ZYGEN (VAXEE) - E1 Wireless (4K)

I am running my vaxee e1 with it https://preview.redd.it/jy9nvm2n3xae1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=be6e7c5da364ed4a7d688f720d0ce93d97d699aa

I wouldn't get the thorn due to its shape, it fills the hand out a lot. Xlite V3 mini is the most narrow I'm sure. Im a little confused with you saying the Viper V3 was too wide. Ergo's are wider. E1 is going to be a well built mouse, it's not an EC3, just a tad smaller EC2. The DaV3 Hyperspeed has perfectly fine specs. Literally nothing wrong with them. It'll be a little more narrow than the Thorn and E1. I'd try it personally if I were you. I don't really use ambi's now. But if a Viper was too wide, maybe look at some top ambis on elo shapes, maybe one of the new ambi zowies is more narrow where you need it?

Best software is no software. Zowie, Vaxee and Xtrfy. Pulsar es line is also driverless

I haven’t been on the scene that long but I really like the GPX for non-ergo and Vaxee E1 for ergo

Since you palm grip, I’d suggest the comfy route with either the Maya X, which is bigger than the Maya, or something big like the new Vaxee E1. If you care about weight then I’d lean towards the Maya X, which is about 47 grams, and it’s symmetrical, something you seem to be used to already. If you want to try ergo for the first time, try the Vaxee E1, which is 60 grams, and is a successor to one of the most popular ergo mice which is the EC-1 from zowie.

Vaxee E1 is GOATED best EC2-C clone on the market

The best ones in my opinion is the Dav3, Vaxee E1, Gpro Dex or wait for the EC2-DW.

Being an EC2 refugee myself, I'd highly recommend the Vaxee E1.

Pulsar V3 es or Vaxee E1 2 of the FPS goats

I have all or most of the mice mentioned in your post, and similarly have had issues finding a mouse that had a right side that felt normal. The XM2w caused my hand to cramp (even tho I played awesome with it lol) The E1 is the best overall mouse I've ever used imho. The shape is second to none in my opinion. I have the ec2-dw, the pulsar super light size 1 & 2ES) and many other ergos that aren't nearly as comfy. The cons to the E1 are - the buttons have a specific bounce/spring to them, so there is a tiny bit of rattle if you slam your mouse often - the scroll wheel is fine - the side buttons have a bit of a corner to them, (I just sand it down) I'm currently switching between the E1, the Viper V3, the Zowie S2-dw Oh, and the Sora is an awesome mouse with a great shape. It's god a cool internal structure that was fun to mod and get the weight super low. I missed having the curved finger grooves (so I added my own) but overall it's an awesome mouse that I mained for months before I got into ergos. The pulsar super light is awesome, but had specific curves (along the right side and front) where I never felt 100% comfy. I have the v3ES and the v3 size 1, and both were a bit off for me. And I also didn't love the raesha optical switches.... Best scroll wheels tho! The XM2w is certainly the best built mouse of these three. If there was a version that didn't have such an aggressive inward curve along the right side I would likely be maining this mouse. That and I wish it had finger grooves... It's so solid tho... My personal rankings: 1. E1 2. Sora 3. Xlite (does the v4 still use Raesha optical switches??) 4. XM2w (but if you like the shape, its potentially #1)

Vaxee E1

Because even if your palm grip is “forced” to the right side, the ec2 shape should be the best option available, and since the vaxee e1 is the a better ec2, this is why I think it would fit

The dex is not an ec2 clone, it feels at least for me way different. The dex fills the back of your palm more, you need to imagine holding a gpx but it has a wider back and also is taller, it is comfortable but it can easily force you into a specific grip. If you like the ec2 shape but want something slightly smaller you can try the vaxee e1, it feels like an ec2 but more agile. Also maybe look for the ec3. When it comes to dimensions: Ec2 > E1 > Ec3

True, the price is hefty, but worth it. I'd rather spend it on this one again with good huano switches than my old lamzu maya x with bad omron opticals that became mushy and sticky after 3 months. I had to wait 2 months for Lamzu to send my money back and it was the worst mouse in my life. Vaxee asks more, but delivers more as well. Much more than Razer or Lamzu. You could go with Zowie as well if you want. Maybe that's a bit cheaper in your country.

Got my Vaxee E1 a few weeks ago, works like a charm and feels great. Software is kinda Ass tbh

+1 for vaxee or dav3. Don’t feel like any others compare for fps at least.

