Zowie (BenQ) - ZA12-B

I've had the same experience with the outward tapering of ergo mice, I hate how they feel like they're going to slip when picked up. Which is why I ended up with the symmetric ZA12. But it isn't curved like the g305.

I personally use zowie za12. I recommend it if you play claw and relaxed claw . Btw the 12 is the medium size . 13 small and 11 big .

za...12 or what that is on the screenshot? probably your best bet and if you wanna get a new one, can \*highly\* recommend the xm2, 8k or 4kw depending on your budget

X2h is much more filling in your palm than the maya x and gpx. Maybe you need something like za 12 or za 11 even

I had a look EloShapes, the hump profile is similar to the Zowie ZA13 with the side-width of ZA12. (the sides matches perfectly with the ZA12 actually). Set the alignment in Eloshapes to "bottom-centre" and you can see it's 1-to-1 with the ZA12.

Hmm the shape is more similar to the ZA12/ZA13 on Eloshapes.

Closest shape would be the ZA12/ZA13, but a lot heavier.

Zowie mice are super well made and long lasting and they have buttons underneath to change DPI and polling, no software. The wireless mice aren't cheap though, you'll need to look at a wired version.

To be fair ZA13 might be a good contender too, I've tried ZA12 before and it's very high right in the back, it sits right into the back of your hand so it might be a good choice

The wired zowie is better than all these 3. U will de dissapointed if u want it yo be ec2 level. What about Deathadder hyperspeed? that would be way better than all 3 and doesnt cost much more i think

Bro, everything is good for palm. I never seen a mouse i cant palm, even the g303 i palmed lol. 0 discomfort, even palm the gwolves mini mice (18/10 hands). My fav shapes were za12 ec2 mx518

Same here although soon after I got a zowie za12

Have you tried the Zowie ZA12? I’ve been looking for a replacement for a while but haven’t found anything I really like. I’m currently using the ZA13, but it feels just a bit too small 🙂

zowie b v2 series has really thick plastic walls, much thicker than the newer c or d series. or just regular b series but that's downgraded in a lot of ways. if u can find either of them new. there's also metal mice but the base is generally brittle plastic with honeycomb holes and quite easy to crack since the metal doesn't bend to give any structural leeway, if you drop it on the base it'll break even easier than a plastic mouse. g102/203 are ok too but outdated sensor wise. ironically the older g pro wired is better, especially the oldest 3366 variant (you can distinguish them via sticker shape on the bottom and cable). g305 is ok too but the clicks on mine went to shit after a while so i just use the g pro 3366 instead. the pro intellimouse also has some fans seems fairly well built, but i've never tried it.

Zowie mice clicks from lightest to heaviest: ec > za > s > fk I've owned them all before they were wireless and I've owned the entire current wireless collection. Specifically the FK2 has the heaviest clicks in the entire lineup and the EC1 has the lightest. I don't know what kind of FK2 this guy got but it's a unicorn. I've owned like 4 different copies of FK2 over the years and it's always heavy clicks.

Depends EC for ergonomic, fk for claw/fingertip, s/za/u for claw grip

Can I ask what type of game? Just curious. I think the ULX is pretty good for this, but I sometimes feel like I sacrifice stability with it. Zowie FK/S/ZA series are all excellent shapes for wrist aimers, just a bit dated in tech compared to today. It would also help for you to tell us how your hand measures since the advice will vary greatly depending on this factor

I have a BenQ Zowie wired mouse, and it’s amazing. No frills, high quality.

non pro viper wireless, razer deathadder, i'd argue g305 lightspeed, xtrfy m42, wired zowie, superlight 1, glorious wired, some lgg mice, some vaxee mice, endgame gear op1k. All these are like 25-80€ if my quick currency version is right. Some of these are wireless too. Especially if you snipe a sale you can get a really good deal. in "top tier mice" I mean the ones that are basically the same shape as the "standards", superlight 2, viper v3 pro, deathadder v3 pro, etc. Obviously the tech is a bit worse, but we were hitting insane shots on mice 15+ years ago, even the worse mice are 100% good enough. 4k/8k polling doesnt change that much, and thats the major sell of the more expensive mice. I've managed to pick up qck+ for like 10€ on average the last few years, always on sale somewhere. Otherwise a sale on a lgg saturn (standard), zowie gsr (any version you prefer). Qck might not be the longest lasting, but it's usually on a good sale so you never really have to fork out more than AT MOST 40€ a year on it if you're really picky with pad and swap it 4x a year, but most ppl usually keep it for 6-24 months atleast.

No Zowie on the FPS list is kinda crazy to me. Zowie is BenQs mouse brand, it’s a no frills very high quality mouse. No software no firmware updates, 4 DPI presets. They are consistently the best FPS mice I’ve owned. On the flip side, Logi G600 is hands down the best MMO mouse, it actually promotes me to be so lazy with keybinds I find myself using it in games other than MMOs. Protip: the older Logi Gaming Software works way better than the newer LGS for the G600.

More like user issue to me. Some people out there are just bad and doesn’t take care of things. If you take care of something, It’ll take care of you. Stay away from Logitech and Steelseries. My glorious O is 5 years old now. I had my Benq Zowie for more than a decade and I still use it. Still have my Deathadder, Mamba, Spectre and Naga throughout the years. Zowie is always been my mouse and I bought one from 2022. I use my 10+ year old on my laptop.

BenQ Zowie has been great for me.