ZYGEN (VAXEE) - XE

I have fingertip/claw and i have vaxee xe-s, that i like and I am indecisive between beast x mini/ulx/htx mini They are rather similar aside from htx which would be a new ground to try...

Yes and do you like high hump? If not maybe you want to try xe-s or Atlantis mini.

I'm way too many mice deep now, G305 was my favorite in 2019, mice tech started getting better and better so I started collecting mice and getting 3D printed ones from PMM and shit even but still today the G305 and Prime Mini wireless is still my favorite shapes aim wise. I love the Vaxee XE-S, OP1 4k, and Mad R Major for aiming, but the way the G305 tapers inward on the front + the curved sides lets me lift it more naturally and gives more fine control/freedom playing at low sens. Even 3D printed a G305 modkit to put Viper V2 internals in so I could use it at 2000/4000 hz but my print was scuffed lol. Mchose G3 Ultra is sick but it's slighter bigger and throws me off a lil. Recently though I got that Attack Shark G3 that came out and I love it even though that sensor is a bit slower, it's like a slightly smaller G305. Dream is still to get Vaxee / OP1 wireless latency in a G305 🙏

Zowie mice and endgame gear op18k, XM2 8k and the wireless version, also vaxee mice

It doesn't have a back hump but you can try the beast x mini, vaxee xe-s.

you basically drew an op1 and VAXEE xe/xe-s. consider those or an ergonomic mouse like the vaxee e1, ec2/3-dw, or pulsar xlite. even the VAXEE np-01s might be the best shape for you, based on the issues described. it has more ring and pinky support than any non-ergo mouse I've used and you can easily be agile with it and have a flexible grip, while having more support for the thumb and ring/pinky fingers.

I’m going to strongly suggest you consider Vaxee. They’ve got the best QC in the industry and some really compelling hybrid asym-sym type designs (NP01-S, something like that). I just bought the XE-S and it was great. They’re in California and ship almost same day. Excellent customer support and everything put together with the finest of detail. I feel like everyone in the mouse game kinda ignore them but wow. Fine attention to detail puts everyone else to shame.

I do agree with you that the charm of the Vaxee mice would be lost on almost everyone trying them out. They are small details and are pretty thoughtful, it reminded me of omiyagi sets when I visited Japan 15 years ago. I think just like the Western audience isn’t going to notice or enjoy it. I have an XE-S and the truth is I got the blue edition, I live with my folks and my mother saw it and has had mouse envy lately, I gave it to her and she adores it. She stole my damn mouse. I think you might get my drift there. I do like their mice a lot, just had to be a user that will take enjoyment from the whole package.

Vaxee xe-s sounds perfect for you Low hump allows you to fingertip it easily and it's super high quality

Yeah, yesterday I’ve wasted 4 hours of my sleep trying to update the firmware on a piece of garbage called Vaxee XE-S. Their software is so amazing that it kept spamming me with “No Device Found!” And I’ve read that in logs only, because the UI app just did nothing: no progress, no error messages, just sitting there. Their support pages and support replies on YouTube instead of giving a solution recommend to disconnect other mice and reboot into Safe Mode. Safe Mode to update the firmware in 2025, Karl! Of course, out of desperation I tried all that too - no dice. In the end I went into the Device Manager and figured out that Vaxee’s firmware updater app was looking for a wrong device ID for both the dongle and the mouse. After I fixed that in the updater config files the update went smoothly. F#cking sh#t, Vaxee, that’s not the user experience I expect from a $140 mouse. You have to hire some quality software engineers if you want to be in the elite brands. And about the mouse itself: I genuinely don’t understand who buys this product if there is the Hitscan Hyperlight - very similar shape and size, but better everything: clicks, weight, weight distribution, shape, coating, price, and of course software. The only thing that I’m happy about is that I got it used for $50 shipped. It would be already on its way to Vaxee returns department if I’d pay $140 for that. But for $50 I will give it another chance, we’ll see how it performs. Other mice I have: MZ1, Hyperlight, Ultralight Prophecy, Sora V2, Viper Mini SE, Viper v2 Pro, Viper v3 Pro, Lamzu Thorn.

Vaxee XE fits your needs

Similar problem. Most comfortable I've found is a Vaxee XE, but honestly they are all pretty meh. Instead I've developed a claw grip to compensate.

look like your grip is palm Ergo: deathadder v3 (pro) - delux m900 (large then deathadder v3); zowie ec1; pulsar xlite large size; glorius model D symmetrical - glorius model O, vaxee xe, lamzu maya X, waizowl ogm cloud

Totally agree! I'm struggling with the same issue. Not really sure why there are so few mice that have the "negative flare" at the top :/ and those that are there, are usually considered bad in other aspects (Corsair M75 Air or Steelseries Prime). But I find Vaxee XE, Superlight and (especially) Deathadder V3 Pro to be pretty comfortable, nonetheless

Please let me know if you find one. I've been looking for a wired mouse with a similar shape and size, but I encountered so many quality issues that I gave up. The Vaxee XE had an issue with the scroll wheel button, and the wired version is no longer in production. The Viper 8khz had an extremely wobbly left button, so I don't want to try any Razer products. The Cherry Xtrfy M50 had a wobbly scroll wheel. I plan to test the following in the near future: The Endgame Gear XM2 8khz, the XM1r (maybe the XM1r has better quality according to a few video I saw), and the Maya X (though I don't need the wireless function). Otherwise, I will order an old Logitech G Pro Wireless mouse. They are supposed to be extremely well-built, though the cable quality is not the best.

