Razer - Viper Mini Series

I'm surprised you've had scrollwheels die on you. I play apex regularly using scroll wheel for jumping and tap strafing with a WL Sword X magnesium for a year and I've yet to experience any issues. I also like the fact that they don't require a program to be downloaded to change mouse settings and is just a web portal. Your experience may differ but I found it way better than my Deathadder V3, Superlight 1 and 2 as well as Razer Viper. It isn't the lightest mouse around, but I have larger hands and it fits well with claw grip for me personally.

I too upgraded to vxe r1 pro after 2.5yrs of using viper mini, right now waiting for shipping

Well that's preference. I first got viper mini but my pinky hurt so much I returned it and bought v2 mini. No pain at all. Now I'm using dareu a950 Pro clone and no pain at all. It has similar shape to viper mini so dunno why.

Fantastic mouse, been using mine since October last year and it's still perfect, think I'd only swap if Razer release a Viper Mini Pro at this point.

Got it bro, main reason to upgrade from a Viper Mini was the sensor and polling rate. Was getting a good deal on it. Thanks for the suggestion mate, appreciate it

Coming from a viper mini it feels a bit bigger, not sure about the grip. The comfort is somewhere in the middle.

Appreciate you mate. Its a bit in the middle actually. Changed from a viper mini, so feels a bit bigger.

Yes correct I had the Viper mini for 3 years and it was great. Used my friends Cobra as well, felt similar weight and form factor. Switched to this V3 and feels a lil bit bigger than Viper mini, the comfort is somewhere around the middle. Appreciate your suggestion mate.

There are very few with an adjustable sensor position. I only have experience with the razer orochi V2, Taipan, viper mini, viper mini SE and gwolves hsk pro. So I can only speak on those. You'll have to do your own research on pwnage. They seem to have produced some well priced bangers from what I've heard so I doubt they'll disappoint. The sensors on all modern gaming mice are overkill nowadays so I wouldn't worry about that either. I have a €300 mouse and never used its 8k polling rate.

There are very few with an adjustable sensor position. I only have experience with the razer orochi V2, Taipan, viper mini, viper mini SE and gwolves hsk pro. So I can only speak on those. You'll have to do your own research on pwnage. They seem to have produced some well priced bangers from what I've heard so I doubt they'll disappoint. The sensors on all modern gaming mice are overkill nowadays so I wouldn't worry about that either. I have a €300 mouse and never used its 8k polling rate.

decent enough, pretty heavy compared to most comp mice though. I'd only get it if you really like the shape. You can get good 30 dollar mice from china at 50\~ grams, but with shapes closer to the viper mini or regular.

idk man, my razer viper mini only lasted me one and a half years, meanwhile my Logitech g502 has lasted for around 4 years, no wheel issue, no click issue, just that it's really ugly now since my brother uses it lol

i use the viper mini

I have a Razer Deathadder V3 and a Viper that I really like. Liked the Logitech G703 as well. My keyboard is some basic $8 USB one.

If you prefer a mouse with more than 2 side buttons then I’d just stick with what you have and maybe look at getting a faster mouse pad to try and offset the weight. If you can live with only having 2 side buttons then I’d suggest the razor viper mini also known as the razor cobra. I have the same grip as you and I really like the more flared out front of the viper mini. Gives my fingers more room.

Oh, it's all so challenging. I'm planning to buy wireless mouse too, but the more I read about them, the more messed up my head gets. On the one hand - there are quite a few negative reviews. On the other hand, there are some positive ones. I will assume that the truth is somewhere in the middle, any of all these Сhinese mice can be defective (out of the box or after a few months of use). In other words, they are somewhat the same in terms of reliability. Various controllers, switches, batteries, but ultimately the same random сhinese quality everywhere, regardless of model or ‘brand’. I've already read a few times somewhere on here that Madlions is the top in terms of quality, but when I went looking for actual customer reviews, I found the owner (I think it was about the Mad G) mentioning all the same sensor lags, uneven body shape (the bottom is not flat), left button squeaking, in general, the same issues as any other cheap Chinese mouse. Ultimately, I do not know what to do. Maybe things aren't really that bad. But I don't want to mess with this roulette (and my Vipermini is still working fine).

Honestly, I started with a Viper Mini and MP510 I’ve not become better while having all these new peripherals 20+ mice and mousepads. Of course I’m better than 5 years ago lol, but aim training and just playing the games I like has helped much more than peripheral changes. I went from a Viper Mini 5 years ago to a Hitscan Hyperlight (similar shape) basically went full circle lol. Even tried the XM1 that you have but it was too large for my hand, but it felt very premium to me at the time.

I started with the Viper Mini, and it feels like my mouse journey has now come full circle, returning to a Viper Mini-esque shape again. I will definitely review it in the coming weeks.

I actually started playing Valorant with the Viper Mini, I quit playing though, I don't enjoy it as much anymore.

find me a coating and a sensor and optical switches and side buttons too that are better than in viper v3 pro. I'm waiting. I didn't have viper ultimate I used viper mini and there were no problems with it

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Have you tried the Razer basili....oh...oh my. Uhh.. Well... Sounds like you're a claw grip gamer, whether you want to be or not. Seriously though, RocketJumpNinja has a website and YouTube channel and has a bunch of recommendations. The Roccat/Turtle Beach Kone Aimo is a larger mouse, but it's also heavier. I need a bigger mouse and found the Kone Aimo from RJN a few years ago. The only problem I had with it was that the left click button would wear out too quickly. I played a lot of Siege and loved using the pistols. LOL I switched to a razer viper to try a different grip... The left click has yet to go out, but I find it a little small.

Currently using a logitech g502 and a razer viper on laptop and desktop respectively. Both are great mice. I think the razer naga hex (v1) was my favourite mouse historically though i got it around the start of GW2 and it was just very well suited to that game. I had the naga hex v2 after that and it was also great. (preferred the v1 slightly)

Mouse is great, i got one for free from Razer themselves, it was supposed to release in Argentina "at the same time" as in every other country, but because of Covid they couldn't do it I asked some a Razer rep (very respectfully) if he had news about when it's coming to Argentina, he told me to ask him in a month, i did it and he said "Can you provide us a phone number so we can contact you?" I thought they were going to call me to tell me when it will be available It was at home chilling, got a call "Hey, im a rep from Razer, we want to let you know that we have a Razer viper mini waiting for you! completely free!" Things were crazy and depressing because of Covid but that shit made me happy hah I got the mouse, and when the viper mini was finally available to buy in Argentina, i bought another one so i have it as "backup" Sadly, both mouses developed scroll issues, where the scroll click won't work at all (to fix it you had to fucking slap the mouse to make it work again) Good mouse, i wish they could release the same one with better scroll [I'm looking forward now Delux m800 mini](https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005009312710792.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.10.11ecKsgVKsgVNV&algo_pvid=c05174b2-528c-4b98-b086-114c7331484a&algo_exp_id=c05174b2-528c-4b98-b086-114c7331484a-9&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22order%22%3A%229%22%2C%22eval%22%3A%221%22%7D&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21PKR%2111302.79%216782.24%21%21%2139.83%2123.90%21%40212e509017507039820976374eca81%2112000048721112982%21sea%21PK%216088290802%21X&curPageLogUid=K965VilLur2U&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A&gatewayAdapt=glo2esp) (i can't buy it because Delux official store doesn't ship to Argentina, so i'm waiting until another reseller has it)

I got a good deal on razer viper mini for $15 like 2 years ago. It has been great. It has now started to develop some scroll wheel issues but everything else still works flawlessly.

endgame gear op18k is a relatively affordable very high performance small mouse suitable for claw, i’ve a similar hand size and grip style too and am a fan. if it’s mostly about shape for you i guarantee you can find older zowie za13/s2 b-c series for a good price that will likely perform better than any budget mouse. if you can find the old razer viper mini, they usually go for 25-45 quid these days, one of the most sought after mouse shapes it is a genuinely brilliant mouse esp on a budget. pulsar also have some decent budget options on their site but i haven’t tried any of their shapes, have heard excellent things about the x2 shape for claw/fingertip though!

Before switching from the Viper Mini to the wired Cobra, I had some preconceptions based on what people were saying on this sub but honestly I didn’t notice much of a difference, if any at all. I recently moved to the Cobra Hyperspeed to finally get rid of the cable, accepting a few trade-offs (like the puck/dock hole and a 26K sensor instead of 30K). It’s exactly the same dimensions as the wired Cobra, just +4g heavier which is still within a reasonable lightweight range (50–60g is my ideal sweet spot). Again, I noticed no difference at all and I’ve had no issues with the skates on my side. Besides that, it’s such a pleasure to finally be wireless with a lightweight mouse clone of the OG RVM. Now, if in the future they finally release what we’ve all been asking for like an RVM SE with the latest top-tier sensor, no holes, and a fair price without treating us like cash cows I’ll switch to it instantly. Until then, this mouse will do its job very well.

