2-c) these are all small mice of zowie and they're all high quality plus it uses an optical scroll wheel like the g502 hero
Check out mice with optical scroll wheel encoders it's usually has better longevity than mechanical encoders.
Mice with optical scroll wheel - zowie c series, g502x/basilisk v3, leviathan v4, keychron m6.
Check out the steelseries prime / prime mini wired the mini is lighter tho
Zowie c series mice - they're on 70+ weight but zowie discontinued it so chances are you're going to buy a second hand unit
Hi,
After 6 years of not gaming at all I'm making a casual comeback to fps gaming.
Im trying to find better replacement for my mouse Zowie S2 (first edition) which have double click, washed up skates.
Hand size: 18.5x11cm
Zowie S2 is good shape for me but at the beginning I've constantly changed my grip from princer/claw with wrist on mose to princer/fingertip with wrist on mousepad. My grip is available in photos.
Shape in overall feels safe and restricted but size of S2 for me feels perfect. I feel like shape is too safe and something is missing and sometimes i have hand cramps(maybe grip issue?)
History with previouse mices:
Deathadder Elite - I aim pretty well with it and old grip but it was too big and hurt my ring finger a lot which led me to constant grip change.
Zowie FK2 - The shape was amazing, low profile actually made me discover that I aim with symmetrical mouses the best but it felt too narrow and too long at the same time. Im still missing the shape.
Zowie EC2 - I thought it will be good after i liked Deathadder but it made me hate ergo mouses because i couldn't aim at all, something was off and forced me to palm grip which i don't.
Im putting shape over everyhing so im looking for perfect fit for my grip and size.
Update:
I ordered zowie za13-c for a test for 30$. I will create new post with results in next week.
Been thinking about this for weeks now and wanted to share my experience with everyone here
Started getting into gaming mice around late 2019 when ultralight trend was just beginning. Got my hands on original Zowie S2 as my second proper gaming mouse after some basic corsair one that wasn't really worth mentioning. Back in those days I was still pretty new to PC gaming but my aim was actually incredible - looking at old clips now I'm shocked at what I could hit with so little practice time
Then ultralight craze really exploded and I fell into same trap as everyone else. Started switching mice every few months chasing that perfect combination of weight and specs that everyone kept talking about. Went through superlight, viper mini, atlantis mini, and probably 12 other mice over next couple years because I convinced myself each new release would unlock better performance
Always been active reader in this sub and got caught up in all discussions about MCU types, polling rates, and weight specs. Bought into hype completely - had WLmouse beast, pwnage stuff, pulsar variations, ATK models, gwolves lineup, you name it. My gameplay definitely improved during this period and even reached high ranks in valorant where I play against actual pro players sometimes
But here's the weird part - despite getting objectively better at games, I never felt comfortable with my aim anymore. Always second-guessing my mouse choice and wondering if different specs would help
Recently decided to try my old S2-DW again and everything clicked back to place. My confidence returned immediately and aim feels natural again like it did in beginning. Made me realize all that weight obsession and spec chasing was just mental noise
Sometimes going back to what worked originally is better than constantly hunting for next big thing
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