Zowie (BenQ) - ZA13-DW

Bro I got like the same hand size as you basically, and very similar grip style lol, crazy. I got a YouTube channel for mice I have reviewed that I loved for small hands. Based on your grip style I can easily recommend: ZA13-DW will fit your small hands phenomenally because of your hybrid palm claw grip. I can’t tell, but if your pinky curls on the grip.l, it’ll fit very very nice into the side grooves of the ZA13-DW. If your pinky and ring finger are resting in the forward right side of the house, the front sides flair out very nicely to accommodate them. Also has a fantastic hump that’ll secure your palm as well. HITSCAN HYPERLIGHT is a super safe symmetrical shape that fits essentially every grip style, even your palm/claw grip because you have baby hands like me. Performance is top notch, and is extremely great price/performance. For a full palm grip: lamzu thorn, this thing is def one of my favorite ergos hands down for full palm contact. These three are absolutely going to be great choices for you, def look into them. I’ll plug my YouTube change here for you as I’ve reviewed both the ZA13-DW and the hyperlight and we have basically the same hand size. Cheers, https://youtube.com/@lobsterreviews-r1b?si=Qd-329zZbU0TWWZk

I have a similar grip id go with the za13 dw.

I don't have any experience with the za12 but I have a za13dw and it feels big enough for me, I like it. My hands are 19x11.5cm. It may be a downgrade going from superlight to a za13c though. Maybe check out the lgg LA-1 or the lamzu inca that's coming soon.

For me grip width is a little bit on the narrow side on the za13 but I like it. It has pretty curved sides that give it stability.

The za13-dw is the same great shape at the za11-c just a bit bigger and only weighs 65g.

Ive been trying out za13 dw for 2 weeks sometimes it feels great but im playing warzone which has quite a bit of vertical movement. I feel a bit too much of a restriction on my hand. I believe i have to switch back to xm2 4k again

What hand size works best for this I got small ahhhhh hands around 17.78-18cm long x 9.5-10cm wide and I like narrow ahhhh nice like the Finalmouse ULX competition cheetah, Zowie ZA13-DW and Endgame Gear OP18K and find the Zowie ZA13-DW too long so I’m pretty much looking for a shorter Zowie ZA13-DW with same width and shorter length so it’s short enough I can aggressively clawgrip it and that would be perfect for endgame.

Recently moved from ZA-11 to XM2We, it's a nice mouse but I lost a lot of the precise control that the ZA shape offers. So then I picked up a ZA-13DW and absolutely love it. As far as I know there isn't another mouse with this shape.

Regarding ergos, I feel the same way. Lamzu Thorn is the only one I've had that doesn't have this issue. By far the best ergo mouse I've tried. That being said, I actually main the ZA-13 DW. It has that "hourglass" shape, but it's a narrow enough mouse with a deep enough groove that I find it very comfortable and precise.

Woah. How tall are you? I'm 6'2" with 20x11.5cm hands. So, a decent amount longer and wider than average. I think you would like the Zowie ZA-13 DW. Frankly, no mouse would be long enough for you to palm, so you have to look for comfortable claw options. The ZA-13 is decently long, but importantly it has a large hump, so it will take up a lot of hand real-estate. It's also quite narrow, which for me anyways makes aiming more natural. Your hand looks more slender than mine, so the narrow shape will probably be even better for you.

i second this, ZA13-DW has been out for a while though, so they are ''updated'' Not sure they're out in glossy yet though, if that's what u meant.

Hard to say what you will find the most comfortable, but u2 is the ”safer” shape. The ZA is very hump oriented, but i very much like it for claw. I have not used the u2, but i have used every other mouse in size medium (2) and i much prefer the za for claw. The s2 also feels good, but like people have mentioned the dw makes an already small mouse even smaller, making it feel very flat so i’d avoid s2. I would probably go u2 here, it’s a safe shape and has the back palm support you’re probably after. You might also like the viper v3.

Zowie dw series and egg mice but latency doesn't matter on all of top brands

Depends EC for ergonomic, fk for claw/fingertip, s/za/u for claw grip

Za13-dw if you knuckle claw grip because the highest point of the mouse is towards the middle which will make contact with your index and middle finger knuckles. You can also try the X2hv3 mini, op18k v2.