You do have a pretty good mouse. It can do 8k with a dongle, under 2ms latency. I have those internals in a Viper Mini SE shell that I had 3D printed in nylon. It is not noticably different in performance to my DAV3. I'm not saying you shouldn't upgrade. I'm just saying what you have is closer to the best gaming mouse out there than it is to a random Bluetooth wireless mouse from the corner store. That being said, most "better" mice will be lighter. If you want a weighty mouse, with premium features, look for something like a used Logitech G502 or G502X, or Razer Basilisk. Those RTS ready mice have a lot of extra buttons, but are also heavier. Most gaming focused mice go for lightest weight possible. As a result, even $160 Logitech and Razer offerings tend to feel cheap. At least, cheap if you equate weight to quality. Which, most people do before they try a super light class mouse. To each their own.

had an office mouse all the way up until 2020 when i got a razer viper mini

Best mice ive tried, for my tipe of grip i way too comfortable, im coming from a viper mini

A tip from a guy that knows about mouse: you will hear a lot of mixed opinions about durability "I never had a problem with it", "it sucks", but the truth is that's all subjective by their experiences, by design any mouse no matter how expensive can double click, specially if has no optical switches (most of them) otherwise, a mouse that mostly won’t encounter these issues using normal swiches does not exist TBH, but the chances of having double clicks are very very low, otherwise a lot of mouse companies would not sell, all you can do is watch good mouse reviewers like AimAdapt, usually when they say that a mouse is good is really good and choosing one with opticals if you are traumatized with double clicks, mouses with opticals is the way to go, solid construction is very easy to find nowdays, I also suggest you to consider your gripstyle to check all the boxes, if you use fingertip then why not go for Razer Viper, they are solid, good warranty, optical switches, recommended by any reviwer.

It all depends on your preference, and your grip obviously. But if you already use a fingertip grip with another mouse, then yeah changing for a fingertip mouse is an upgrade since it's much lighter, smaller, and easier to move. However if you wanna switch grip, I'd recommend you to first get used to fingertip grip with a small mouse before getting a fingertip mouse. Using something like a viper mini in terms of dimensions is a good way to know whether or not this is the right grip for you. In my case it's not and I'm too used to claw grip anyway, which is why I never went smaller than mini dimensions.

A4tech office mouse moving to a Viper Mini. Still using a viper mini today but looking for a replacement, the scroll wheels on these things really don't last.

Hyperx waala accha hai afaik, also consider viper mini, been working pretty good for me

My viper is 3 yrs old and has been barely hanging on. Logitech from 2015 is still going strong. Never buying another razr mouse/keyboard.

My viper is 3 yrs old and has been barely hanging on. Logitech from 2015 is still going strong. Never buying another razr mouse/keyboard.

My viper is 3 yrs old and has been barely hanging on. Logitech from 2015 is still going strong. Never buying another razr mouse/keyboard.

going from a viper mini to hyperspeed v3 feels good for now ngl only 1 problem weight..but in the time period of me changing mouse i took an 100gm mouse so i got used to it..

Razer Viper Mini is the greatest mouse of all time

Razer Viper Mini wireless with better coating and Razer's latest switches/mouse tech. H-R-SE Bi 1st edition 500x500, not the second edition Bi II, because those are much slower than the Bi first edition.

as a fellow alien fingered fuck I have to say I thought the Viper Mini was perfect, however my grip is fingertip so idk

I have pretty much the same grip style and hand size. I found out for me that while the ec shape like the xlite are very comfy, they're sometimes not great cause I can't micro adjust with my fingers. I now really like either lower humps like viper mini/finalmouse inspired or something with a back hump like the Sora 4k. Allthough I think the lower hump is nicer.

Basilisk v3, i play a lot of siege and it is my favorite mouse. Depends if he has big hands or not, basilisk is fantastic if you have big hands, small hands seam to prefer the viper, I had one and found it very uncomfortable. Appears to be 69.99 on razers website but it should be available elsewhere.

I've been using the Viper Mini the past 3 to 4 years or so and I think it's more or less on its last legs as it would randomly sabotage my gameplay by randomly disconnecting from time to time. My budget is around 30 USD, which is around 120-160 MYR from I'm from, I intend on getting a new mouse during next Shopee sale I'm right handed, 19x9.5cm, claw grip. I'm used to lighter mice as I've used the Logitech G102 and Viper Mini. Currently I've heard great things about Chinese AliExpress mices. So far I've been debating on choosing either the Vxe r1 Pro, Mchose A7 (base), and Attack Shark X6. I've heard some praise from these mice and I like how they look too. But I'd like to hear other recommendations or opinions on which to pick between the 3.

I like to rest my hand on the mouse as well, so my pick is always an ergo shape. I’ve tried Razer Viper’s shape and VGN’s Dragonfly shape (which is similar to Logitech’s G Pro), but as soon as I got my hands on a Rapoo VT3 Pro Max, it became my number 1 mouse. What I personally would suggest you is to look on [EloShapes](https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=razer-mamba-elite) for mouses that has a similar shape to the Mamba, this way you’ll know if the mouse you’re looking will fit your hand just fine. When I got my mouses/mice, I went for cheaper/cost-benefit options, just to test the shapes out. My plan was to move for a better mouse once I found my shape to go, but the VT3 fit me so good, that I just kept it.

ive got the same hand size 😁, my main mouse was the viper mini for years so if you have played ftip for a long time this mouse will feel amazing, 20g, low click distance, side buttons can be a little trickier but you get used to them 😁

Perhaps viper mini still does! I love that mouse and surely you could find a viper still with wire somewhere

I still love my G502 although been using my Razer vioer more often lately. The comfort of the G502 is not making me leave it though

Viper mini g305 g502 viper v3 hyperspeed are all good options personally viper v3 pro is the most appealing

vxe r1 for wireless, viper mini for wired. those 2 are the best mice when it comes to value at this price range

i had a raza naga and basilisk. I also tried a g203 and razer viper, both of which were too small for my hands.

MX518. I wish they had wireless. Deathadder V3 Pro (I do also have the Hyperspeed too but I keep gravitating to the V3 Pro) I tried the Basilisk V3 (didn't like it), tried the Orochi V2 (too small and hurts hands), tried the Viper (preferred Deathadder V3 Pro better), tried the GPro (prefer Deathadder v3 pro much better) For eronomic office mouse I actually oddly enough loved the microsoft sculpt mouse. It's like a big ball. But it's discontinued now. I also like the MX Master 3 but it can feel clunky at times - but I rotate between that and the DAV3 Pro.

that glossy VM is the one

hump placement just perfect. rounded and central, my palm never had this kind of comfort support and fits all of my grip styles 😩 Even the long travel mushy switches make clicks felling on every spot just the same. 🐐

