Zowie (BenQ) - ZA13-C

Try a Waizowl Cloud on Aliexpress.. Sellers are selling them for $40 I own ZA12-C, ZA13-C, S1-C, S2-C and OP18K additionally a Intellimouse Pro.. - which gave me inspiration to checkout the Waizowl Cloud The ZA12-C grip width is perfect for me - other mice are just a little to narrow like you described. The Waizowl Cloud is super comfortable and I aim well with it. Checkout on eloshapes! - [https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=scyrox-v8-vs.-zowie-za13-c-vs.-zowie-za12-c-vs.-microsoft-pro-intellimouse-vs.-waizowl-ogm-cloud](https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=scyrox-v8-vs.-zowie-za13-c-vs.-zowie-za12-c-vs.-microsoft-pro-intellimouse-vs.-waizowl-ogm-cloud) For aggressive / comfortable claw the ZA12-C is still my fav.. perfect grip width and super comfortable round rear hump. The Waizowl Cloud is another fav shape easily with as much research as I've done comparing back and forth.. The tech and weight for the $ is also pretty great - idc for 4/8k hz mice.

GPX. I am by no means a mouse collector but out of all the mice I have tried, I feel I play the best on it. In fact, I no longer care about mice now that I have a GPX tbh. My 2nd place would be the ZA13-C, but after getting the GPX I found that the huge hump on the ZA13-C was less comfortable. Also, the really low button height on the ZA13-C left me much less room for my fingers on the side of the mouse, as I like to extend them towards the front of the mouse. The weight and the freedom of wireless also helps a whole lot.

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XM2 8k Zowie c series (EC, s, fk, za)

Za13-c is tall at the back up to mid then goes low aggressively because of the low button height the tallest point of the hump is slightly on the middle

Depends EC for ergonomic, fk for claw/fingertip, s/za/u for claw grip

Eh, no. X2h is closer to a za13c or an lgg LA-1 Eloshapes isn't going to show you all of the details. It's a great tool, but you will miss things like side depth, for example. You must also consider how they're aligned, as the website isn't perfect. Dont take it at face value unless you're considering what it DOESN'T show along with what it DOES Also, I hope you're giving new mice more than just a few hours. It can take some time to adjust to the nuanced features one mouse has that another doesn't. All of my mice are similar in many ways, but offer different performance depending on what I'm playing. I prefer rearward humps and forward sensors. Give yourself time to adjust, and don't get in your head about it during that adjustment time period.

Any XM1 variant they're all the same, ZA13, which I use now and is my main, I aggressive knuckle claw with about the same hand size and I have very much enjoyed using both mice, anything with a rear hump and thin grip width has been very preferable for me.

Thank you, your comments are very valuable. I think i will make my decision in 2days but I decided i will try Zowie za13/Lamzu Inca(clone of za13) because big hump would release the tension from my hand rather than looking for wider/narrower mouse. Back palm support also would make my aim more consisent. 1. Zowie ZA13/Lamzu Inca 2. Zowie U2 3. Back to Zowie fk2 because i miss the feeling I can send back mouse in 14days so i will try because za13 could help me a lot with my tension in hand.

Okey. I decided before I make an order. I will go to the shop and check for deathadder. I want to be sure that I’m done with ergo for good.  But I decided that first order will be endgame xm2 4K because it’s slightly bigger than s2 and same shape. It will fill my palm more which is what I need exactly. I experimented with grip and looks I can hold relaxed claw touching palm to my wrist but I need something slightly bigger than zowie s2 . Zowie za13 feels smaller than s2 which I can’t handle. 

Same grip and \~same hand size, started gaming long time ago with the first G502.. then when Logitech made G PRO (G305) shape.. I got the Prodigy one, G203 and used that for a long time. Looking for a lighter replacement I tried: \- XM1 (good shape, great coating, but slightly large, back hump too big, definitely worth trying) \- OP1 (way to narrow, not for me) \- All the Zowies, ended up using for a short time EC-3 (issue: no micro adjustments), ZA-13 (back hump too high) \- GPX 2.. not bad but for some reason can't find a good grip... also, slippery, sold. I'll try the smaller 2 C \- G303 SE, great if it wasn't so big (still use it regularly at work) but G305 has better shape. \- MZ1 awesome.. just unreliable and a liiiiitle bit too small. \- Viper Mini = No! \- G403 that hump's huge. Now trying Mchose L7 Ultra and G3 Ultra... You (me also) want a mouse small enough that let you do micro adjustments with your fingers, it also must have some support where that small palm part touch it. G305 is great at this because you can freely move the mouse, that slightly tilted sides let fingers grab it easily, and when you press it against your palm you have enough support. If I have to pick a mouse right now for the next years, shapewise G305.. Can't understand why Logitech have not yet released a superlight version and is milking with no end the GPX shape.. Think about not buying a mouse because a pro use it but buy it if it suits you, that's what counts.

I had a look EloShapes, the hump profile is similar to the Zowie ZA13 with the side-width of ZA12. (the sides matches perfectly with the ZA12 actually). Set the alignment in Eloshapes to "bottom-centre" and you can see it's 1-to-1 with the ZA12.

Hmm the shape is more similar to the ZA12/ZA13 on Eloshapes.

Closest shape would be the ZA12/ZA13, but a lot heavier.

Much like other people have said, zowie would be your best bet. Optical scroll wheel (albeit noisy), and huano black shell blue dots and tank like shell. I've fetched a zowie Za13 from a junkyard with cut cables. The thing must have been in the yard for a long while as the screws were rusted shut, I needed screw extractors to get it out. Cleaned inside, and thoroughly outside, replaced the cable and the switches, and it was working smoothly again.

What does small mean ? Flat or less wide ? U probably having problem with it being flat. Mod the hump with grip tape layers to make it taller Taller back hump mice should be best for u if u want big or bulky mouse to have palm contact Suggest u the za13 or za12 by zowie or pulsar x2h I have 21x10 hands and I modify my mice with tapes for taller hump and I perform better that way as low tension grip. My hand cramps with mice otherwise. Making any mouse taller makes it feel instantly better. U cud also made the back flare wider of ergo mice with tape. Making mouse tall generally fizes stuff. Mouse these days also come with rounded grip pieces to apply on top of the shell. My atk x1 (vv3 clone) did U can look at my previous posts. Za13 za12 n x2h r best for this.

Layering works great. I use double tape layers as they r cheap n easy to experiment with. U can use lightweight clay too (mel0nfps made a video demonstrating g wolves light weight clay) and struth gaming made one for double foamtape mod https://youtu.be/wwvCpxe6Z0Q?si=w8GMGyiO6jpIFlhB https://youtu.be/lfaIeeBErzQ?si=7EbxkFTyYX4Edote Cleanest wud be double tape or layers of a grip tape (cud be tennis or badminton grip too) or lightweight clay which wolves made mainstream I can send a pic of how I put tape on my atk x1. Rounded pieces r best if u can get them cut. Vv3 felt very flat and hence long as my palm wasn't making contact n cramping. I can say that with long palms almost all mice r flat except x2h or za13 Talking about performance I'm more consistent with mods n my score in my fav tracking scenario went from 70 percentile to 90 instantly when I got my mm730 recently n made it taller. It's my fav mouse now for tracking games