Larger back hump try the pulsar tenz, X2H v3, za13-dw (the tallest point of the hump is on the middle)

I have the za13-dw I can't relaxed claw it due to the low button height and aggressive curvature on both sides, I prefer a tall mouse at the front and just a good curve (not aggressive) for relaxed claw

I recommend the za13-dw/S2-DW and the upcoming Sora v3 if you want to try some claw grip mice

Ec3-DW, Dav3 hs, Vv3p, Superlight 2c. Hand size is 19 x 10 cm and Claw grip. Main Game: Overwatch Current Rank: Master5 on tank, Master 3 on dps, Gm5 on support Main Mouse: Dav3hs Dav3 hs and vv3p are what I kept from my last collection culling, they were my favorite ergo and ambi that I tried and those two I plan to keep and never sell (Im not a razer shill I promise lol). Ec3 and gpx 2c are mice that I am still testing out atm and ultimately I will decide whether to keep or sell them. I also want to try Vaxee’s lineup (xe v2, np01s v2, E1) but I wish they sold on Amazon. Maybe one day. My last collection post: https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/1i01sdj/mouse_collection_pic/ Mice that I Sold: dav3 pro: too big, not unusably but was a bit unwieldy. S2-DW: was fine size-wise and shape-wise but didnt really use it over the vv3 pro. FK2-DW: too flat. i prefer a bump for stability when aiming. ZA13-DW: most unique shape I’ve tried. It was fine but I prefer the more general(?) shape of the vv3p. EC2-DW: size was fine but i preferred dav3hs. I know alot of people rave about the ec shape but it didnt do anything for me personally. xm2w 4k: I actually liked this shape but the way endgame gear handled the op1w 4k v2 malware issue (took them like 3-4 weeks to make an official statement and inform their customers) left a bad taste in my mouth so I sold it. I don’t want to support this company with my money. gpx dex: similar big size to dav3 pro but the shape and coating made it easier to grip for me. I would have no problems using this but I just prefer smaller ergos. U2-DW: claw grip mouse but I didnt like the locked in feeling it gave. rvmse: too small op1w 4k: too thin gpx2: size is fine but after years of trying to use this shape I was never able to get used to it. I only tried for so long bc so many pros use it but it just doesnt work for me.

yah haha every one except the e1-dw which I think would be too big. Ec3->ec2 for me personally. The naming is confusing because it’s not just smaller but the ec3 is wider and shorter. For me most favorite to least would be: 1. S2 2. ec3 3. za13 4. ec2 5. fk2 6. u2 Ec3 might be #1 over the S2 but I am not sure yet I need to test it more. also ec2 and fk2 might be switched but its been a while since Ive used them so I dont really remember.

Thank you, your comments are very valuable. I think i will make my decision in 2days but I decided i will try Zowie za13/Lamzu Inca(clone of za13) because big hump would release the tension from my hand rather than looking for wider/narrower mouse. Back palm support also would make my aim more consisent. 1. Zowie ZA13/Lamzu Inca 2. Zowie U2 3. Back to Zowie fk2 because i miss the feeling I can send back mouse in 14days so i will try because za13 could help me a lot with my tension in hand.

Okey. I decided before I make an order. I will go to the shop and check for deathadder. I want to be sure that I’m done with ergo for good.  But I decided that first order will be endgame xm2 4K because it’s slightly bigger than s2 and same shape. It will fill my palm more which is what I need exactly. I experimented with grip and looks I can hold relaxed claw touching palm to my wrist but I need something slightly bigger than zowie s2 . Zowie za13 feels smaller than s2 which I can’t handle. 

Same grip and \~same hand size, started gaming long time ago with the first G502.. then when Logitech made G PRO (G305) shape.. I got the Prodigy one, G203 and used that for a long time. Looking for a lighter replacement I tried: \- XM1 (good shape, great coating, but slightly large, back hump too big, definitely worth trying) \- OP1 (way to narrow, not for me) \- All the Zowies, ended up using for a short time EC-3 (issue: no micro adjustments), ZA-13 (back hump too high) \- GPX 2.. not bad but for some reason can't find a good grip... also, slippery, sold. I'll try the smaller 2 C \- G303 SE, great if it wasn't so big (still use it regularly at work) but G305 has better shape. \- MZ1 awesome.. just unreliable and a liiiiitle bit too small. \- Viper Mini = No! \- G403 that hump's huge. Now trying Mchose L7 Ultra and G3 Ultra... You (me also) want a mouse small enough that let you do micro adjustments with your fingers, it also must have some support where that small palm part touch it. G305 is great at this because you can freely move the mouse, that slightly tilted sides let fingers grab it easily, and when you press it against your palm you have enough support. If I have to pick a mouse right now for the next years, shapewise G305.. Can't understand why Logitech have not yet released a superlight version and is milking with no end the GPX shape.. Think about not buying a mouse because a pro use it but buy it if it suits you, that's what counts.