Razer viper mini, tried and true

G703 but also viper mini... Which I returned

Review of the ATK U2 This is my first review like this i hope it is useful to someone. I am using a standard tape measure and converting from inches to cm so measurements might not be exact. This is my hand size for reference. My hand size is about 17.78cm x 8.89cm and my thumb is on the short, stumpy side at around 5.08cm. First off a little TLDR Warning a backstory to my mouse journey. So the Journey began with my first mouse a redragon M901 equipped with PMW3360 Precision Sensor. Then I tried the Redragon M913 Impact Elite equipped with the Pixart 3335. It was decent much better then the stock mice I always got with the prefab desktops I had as a kid. I returned it because the battery life was horrible on it and stuck with the wired version. Moving on I purchased my first name brand mouse real gaming mouse it was the Logitech g604 using the HERO 16K sensor. This bad boy was a chonker weighing in at 135 grams. But boy did it feel better. Everything about it felt more precise. I want to say I mained this bad boy for about a year. I I started watching a lot of reviews on mice and got the itch to try something new. Less buttons as I had gotten tired of setting up hotkeys for my games and wanted something that I could set up and key a few buttons quickly and get to playing. I also wanted to try lighter wireless mice as I had heard they are a lot better. This is when I stumbled onto the g305. It used the same HERO 16K sensor if I'm not mistaken with the model I had (I have sold it since then). It was lighter and had a decent sensor for the time. I used the AAA battery mod in it. The only thing I didn't really like about that mouse was that the back end sits low, the middle is pretty wide for my grip style. It felt off to me. Shortly after I got the Orochi v2 and this was the best I had tried. Equipped with the 5G Advanced 18K DPI Optical Sensor (according to tech power up it's a the PixArt PAW3369) the shape fit my claw style grip it was light weight and it felt perfect. Well this was short lived not long after I tried the viper mini because I wanted to try optical switches and it was a cheap way to do so. The Viper Mini is equipped with the PAW3359. I fell in love with the switches and just hated the cable. I wasn't sure if it was a placebo or if the opticals really felt quicker to me and more responsive but I was stuck on them. So I bought the viper ultimate. This checked all my boxes at the time. Light weight for the time 74g, opticals switches, and wireless. It came equipped with the Focus+ sensor (PAW3399). My claw grip felt great on this mouse. The only thing I didn't like about the mouse was the side buttons on the side for left handed people. Not a big deal as it was easy to disable and the rubber grips they wear down after time. I tried the G-Wolves HSK Wired equipped with the PWM3389 Sensor and weighing in at 36g. I liked the weight, the lack of side buttons was the deal breaker for me and the fact it was wired. I liked the size of it and felt pretty nice in my hand but the wire was annoying to me and the lack of side buttons just made it not suitable for my gaming needs. I continued to mained the viper ultimate until the release of the viper v2 pro and ordered the hyper polling dongle as soon as it launched, 4k Hrz polling later updated to 8k hHrz polling. The v2 pro was a huge upgrade to me, lighter at 58g as opposed to 74G, and equipped with the Focus Pro 30K (PixArt PAW3950). This was mained until the release of the Viper Mini SE. i Originally passed on the first batch of the Viper Mini SE due to the price and having spent so much on the Viper V2 pro at launch and not having used it super long. But the beauty of the Viper Mini SE got to me. It really checked all the boxes I wanted in a mouse. Super light weight at 48.3 grams, High Polling 8k Hrz, amazing Build quality, and top tier sensor. The down side was the price tag. Once it came back in stock my Ex ordered it for me. I have since put it up for personal reasons and this led me on the journey to find my new main. So now here we are with the ATK U2. I started looking for a new mouse and didn't want to spend Razer, Logitech, Final Mouse kind of money on my next mouse. I stumbled onto a lot of different brands of Allie Express Mice and noticed something sub $70 8k polling support on a mouse. This caught my eyes. I also noticed they had it implemented for wired and wireless. Both my V2 Pro and Viper Mini SE only supported 8k in wireless mode which I always found silly and figured it had to do with the dongle having something in it that allowed it since the V2 Pro only came stock with the 1k dongle. I looked some more and noticed the the ATK F1 extreme supported the 8k polling wired/wireless and its shape is almost exactly as the hitscan hyperlight. Which is very close to the viper mini shape. Watched a lot of reviews on ATK and i ordered the F1 Extreme for about $69. My copy came in at 35.73g with 4 tiger ice v2 dot skates. I got it in the mail, got it out of the box and I was in love, boxed up my Viper mini SE and put it in storage. I had seen the zowie U2 shape and wanted to try it but never bought one. I had seen the ATK U2 on sale when I was looking for a new mouse but the 49 +/- weight was a turn off for me because I wanted a super light mouse sub 40g with 8k polling because i remembered loving the weight of the gwolves hsk wired and now sub 40g wireless is a thing. So after using the ATK F1 extreme i ordered the ATK U2 ultimate for about $56. TLDR over on to the review. My copy of the ATK U2 comes in at 52.31g with the stock skates. I got it from aliexpress so i don't know how the shipping from ATK’s Official site is. The unboxing experience is nice. It comes packed in a brown box that says ATK on it. Inside of that box is the mouse's actual box. It comes with an 8k dongle, a decent paracord cable on the stiffer side of paracord cables, and extra skates. I have not used extra skates. They say they are control skates. It also comes with grip tape as well. I don't like to use grip tape but its a nice addition. Software/Web Driver: ATK U2 has 2 ways to use the software for mouse adjustments: a web driver [ATK HUB](https://hub.atk.pro/) and the software. I use both. I prefer the web driver if I'm messing with settings for the mouse. It's just more fluid and it's easy to use in English. The software was in Chinese from the start for me a little messing around i got it working in English. I use the software if I want to quickly look at the battery level of the mouse. The web driver you have to add the mouse each time you load it if you close the browser. With the software you do not have too. Both Drivers are full of features and do the same things. Allows you to adjust DPI, Polling Rate, Angle, LOD, Dongle RGB setting, Key binds, and Firmware updates and much more. Only complaint I have about the software is that the Key binds do not have the ability to be paired to the application you use. This was a feature that kept me liking Logitech and razors software as buggy as synapse is. This is an easy fix honestly and I wished I found it sooner. I started using a program called X-mouse Button Control. This allows you to be able to implement your key binds using X-Mouse Button Control and set them up to be used on a per application basis i also set it up to have google cloud save my key binds to the cloud so i have thin in an event that i have to reformat my PC and don't have to go back the key binding process. X-Mouse Button Control fixes my only complaint about their software and its free and pretty light on computer Resources. [You can Get X-Mouse Button Control here](https://www.highrez.co.uk/downloads/xmousebuttoncontrol.htm) The Shell And Coating: The mouse has a nice coating; it feels kind of like a smooth matte texture. It's not a rough feeling like the V2 Pros texture. Not on the shell something felt off when compared to my old V2 Pro and I couldn't put my finger on it until I was reading some other reviews. The shell does not feel as dense. I have tried squeezing the mouse pretty hard more than you would put on the mouse in normal day to day use and I don't get any squeaking, creaking or flexing. So it is not a bad feeling that it feels less dense, it's just how it is. Battery life: I have not had the mouse dies once on me i have a bad habit of if i'm done i will toss the mouse on the charge that being said i have been running it at 8k polling and ran it multiple sessions without charging the 800mah battery makes 8k Hrz honestly feel like when i used 1k Hrz with older wireless tech. The Grip: The mouse honestly feels to me like it speaks to you. When I grabbed it for the first time my grip was pretty much locked in. It is one of the most comfortable mice I have used for my claw grip. Clicks and Scroll wheel: The Omron Opticals are on par with razer opticals in my opinion. They have a nice crisp click quick and easily spammable buttons. The side buttons feel great they are pretty good size not tiny and the placement of them is perfect it's designed in such a way i don't have to feel like i have to place my tomb in a specific place to hit the button it feels like my thumb wants to be there and the buttons just happen to be where they can be hit easily. The Scroll wheel is using the TTC Gold encoder. It feels amazing with great tactile steps. The scroll slick is easy to use and I have not gotten any accidental scrolls while clicking. The main chip: is the Nordic 52840 The Sensor: Not much to say they did a great job implementing the Pixart PAW3950. Honestly i feel its on Par with Razers implementation of it The Dongle: The dongle is ok. It has adjustable RGB which is nice. I would have liked the dongle to be smaller and more of a normal shape but it's not an added cost to the mouse, it's included with it and it works really well so all and all no gripes. All in all this is my favorite mouse, my new main. I liked it so much I bought a 2nd one on sale for around $49. I plan to do some mods to it, a battery weight reduction, use dot skates, and add qi charging to it. When I get my second copy in the mail I will make any updates I need to to this review. # ATK U2 = 10/10 Would Recommend

Review of the ATK U2 This is my first review like this i hope it is useful to someone. I am using a standard tape measure and converting from inches to cm so measurements might not be exact. This is my hand size for reference. My hand size is about 17.78cm x 8.89cm and my thumb is on the short, stumpy side at around 5.08cm. First off a little TLDR Warning a backstory to my mouse journey. So the Journey began with my first mouse a redragon M901 equipped with PMW3360 Precision Sensor. Then I tried the Redragon M913 Impact Elite equipped with the Pixart 3335. It was decent much better then the stock mice I always got with the prefab desktops I had as a kid. I returned it because the battery life was horrible on it and stuck with the wired version. Moving on I purchased my first name brand mouse real gaming mouse it was the Logitech g604 using the HERO 16K sensor. This bad boy was a chonker weighing in at 135 grams. But boy did it feel better. Everything about it felt more precise. I want to say I mained this bad boy for about a year. I I started watching a lot of reviews on mice and got the itch to try something new. Less buttons as I had gotten tired of setting up hotkeys for my games and wanted something that I could set up and key a few buttons quickly and get to playing. I also wanted to try lighter wireless mice as I had heard they are a lot better. This is when I stumbled onto the g305. It used the same HERO 16K sensor if I'm not mistaken with the model I had (I have sold it since then). It was lighter and had a decent sensor for the time. I used the AAA battery mod in it. The only thing I didn't really like about that mouse was that the back end sits low, the middle is pretty wide for my grip style. It felt off to me. Shortly after I got the Orochi v2 and this was the best I had tried. Equipped with the 5G Advanced 18K DPI Optical Sensor (according to tech power up it's a the PixArt PAW3369) the shape fit my claw style grip it was light weight and it felt perfect. Well this was short lived not long after I tried the viper mini because I wanted to try optical switches and it was a cheap way to do so. The Viper Mini is equipped with the PAW3359. I fell in love with the switches and just hated the cable. I wasn't sure if it was a placebo or if the opticals really felt quicker to me and more responsive but I was stuck on them. So I bought the viper ultimate. This checked all my boxes at the time. Light weight for the time 74g, opticals switches, and wireless. It came equipped with the Focus+ sensor (PAW3399). My claw grip felt great on this mouse. The only thing I didn't like about the mouse was the side buttons on the side for left handed people. Not a big deal as it was easy to disable and the rubber grips they wear down after time. I tried the G-Wolves HSK Wired equipped with the PWM3389 Sensor and weighing in at 36g. I liked the weight, the lack of side buttons was the deal breaker for me and the fact it was wired. I liked the size of it and felt pretty nice in my hand but the wire was annoying to me and the lack of side buttons just made it not suitable for my gaming needs. I continued to mained the viper ultimate until the release of the viper v2 pro and ordered the hyper polling dongle as soon as it launched, 4k Hrz polling later updated to 8k hHrz polling. The v2 pro was a huge upgrade to me, lighter at 58g as opposed to 74G, and equipped with the Focus Pro 30K (PixArt PAW3950). This was mained until the release of the Viper Mini SE. i Originally passed on the first batch of the Viper Mini SE due to the price and having spent so much on the Viper V2 pro at launch and not having used it super long. But the beauty of the Viper Mini SE got to me. It really checked all the boxes I wanted in a mouse. Super light weight at 48.3 grams, High Polling 8k Hrz, amazing Build quality, and top tier sensor. The down side was the price tag. Once it came back in stock my Ex ordered it for me. I have since put it up for personal reasons and this led me on the journey to find my new main. So now here we are with the ATK U2. I started looking for a new mouse and didn't want to spend Razer, Logitech, Final Mouse kind of money on my next mouse. I stumbled onto a lot of different brands of Allie Express Mice and noticed something sub $70 8k polling support on a mouse. This caught my eyes. I also noticed they had it implemented for wired and wireless. Both my V2 Pro and Viper Mini SE only supported 8k in wireless mode which I always found silly and figured it had to do with the dongle having something in it that allowed it since the V2 Pro only came stock with the 1k dongle. I looked some more and noticed the the ATK F1 extreme supported the 8k polling wired/wireless and its shape is almost exactly as the hitscan hyperlight. Which is very close to the viper mini shape. Watched a lot of reviews on ATK and i ordered the F1 Extreme for about $69. My copy came in at 35.73g with 4 tiger ice v2 dot skates. I got it in the mail, got it out of the box and I was in love, boxed up my Viper mini SE and put it in storage. I had seen the zowie U2 shape and wanted to try it but never bought one. I had seen the ATK U2 on sale when I was looking for a new mouse but the 49 +/- weight was a turn off for me because I wanted a super light mouse sub 40g with 8k polling because i remembered loving the weight of the gwolves hsk wired and now sub 40g wireless is a thing. So after using the ATK F1 extreme i ordered the ATK U2 ultimate for about $56. TLDR over on to the review. My copy of the ATK U2 comes in at 52.31g with the stock skates. I got it from aliexpress so i don't know how the shipping from ATK’s Official site is. The unboxing experience is nice. It comes packed in a brown box that says ATK on it. Inside of that box is the mouse's actual box. It comes with an 8k dongle, a decent paracord cable on the stiffer side of paracord cables, and extra skates. I have not used extra skates. They say they are control skates. It also comes with grip tape as well. I don't like to use grip tape but its a nice addition. Software/Web Driver: ATK U2 has 2 ways to use the software for mouse adjustments: a web driver [ATK HUB](https://hub.atk.pro/) and the software. I use both. I prefer the web driver if I'm messing with settings for the mouse. It's just more fluid and it's easy to use in English. The software was in Chinese from the start for me a little messing around i got it working in English. I use the software if I want to quickly look at the battery level of the mouse. The web driver you have to add the mouse each time you load it if you close the browser. With the software you do not have too. Both Drivers are full of features and do the same things. Allows you to adjust DPI, Polling Rate, Angle, LOD, Dongle RGB setting, Key binds, and Firmware updates and much more. Only complaint I have about the software is that the Key binds do not have the ability to be paired to the application you use. This was a feature that kept me liking Logitech and razors software as buggy as synapse is. This is an easy fix honestly and I wished I found it sooner. I started using a program called X-mouse Button Control. This allows you to be able to implement your key binds using X-Mouse Button Control and set them up to be used on a per application basis i also set it up to have google cloud save my key binds to the cloud so i have thin in an event that i have to reformat my PC and don't have to go back the key binding process. X-Mouse Button Control fixes my only complaint about their software and its free and pretty light on computer Resources. [You can Get X-Mouse Button Control here](https://www.highrez.co.uk/downloads/xmousebuttoncontrol.htm) The Shell And Coating: The mouse has a nice coating; it feels kind of like a smooth matte texture. It's not a rough feeling like the V2 Pros texture. Not on the shell something felt off when compared to my old V2 Pro and I couldn't put my finger on it until I was reading some other reviews. The shell does not feel as dense. I have tried squeezing the mouse pretty hard more than you would put on the mouse in normal day to day use and I don't get any squeaking, creaking or flexing. So it is not a bad feeling that it feels less dense, it's just how it is. Battery life: I have not had the mouse dies once on me i have a bad habit of if i'm done i will toss the mouse on the charge that being said i have been running it at 8k polling and ran it multiple sessions without charging the 800mah battery makes 8k Hrz honestly feel like when i used 1k Hrz with older wireless tech. The Grip: The mouse honestly feels to me like it speaks to you. When I grabbed it for the first time my grip was pretty much locked in. It is one of the most comfortable mice I have used for my claw grip. Clicks and Scroll wheel: The Omron Opticals are on par with razer opticals in my opinion. They have a nice crisp click quick and easily spammable buttons. The side buttons feel great they are pretty good size not tiny and the placement of them is perfect it's designed in such a way i don't have to feel like i have to place my tomb in a specific place to hit the button it feels like my thumb wants to be there and the buttons just happen to be where they can be hit easily. The Scroll wheel is using the TTC Gold encoder. It feels amazing with great tactile steps. The scroll slick is easy to use and I have not gotten any accidental scrolls while clicking. The main chip: is the Nordic 52840 The Sensor: Not much to say they did a great job implementing the Pixart PAW3950. Honestly i feel its on Par with Razers implementation of it The Dongle: The dongle is ok. It has adjustable RGB which is nice. I would have liked the dongle to be smaller and more of a normal shape but it's not an added cost to the mouse, it's included with it and it works really well so all and all no gripes. All in all this is my favorite mouse, my new main. I liked it so much I bought a 2nd one on sale for around $49. I plan to do some mods to it, a battery weight reduction, use dot skates, and add qi charging to it. When I get my second copy in the mail I will make any updates I need to to this review. # ATK U2 = 10/10 Would Recommend

