Zowie (BenQ) - ZA12-C

Shape, build, coating, clicks, and scroll are all that matter to me now. I don't mind 60-70g mice. Actually, I find them to be the best balance for control pads and precision in CS2 with my 18.5x10cm hands. Currently, I'm using the ZA12-C, but I'm interested in trying the Zowie U2-DW for better tracking in heavier FPS games like *The Finals*. That said, the ZA12-C will probably remain my pick for CS2 and *Valorant* for a while. The unique hump in the claw grip space makes it stand out. I also no longer believe that a single mouse or mousepad fits all types of games. Each peripheral is game-dependent. For example, I use a Raiden XL Soft for heavy tracking FPS and an EspTiger Tang Dao X for CS2 and *Valorant*. Mousepads can make a huge difference depending on the game you're playing, and having the right one for the right scenario is just as important as the mouse itself. I don’t think I’ll use the ZA12-C for heavy tracking FPS forever. It fits my hand nearly perfectly, but I struggle in some tracking scenarios, which is why I’m really interested in the Zowie U2. I understand the market has been leaning toward lighter and lighter weights, but in my opinion, it's just not going to make a player much better than they can already achieve. Maybe with very small mice, it can make a difference, but for larger shapes, we've definitely reached the peak. You could say we've reached peak in both areas now, depending on how you view it.

Try a Waizowl Cloud on Aliexpress.. Sellers are selling them for $40 I own ZA12-C, ZA13-C, S1-C, S2-C and OP18K additionally a Intellimouse Pro.. - which gave me inspiration to checkout the Waizowl Cloud The ZA12-C grip width is perfect for me - other mice are just a little to narrow like you described. The Waizowl Cloud is super comfortable and I aim well with it. Checkout on eloshapes! - [https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=scyrox-v8-vs.-zowie-za13-c-vs.-zowie-za12-c-vs.-microsoft-pro-intellimouse-vs.-waizowl-ogm-cloud](https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=scyrox-v8-vs.-zowie-za13-c-vs.-zowie-za12-c-vs.-microsoft-pro-intellimouse-vs.-waizowl-ogm-cloud) For aggressive / comfortable claw the ZA12-C is still my fav.. perfect grip width and super comfortable round rear hump. The Waizowl Cloud is another fav shape easily with as much research as I've done comparing back and forth.. The tech and weight for the $ is also pretty great - idc for 4/8k hz mice.

Choose by size first of all. I have somewhat bigger hands (or long fingers rather) at 20cm, and I've tried well over 30 mice. Anything under 124-125mm length is too small for me, 125-130 is good for palm/hybrid grip. \- Zowie ZA12-C or anything else from C-series (with reduced weight) or their wireless mice. \- G Pro X Superlight 1/2 is a very safe choice in both shape and sturdiness \- Razer Deathadder V3/Pro is a decent ergo shape. Delux M900 / M900 Pro is a great clone of it

might be my new main hopefully. was trying to look for a za12-c with its knuckle contact but a little more filling in the palm just so it feels more secure in the hand

i personally dont like the xm2we(which has the same shape as xm1r) but solely due to the shape, other than that it is a good mouse. depends on what kind of shape you want for your mouse. if you want a safe option, or a mouse with a shape that can accomodate for multiple gripstyles and handsizes, there are many g pro superlight clones that are bascially just as good, such as mchose a7 pro or incott g23 (there are many others). zowie also still sells their wired c-series mice too which are also great options. you could also find some good deals for used options. I personally use the deathadder v3 wired.

I've had the same experience with the outward tapering of ergo mice, I hate how they feel like they're going to slip when picked up. Which is why I ended up with the symmetric ZA12. But it isn't curved like the g305.

I personally use zowie za12. I recommend it if you play claw and relaxed claw . Btw the 12 is the medium size . 13 small and 11 big .

za...12 or what that is on the screenshot? probably your best bet and if you wanna get a new one, can \*highly\* recommend the xm2, 8k or 4kw depending on your budget

X2h is much more filling in your palm than the maya x and gpx. Maybe you need something like za 12 or za 11 even

I had a look EloShapes, the hump profile is similar to the Zowie ZA13 with the side-width of ZA12. (the sides matches perfectly with the ZA12 actually). Set the alignment in Eloshapes to "bottom-centre" and you can see it's 1-to-1 with the ZA12.

