Zowie (BenQ) - ZA13-C

Try a Waizowl Cloud on Aliexpress.. Sellers are selling them for $40 I own ZA12-C, ZA13-C, S1-C, S2-C and OP18K additionally a Intellimouse Pro.. - which gave me inspiration to checkout the Waizowl Cloud The ZA12-C grip width is perfect for me - other mice are just a little to narrow like you described. The Waizowl Cloud is super comfortable and I aim well with it. Checkout on eloshapes! - [https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=scyrox-v8-vs.-zowie-za13-c-vs.-zowie-za12-c-vs.-microsoft-pro-intellimouse-vs.-waizowl-ogm-cloud](https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=scyrox-v8-vs.-zowie-za13-c-vs.-zowie-za12-c-vs.-microsoft-pro-intellimouse-vs.-waizowl-ogm-cloud) For aggressive / comfortable claw the ZA12-C is still my fav.. perfect grip width and super comfortable round rear hump. The Waizowl Cloud is another fav shape easily with as much research as I've done comparing back and forth.. The tech and weight for the $ is also pretty great - idc for 4/8k hz mice.

GPX. I am by no means a mouse collector but out of all the mice I have tried, I feel I play the best on it. In fact, I no longer care about mice now that I have a GPX tbh. My 2nd place would be the ZA13-C, but after getting the GPX I found that the huge hump on the ZA13-C was less comfortable. Also, the really low button height on the ZA13-C left me much less room for my fingers on the side of the mouse, as I like to extend them towards the front of the mouse. The weight and the freedom of wireless also helps a whole lot.

Zowie c series or endgame gear for a quality and durable mouse

Buy zowie c series mouse or the endgame gear xm2 8k

Xm2 8k, dav3 wired, zowie c series

XM2 8k Zowie c series (EC, s, fk, za)

Za13-c is tall at the back up to mid then goes low aggressively because of the low button height the tallest point of the hump is slightly on the middle

Depends EC for ergonomic, fk for claw/fingertip, s/za/u for claw grip

Eh, no. X2h is closer to a za13c or an lgg LA-1 Eloshapes isn't going to show you all of the details. It's a great tool, but you will miss things like side depth, for example. You must also consider how they're aligned, as the website isn't perfect. Dont take it at face value unless you're considering what it DOESN'T show along with what it DOES Also, I hope you're giving new mice more than just a few hours. It can take some time to adjust to the nuanced features one mouse has that another doesn't. All of my mice are similar in many ways, but offer different performance depending on what I'm playing. I prefer rearward humps and forward sensors. Give yourself time to adjust, and don't get in your head about it during that adjustment time period.

Thank you, your comments are very valuable. I think i will make my decision in 2days but I decided i will try Zowie za13/Lamzu Inca(clone of za13) because big hump would release the tension from my hand rather than looking for wider/narrower mouse. Back palm support also would make my aim more consisent. 1. Zowie ZA13/Lamzu Inca 2. Zowie U2 3. Back to Zowie fk2 because i miss the feeling I can send back mouse in 14days so i will try because za13 could help me a lot with my tension in hand.

Okey. I decided before I make an order. I will go to the shop and check for deathadder. I want to be sure that I’m done with ergo for good.  But I decided that first order will be endgame xm2 4K because it’s slightly bigger than s2 and same shape. It will fill my palm more which is what I need exactly. I experimented with grip and looks I can hold relaxed claw touching palm to my wrist but I need something slightly bigger than zowie s2 . Zowie za13 feels smaller than s2 which I can’t handle. 

Same grip and \~same hand size, started gaming long time ago with the first G502.. then when Logitech made G PRO (G305) shape.. I got the Prodigy one, G203 and used that for a long time. Looking for a lighter replacement I tried: \- XM1 (good shape, great coating, but slightly large, back hump too big, definitely worth trying) \- OP1 (way to narrow, not for me) \- All the Zowies, ended up using for a short time EC-3 (issue: no micro adjustments), ZA-13 (back hump too high) \- GPX 2.. not bad but for some reason can't find a good grip... also, slippery, sold. I'll try the smaller 2 C \- G303 SE, great if it wasn't so big (still use it regularly at work) but G305 has better shape. \- MZ1 awesome.. just unreliable and a liiiiitle bit too small. \- Viper Mini = No! \- G403 that hump's huge. Now trying Mchose L7 Ultra and G3 Ultra... You (me also) want a mouse small enough that let you do micro adjustments with your fingers, it also must have some support where that small palm part touch it. G305 is great at this because you can freely move the mouse, that slightly tilted sides let fingers grab it easily, and when you press it against your palm you have enough support. If I have to pick a mouse right now for the next years, shapewise G305.. Can't understand why Logitech have not yet released a superlight version and is milking with no end the GPX shape.. Think about not buying a mouse because a pro use it but buy it if it suits you, that's what counts.