Razer is a gaming mouse company that makes the Vipers and DeathAdders that are best bought refurbished, I really wouldn't buy much of anything else from them. Their keyboards are way too expensive for what they compete with in the same price bracket nowadays, same with their headphones, and whatever else they make. If you ever own a razer mouse, get the software, choose your polling rates, and delete everything on your computer with the word razer on it.

Between the Deathadder and the OP1, which do you prefer for general use and gaming? I'm planning to replace my Viper Mini since it has a scroll wheel and side button issues at this point. I use a palm/claw grip and have a hand size around 18 cm x 9 cm. I mainly play CS2 and Fortnite. The previous mice that I've owned are the G305 and Lamzu Atlantis. I'm currently trying to look for a mouse that is a bit taller than my previous ones. It annoys me when my ring and pinky fingers graze the mouse pad while moving or swiping if I don't curl them enough.

A bigger mouse may not be better, you need a mouse that fits your hand , i had big mice but none realy felt good in my hand , then i tried a smaller mouse "razer viper" been in love with it ever since

Bought Razer Viper Mini 5 years ago. Such a good mouse.

I used to have a deathadder V2 (halo edition) and had to go to the Naga V2 hyperspeed as my adder died on me after a year. The Naga has been fantastic thus far, I'm a year and a half in and I love it. 12 side buttons, free spinning (and normal) scroll wheel, you can *sideclick* the scroll wheel (both directions) and customizable DPI from a button notched out of the Left mouse button. I don't know how similar to YOUR Naga it is, but I felt the need to specify. Out of all of razer mice I've owned the Naga V2 feels the best. Glorious Model O was my favourite by far but it's not an mmo style. (Or razer, lol) Little bit of extra context also: my Naga does NOT have the 'quick connect' side buttons like other models. Mine is an mmo style mouse and mmo style ONLY. Edit: I never put a list, but I owned 3 deathadders from the first edition, the v2 and the halo edition, 2 Nagas now (mmo and standard), as well as the... Viper? I think it's called. I didn't like it. The Naga is my favourite for versatility but the deathadder felt the nicest. It was also like $90 CAD. Downside is its a battery operated, takes a single AA

For size around Viper Mini, it's really hard to beat I also like L7 Pro and just got my hands on the Scyrox v6, but I keep going back to the Hyperlight as the micros on it feel so smooth. Not entirely sure but I'd guess it's the hump presence in combination with the low click height.

Im also using the viper mini its goated

I had a Viper Mini before so it didn't take long to get used to. The battery on the ultra is like 500mah while the Pro has 250mah.

Razer Viper Mini. The sturdiest mouse I have used to date.

Wow. That is a very tough question to answer since it is so subjective. For ME personally, considering my grip, handsize, weight preference, shape preference, I would have to say hitscan hyperlight, superlight 2c, or razer viper mini SE. But there are SO many factors at play here. Many think the viper V3 pro is the best on the market right now, which does not suit my needs.

Yeah it is just an amazing mouse. Arguably not worth the price though

If you see this: in your opinion Deathadder v3/4 Pro vs Viper V3 Pro. How different are they? I'm just starting to experiment with different shapes. I currently have the Deathadder V3 Pro. I tried the wired viper mini it's just way too small for me my pinky has nowhere to go and it causes me discomfort. Thinking about trying the full size viper but it doesn't really seem that much different from the Deathadder.

Hello, I have only used Razer mice since 2021 and would like to give feedback on the 3 mice I have had. \---------- **Razer Viper Mini** First I bought a Viper Mini in 2021, one of the best mouse I've had but the click wheel was no longer working after two years of use. So I changed the wheel click on the DPI change button through Synapse, and that button didn't hold for more than a year. \---------- **Razer Deathadder V3 N'1** Then I bought the Razer Deathadder V3, it was the best mouse I've ever had in terms of pure performance, but after a few months I had this [popular issue](https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/11/601900047372653565/) where the mouse kept disconnecting. If you type "Deathadder v3 wired disconnection issue" you will find a lot of posts about that. So I sent back this unit to Amazon last month and got it replaced by a new Deathadder V3 on May 12 2025. \---------- **Razer Deathadder V3 N'2** As soon as I received this second unit last month, I felt that the quality of the wheel design was not as good as my first one. It moves a bit left and right, and when I click on the wheel it scrolls slightly up or down. This makes this mouse unusable for FPS. [This issue, called "Mouse Jumping" is very popular too.](https://www.reddit.com/r/razer/comments/yyoauq/deathadder_v3_scroll_wheel_issue_mouse_jumping/) I had planned to send it back, again, but I still haven't done it because I don't have time to contact Amazon every week, so I've been using this mouse until today. And just today, one month and two days after receiving this second unit, I've noticed that it's now also suffering from the disconnection issue. This issue is identical to that of my first Deathadder V3, purchased almost a year ago, which demonstrates Razer's inaction on the quality of their mice. This unit therefore suffers from two popular issues, just one month after receiving it. \---------- What's more, Razer's support is very bad. Their RMA plateform is so buggy that I'm getting replies addressed to other customers telling me about “crackling sound with your Razer BlackShark V2 Pro”, nothing to do with my mouse. And they ask me to pay the price of the mouse for a return. Suffice to say, I was right to go through Amazon. So I'm going to send back this unit to Amazon, once again, and look for a new gaming mouse brand. After this experience, I wouldn't recommend buying a Razer mouse. And if you do, I strongly encourage you to buy it on a store with good RMA policies.

Razer’s mice from 2021+ generally don’t last more than two years. The scroll‑wheel click on my Viper Mini broke after 1.5 years, the cable on my Deathadder V3 failed after eight months, and my new Deathadder V3 developed the same cable issue as the first one within a month, along with a slight mouse‑jumping issue right from day one. Chinese‑made mice are now the way to go.

