Zowie (BenQ) - ZA12-C

Shape, build, coating, clicks, and scroll are all that matter to me now. I don't mind 60-70g mice. Actually, I find them to be the best balance for control pads and precision in CS2 with my 18.5x10cm hands. Currently, I'm using the ZA12-C, but I'm interested in trying the Zowie U2-DW for better tracking in heavier FPS games like *The Finals*. That said, the ZA12-C will probably remain my pick for CS2 and *Valorant* for a while. The unique hump in the claw grip space makes it stand out. I also no longer believe that a single mouse or mousepad fits all types of games. Each peripheral is game-dependent. For example, I use a Raiden XL Soft for heavy tracking FPS and an EspTiger Tang Dao X for CS2 and *Valorant*. Mousepads can make a huge difference depending on the game you're playing, and having the right one for the right scenario is just as important as the mouse itself. I don’t think I’ll use the ZA12-C for heavy tracking FPS forever. It fits my hand nearly perfectly, but I struggle in some tracking scenarios, which is why I’m really interested in the Zowie U2. I understand the market has been leaning toward lighter and lighter weights, but in my opinion, it's just not going to make a player much better than they can already achieve. Maybe with very small mice, it can make a difference, but for larger shapes, we've definitely reached the peak. You could say we've reached peak in both areas now, depending on how you view it.

Try a Waizowl Cloud on Aliexpress.. Sellers are selling them for $40 I own ZA12-C, ZA13-C, S1-C, S2-C and OP18K additionally a Intellimouse Pro.. - which gave me inspiration to checkout the Waizowl Cloud The ZA12-C grip width is perfect for me - other mice are just a little to narrow like you described. The Waizowl Cloud is super comfortable and I aim well with it. Checkout on eloshapes! - [https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=scyrox-v8-vs.-zowie-za13-c-vs.-zowie-za12-c-vs.-microsoft-pro-intellimouse-vs.-waizowl-ogm-cloud](https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=scyrox-v8-vs.-zowie-za13-c-vs.-zowie-za12-c-vs.-microsoft-pro-intellimouse-vs.-waizowl-ogm-cloud) For aggressive / comfortable claw the ZA12-C is still my fav.. perfect grip width and super comfortable round rear hump. The Waizowl Cloud is another fav shape easily with as much research as I've done comparing back and forth.. The tech and weight for the $ is also pretty great - idc for 4/8k hz mice.

might be my new main hopefully. was trying to look for a za12-c with its knuckle contact but a little more filling in the palm just so it feels more secure in the hand

i personally dont like the xm2we(which has the same shape as xm1r) but solely due to the shape, other than that it is a good mouse. depends on what kind of shape you want for your mouse. if you want a safe option, or a mouse with a shape that can accomodate for multiple gripstyles and handsizes, there are many g pro superlight clones that are bascially just as good, such as mchose a7 pro or incott g23 (there are many others). zowie also still sells their wired c-series mice too which are also great options. you could also find some good deals for used options. I personally use the deathadder v3 wired.

I've had the same experience with the outward tapering of ergo mice, I hate how they feel like they're going to slip when picked up. Which is why I ended up with the symmetric ZA12. But it isn't curved like the g305.

I personally use zowie za12. I recommend it if you play claw and relaxed claw . Btw the 12 is the medium size . 13 small and 11 big .

Right, yeah. Will definitely give the ZA12 (and ZA11) a go for this. I'm trying it out rn and it feels decent, need more deathmatches though. Thanks!

za...12 or what that is on the screenshot? probably your best bet and if you wanna get a new one, can \*highly\* recommend the xm2, 8k or 4kw depending on your budget

X2h is much more filling in your palm than the maya x and gpx. Maybe you need something like za 12 or za 11 even

I had a look EloShapes, the hump profile is similar to the Zowie ZA13 with the side-width of ZA12. (the sides matches perfectly with the ZA12 actually). Set the alignment in Eloshapes to "bottom-centre" and you can see it's 1-to-1 with the ZA12.

Hmm the shape is more similar to the ZA12/ZA13 on Eloshapes.

Closest shape would be the ZA12/ZA13, but a lot heavier.

Zowie mice are super well made and long lasting and they have buttons underneath to change DPI and polling, no software. The wireless mice aren't cheap though, you'll need to look at a wired version.

To be fair ZA13 might be a good contender too, I've tried ZA12 before and it's very high right in the back, it sits right into the back of your hand so it might be a good choice

What does small mean ? Flat or less wide ? U probably having problem with it being flat. Mod the hump with grip tape layers to make it taller Taller back hump mice should be best for u if u want big or bulky mouse to have palm contact Suggest u the za13 or za12 by zowie or pulsar x2h I have 21x10 hands and I modify my mice with tapes for taller hump and I perform better that way as low tension grip. My hand cramps with mice otherwise. Making any mouse taller makes it feel instantly better. U cud also made the back flare wider of ergo mice with tape. Making mouse tall generally fizes stuff. Mouse these days also come with rounded grip pieces to apply on top of the shell. My atk x1 (vv3 clone) did U can look at my previous posts. Za13 za12 n x2h r best for this.