I had a look EloShapes, the hump profile is similar to the Zowie ZA13 with the side-width of ZA12. (the sides matches perfectly with the ZA12 actually). Set the alignment in Eloshapes to "bottom-centre" and you can see it's 1-to-1 with the ZA12.

Hmm the shape is more similar to the ZA12/ZA13 on Eloshapes.

Closest shape would be the ZA12/ZA13, but a lot heavier.

Much like other people have said, zowie would be your best bet. Optical scroll wheel (albeit noisy), and huano black shell blue dots and tank like shell. I've fetched a zowie Za13 from a junkyard with cut cables. The thing must have been in the yard for a long while as the screws were rusted shut, I needed screw extractors to get it out. Cleaned inside, and thoroughly outside, replaced the cable and the switches, and it was working smoothly again.

For smaller hands I think it’s a dud. Get uncomfortable the longer you play on it, for me the za13 was a way better shape for my hand size purely based on the width. The Sony is one of the widest mice I’ve used. I think the clicks were a lil to light where I prefer a lil more feed back under your finger. Yeah it’s light and all the latest specs but for my hands 16.5x10cm I just couldn’t do the size

Have you tried the Zowie ZA12? I’ve been looking for a replacement for a while but haven’t found anything I really like. I’m currently using the ZA13, but it feels just a bit too small 🙂

Zowie mice clicks from lightest to heaviest: ec > za > s > fk I've owned them all before they were wireless and I've owned the entire current wireless collection. Specifically the FK2 has the heaviest clicks in the entire lineup and the EC1 has the lightest. I don't know what kind of FK2 this guy got but it's a unicorn. I've owned like 4 different copies of FK2 over the years and it's always heavy clicks.

zowie still makes the greatest shapes, 65g is not that heavy, flawless firmware and implementation > budget products

Can I ask what type of game? Just curious. I think the ULX is pretty good for this, but I sometimes feel like I sacrifice stability with it. Zowie FK/S/ZA series are all excellent shapes for wrist aimers, just a bit dated in tech compared to today. It would also help for you to tell us how your hand measures since the advice will vary greatly depending on this factor

I have a BenQ Zowie wired mouse, and it’s amazing. No frills, high quality.

Zowie mice are super well made and long lasting and they have buttons underneath to change DPI and polling, no software. The wireless mice aren't cheap though, you'll need to look at a wired version.

The wired zowie is better than all these 3. U will de dissapointed if u want it yo be ec2 level. What about Deathadder hyperspeed? that would be way better than all 3 and doesnt cost much more i think

non pro viper wireless, razer deathadder, i'd argue g305 lightspeed, xtrfy m42, wired zowie, superlight 1, glorious wired, some lgg mice, some vaxee mice, endgame gear op1k. All these are like 25-80€ if my quick currency version is right. Some of these are wireless too. Especially if you snipe a sale you can get a really good deal. in "top tier mice" I mean the ones that are basically the same shape as the "standards", superlight 2, viper v3 pro, deathadder v3 pro, etc. Obviously the tech is a bit worse, but we were hitting insane shots on mice 15+ years ago, even the worse mice are 100% good enough. 4k/8k polling doesnt change that much, and thats the major sell of the more expensive mice. I've managed to pick up qck+ for like 10€ on average the last few years, always on sale somewhere. Otherwise a sale on a lgg saturn (standard), zowie gsr (any version you prefer). Qck might not be the longest lasting, but it's usually on a good sale so you never really have to fork out more than AT MOST 40€ a year on it if you're really picky with pad and swap it 4x a year, but most ppl usually keep it for 6-24 months atleast.

No Zowie on the FPS list is kinda crazy to me. Zowie is BenQs mouse brand, it’s a no frills very high quality mouse. No software no firmware updates, 4 DPI presets. They are consistently the best FPS mice I’ve owned. On the flip side, Logi G600 is hands down the best MMO mouse, it actually promotes me to be so lazy with keybinds I find myself using it in games other than MMOs. Protip: the older Logi Gaming Software works way better than the newer LGS for the G600.

More like user issue to me. Some people out there are just bad and doesn’t take care of things. If you take care of something, It’ll take care of you. Stay away from Logitech and Steelseries. My glorious O is 5 years old now. I had my Benq Zowie for more than a decade and I still use it. Still have my Deathadder, Mamba, Spectre and Naga throughout the years. Zowie is always been my mouse and I bought one from 2022. I use my 10+ year old on my laptop.

BenQ Zowie has been great for me.