Imo Razer is not that good. I had everything from razer. headphones, mouse, mousepad, keeb etc. and I can say that the overall build quality is bad, but razer makes good switches. Switches in razer huntsman mini are really good. Edit: Headphones - Razer kraken first gen and Razer kraken X USB - broken after 5 months (Same happened to all my friends) Mouse - Razer basilisk X and Razer Viper - Viper fast teardown and rattling problem, basilisk - Sometimes it was losing connection (the receiver was 1m away from the mouse) Keyboard - Actually good I still have it

Thank god I got attached to the OP1 shape, I had the same issue of 27 mice. * OP1 8K White + Corepads * OP1w v2 4K Dark Frost * OP1we White * XM1r Dark Frost * Starlight Pro TenZ Small + Tiger ICE * HSK Plus Lite Pink * Hati S Ace Wireless + Corepads * Hati S Plus 4K Transparent Black * Hati S Plus 4K White + Obsidian Dots * Hati S Plus Classic + Ghostglide Dots * HTX 4K Ruby Red + Obsidian Dots * Lamzu Atlantis Mini * Logitech G Pro Superlight White * Pulsar X2 Super Clear Mini * Pulsar X2H Mini Black * Pulsar Xlite Mini Black + Corepads + Grips * Pulsar Xlite V2 Red * Razer Orochi V2 White + Superglides * Razer Viper Mini + Corepads * Sprime PM1 * Vaxee NP-01S Blue Wireless + BTL Grips * Vaxee NP-01S White * Vaxee Outset AX Funspark * Vaxee XE White * Xtrfy MZ1 + Corepads * Zowie EC2-A + Corepads * Zowie ZA13-C + Corepads

I got one...been searching for an upgrade to my wireless for years. Picked up the Razer mini that went on sale for $20 a month back, but that one had a bad switch, so I returned it. Hopefully better luck with this model/make!

Razer viper mini wired Works like a charm More than 3 years to that mouse

Everyone hates the clicks on the Deathadder and viper. I find them to be most satisfying out of any mice I’ve owned. They are very.. I dunno, surgical?

Razer Viper Mini is overrated and doesn’t need an “Ultimate” version. I am ready for your downvotes.

then enjoy your 2.4hz intermittent connection. I will 100% use viper mini or g203 over some cheap 2021 wireless mouse

razer viper mini cost me around 900 php last 2 years ago..

I think Razer products are cheaper on EliteHub compared to Amazon. I have been using the Razer Viper Mini for the past two years and I think the Cobra is similar to the Viper Mini. I have not encountered any issues with the mouse.

Xtrf1 mz1 , but I upgrade because of 1000hz/no optic switch for a magnésium razer viper mini signature. But to be honnest I truly want my mz1 with 8000hz/ optic switch and magnésium instead of my razer.

yea like a viper might be the best out there but not by a mile. although i do love mine

I have razer viper mini. Its so light and easy to flick around ✨️

i have it, Ill write some pros and cons: \+ its cheap (i got it for like 60 euro or less) \+ its also quite light to the hand. its lighter than the previous one, but its not really the lighest on the market, Id say its somewhere in the middle. \+ 30000 dpi with polling rate up to 8000 from the standard 1000 (higher polling rates needs better cpu, but also it works weird with different games: minecraft, osu, league lag when you move your mouse with higher polling rate than 2000. Somehow counter strike 2 does not have that issue so I play it with 8000.) Also in the software it says that higher polling rate increases cpu usage, so it these problems may just be on my side, its not really a problem, just a little bit annoying. I usually just swap profiles when I change games. \+ you can find parts for it pretty easily \- razer product = you have to use their software :/ \- I dont know if its a me issue, but sometimes sensor lags the mouse - I move mouse to the left, and I get laggy, slowish, weird movement on the screen. After blowing its usually fine. Ive got a no name black mat, but im planning on switching since its old. That may be the issue but I dont really know \- scroll wheel is annoying. slippery af - I tried to clean it with isopropyl alcohol many times but I just couldnt make it work Overall I recommend it a lot, just because I got it for cheap. Its a good mouse.

Installing itself before windows (like really?) Random crashes/bugs that make me have to close every razer app in task manager to restart it correctly. Some days my keyboard wont function and I have to unplug it and plug it back in for it to work, same for kraken headphones and its thingy with thx audio. I have macros set up on side buttons, when I turn off the computer, they reset, but only on one specific profile, When I tried to ask razer support to fix it, we went through some weird hoops, where they recommended to install synapse 4 (I was on 3 because it did work and because all my devices want to install 3, so why would I go for 4? id have both apps at once, nice one razer btw) so after I uninstalled synapse 3 like their instruction asked, I restarted pc, but then all input devices were gone. mouse, keyboard were not working. I tried swapping to a different one, it also did not work. I couldnt log in to my own pc. I could get it to work in safeboot mode, and thru that I could go back to before i uninstalled synapse. Im calm typing this, but back then I was so mad. I havent seen anybody having same problem, but thats still on them or/and their software. Nonetheless Im not going to throw their products out of the window instantly, but Im not going to buy them anymore. Id still recommend the mouse tho, its really cheap for the great sensor it has.

i have used the normal viper mini and it was great my hand size is 17.5 x 10 do you think the V8 is good for me? or is it a bit big

I’ll also chime in and say that, as someone with basically the same hand size, I love my fenrir asym. I started with the viper mini -> orochi -> fan tech aria xd7, finger tip grip on all of them, but switching to a finger tip mouse was awesome, to the point now where It feels uncomfy and clunky to use a full sized mouse. The asym is also a noticeable upgrade from the HSK line ( I mained a HSK pro for a couple years), the larger size feels much better and the shape is better IMO. It’s certainly the case that the type of mouse is a love or hate kind of situation, but as a finger tip grip main it’s a godsend. I’ll also add I hard disagree that the mouse isn’t meant for tac FPS’ (a common sentiment I’ve seen). I’ve maintained immortal 3 in Val for a while with this mouse shape, feels great. Again, certainly personal preference but i dont think the shape is inherently bad, just how it suits you personally

This is exactly what I'm going through right now. Ultimately I'd like to find a mouse with a shape thats an evolution of the g305. I've been looking at elo shapes to find a similar mouse but they don't really provide the curves of the mouse just the overall silhouette and size. Some of the mouse I've tried are the Razer Orochi v2, fantech aria, Razer viper, mchose l7, pulsar x2h, zaopin z1. So far I've liked the fantech aria shape the most out of all the mice I've tried but there hasn't been anything quite like the g305 shape other than ofcourse it's clone mice.

Go for viper mini shape, atk f1 or hitscan hyperlight have the best clones out there rn

Try the Razer Viper Mini its Lightweight, compact, and very comfortable for small hands.

If you want a Razer Viper Mini, get a Razer Viper Mini. It'll be as good as any other mouse from a name brand.

Rakk Dasig - heavy at 90g, outdated 3325 G102 - heavy at 85g, outdated 1855 Aula SC580 - heavy and another 3325, better build quality than Rakk Dasig at least Viper Mini - 3359 is old but acceptable, high lift off distance (preference), good but relatively slow skates. Actually usable weight (60 ish grams) too bad its discontinued and there are no viper minis that arent fakes below 1k, the razer cobra (viper mini replacement) starts at 2k. Hawk 1 - avoid Garuda Gear brand as a whole, too many quality control issues Attack Shark X11 - old 3311 sensor, avoid their sub 1k mice and go straight to 3395 like their Attack Shark X3 VXE R1 - build quality issue, luck of the draw depending on the batch you get. Go straight to R1 Pro for higher chance of better QC, issues dont show up until weeks or months in use (switches or scroll wheel is usually first to show issues, shell creaking and slam clicking problems as well but those are rarer with the model I mentioned) Only mouse I would consider from that list is VXE R1, but you're better off saving 2k+ for more better options

nope, original wired Viper Mini (apparently its the revision with the Razer V2 opticals)

Sensor tech has peaked and plateaud so you're likely not going to find a difference because your baseline mouse sensor wise is already good. Main upgrade would be the clicks, coating, skates and build. My Viper Mini's scroll wheel started having issues after only 4 months in (though thats just a common Razer issue not specifically an RVM issue) and after 3 years it started creaking from being pressed from the side (honestly impressed it lasted that long) Take the newest mouse that I know of to try and clone the Viper Mini shape, Delux M800 Mini (Pro version with the 3395): Sensor: probably wont feel a difference on 1k though you get higher polling rates on the M800 Mini Clicks: TTC Opticals on the M800 Mini give you a much more tactile experience compared to the older V1/V2 Razer Opticals (depending on what year you bought your RVM from, but they're both dull feeling either way), scroll wheel also better by default. Coating: Viper Mini used textured plastics for grip, whereas new chinese mouse like the M800 Mini nowadays use rubberized coating that gets grippier the sweatier your hands get Skates: good quality on both mouse, but still on the controlled side of speed, would recommend switching out after some use (though skate switching is more annoying on the viper because of the plastic sensor ring that protrudes outward so you need thicker skates so the middle doesnt scrape on your pad) Build: the RVM is 61g and built like a tank on a good copy, M800 Mini doesnt try to go as light as the other options like Scyrox, ATK and VXE who aim for 36g-ish weight and go for a modest 47g which means more can be put towards keeping the build of the mouse more rigid so you get the benefit of lower weight without risking long term issues of side creaking. Additionally, Value: if you wanted to buy a wireless version of the Viper Mini from Razer they would have you spend $100 on a Razer Cobra Hyperspeed which is still 60grams with worse weight balance than the wired rvm and the hump isnt as high as on the rvm. Meanwhile M800 Mini (Pro variant) is around $30-$50 depending on where you get it and is closer to the RVM shape hump wise with slightly tapered sides at the front. Delux M800 Mini is not the only option for a RVM vs new mouse comparison, most of the other rvm middle hump inspired shapes usually have similar specs to the M800 maybe with better qc, better stock skates or newer sensor (like ATK F1 Extreme/Hitscan Hyperlight) its just up to you whether you think its worth paying extra for those

amazing how fast it was on eloshapes, very similar to the size and shape i use, viper mini and similars, just cause of that i will be tempted to try it.