Hmm the shape is more similar to the ZA12/ZA13 on Eloshapes.

Closest shape would be the ZA12/ZA13, but a lot heavier.

Zowie mice are super well made and long lasting and they have buttons underneath to change DPI and polling, no software. The wireless mice aren't cheap though, you'll need to look at a wired version.

To be fair ZA13 might be a good contender too, I've tried ZA12 before and it's very high right in the back, it sits right into the back of your hand so it might be a good choice

The wired zowie is better than all these 3. U will de dissapointed if u want it yo be ec2 level. What about Deathadder hyperspeed? that would be way better than all 3 and doesnt cost much more i think

Bro, everything is good for palm. I never seen a mouse i cant palm, even the g303 i palmed lol. 0 discomfort, even palm the gwolves mini mice (18/10 hands). My fav shapes were za12 ec2 mx518

Same here although soon after I got a zowie za12

Have you tried the Zowie ZA12? I’ve been looking for a replacement for a while but haven’t found anything I really like. I’m currently using the ZA13, but it feels just a bit too small 🙂

Since you don't have a preference get a zowie mouse c version for wired cw or the dw version, zowie mice have good durability. Or check out the op18k and XM2 8k

Depends EC for ergonomic, fk for claw/fingertip, s/za/u for claw grip

Hyperx - haste 2 wired, pulse fire saga wired Razer - deathadder V3 Zowie - c generation mice (EC, fk, s, za)

if you're not afraid to go used, there are some great older wired mice like zowie b/c series, xm1's, vaxee etc.. floating around on mousemarket or ebay with probably better tech than those listed. it might take some more time but I'm sure people still have some wired mice kicking around in storage somewhere. edit: issue is mostly US only :(

Can I ask what type of game? Just curious. I think the ULX is pretty good for this, but I sometimes feel like I sacrifice stability with it. Zowie FK/S/ZA series are all excellent shapes for wrist aimers, just a bit dated in tech compared to today. It would also help for you to tell us how your hand measures since the advice will vary greatly depending on this factor

I have a BenQ Zowie wired mouse, and it’s amazing. No frills, high quality.

non pro viper wireless, razer deathadder, i'd argue g305 lightspeed, xtrfy m42, wired zowie, superlight 1, glorious wired, some lgg mice, some vaxee mice, endgame gear op1k. All these are like 25-80€ if my quick currency version is right. Some of these are wireless too. Especially if you snipe a sale you can get a really good deal. in "top tier mice" I mean the ones that are basically the same shape as the "standards", superlight 2, viper v3 pro, deathadder v3 pro, etc. Obviously the tech is a bit worse, but we were hitting insane shots on mice 15+ years ago, even the worse mice are 100% good enough. 4k/8k polling doesnt change that much, and thats the major sell of the more expensive mice. I've managed to pick up qck+ for like 10€ on average the last few years, always on sale somewhere. Otherwise a sale on a lgg saturn (standard), zowie gsr (any version you prefer). Qck might not be the longest lasting, but it's usually on a good sale so you never really have to fork out more than AT MOST 40€ a year on it if you're really picky with pad and swap it 4x a year, but most ppl usually keep it for 6-24 months atleast.

No Zowie on the FPS list is kinda crazy to me. Zowie is BenQs mouse brand, it’s a no frills very high quality mouse. No software no firmware updates, 4 DPI presets. They are consistently the best FPS mice I’ve owned. On the flip side, Logi G600 is hands down the best MMO mouse, it actually promotes me to be so lazy with keybinds I find myself using it in games other than MMOs. Protip: the older Logi Gaming Software works way better than the newer LGS for the G600.

More like user issue to me. Some people out there are just bad and doesn’t take care of things. If you take care of something, It’ll take care of you. Stay away from Logitech and Steelseries. My glorious O is 5 years old now. I had my Benq Zowie for more than a decade and I still use it. Still have my Deathadder, Mamba, Spectre and Naga throughout the years. Zowie is always been my mouse and I bought one from 2022. I use my 10+ year old on my laptop.

BenQ Zowie has been great for me.