Vaxee is truly goated. I’m beyond excited for their pulsar collab, still have my original XE wireless and often lend it out to friends, mouse is still going strong for 3-4 years, has taken 1-2 desk falls onto hardwood floors and even still the clicks feel almost just as crispy as when I first got it. Currently go between the crazy light and the XEv2 and the XEv2 build quality is light years ahead of basically every other mouse I own besides maybe a Zowie or EGG. Web driver also is clean and simple to use, totally with you OP, I couldn’t glaze them harder.

personally i really like large mice for tracking since it makes me feel more stable, i like the deathadder v3 and vaxee xe as my best tracking performance mice

This is why the only ambi shapes I still own are the Logitech G309, Vaxee XE, and Logitech G303SE.

I Used a vaxee xe for years switching to the hyper light is Like using a mini Office Mouse designed for traveling.

Maya X is the one to go with. Sora V2 is a downscaled XM2W which only works with agro claw. XE is best suited to palm but 78G and overpriced. GPX2 is fine, its my go to. Viper V3 Pro would probably be too big for you. My hands are 21x10 and can barely handle it.

completely forgot to say in the post lmao thats on me, its a vaxee xe. love the mouse its done me well but the essentially lack of a front mouse button does suck. have u had good experiences w the hts ultra? the only ppl ik who have had gwolves mice all had quality issues w connection/build quality and ive heard plenty horror stories of their customer support so im tryna save some trouble haha

its the vaxee xe

Best software is no software. Zowie, Vaxee and Xtrfy. Pulsar es line is also driverless

For me, it's EGG or Vaxee. Neither are following the "mega-ultra-super lightweight" philosophy, they care more about making incredible products. I've had my NP-01S v2 for around 6 months and I only regret not buying a Vaxee years earlier.

Vaxee mice are very neutral looking and high quality

Check recent zowie and vaxee models, they are more or less weighty and feel sturdy

Vaxee mice, but they are slowly updating their models to be lighter, so if you want a heavy mouse, better get them now. Or you could get a heavily controlled mousepad like LGG Jupiter too, might help with shakiness.

I like that it IS, literally, the vaxee mouse and they didnt even attempt to change the name. Just took out 2 letters, actually, and left it so you pronounce it identically as an english speaker haha. They said "fuck it"

no but how the sensor is implemented can make a difference. i'd rather have a "worse" sensor that is implemented well than a "better" one thats implemented poorly. maybe its the unit i received, i dunno but i'm just now trying out a razer deathadder v4 pro and i feel like it has a "floaty" sensor, in comparison the deathadder v3 hyperspeed i tried felt really snappy despite having a "worse" sensor. i remember the first time i tried a vaxee mouse and the thing that stuck out sensor wise was how responsive and snappy it felt compared to other mice i tried using the same sensor. i mean if you can, why not try it out for yourself and get a superlight 2 you can return if its not for you?

Any vaxee mouse will likely stick to your hand like glue. 

Get a vaxee mouse

non pro viper wireless, razer deathadder, i'd argue g305 lightspeed, xtrfy m42, wired zowie, superlight 1, glorious wired, some lgg mice, some vaxee mice, endgame gear op1k. All these are like 25-80€ if my quick currency version is right. Some of these are wireless too. Especially if you snipe a sale you can get a really good deal. in "top tier mice" I mean the ones that are basically the same shape as the "standards", superlight 2, viper v3 pro, deathadder v3 pro, etc. Obviously the tech is a bit worse, but we were hitting insane shots on mice 15+ years ago, even the worse mice are 100% good enough. 4k/8k polling doesnt change that much, and thats the major sell of the more expensive mice. I've managed to pick up qck+ for like 10€ on average the last few years, always on sale somewhere. Otherwise a sale on a lgg saturn (standard), zowie gsr (any version you prefer). Qck might not be the longest lasting, but it's usually on a good sale so you never really have to fork out more than AT MOST 40€ a year on it if you're really picky with pad and swap it 4x a year, but most ppl usually keep it for 6-24 months atleast.

Look into Zowie or Vaxee. Great shapes, coating, click quality without the gamer aesthetic. Scroll wheels are on the louder side of that bothers you. But you have a tactile scroll wheel as a trade off