ZYGEN (VAXEE) - OUTSET AX Wireless (4K)

I find this quite strange because I share the same concerns as you, but unlike you, the curved side of the EC2 is why I always used mice based on that; IME 3.0, and then EC2 versions over the years (EC2 OG with glossy sides, EC2 Blue rubberised, and a few years ago the EC2-DW. However, I switched to the Vaxee AX O because I experienced some skipping issues with a few EC2-DW units. My Vaxee has recently given me some double-clicking issues after a year and a half, and I'm thinking what's next

For that grip I recommend also checking out Outset AX from VAXEE and Lamzu Thorn. Generally speaking all the mice mentioned in this post will work for you well, you just have to iron out the options so you get the one that fits you the best.

Anything [Vaxee](https://www.vaxee.co/en/product.php?cid=2). Top-notch mice. I prefer wired and have been extremely happy with the Outset AX.

Thank god I got attached to the OP1 shape, I had the same issue of 27 mice. * OP1 8K White + Corepads * OP1w v2 4K Dark Frost * OP1we White * XM1r Dark Frost * Starlight Pro TenZ Small + Tiger ICE * HSK Plus Lite Pink * Hati S Ace Wireless + Corepads * Hati S Plus 4K Transparent Black * Hati S Plus 4K White + Obsidian Dots * Hati S Plus Classic + Ghostglide Dots * HTX 4K Ruby Red + Obsidian Dots * Lamzu Atlantis Mini * Logitech G Pro Superlight White * Pulsar X2 Super Clear Mini * Pulsar X2H Mini Black * Pulsar Xlite Mini Black + Corepads + Grips * Pulsar Xlite V2 Red * Razer Orochi V2 White + Superglides * Razer Viper Mini + Corepads * Sprime PM1 * Vaxee NP-01S Blue Wireless + BTL Grips * Vaxee NP-01S White * Vaxee Outset AX Funspark * Vaxee XE White * Xtrfy MZ1 + Corepads * Zowie EC2-A + Corepads * Zowie ZA13-C + Corepads

Wireless has been perfect for years. Any gaming mouse made in the last 5 years Will have perfect wireless implementation (aside from Bluetooth), regardless of the price you pay. For similar ergo mice I recommend looking at the deathadder v3 pro, the ec2-dw, or something like the Vaxee AX

Pulsar Xlite v3 is far and away my favorite at the moment. Have used DAV3, Ec2, gpro DEX, Vaxee outset. It’s essentially an Ec2 clone

Vaxee ax I have larger hands and it’s a little heavier so it feels perfect for me, something a little taller in the middle with not too much of a drop works best for me

I wouldn’t do the dav3 length makes it a weird choice, something a little taller and shorter does it for me and I have a similar grip. Something like the vaxee ax was almost perfect for me but just my opinion.

The colors are super sick vaxee reminds me of zowie in their divina time. I’m not sure about the hyperspeed Ik I’ve recommended it cause the previous hyperspeeds have been pretty good and for the price I dont think it’s not worth(you could always look if there’s somewhere near you that has one you can test) I have the dav3 faker and i love it it’s just barely too long while for me the vaxee ax is perfect (haven’t tried any other shapes, you could also try and measure your hand it’s never worked for me but you can look up measurements and get a gist of what mouse might fit better)

I would replace the lamzu atlantis with the upcoming Xm2w 4k v2 it will have a better performance wise next would be a vaxee wireless mouse and lastly zowie wireless mice (dw)

Op18k/XM2 8k Vaxee and zowie wireless mice Logitech super light 2 Dex, gpx2

Zowie mice and endgame gear op18k, XM2 8k and the wireless version, also vaxee mice

Outset ax and lamzu thorn

One of the best ergonomic mouse

Of course the shape is similar to outset ax

Vaxee Outset Ax is the best shape for me and the quality is also very good.

outset ax, finally got one and it's an upgrade from my thorn IF you tilt your hand tons. I got one used for 45 usd and it got no issues with qc

I have Pulsar xlite v3 Es (Red)I really enjoy. Es version is e-sports so it’s driverless so everything is controlled on mouse. Xlite v3 comes in Mini Normal and Large. Vaxee Outset Ax was very nice as well. Driverless so everything on mouse. Razer Death Adder v3 Pro (To big for me but v3 was soooo nice) Other mice I haven’t tried but want to for ergonomic options (since moving back to symmetrical - I now use Lamzu Maya X for shooters) Lamzu Thorn WLmouse Sword X

I'm really enjoying my new Vaxee Outset AX. You'll need grip tape, but that is literally the only issue I've had. Note: If you go with this one. Please read the instruction manual.

