ZA12-C

Try a Waizowl Cloud on Aliexpress.. Sellers are selling them for $40 I own ZA12-C, ZA13-C, S1-C, S2-C and OP18K additionally a Intellimouse Pro.. - which gave me inspiration to checkout the Waizowl Cloud The ZA12-C grip width is perfect for me - other mice are just a little to narrow like you described. The Waizowl Cloud is super comfortable and I aim well with it. Checkout on eloshapes! - [https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=scyrox-v8-vs.-zowie-za13-c-vs.-zowie-za12-c-vs.-microsoft-pro-intellimouse-vs.-waizowl-ogm-cloud](https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=scyrox-v8-vs.-zowie-za13-c-vs.-zowie-za12-c-vs.-microsoft-pro-intellimouse-vs.-waizowl-ogm-cloud) For aggressive / comfortable claw the ZA12-C is still my fav.. perfect grip width and super comfortable round rear hump. The Waizowl Cloud is another fav shape easily with as much research as I've done comparing back and forth.. The tech and weight for the $ is also pretty great - idc for 4/8k hz mice.

Hello everyone, this is my first post here. * Hand size: 19.2x10.5 cm * Grip style: Claw grip (photo attached) * Currently using: First mouse: Zowie ZA12-C Second mouse: VXE R1 Pro (photos attached) * ZA12-C: 125×65×41 mm / 70g * VXE R1 Pro: 121×64×38 mm / 48g The ZA12-C feels very stable for aiming because of the high hump that fills my palm well. On the other hand, the R1 Pro feels small, so I end up aiming with almost no palm contact, which feels less stable and harder to control. Even when I try to force palm contact, only the lower part of my palm touches the mouse because the hump is too low, and it feels a bit awkward. Because of that, I feel like I want something around 125 mm in length with at least 40 mm of height. I don't really care whether the hump is more centered or rear-focused. I do like how light the R1 Pro feels though, while the ZA12-C gets tiring during long sessions because of the weight. I think somewhere around 45-55g would probably be ideal for me, but I could still tolerate around 60g. As for width, the ZA12-C actually feels much narrower in hand because of the aggressive curves, even though I measured the grip width at about 54 mm on the ZA12-C and about 58 mm on the R1 Pro. Still, width is not a huge concern for me compared to the length and height. My only mandatory requirements are a symmetrical shape and wireless connectivity. Budget is not really a concern right now, so feel free to recommend anything. Some mice I'm already interested in are the Logitech G Pro X Superlight and the Razer Viper V3 Pro since they seem like the standard safe picks. I'm also considering some clone mice like the ATK A9 Air or the ATK X1 V2 Ultimate because they’re lightweight and seem to have great battery life. I mainly play Valorant at: 0.17 sens / 800 DPI (136 eDPI) Thanks for reading, and I appreciate any recommendations or advice! https://preview.redd.it/y0dk75fobe1h1.jpg?width=1774&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f2d972f44a4978b698e4e834d8ca7d76459e51af https://preview.redd.it/o4malxirbe1h1.jpg?width=1774&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=56872310d9f950d991dab943d08cf08d59ea3bd0 https://preview.redd.it/byd6hk9tbe1h1.jpg?width=1774&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f16210fca413f651d06f9d918bb046ed245142c https://preview.redd.it/m71531ntbe1h1.jpg?width=1774&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9711872b11cd4012e3b198ee13ce6aba0e661f5c https://preview.redd.it/zfwd28fube1h1.png?width=1395&format=png&auto=webp&s=0a083c9ac9cde74d0e93d87e6b8bc60985851719

I've had the same experience with the outward tapering of ergo mice, I hate how they feel like they're going to slip when picked up. Which is why I ended up with the symmetric ZA12. But it isn't curved like the g305.

Right, yeah. Will definitely give the ZA12 (and ZA11) a go for this. I'm trying it out rn and it feels decent, need more deathmatches though. Thanks!

To be fair ZA13 might be a good contender too, I've tried ZA12 before and it's very high right in the back, it sits right into the back of your hand so it might be a good choice