Definitely the smaller one. The deathadder v3 pro is huge, probably it's biggest con for a lot of people. I have 20x10cm hands and I find the deathadder v3 pro too big. Im a big ergo fan and if you wanted a recommendation outside of the deathadder, I would recommend the Vaxee E1, I freaking love that mouse. It's wireless implementation is top notch, it feels like it's a wired mouse, its a great ergo mouse. And I also really like the Logitech Superlight DEX, it also has amazing wireless implementation, top tier sensor, and a comfortable shape. The deathadder also has great wireless stability and latency. I've realized just how much wirelss implementation plays a factor into how good a mouse feels, Because all modern sensors are so good these days, that wireless stability, latency, and accuracy will play a much bigger difference between which mice feel really good and which ones feel okay. I have found that Logitech, Razer, vaxee, and zowie have the best wireless implementation When ever I use something like my pulsar xlite v4, it feels way more "loose" with big flicks, it feels like it has a subpar sensor compared to the vaxee E1, or the DEX, or the Deathadder v3 pro, but it should be on par with the vaxee e1 and dav3. Do note that the deathadder v3 hyperspeed uses a lower end sensor, it's not even a 3395, but it's wireless stability and latency is sooo good, it'll feel just as good as a pulsar xlite v4 that has the highest end sensor currently, the 3950. Comparing the deathadder v3 pro to.the hyperspeed, I only feel a ever so slight difference, where the hyperspeed feels a little more "loose", a little "faster" with it's fast flicks. Compared to the deathadder v3 pro, it feels a little more "slowed down" with it's big flicks, almost like it has a little more control ability so it feels a little more slowed down as you flick it. I own all these mice and have tested them all extensively.

i've tried an np-01s v1 and i have an e1. i agree, their wireless implementation is great, very snappy and responsive, build quality is very good and the e1 has the best feeling mechanical switches i have used.

no but how the sensor is implemented can make a difference. i'd rather have a "worse" sensor that is implemented well than a "better" one thats implemented poorly. maybe its the unit i received, i dunno but i'm just now trying out a razer deathadder v4 pro and i feel like it has a "floaty" sensor, in comparison the deathadder v3 hyperspeed i tried felt really snappy despite having a "worse" sensor. i remember the first time i tried a vaxee mouse and the thing that stuck out sensor wise was how responsive and snappy it felt compared to other mice i tried using the same sensor. i mean if you can, why not try it out for yourself and get a superlight 2 you can return if its not for you?

I would replace the lamzu atlantis with the upcoming Xm2w 4k v2 it will have a better performance wise next would be a vaxee wireless mouse and lastly zowie wireless mice (dw)

Op18k/XM2 8k Vaxee and zowie wireless mice Logitech super light 2 Dex, gpx2

V3 or the v3 hyperspeed maybe you can try the vaxee E1 or the goat ec2-cw

Zowie mice and endgame gear op18k, XM2 8k and the wireless version, also vaxee mice

I'd say the vaxxee e1 but that still might be a bit too wide. Try the Xlite, QC is a hit and miss maybe you get lucky. Remember the smaller the mice, the better you aim

Something ergo from zowie/ deathadder V3 pro / deathadder V3 hyperspeed / Vaxee

Vaxee E1 ect you didn't state your handsize & budget so I ain't reading your mind when it comes to that

Vaxee E1, Like EC2 but better in my opinion..

you basically drew an op1 and VAXEE xe/xe-s. consider those or an ergonomic mouse like the vaxee e1, ec2/3-dw, or pulsar xlite. even the VAXEE np-01s might be the best shape for you, based on the issues described. it has more ring and pinky support than any non-ergo mouse I've used and you can easily be agile with it and have a flexible grip, while having more support for the thumb and ring/pinky fingers.

X3 has those bad raeshas, not the good ones on the crazylight. DEX has those trash clicks. Vaxee you have to use 800 cpi. Thorn might be small for you.

Le miens qui roxx ca reste la meilleur shape la E1 de chez VAXEE coef zowie EC2, et clavier custom XTRFY k5 avec touche en PBT razer woouaaawwwww petit bemol, les switchs de la E1 sont trop sensible malheureusent ou heureusement selon l humeur lmao

I have around the same hand size as you ergo: DAV3, EC2, EC1, Xlite size 2/3, Zaopin Z2, Vaxee E1, Lamzu Thorn ambi: Maya X, VXE Mad R (small but I can still claw it), GPX, Viper V3 pro