Viper mini shape should be much better (119mm)

This is viper mini replacement mouse, i have one, cheap and good. selling at this price point nothing much to complain.

It's all dependent but on your grip and size. I also claw and prefer a smaller mouse, and my hand fits a "medium" plastic glove snugly, so I think it's on the small-medium range. That said, the two mice I've been very satisfied with are Steel series Rival 3, and Razer Viper Mini. Try to give them a shot, might work for you.

My friend and I bought two VGN F1 SE mice for $25 each, and they are much worse than my Razer Viper Mini and his Pulsefire Haste. So, we're both looking for Razer and HyperX wireless models. Additionally, all Chinese mice have terrible software. I usually bind the side buttons on the mouse to applications, but Chinese mice almost never support this (they use OEM software from the controller manufacturer), which is just awful.

It's not as good as they say it is. It gives a lot for a minimal price. That's all. My hand is 18 cm, I use a Viper Mini, I haven't held anything more comfortable in terms of shape in my hands. Size is subjective.

Definitely the best gaming mouse

Since u have small hands. Try a viper mini from store. If u like it get Atk f1 mouse

I mostly play wow,overwatch and BFV. I'm really enjoying my reddragon 811 pro. It has onboard memory so works flawlessly on linux too. You could also look into m913 impact if you want more buttons for keybinds. Reddragon MMO mice are pretty good. Cheaper too atleast here in the EU. I use my viper mini for fps games.

i have 21.5 x 10, and honestly my progression with viper mini -> vxe r1 pro max -> scyrox v6 is great. i also use claw.

In terms of feeling, Zowie ZA series is number 1 for me. When I hold it it feels like home. That's when I used to palm grip. I tried that at local store and I never owned one so idk how my aim perform with that. Currently I owned 2 mice. Viper Mini and GPX, my main. But I like the Viper Mini shape way more than the GPX. If the Viper Mini was wider, that would've been my main anyday of the week.

18.5 cm x 10 cm hands. I love the HTS shape. I've always gripped my mouse in a claw fingertip hybrid where I fingertip at rest but I move my arm forward and pull the mouse into a claw grip when I feel I need it. I couldn't necessarily tell you when I do claw my mouse or fingertip it specifically but I change subconsciously depending on the situation. I think it's the ideal grip for me since I get the stability of claw when I need it but also the precision of fingertip when I need that. One of my first mice was the Viper Mini and this might be where I got used to this, but between wanting wireless and just wanting to buy mice as a hobby I got into different shapes, small and big, ergo and ambi, but I returned full circle to the ATK F1 Ultimate for the Viper Mini shape for this reason. At least until a week ago when my HTS Ultra came in. I ordered the HTS Ultra, not for the shape, but rather to feed my chase of the lowest weight possible. I have to say though, even they are both small ambi mice and do great for a claw fingertip hybrid, the HTS shape is better for me by a large margin. The main thing that is improved for me is how the far back of the mouse tapers off. The HTS hump falls very quickly at the end while the Viper Mini shape feels more flat and gradual. This basically means that the mouse contacts my palm higher up compared to the Viper shape. Which, while I don't know exactly why, feels a lot more stable. If I had to guess though, it would be that the thenar part of my hand is pretty meaty and less contact in that position means my thumb is less restricted and thusly that moving my thumb does not interfere with my claw. So I love this mouse and would have no problem recommending it to someone who knows they like the HTS shape from the past, but I honestly don't know if I'd recommend it to someone over the Hitscan Hyperlight based off Gwolves Customer support, especially if they don't have any reference to know if they like one shape over the other. I just trust Hitscan more than ATK or GWolves based on what I hear from each of them. Overall though I'm really glad I took the chance and experimented with the shape. The ATK F1 has no spot on my desk anymore and I'm kinda glad to not have to deal with the issues I've had with it. Secondary mouse is the Waizowl OGM Pro V2 only for casual games where I'd prefer comfort. I palm grip it in those scenarios and appreciate the flatter hump falloff specifically for palm.

I wouldn't really say it feels cramped per se. If I never fingertipped the Viper Mini shape would be great for just a claw as I can get a good claw on it. Specifically for the grip style I have though where I switch between fingertip and claw it's very difficult to just pull back the mouse and get into that claw

I've been through the same frustrations. My G502 started double-clicking, and then the Razer Viper had scroll issues. I eventually switched to the PowerColor Alphyn AM10 and it's been solid for me. No double-clicks, no scroll wheel glitches, and the build feels reliable. It’s wireless but you can still charge it, and the polling rates and sensor perform great even in fast-paced games. Definitely worth a look if you're done with Logitech and Razer.

If you have a smaller hand size the Cobra is a really comfortable mouse for productivity and gaming. I daily the Viper Mini SE and they are very close in size and shape. If I didn’t have the mini I would still be using a cobra!

Depends the price you’re getting I suppose but I really like the Razor Viper for a good budget mouse. But the best mouse IMO is the Logitech Superlight 2

Razer viper mini, had mine for 3 years, no issue aside from the mousewheel. Very reliable

I have the same grip and am 18x8.5. I like the Atlantis Mini and Pulsar X2 Crazylight mini. Both of these have had good QC in my experience and seem to have similar reports online from others. They're pretty similar; I mainly use my X2 for tracking games like Apex and my Atlantis for clicking/flicking stuff like tac shooters and MOBAs. Pros of X2: * better clicks * more tactile scroll wheel * lighter Pros of Atlantis: * scroll wheel takes less effort (pro in my case for tap strafing in Apex but could be a con if you use scroll to cycle your inventory in games) * more forward sensor position (pro/con depending on your preference) I've tried the Endgame gear op1w and didn't like how narrow it was. Superlight 2 was too big for me. Beast X mini was too small. Pulsar X2h basically same shape as X2 but I didnt like that the hump was higher. Viper mini I like the shape but its kinda outdated (and the signature edition so hard to find)

I've been using my Razer Viper Mini for 3 years and still no issue. I can't even find another mouse that fits nicely in my hand

I've been using my Razer Viper Mini for 3 years and still no issue. I can't even find another mouse that fits nicely in my hand

I've been using my Razer Viper Mini for 3 years and still no issue. I can't even find another mouse that fits nicely in my hand

Viper with its straight design i would say. Resistance on all directions will be equal.

Mouse: Pulsar Xlite V3es / modded ftip Viper Mini Mousepad: just a generic 450x400 control pad. Keyboard: Mad60HE Headphones: KZ EDC Pro / Redragon H848 CS2/Val (playing more OW2 recently) Hows the atk 99g holding up? I plan to buy the Air variant also since they offer a smaller size to fit my desk.

Viper mini gang 🔥🔥 Been using this for YEARS its just so perfect especially for my small hands

Personally, I'll go with one of the following: Logitech g304/305 or g502, Razer Orochi or Viper, Attack Shark X3, VXE R1, Fantech Aria XD7 (Currently using this)

RVMSE is the mouse that made me want a magnesium mouse like that. When WL mouse came out with their products I jumped on them when the Max came out. No regrets. The viper mini is wayyy to small for me, but it is the reason I fell in love with this design.

I find that interesting. I had a string of G502s fail after just a couple months of use . I switched to a Razer Viper and have had basically zero issues in the couple years I’ve had it.

I find that interesting. I had a string of G502s fail after just a couple months of use . I switched to a Razer Viper and have had basically zero issues in the couple years I’ve had it.

I find that interesting. I had a string of G502s fail after just a couple months of use . I switched to a Razer Viper and have had basically zero issues in the couple years I’ve had it.

I use an MMO mouse with 1-12 on the side. Program those buttons to whatever you like, for example in FPS’ I use 4 as melee and 5 as grenade, etc. I’ve used razer naga molten, v2 and I just bought hyperspeed, love them. I’d recommend something like that. https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/ff3c0108-ae4d-4e03-a3ac-6c69a45d4e22.f6153b072aacaf0ff4f99182a3db7949.jpeg

First of all. Shape is king. Don't be worried about all the new optical tech and weight reduction. As someone who owns about 24 mice I've come to appreciate shape more than anything. There's no point in a weight class if your hand is gonna cramp in the first hour you're playing. At that point it doesn't matter what new tech is in the mouse or how feathery light it is. You're going to develop carpal tunnel down the line if you go at it like that. First, measure your hand and if you have the opportunity to test more in person like at an electronics store or if you have a friend that can let you borrow their mice with a different shape then your own go for it. I also highly encourage you watch different mouse reviews of different mice once you sort of come to that conclusion. The og Viper Ultimate is an excellent starting point to jump off of when exploring different mice. If I may, here are some things to consider/ look for when looking into other mice. - First of all, your Viper Ultimate is a bit of a flat mouse. The Viper Mini is wired but has a bit of a hump. This is highly subjective among gamers/ mouse enthusiasts because it affects how your palm is placed on the mouse itself. - Wired or not wired. Some prefer it wireless so there's no drag, but there are some mice that have very light braided cables or rubber cables. I personally use a Roccat Kone Pure Ultra that I switch off from my Ninjutso Sora. Please note that wired DOES add weight to the mouse, but depending on what kind of cable and if you use a mouse bungee or not will affect your gameplay. Having it wired never really bothered me. - Speaking of shape is king, there are mice that have different shapes and button layouts that you may find interesting. As I said before, The Roccat Kone Pure Ultra is one of my favorite mice in my collection. My first ever mouse was the older Roccat Owl Eye and I loved it for its shape. It has a bit of a curve that makes it more of a right hand mouse, but as a right handed person the curve actually suited my grip style. It also uses Titan mechanical switches that feel crisp to me. Is it faster than the switches in Razer's newer mice? Probably not, but I personally prefer the feel of the press over the latency test in game, which are marginal at best in my own personal testing. My other favorite mouse is the g502. Consider it's shape, multiple button options and the infinite scroll wheel where you can toggle a switch to have the scroll wheel spin instead of click in steps. It's heavier even without weights, but it's a comfortable mouse that also doubles as a nice productivity mouse for work. I would look into if having more buttons for your gaming/ productivity for work would be beneficial for your setup. - Don't worry about things like 8k polling rates or the newer switches that gets put into the newer mice. Unless you have an extremely beefy PC and a crazy monitor you won't really see those returns. Even if you had those in your setup, your performance still comes down to how comfortable you are to land your shots. Remember, even back then during the early days of Twitch and competitive online gaming that made certain streamers rich and famous, even they started off using wired mice. Ninja used a Logitech G502 and even used his own Finalmouse Ninja collab for years before going wireless. It just goes to show that practicing with the mouse that feels the most comfortable is what works. I hope this helps!

