ZYGEN (VAXEE) - XE-S Wireless (4K)

you basically drew an op1 and VAXEE xe/xe-s. consider those or an ergonomic mouse like the vaxee e1, ec2/3-dw, or pulsar xlite. even the VAXEE np-01s might be the best shape for you, based on the issues described. it has more ring and pinky support than any non-ergo mouse I've used and you can easily be agile with it and have a flexible grip, while having more support for the thumb and ring/pinky fingers.

I’m going to strongly suggest you consider Vaxee. They’ve got the best QC in the industry and some really compelling hybrid asym-sym type designs (NP01-S, something like that). I just bought the XE-S and it was great. They’re in California and ship almost same day. Excellent customer support and everything put together with the finest of detail. I feel like everyone in the mouse game kinda ignore them but wow. Fine attention to detail puts everyone else to shame.

I do agree with you that the charm of the Vaxee mice would be lost on almost everyone trying them out. They are small details and are pretty thoughtful, it reminded me of omiyagi sets when I visited Japan 15 years ago. I think just like the Western audience isn’t going to notice or enjoy it. I have an XE-S and the truth is I got the blue edition, I live with my folks and my mother saw it and has had mouse envy lately, I gave it to her and she adores it. She stole my damn mouse. I think you might get my drift there. I do like their mice a lot, just had to be a user that will take enjoyment from the whole package.

To answer your question on Vaxee, I don't have a copy of E1, but I own both NP-01s, XE v2, and XE-S. They're extremely well built, probably some of the nicest mice on the market. They've got a unique feel as far as premium mice go, the box/packaging is very simple and utilitarian, but on my NP-01s, for example, I can squeeze that thing like trying to break it hard and it doesn't budge at all. They're really nice.

XE-S is the most criminally underrated mouse in this scene. If they do an XE mini on the collab that thing will absolutely blow up. Hopefully it’s built more like Vaxee with the nice mechanical switches. XE-S is one of my top5 and this collab has the opportunity of making that mouse an absolute legend.

This is why the only ambi shapes I still own are the Logitech G309, Vaxee XE, and Logitech G303SE.

Zowie FK1+ when they start making it again is the biggest. Vaxee XE is similar size to the Cloud but with more vertical sides. XE and Cloud have the same 39mm hump height IRL despite what eloshapes says.

The XE and G309 are some of my favorite shapes right now

Vaxee xe-s, Xtrfy MZ1, wireless version as it comes with an even flatter interchangeable hump that the wired version does not have, although the wired is also flat), or the beast X mini or medium all good "flat" options.

I'm way too many mice deep now, G305 was my favorite in 2019, mice tech started getting better and better so I started collecting mice and getting 3D printed ones from PMM and shit even but still today the G305 and Prime Mini wireless is still my favorite shapes aim wise. I love the Vaxee XE-S, OP1 4k, and Mad R Major for aiming, but the way the G305 tapers inward on the front + the curved sides lets me lift it more naturally and gives more fine control/freedom playing at low sens. Even 3D printed a G305 modkit to put Viper V2 internals in so I could use it at 2000/4000 hz but my print was scuffed lol. Mchose G3 Ultra is sick but it's slighter bigger and throws me off a lil. Recently though I got that Attack Shark G3 that came out and I love it even though that sensor is a bit slower, it's like a slightly smaller G305. Dream is still to get Vaxee / OP1 wireless latency in a G305 🙏

I would replace the lamzu atlantis with the upcoming Xm2w 4k v2 it will have a better performance wise next would be a vaxee wireless mouse and lastly zowie wireless mice (dw)

Op18k/XM2 8k Vaxee and zowie wireless mice Logitech super light 2 Dex, gpx2

It doesn't have a back hump but you can try the beast x mini, vaxee xe-s.

Fk2-dw, x2 cl, superlight 2c, vaxee xe-s, op18k v2

I love my fk2-dw but xe-s is also a nice shape if I have to pick that would be xe-s mainly because it's more suitable for my hands

Currently using the VAXEE XE-S I was using the GPX Superlight 1. I switched because the scroll wheel sensor started tweakin, common issue with GPX. I chose the VAXEE because of its low latency and shape. The GPX was a little too big and restricted my vertical fingertip movement. Love everything about the mouse. Could be a bit lighter I guess, but I've been using 60g mice for 5+ years.

owned beast x pro, vaxee xe-s, ec3-dw, u2-cw, susantoX, but after gettng 2c, havent really looked back when it comes to competitive gaming. idk what is with 2c but i feel i perform best using it. Hand size 17x9 btw

Vaxee xe-s sounds perfect for you Low hump allows you to fingertip it easily and it's super high quality

Vaxee XE-S is a super flat shape and fills out at the back can nicely for your hand

Yeah, yesterday I’ve wasted 4 hours of my sleep trying to update the firmware on a piece of garbage called Vaxee XE-S. Their software is so amazing that it kept spamming me with “No Device Found!” And I’ve read that in logs only, because the UI app just did nothing: no progress, no error messages, just sitting there. Their support pages and support replies on YouTube instead of giving a solution recommend to disconnect other mice and reboot into Safe Mode. Safe Mode to update the firmware in 2025, Karl! Of course, out of desperation I tried all that too - no dice. In the end I went into the Device Manager and figured out that Vaxee’s firmware updater app was looking for a wrong device ID for both the dongle and the mouse. After I fixed that in the updater config files the update went smoothly. F#cking sh#t, Vaxee, that’s not the user experience I expect from a $140 mouse. You have to hire some quality software engineers if you want to be in the elite brands. And about the mouse itself: I genuinely don’t understand who buys this product if there is the Hitscan Hyperlight - very similar shape and size, but better everything: clicks, weight, weight distribution, shape, coating, price, and of course software. The only thing that I’m happy about is that I got it used for $50 shipped. It would be already on its way to Vaxee returns department if I’d pay $140 for that. But for $50 I will give it another chance, we’ll see how it performs. Other mice I have: MZ1, Hyperlight, Ultralight Prophecy, Sora V2, Viper Mini SE, Viper v2 Pro, Viper v3 Pro, Lamzu Thorn.

XE-S is one of my top mice, but I just cannot stand 60g weight after all of the progress in the scene. v2 with 40g-ish would be the best. Scroll wheel surface also asks for an improvement. Otherwise - top mouse.