Since you mentioned that your wrist touches the mousepad then you should look at the Vaxee E1 which has the tail cut off for better wrist movement

https://preview.redd.it/a17kokd93xdf1.jpg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30559b49acb72f9e1f3c51b8a745b6391c5bf3e3 Been using the E1 before the EC3-DW came out but wanted to get the EC3 because I have small feminine hands (unfortunately) and wanted something more nimble, but not too narrow (The reason why I can't use the Xlite Mini or any super small EC clones). Context: Sweaty gamer who plays CS and Apex. Some random thoughts: E1: Vaxee's Wireless Competitive Mode is noticeably superior to anything I've ever tried, and that remains true vs the EC3-DW. I'm not sure how they pulled it off but it feels noticeably snappier, smoother than the EC3, and it's probably the biggest thing that keeps me from moving off the E1 completely. If you have medium-small hands the E1 is the one to get IMO. The E1 has the better clicks and scroll wheel as well IMO. The only thing I prefer on the EC3 is the coating and the side buttons. But if the E1 came in a EC3-style variant, I would definitely prefer that over the EC3-DW. I also tried Vaxee's new speed skates with the anti collapsing thing. Really nice, has that smooth butter glossy feel but doesn't play too fast either. EC3-DW: EC3-DW's wireless 4k mode disappointed me a little bit, as I mentioned above, it doesn't feel as good as Vaxee's wireless competitive mode. However, it's not bad in any sense either, just not anything special. I like how you can charge the mouse via the dongle though, and you get extra skates and a regular small dongle along with the main dongle. Quite a good value for only $10 more than the E1. The best thing about the EC3 to me is the shape. Nothing else like it on the market. It doesn't feel too small and in my hands it feels much less bulky than the E1. I was expecting it to just be a shorter E1, but it feels more compact all around, which surprised me because I heard the EC3 was just a shorter EC2, which the E1 is basically based off of. However, another disappointment is the click latency on the EC3, again it feels just a tad slower than the E1. Is it going to make that much of a difference in-game? Probably not, but every time I pick up the EC3 I can't help but compare it to the E1 which has almost 0 debounce and feels incredibly responsive. Also had to switch the feet to the black ones included. Surprisingly there wasn't much of a difference between the white and black feet but the black feet is just a hair slower. The white ones felt way to fast with basically zero stopping power on all my pads, but turned into mud on my one super control pad. The weight balancing is also a little back heavy, which throws me off since I grip the mouse near the front like you're supposed to, so they need to fix that honestly. If you have larger hands than me, you probably won't notice the shape difference as much. It only makes a difference to me since I have small ass hands. Let me know if anyone has questions about these mice. In general I would recommend the E1 over the EC3 unless you have very small hands like me, where EC2-like shapes feel too bulky.

I don't do 100% palm either, I do some hybrid finger palm grip, and I find ergos 10x better than symmetrical for my grip. I love the E1 too, it's the most polished mouse I've ever used. Feels like they handcrafted it, just a shame my hand likes the EC3 shape more.

EC3 and Vaxee E1. 

I have large hands and love the E1. It's my main. I don't palm though.

Same grip and hand size. What mouse did you end up going with? Been rocking a E1 recently but considering trying other shapes.

For me, it's EGG or Vaxee. Neither are following the "mega-ultra-super lightweight" philosophy, they care more about making incredible products. I've had my NP-01S v2 for around 6 months and I only regret not buying a Vaxee years earlier.

Vaxee mice are very neutral looking and high quality

Check recent zowie and vaxee models, they are more or less weighty and feel sturdy

Vaxee mice, but they are slowly updating their models to be lighter, so if you want a heavy mouse, better get them now. Or you could get a heavily controlled mousepad like LGG Jupiter too, might help with shakiness.

I like that it IS, literally, the vaxee mouse and they didnt even attempt to change the name. Just took out 2 letters, actually, and left it so you pronounce it identically as an english speaker haha. They said "fuck it"

Any vaxee mouse will likely stick to your hand like glue. 

Get a vaxee mouse

non pro viper wireless, razer deathadder, i'd argue g305 lightspeed, xtrfy m42, wired zowie, superlight 1, glorious wired, some lgg mice, some vaxee mice, endgame gear op1k. All these are like 25-80€ if my quick currency version is right. Some of these are wireless too. Especially if you snipe a sale you can get a really good deal. in "top tier mice" I mean the ones that are basically the same shape as the "standards", superlight 2, viper v3 pro, deathadder v3 pro, etc. Obviously the tech is a bit worse, but we were hitting insane shots on mice 15+ years ago, even the worse mice are 100% good enough. 4k/8k polling doesnt change that much, and thats the major sell of the more expensive mice. I've managed to pick up qck+ for like 10€ on average the last few years, always on sale somewhere. Otherwise a sale on a lgg saturn (standard), zowie gsr (any version you prefer). Qck might not be the longest lasting, but it's usually on a good sale so you never really have to fork out more than AT MOST 40€ a year on it if you're really picky with pad and swap it 4x a year, but most ppl usually keep it for 6-24 months atleast.

Look into Zowie or Vaxee. Great shapes, coating, click quality without the gamer aesthetic. Scroll wheels are on the louder side of that bothers you. But you have a tactile scroll wheel as a trade off