I am using Razer Viper Mini. It is a best budget mouse. I would recommend. I am using it for 2 years , its best, you will have no regret. Never go for logitech cheap mouse. There wires are no good.

Razer viper mini. It’s a great mouse have had mine for years and it still works perfectly. It’s right at the 40$ mark, it’s a really light wired mouse with low friction mouse feet so it glides pretty well

So true, I got the Razer Viper mini on release and no real flaws with it. I kept switching looking for the perfect mouse but ended up going back to it and have stuck with it for almost 3 years now.

Okay legitimately though razer viper mini is super light but I absolutely love it, 40 bucks or something too

Check out [prosettings](https://prosettings.net/lists/league-of-legends/) They mostly detail stuff for CS and Valorant pros where peripheral changes are a more popular topic. So the league list isn't exhaustive and not 100% up to date. As with other games, variants of the Razer Viper and Logitech G Pro dominate the list. But the G703, G903, and Deathadder also make appearances. Niche lightweight brands like Vaxeee and Finalmouse that have made inroads in CS and Valorant don't have much traction in league.

Unless I'm mistaken isn't the "Faker edition" of the v3 more similar to the v2 in some aspects? Also the drama of him being the guy on every death adder box, getting a signature edition, then switching to the viper because of wrist issues, then switching back to the deathadder? If I am remembering my insane Faker mouse timeline correctly?

Pretty similar to the Viper Mini. But with a very annoying click sound

Logitech G Pro 2 Lightspeed or another Razer Viper

I've had that happen to the cobra and two viper minis... OP1's scroll has been solid so far.

Well, now I bought the Razer Pro Click V2 Vertical, using it together with my Razer Viper mini Signature Edition, which is more than 100g lighter than the vertical. For me who plays competitive wuthering waves, I’d say the vertical is very nice to have in terms of speed-running. I actually feel arthritis using the Viper Signature even paired with the Razer Firefly V2 Pro mouse mat and the Razer mouse palm rest. Sure I’m losing out on 8k polling rate which is a huge draw back for me, but for 3 man team speed running, fast, non stopping clicking is the key and the Proclick V2 vertical can really leverage my muscle pain for it

yeah please do i have a viper mini rn and it's wayyy too small for my hands

the goat razer viper mini

the goat razer viper mini

doesnt the viper mini feel cramped, I have 18x9 hands and my viper mini feels hella cramped now

I'm 5'6'' so my hands are on the smaller side. I love the Razer Viper Mini. Perfect mouse for me.

I need a new mouse with 2 side buttons, I currently have the razed viper mini but I’ve had it for a long time and need a replacement. So I need some recommendations of a mouse with the lowest latency thats also ~$60, no more than $80 please. Thank you

Yea it’s pretty good especially for the price ive had it for like 3 yrs but I need a replacement now. It’s a rlly good first mouse

bought Viper mini in 2022, until now i am still using it, just looking for new wireless gaming mouse so i can use in office

Make it simple: **Hand size:** horizontal and vertical, measure it pinky to thumb with palm firm. And middle finger to bottom of your palm. **Grip style:** fingertip, claw, palm. **Budget:** Personally knowing you’re not really in the situation to splurge money, just save up a good chunk of money and get a good mouse. If you’re really in the need of a new mouse, I think globally the g304 and the Razer Cobra (viper mini) are at 30-40usd each. Those are ambi-dexterous mice and will run minimum of 2 years without a hiccup. Unless, you can. You can get Mchose M7pro or any of the well reputed Chinese mice ranging from 50-70usd. They will be light weight and 8k hz polling rate.

I had this mouse and had 7 copies my only issue with the og rvm is the scroll wheel it's shit breaks easily and the high lod now the razer cobra fixed this issue I had on the rvm it's still using the same Old encoder of the rvm but I sold my cobra wired because I prefer my ec3-c.

I've been meaning OP1 8K Purple Frost, but I think the Viper Mini will always be my favorite shape.

yup have had mine since launch with MANY hours played. recently desk slammed it and all that happened was the rgb shroud popped off cleanly. i played with it like that for a bit but didn't like how bright the rgb looked with the internals open, so just popped the shroud back on and good as new.

viper mini is the goat. i got glass skates and a mouse bungee for mine.

I have the razer hyperspeed, don't get it. It uses batteries and weighs so much unless you get special batteries. Haven't had 1 and 2 but go with one of them

usually any optical mice the optical mech click will never break before the rest of the mouse even with gateron/kailhua optical switches. I have a cheap shitty razer viper I got for $25 with optical mouse click and my issue is the scroll wheel is breaking.

Its good performance it's just razer build quality.

I'd say the viper

Hindi na issue kung ano man yung stock switch niya kasi hotswappable, hindi na kailangan magsolder for replacing switches. May 2 pairs na switch na kasama, Outemu & Kailh. Ok pa naman yung stock switches pero ang gamit ko ngayon Outemu pink dot blue shell switches na binili sa Shopee. May bad experience na ako sa mouse na may optical switch(Viper Mini), yung scroll wheel yung bumigay 😢 Almost 3 years na yung Pulse Elite ko and okay pa naman yung ibang buttons/scroll wheel.

My razer viper mini has served me well for almost 6 years of consistent use lol. Ive dropped and smacked this mouse several times but it never failed me. Not sure how y’all are breaking it so quickly.

My razer viper mini has served me well for almost 6 years of consistent use lol. Ive dropped and smacked this mouse several times but it never failed me. Not sure how y’all are breaking it so quickly.

My razer viper mini has served me well for almost 6 years of consistent use lol. Ive dropped and smacked this mouse several times but it never failed me. Not sure how y’all are breaking it so quickly.

Amazing choice, but what made you buy this instead of the VV3 Pro and how do you like it for fingertip, I have similar hand size to you (23x 11.5)  and been maining the viper mini for afew years and just switched back to the viper ultimate because my hands were getting some cramps from long sessions and found the viper ultimate to be amazing for fingertip with my hand size and fixed my problem with wrist aiming stability on high sens

I have 23x11 hands and the viper mini for me is much better than the viper ultimate, i'am rocking a fingertip / claw hybrid where only the my fingertips are in contact with the mouse and the thumb joint supporting it from the back left of the mouse[the grip](https://imgdrop.io/album/Viper-mini-23x11-fingertip-hybrid.fkat)

Well, I guess it's horses for courses. I tried the Viper, and I had really high hopes for the Corsair Scimitar Elite, but I really couldn't handle the software - I'm not one for all that rainbow unicorn shit and both Synapse and iCue seemed intent on destroying my minimalist colour scheme, as well as being almost impossible to consistently program macros to the buttons. At least with LGHUB, even though we all curse it, when it works it just works, and I found the SteelSeries software tolerable.

i mean lightweight and big dont usually go together when it comes to mice, and if it does it will cost a fortune. bigger/lightweight options could be something like a pulsar xlite v4/3 large, Deathadder V3 Pro or a Pwnage Stormbreaker Max CF. only problem is that those are all very expensive (most likely outside of rhe budget toud be going for) there are some cheap mice on amazon such as the attack shark x3/x11/x6 which are all ~50g but would probably be on the "thinner" side as you said. the cheapest mouse i would recommend is the Razer Viper Mini. you lose the wireless and size but its light, reliable and very cheap.

I would recommend Razer Viper V3 pro if you have the budget for it or Logitech super light 2, both have the best grip, and the best design if you talk about the usage, and if you are low on budget, the most eco friendly mouse which is super popular too is razer viper mini. All these mouse will give you a long life with the best hand grip!!! I am personally using the Viper V3 Pro and by far I have never played a better mouse than this!!!! https://preview.redd.it/766f0f40wq8f1.jpeg?width=394&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ad00f8366a0aea1b568a0c90fc1f7292c17ed83

Well that leaves razer viper mini and corsair harpoon too!!! Best of luck finding a mouse

I have relatively bigger hands, and yeah I hold it near the same way. I am using g502 and viper, g502 is simply for work, it has many buttons, and viper is only because it is light...(I use gpro also)

first proper gaming mice i have and still use to this day: the razer viper mini

I tested many but ended up liking the viper mini a little and liking the op1 A LOT. It was quite an advance but I don't consider it an "endgame" for me. I tried some "medium/large" mice with a smaller hump like vv3 (for what we call relaxed claw). I'm still a little lost, I feel like I have greater control on smaller mice but my hand muscles fatigue faster, maybe I'll take a look at a beastx someday. Thanks for the suggestions

Viper mini was too big for me. Im maining the Zaopin z1 pro now, never felt like mouse control/comfort are an issue when losing a game with it. Felt that all the time with my previous mice.