I've been liking the Vaxee Outset AX. Might want to take a look. Seems similar

G pro x2 superl, o melhor mouse que já tive na vida, segundo melhor que tive foi 1 vaxee outset, construção absurda dessa marca.

I second the outset ax suggestion. I had a problem with mice for years, amassed a collection of about 40 mice. Once I got my hands on the outset, it truly became my endgame and I've been using it for like a year and a half uninterrupted.

Tried a bunch of ergos and this is my ranking of them Dav3 pro>outset ax>dav3 hyperspeed>pulsar xlite v2 mini>ec2a>ajazz aj179 Im a cs player with 18x10cm hands and always thought I’d prefer smaller mice, but I actually ended up liking the bigger ones

Best software is no software. Zowie, Vaxee and Xtrfy. Pulsar es line is also driverless

For me, it's EGG or Vaxee. Neither are following the "mega-ultra-super lightweight" philosophy, they care more about making incredible products. I've had my NP-01S v2 for around 6 months and I only regret not buying a Vaxee years earlier.

Vaxee mice are very neutral looking and high quality

Check recent zowie and vaxee models, they are more or less weighty and feel sturdy

Vaxee mice, but they are slowly updating their models to be lighter, so if you want a heavy mouse, better get them now. Or you could get a heavily controlled mousepad like LGG Jupiter too, might help with shakiness.

I like that it IS, literally, the vaxee mouse and they didnt even attempt to change the name. Just took out 2 letters, actually, and left it so you pronounce it identically as an english speaker haha. They said "fuck it"

no but how the sensor is implemented can make a difference. i'd rather have a "worse" sensor that is implemented well than a "better" one thats implemented poorly. maybe its the unit i received, i dunno but i'm just now trying out a razer deathadder v4 pro and i feel like it has a "floaty" sensor, in comparison the deathadder v3 hyperspeed i tried felt really snappy despite having a "worse" sensor. i remember the first time i tried a vaxee mouse and the thing that stuck out sensor wise was how responsive and snappy it felt compared to other mice i tried using the same sensor. i mean if you can, why not try it out for yourself and get a superlight 2 you can return if its not for you?

Any vaxee mouse will likely stick to your hand like glue. 

Get a vaxee mouse

non pro viper wireless, razer deathadder, i'd argue g305 lightspeed, xtrfy m42, wired zowie, superlight 1, glorious wired, some lgg mice, some vaxee mice, endgame gear op1k. All these are like 25-80€ if my quick currency version is right. Some of these are wireless too. Especially if you snipe a sale you can get a really good deal. in "top tier mice" I mean the ones that are basically the same shape as the "standards", superlight 2, viper v3 pro, deathadder v3 pro, etc. Obviously the tech is a bit worse, but we were hitting insane shots on mice 15+ years ago, even the worse mice are 100% good enough. 4k/8k polling doesnt change that much, and thats the major sell of the more expensive mice. I've managed to pick up qck+ for like 10€ on average the last few years, always on sale somewhere. Otherwise a sale on a lgg saturn (standard), zowie gsr (any version you prefer). Qck might not be the longest lasting, but it's usually on a good sale so you never really have to fork out more than AT MOST 40€ a year on it if you're really picky with pad and swap it 4x a year, but most ppl usually keep it for 6-24 months atleast.

Look into Zowie or Vaxee. Great shapes, coating, click quality without the gamer aesthetic. Scroll wheels are on the louder side of that bothers you. But you have a tactile scroll wheel as a trade off