Some of the mice you listed are medium to medium small mice but you said your hand was large. Are we talking deathadder large or not quite?
I've got the vaxee ergo you mention and the scyrox. What do you want out of the shape?
When I hear palm grip with large hands it's hard to not recommend a deathadder v3 or v4 pro
Op1w 4k v2 I had the wired 8k and it's a good mouse flat thin sides decent hump with a. Hotswap feature
X2 cl mini no idea on this mouse cause I haven't tried it but looking at it it has a flat sides decent hump like the op1 and it's crazy light
Vaxee xe-s it's a low profile mouse with flat sides mid hump quality is good
Zowie FK1+ when they start making it again is the biggest.
Vaxee XE is similar size to the Cloud but with more vertical sides. XE and Cloud have the same 39mm hump height IRL despite what eloshapes says.
To answer your question on Vaxee, I don't have a copy of E1, but I own both NP-01s, XE v2, and XE-S. They're extremely well built, probably some of the nicest mice on the market. They've got a unique feel as far as premium mice go, the box/packaging is very simple and utilitarian, but on my NP-01s, for example, I can squeeze that thing like trying to break it hard and it doesn't budge at all. They're really nice.
XE-S is the most criminally underrated mouse in this scene. If they do an XE mini on the collab that thing will absolutely blow up. Hopefully it’s built more like Vaxee with the nice mechanical switches. XE-S is one of my top5 and this collab has the opportunity of making that mouse an absolute legend.
I’m going to strongly suggest you consider Vaxee. They’ve got the best QC in the industry and some really compelling hybrid asym-sym type designs (NP01-S, something like that).
I just bought the XE-S and it was great. They’re in California and ship almost same day. Excellent customer support and everything put together with the finest of detail.
I feel like everyone in the mouse game kinda ignore them but wow. Fine attention to detail puts everyone else to shame.
I do agree with you that the charm of the Vaxee mice would be lost on almost everyone trying them out. They are small details and are pretty thoughtful, it reminded me of omiyagi sets when I visited Japan 15 years ago. I think just like the Western audience isn’t going to notice or enjoy it. I have an XE-S and the truth is I got the blue edition, I live with my folks and my mother saw it and has had mouse envy lately, I gave it to her and she adores it. She stole my damn mouse.
I think you might get my drift there. I do like their mice a lot, just had to be a user that will take enjoyment from the whole package.
XE-S is one of my top mice, but I just cannot stand 60g weight after all of the progress in the scene. v2 with 40g-ish would be the best. Scroll wheel surface also asks for an improvement. Otherwise - top mouse.
Yeah, yesterday I’ve wasted 4 hours of my sleep trying to update the firmware on a piece of garbage called Vaxee XE-S. Their software is so amazing that it kept spamming me with “No Device Found!” And I’ve read that in logs only, because the UI app just did nothing: no progress, no error messages, just sitting there. Their support pages and support replies on YouTube instead of giving a solution recommend to disconnect other mice and reboot into Safe Mode. Safe Mode to update the firmware in 2025, Karl! Of course, out of desperation I tried all that too - no dice. In the end I went into the Device Manager and figured out that Vaxee’s firmware updater app was looking for a wrong device ID for both the dongle and the mouse. After I fixed that in the updater config files the update went smoothly.
F#cking sh#t, Vaxee, that’s not the user experience I expect from a $140 mouse. You have to hire some quality software engineers if you want to be in the elite brands.
And about the mouse itself: I genuinely don’t understand who buys this product if there is the Hitscan Hyperlight - very similar shape and size, but better everything: clicks, weight, weight distribution, shape, coating, price, and of course software.
The only thing that I’m happy about is that I got it used for $50 shipped. It would be already on its way to Vaxee returns department if I’d pay $140 for that. But for $50 I will give it another chance, we’ll see how it performs.
Other mice I have: MZ1, Hyperlight, Ultralight Prophecy, Sora V2, Viper Mini SE, Viper v2 Pro, Viper v3 Pro, Lamzu Thorn.
Vaxee xe-s, Xtrfy MZ1, wireless version as it comes with an even flatter interchangeable hump that the wired version does not have, although the wired is also flat), or the beast X mini or medium all good "flat" options.
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