Only mouses i had and can suggest are g203 prodigy,g305,razer viper mini. Also g pro might be an option

If you dont want to spend too much for wired i can suggest logitech g203 prodigy or razer viper mini which i used both in the past. Although wireless mouses last pretty long,if the mouse doesnt have a charging deck and just uses battery,u can buy rechargable battery pack which isnt pricey and a recharger. Im using a wireless g305 rn and the battery it came with lasted me like 6 months before it started bugging out. Ive gone through 3 batteries so far and only charged them once.

I would say its overhyped. Ofc some products are good,personally i only had a few razer products and my experience with them was good until it wasnt. Viper mini which was awesome,still have the mouse but it developed scroll wheel problem after only 1 year. Kraken x headset which works fine but recently the headband cracked making the headset not sit comfortable. Had to buy a new headset and got blackshark v2 x and for the price so far i like it. Sound is good,music sounds great with decent bass. It sits comfortable on the head. Only downsides for this headset is that the earcups need to be adjusted by eye,there isnt any marking to know if they are even on both sides. Also if the volume on pc is at 100% u need to set it to 40-50% on headphones or it will be way too loud

Both are solid mice, just depends how much you value wireless vs wired. I will say, the older Viper shape is more similar to the Taipan. The Logitech Pro is more of a potato. I think both have buttons on both sides, as the older g pro had ones you could insert.

Great writeup. Mine arrived yesterday. It will be replacing my VV3P as I like the ergo shape of the DAV4P more. The improved battery life @ 1000Hz is a very welcomed change as well. I find myself charging my Viper every 4-5 days. The skates/glide on the V4 is far more glidier than my V3 as well.

Razer Viper Mini is a great wired option for around 1.5k or below. For wireless options I dont know any that I haven't read qc issues about, maybe something from Rakk? If you can stretch to like 1.8k you can get them the Logitech G304 Lightspeed, a classic and reliable wireless mouse.

I owned the Viper Mini and V2 pro and both started giving me problems after respectively 1 and 2 years, they are good mice but the quality does not justify their prices. It's insane that not even after 2 years a 150 euros mouse has scroll wheel problems and the sensor started to be "laggy" in certain moments, razer will not see my moneys ever again

I have 5 mice but Razer viper mini always stays on the desk

There are specialty shops in FaceBook that can replace the switches of your Logitech G203. They can even mod the mouse and upgrade the switches to something better. Even replace the cable with something softer and causes less drag. If your hand is already accustomed to the G203 shape, feel, and weight then having the mouse modded might be a good option. Other than that, the only suggestion I have to eliminate double clicking issues is to go with a mouse using optical switches. The cheap Razer Viper Mini I'm using has not double-clicked since I bought it in ***2021***.

Literally whatever is comfortable for you. I've yet to meet another person on this planet with hands as large as mine and I'm very comfortable and happy using a razer viper mini. I've used many mice in my life but the smaller mice are the most comfortable for me. Honorable mention to the razer Mamba mouse which was probably my favorite mouse of all time. Sadly it served its 7 years of service and they no longer sell them

I highly recommend checking out Pulsar's options! There's the X2A which will give you 4 side buttons that are programmable. Their wireless options are also very good, without any blatant input lag. The cables are also way nicer than I've seen from Razer or Logitech, I had a Viper mini awhile back, but had to return it because it felt cheap and the cable was so stiff it'd push the mouse on its own. All of their mice have mini versions which have been perfect for my hands, which are pretty small. There's also the Coolermaster MM711, It's very small and comfy, and has a top of the line sensor for a pretty cheap price. Also if you can find it, the HK Gaming Mira S is nice, and it comes in some different colorways other than just the plain old black or white. Logitech and Razer have some nice offerings, but personally I'd avoid them. Logitech's offerings are genuinely good but their higher end options are crazy expensive compared to other brands. Razer has just always been overhyped in my experience. I've had half a dozen mice from them and each and every one has just been *okay* while being 2x the price of lesser-known brands that give you the same performance with higher quality plastics, and software that doesn't use up a bunch of background resources :/ Also honourable mention to endgame gear, the OP1 might be a nice fit for you, it's a smidge bigger than the Pulsar X2H mini -which is what I currently use- but it's still fairly small compared to most mice.

razer viper mini is my end game, i have 7 of them in my cupboard. Dont care about anything else.

You could get the razer viper for 1.9k but do not buy razer deathadder v2x, I bought it a few months ago and it's been a horrible experience. The mouse disconnects randomly both with 2.4hz and bluetooth connection.

Razer Viper is available on Flipkart for 1.9k Definitely the best mouse you could get from a decent brand with 2 years warranty. It has mechanical switches which last longer than optical switches.

Viper Mini or Cobra for me. Only issue is mouse wheel sucks but Idc about it.

I’ve had the same razer viper mini for like 2-3 years and it’s awesome. Not very expensive either

If you like small and light mice and can get one without paying scalping prices the Viper Mini Signature edition from Razer is my favorite.

>I threw them all due to double click issues. My wired logitech g102 begging me to let go rn because I have been using it for 5 years. Every 6 -8 months I open up the casing and fix the double clicking issue. However the last time, the wheel became problematic and diffcult to scroll so I had to switch to a Razer Viper Mini. Logitech still works as backup mouse

To anyone shopping for a new mouse right now: Don't just blindly look at #1 and buy that. While there are objective details that make one mouse better than another, there are also very important subjective concerns. The Superlight is a phenomenal mouse on paper, for example, but my hand simply can't stand the shape of it. For the longest time I also felt I didn't like Razer's products, but it's actually their Viper that finally ended my search for a mouse. To that point, you probably should try to resist the temptation to swear allegiance to any particular brand. These companies improve (and degrade) over time. This is pretty good advice for shopping in the tech world in general, honestly, and you'll see in the comments that a lot of people struggle with it lol

I don't have small hands, but I have to suggest the Razer Viper Mini. A bit above average price, but the Razer mice are smooth as silk, and even I managed to use it occasionally from time to time, though mostly steering with my palm. Just a couple extra buttons, iirc, but very responsive. I don't think it had its own DPI speed button like the standard Razer Viper, but it has an easy Razer download suite available online. Additionally, they've been out there a while, you might get one resale for cheap. My Amazon has it for $80, but for like new at $40.

RAZER VIPER MINI SIGNATURE EDITION

Funny enough my deathadder lasted years, my G403 gave out after like a year, a zowie lasted 2 years, and my current $14 used viper mini is still fine after 5-ish years.

Funny enough my deathadder lasted years, my G403 gave out after like a year, a zowie lasted 2 years, and my current $14 used viper mini is still fine after 5-ish years.

Funny enough my deathadder lasted years, my G403 gave out after like a year, a zowie lasted 2 years, and my current $14 used viper mini is still fine after 5-ish years.

Viper is nice. I liked the form of the deathadder myself. It's still superlight and responsive. Just felt a little nicer to my hand.

i agree with this, i always find most mice with hourglass sides to be quite uncomfortable even if i aim well with them (viper v2, viper mini, hts/htx) but i always find a gripe with where my ring finger goes. at the end of the day its preference anyways but i'd like more brands to explore this a little more in a competitive level product, like a pro version of the G309

Viper mini was not bad just search in reddit this words "gpx scroll wheel "

Went through a ton of mice cause its a small hobby of mine. Concluded that shape/ergonomics is king. Fingertip grip - small hand. I currently use a Razer Hyperspeed DAv3. Eyeing the upcoming Logitech Superstrike to see if haptics are a gimmick or not (they probably are, lol). I use a vertical mouse for work to change up the hand position. Previous tried mice: * Superlight DEX - Logitech, reliable software, shape was a bit too big for my hands. Great otherwise. * G203 - Got like 2-3 copies of it, oldest one being when it released way back when. Extremely good budget mouse. I prefer ergonomic shape rather than symmetrical shape nowadays though. * Viper Mini - One of my favorite shapes but kept having QC issues. Scroll wheel would break. I'm wary of Razer nowadays even though I currently use one - fingers crossed. * Glorious Model O- -Buggy software kept reseting my button programs, so I ragequit Glorious.

I got a 2nd hand one for 2k, it was the viper mini, and it's an immensely good mouse.

Premium? Razer Viper Mini Signature Edition and I don’t want to hear your opinion on what it costs

The only razer product I had a problem with was the viper mini but I think I had one of the first batches because I didn't hear anyone else have side flex and creaking

I said I think I had a bad batch.

The razer cobra shape is better than the viper minis, it's a small difference, but that hump being flattened just a tad makes a world of difference to how it feels to me 

I have my viper mini for 900 pesos. It's still with me. 5 years and counting hahaha Currently looking to replace it with VXE r1 pro or Attack Shark X3

I have it for 5 years now and the only issue I have is the mouse wheel click broke first. Ig it's preference. Today there are better options for sure. Looking to replace it with the vxe r1 pro or Attack shark x3

What mice are those you bought? I have a Viper lately and it still works for me after a year and a half, now I'm afraid it will stop working

What mice are those you bought? I have a Viper lately and it still works for me after a year and a half, now I'm afraid it will stop working

What mice are those you bought? I have a Viper lately and it still works for me after a year and a half, now I'm afraid it will stop working

Visible Ketchup and Mustard Wires killed it for me. But its my new main for this year for sure

Its really solid unlike *cough*finalmeme*cough*. Its basically a viper mini SE carbon edition

I still love my Razer Viper mini

Viper Mini was the based 1K mouse, until it got replaced by pricier Cobra

My? Viper Mini shape, perfect to Fingertip and my a bit rotated claw