Try a Waizowl Cloud on Aliexpress.. Sellers are selling them for $40
I own ZA12-C, ZA13-C, S1-C, S2-C and OP18K
additionally a Intellimouse Pro.. - which gave me inspiration to checkout the Waizowl Cloud
The ZA12-C grip width is perfect for me - other mice are just a little to narrow like you described. The Waizowl Cloud is super comfortable and I aim well with it.
Checkout on eloshapes! - [https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=scyrox-v8-vs.-zowie-za13-c-vs.-zowie-za12-c-vs.-microsoft-pro-intellimouse-vs.-waizowl-ogm-cloud](https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=scyrox-v8-vs.-zowie-za13-c-vs.-zowie-za12-c-vs.-microsoft-pro-intellimouse-vs.-waizowl-ogm-cloud)
For aggressive / comfortable claw the ZA12-C is still my fav.. perfect grip width and super comfortable round rear hump. The Waizowl Cloud is another fav shape easily with as much research as I've done comparing back and forth.. The tech and weight for the $ is also pretty great - idc for 4/8k hz mice.
Just a you issue. Also might add you basically bought the same mouse shape over and over again based on your photos. If you’re gonna keep going, you might as well try something with a little bit of contour. Like a zowie mouse or something. I’m za13 ride or die.
OP14K / PMM Pulse, Hitscan Hyperlight, ZA13-C / PMM FUSE 8K, GPX, GPX Dex, ASUS ROG Harpe Ace, DAV 3 Pro, PMM NEO 8K, Pulsar X2 / X2 Mini / X2H / X2H Mini / X2N Mini, Zowie U2-CW, Waizowl Cloud, LGG LA-1, Steelseries Prime Mini, Pwnage Stormbreaker Max CF, Vaxee NP01, Vaxee Outset AX (I went through all my mousemarket and hardwareswap listings to find this lol)
The XM2 was my second shape I had tried since I had gotten back into pc gaming in 2023, and I always ended up coming back to it. Owned an XM2we at first, and then eventually bought an XM2w 4K when they released. It just works well for my hands and my grip style, and I don't think any shape could replace it for me personally.
I don't recommend spending as much as I and many others have on finding "the perfect shape" as you will go down a very deep rabbit hole
Razer cobra wired
Zowie c series (ec3-c, za13-c, s2-c, fk2-c) these are all small mice of zowie and they're all high quality plus it uses an optical scroll wheel like the g502 hero
Check out mice with optical scroll wheel encoders it's usually has better longevity than mechanical encoders.
Mice with optical scroll wheel - zowie c series, g502x/basilisk v3, leviathan v4, keychron m6.
Check out the steelseries prime / prime mini wired the mini is lighter tho
Zowie c series mice - they're on 70+ weight but zowie discontinued it so chances are you're going to buy a second hand unit
If you’re 110% certain there’s not a tiny little hair in your mouse sensor, this is likely a mouse pad issue. Wired vs wireless isn’t going to be the thing that fixes it - you’re going to need to clean your mouse pads, change mouse pads or get a new mouse with a different sensor.
I used to have one of the original 502 HERO (HERO 16k) sensor mice and it was VERY picky about what mouse pad I was using. More recent Logitech mice don’t care as much, but my GPX Superlight definitely spun out more than once on the exact same mouse pad *(Artisan Hien)* that any mouse with a PixArt sensor never had a problem with.
Shape is the single most important thing in a mouse once you graduate to tech developed in the last decade.
The Lamzu Inca was the single biggest game changer for me. It combined the shape I was best on with new tech. I’ve since bought two more of them for backups and work mice.
Up until the Inca came out, **no one** was making a smaller, high hump, low front, symmetrical mouse other than the Zowie ZA13. It was the only shape that ever worked with my hybrid claw/fingertip grip.
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