Zowie (BenQ) - ZA11-C

X2h is much more filling in your palm than the maya x and gpx. Maybe you need something like za 12 or za 11 even

I gave up on claw or palm grip mice because none were big enough, I’ve tried them all (EC-1, G403, ZA-11 and more) Had to move to small fingertip mice.

21x11cm. I can’t claw my G403, ZA-11, EC-1, or pulsar xlite large (all the largest mice on the market) without my fingers going way past the scroll wheel almost hanging off the front, and the thumb going way past the side buttons. My XM2 feels minuscule to try and claw especially with the tapered in sides. Thus I have to fingertip grip.

Am I crazy? My EC-1 feels worlds smaller than my waizowl cloud, ZA-11, and Pulsar X3. The hump is so far forward I don’t get how people rest their hand on it without hanging their fingers off the front.

Waizowl cloud, pulsar xlite large, zowie za 11, those my favorite (up to date) bigger mice shapes

here some of the biggest mice, za11, waizowl cloud, pulsar xlite large, when i see your grup it looks like your palm actually rest on the mousepad, you could have a decent grip on the xlite large

tried all mice above, dont recommend stuff i've havent tried, za11 schould be more filling your hand so yea could say its bigger, they both same in lenght but za11 has a huge hump

i also like this grip and tried the biggest mice out there, your best choices if you dont wanna Adapter your grip would be like waizowl cloud, zowie za 11 c, za 11c fills your Hand almost completly prob(my Hand size 20x10cm) waizowl cloud is a bit overhanging but still works great with it, tried like every big shape out there imo ergos are not build for this with deathadder v3 or pulsar xlite v3 large i dont get a comfy grip with this hand grip, the best mouse shape i tried for this grip was steelseries rival 300 but i dont recommend that one, the mouse doesnt get Produce anymore and they like 10-12years old at this point, you can tell when you use it, its pretty outdated

Zowie c series or endgame gear for a quality and durable mouse

Buy zowie c series mouse or the endgame gear xm2 8k

Xm2 8k, dav3 wired, zowie c series

XM2 8k Zowie c series (EC, s, fk, za)

Depends EC for ergonomic, fk for claw/fingertip, s/za/u for claw grip

Hyperx - haste 2 wired, pulse fire saga wired Razer - deathadder V3 Zowie - c generation mice (EC, fk, s, za)

They are loud but have a durable scroll wheel

Za11-c and xm2 8k if cable is not an issue

Shape, size, wired (c wired version) and wireless (cw and dw are wireless dw being the latest wireless mice of zowie) u2-dw is a medium size Ambi mouse so I would suggest the s1-c or za11-c

It's usually a claw/fingetip grip for big hands because there's very few large gaming mice available.  Question is if you want your palm on the mouse because a Zowie ZA11(129mm length) might work. Its hump is located at the rear. The EC1's hump is in the middle. You might be able to use a claw-palm grip with these mice. 

Mice are their own rabbit hole. It all depends on your grip style, hand size and budget. I have a Zowie ZA11 that was modded to be wireless with Razer Viper V2 guts. I love the shape because it’s symmetrical with a large center hump. It fits well in my 20x11 hands.

Zowie mice clicks from lightest to heaviest: ec > za > s > fk I've owned them all before they were wireless and I've owned the entire current wireless collection. Specifically the FK2 has the heaviest clicks in the entire lineup and the EC1 has the lightest. I don't know what kind of FK2 this guy got but it's a unicorn. I've owned like 4 different copies of FK2 over the years and it's always heavy clicks.

I bought the large zowie mouse and only used it for like 2 minutes. It was painfully narrow.

i personally dont like the xm2we(which has the same shape as xm1r) but solely due to the shape, other than that it is a good mouse. depends on what kind of shape you want for your mouse. if you want a safe option, or a mouse with a shape that can accomodate for multiple gripstyles and handsizes, there are many g pro superlight clones that are bascially just as good, such as mchose a7 pro or incott g23 (there are many others). zowie also still sells their wired c-series mice too which are also great options. you could also find some good deals for used options. I personally use the deathadder v3 wired.

Can I ask what type of game? Just curious. I think the ULX is pretty good for this, but I sometimes feel like I sacrifice stability with it. Zowie FK/S/ZA series are all excellent shapes for wrist aimers, just a bit dated in tech compared to today. It would also help for you to tell us how your hand measures since the advice will vary greatly depending on this factor

I have a BenQ Zowie wired mouse, and it’s amazing. No frills, high quality.

Zowie mice are super well made and long lasting and they have buttons underneath to change DPI and polling, no software. The wireless mice aren't cheap though, you'll need to look at a wired version.

The wired zowie is better than all these 3. U will de dissapointed if u want it yo be ec2 level. What about Deathadder hyperspeed? that would be way better than all 3 and doesnt cost much more i think

non pro viper wireless, razer deathadder, i'd argue g305 lightspeed, xtrfy m42, wired zowie, superlight 1, glorious wired, some lgg mice, some vaxee mice, endgame gear op1k. All these are like 25-80€ if my quick currency version is right. Some of these are wireless too. Especially if you snipe a sale you can get a really good deal. in "top tier mice" I mean the ones that are basically the same shape as the "standards", superlight 2, viper v3 pro, deathadder v3 pro, etc. Obviously the tech is a bit worse, but we were hitting insane shots on mice 15+ years ago, even the worse mice are 100% good enough. 4k/8k polling doesnt change that much, and thats the major sell of the more expensive mice. I've managed to pick up qck+ for like 10€ on average the last few years, always on sale somewhere. Otherwise a sale on a lgg saturn (standard), zowie gsr (any version you prefer). Qck might not be the longest lasting, but it's usually on a good sale so you never really have to fork out more than AT MOST 40€ a year on it if you're really picky with pad and swap it 4x a year, but most ppl usually keep it for 6-24 months atleast.

No Zowie on the FPS list is kinda crazy to me. Zowie is BenQs mouse brand, it’s a no frills very high quality mouse. No software no firmware updates, 4 DPI presets. They are consistently the best FPS mice I’ve owned. On the flip side, Logi G600 is hands down the best MMO mouse, it actually promotes me to be so lazy with keybinds I find myself using it in games other than MMOs. Protip: the older Logi Gaming Software works way better than the newer LGS for the G600.

More like user issue to me. Some people out there are just bad and doesn’t take care of things. If you take care of something, It’ll take care of you. Stay away from Logitech and Steelseries. My glorious O is 5 years old now. I had my Benq Zowie for more than a decade and I still use it. Still have my Deathadder, Mamba, Spectre and Naga throughout the years. Zowie is always been my mouse and I bought one from 2022. I use my 10+ year old on my laptop.

BenQ Zowie has been great for me.