I had a look EloShapes, the hump profile is similar to the Zowie ZA13 with the side-width of ZA12. (the sides matches perfectly with the ZA12 actually). Set the alignment in Eloshapes to "bottom-centre" and you can see it's 1-to-1 with the ZA12.

Hmm the shape is more similar to the ZA12/ZA13 on Eloshapes.

Closest shape would be the ZA12/ZA13, but a lot heavier.

Much like other people have said, zowie would be your best bet. Optical scroll wheel (albeit noisy), and huano black shell blue dots and tank like shell. I've fetched a zowie Za13 from a junkyard with cut cables. The thing must have been in the yard for a long while as the screws were rusted shut, I needed screw extractors to get it out. Cleaned inside, and thoroughly outside, replaced the cable and the switches, and it was working smoothly again.

For smaller hands I think it’s a dud. Get uncomfortable the longer you play on it, for me the za13 was a way better shape for my hand size purely based on the width. The Sony is one of the widest mice I’ve used. I think the clicks were a lil to light where I prefer a lil more feed back under your finger. Yeah it’s light and all the latest specs but for my hands 16.5x10cm I just couldn’t do the size

Have you tried the Zowie ZA12? I’ve been looking for a replacement for a while but haven’t found anything I really like. I’m currently using the ZA13, but it feels just a bit too small 🙂

Zowie mice clicks from lightest to heaviest: ec > za > s > fk I've owned them all before they were wireless and I've owned the entire current wireless collection. Specifically the FK2 has the heaviest clicks in the entire lineup and the EC1 has the lightest. I don't know what kind of FK2 this guy got but it's a unicorn. I've owned like 4 different copies of FK2 over the years and it's always heavy clicks.

zowie still makes the greatest shapes, 65g is not that heavy, flawless firmware and implementation > budget products

Can I ask what type of game? Just curious. I think the ULX is pretty good for this, but I sometimes feel like I sacrifice stability with it. Zowie FK/S/ZA series are all excellent shapes for wrist aimers, just a bit dated in tech compared to today. It would also help for you to tell us how your hand measures since the advice will vary greatly depending on this factor

We definitely are at peak. The sensors are so good to the point where you can’t even tell the difference with just the naked human eye. A mouse and more to come eventually where you can adjust the increments of your dpi by just 1 dpi at a time. Mice weighing below 40 grams with polling rates high enough it drains the heck out of your battery or it’ll cause heavy stutters, especially if it’s not high polling rate friendly. The clicks on all the mice I’ve tried, GPX 2, viper v3 pro, beastx max, and Lamzu Atlantis…. They all felt the same latency wise. The only mice where I’ve clicked and felt like the quickness of its latency was the xm2w 4k and op1 8k. Even zowies mice dw series clicks feel just about the same as any other new release latency wise even though it’s higher than normal on paper. But guess what, that’s on paper and we aren’t computers lol. The race to see who’s mice are better than the other are fun but in reality… something we don’t want to admit is they are all basically the same thing but with different shapes and different weights. It all comes down to how it’s implemented. It’s crazy to hear we live in a day that people legitimately call 60 gram mice heavy. If it continues they’ll soon start calling mice 50 grams heavy lol

Thank you, i still stand by my point on this matter, its not even my "opinion" its mere statistics of my purchases and quality/RMAs in last 10 years. needless to say, since i made this post i am now using newest zowie benq wireless mouse and its been working fine, lets see how long it lasts

No Zowie on the FPS list is kinda crazy to me. Zowie is BenQs mouse brand, it’s a no frills very high quality mouse. No software no firmware updates, 4 DPI presets. They are consistently the best FPS mice I’ve owned. On the flip side, Logi G600 is hands down the best MMO mouse, it actually promotes me to be so lazy with keybinds I find myself using it in games other than MMOs. Protip: the older Logi Gaming Software works way better than the newer LGS for the G600.

More like user issue to me. Some people out there are just bad and doesn’t take care of things. If you take care of something, It’ll take care of you. Stay away from Logitech and Steelseries. My glorious O is 5 years old now. I had my Benq Zowie for more than a decade and I still use it. Still have my Deathadder, Mamba, Spectre and Naga throughout the years. Zowie is always been my mouse and I bought one from 2022. I use my 10+ year old on my laptop.

BenQ Zowie has been great for me.